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Some of the round churches of Bornholm. An island sixty miles from the coast of Sweden which can sometimes be viewed from the high ground on the north west of the island in favourable conditions.

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One of the most commonly used Gnostic-magical symbols was that of Abraxas, a designation for the Almighty. In Greek the letters of the name equates to the number 365: the number of days our world uses on its orbit around the sun. Abraxas has been shown on innumerable amulets with whip in hand, a roosters head, human torso, and serpent legs.


ABRAXAS is the Horse of God


The population of Norwegians and the Swedes have NEVER been Catholic despite what wikipedia says.

Also in Norway they have never been Russian Orthodox either and they practiced what some will call Pagan practices as late as the 17th century and in some places as late as the 18th century.

Only 3% of Norwegians go to church.

According to the most recent Eurobarometer Poll 2005

32% of Norwegian citizens responded that "they believe there is a God".
47% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force".
17% answered that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force".
4% answered that they "do not know".

The Bahai Faith is very popular in Norway

Sweden in particular was somewhat akin to German Paganism at the turn of the twentieth century.

The modern Finnish word "Ruotsi" means Sweden and refers to the Swedish people - "Ruotsalainen" -

In Sweden Christian terminology was superimposed on the earlier pagan, and so Paradise substituted Valhalla, invocations to Thor and magic charms were replaced with Saint Michael, Christ, God and the Mother of God.

Saint Michael who was the leader of the army of Heaven subsumed Odin's role as the psychopomp, and led the dead Christians to "light and paradise".

There are invocations to Saint Michael on one runestone in Uppland, one on Gotland, three on Bornholm and on one on Lolland

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In 1903-1904 a Viennese ex-Cistercian monk, Bible scholar and inventor named Jörg Lanz-Liebenfels (subsequently, Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels) published a lengthy article under the Latin title 'Anthropozoon Biblicum' (The Biblical Man-Animal) in a journal for Biblical studies edited by Moritz Altschüler, a Jewish admirer of Guido von List. The author undertook a comparative survey of ancient Near Eastern cultures, in which he detected evidence from iconography and literature which seemed to point to the continued survival, into early historical times, of hominid ape-men similar to the dwarfish Neanderthal men known from fossil remains in Europe, or the Pithecanthropus (now called Homo erectus) from Java (Lanz-Liebenfels 1903: 337-39). Furthermore, Lanz systematically analysed the Old Testament in the light of his hypothesis, identifying and interpreting coded references to the ape-men which substantiated an illicit practice of interbreeding between humans and "lower" species in antiquity.

In 1905 he expanded these researches into a fundamental statement of doctrine titled Theozoologie oder die Kunde von den Sodoms-Äfflingen und dem Götter-Elektron (Theozoology or the Science of the Sodomite-Apelings and the Divine Electron). He claimed that “Aryan” peoples originated from interstellar deities (termed Theozoa) who bred by electricity, while “lower” races were a result of interbreeding between humans and ape-men (or Anthropozoa). The effects of racial crossing caused the atrophy of paranormal powers inherited from the gods, but these could be restored by the selective breeding of pure Aryan lineages. The book relied on somewhat lurid sexual imagery, decrying the abuse of white women by ethnically inferior but sexually active men. Thus, Lanz advocated mass castration of racially “apelike” or otherwise “inferior” males (Lanz von Liebenfels, republished 2002).

In the same year, Lanz commenced publication of the journal Ostara (named after the pagan Germanic goddess of spring) to promote his vision of racial purity. On December 25, 1907 he founded the Order of the New Templars (Ordo Novi Templi, or ONT), a mystical association with its headquarters at Burg Werfenstein, a castle in Upper Austria overlooking the river Danube. Its declared aim was to harmonise science, art and religion on a basis of racial consciousness. Rituals were designed to beautify life in accordance with Aryan aesthetics, and to express the Order's theological system which Lanz called Ario-Christianity. The Order was the first to use the swastika in an "Aryan" meaning, displaying on its flag the device of a red swastika facing right, on a yellow-orange field and surrounded by four blue fleurs-de-lys above, below, to the right and to the left.

The ONT declined from the mid-1930s and was suppressed by the Gestapo in 1942. By this time it had established seven utopian communities in Austria, Germany and Hungary. Though suspending its activities in the Greater German Reich, the ONT survived in Hungary until around the end of World War II (Goodrick-Clarke 1985: 119, 122). It went underground in Vienna after 1945, but was contacted in 1958 by a former Waffen-SS lieutenant, Rudolf Mund, who became Prior of the Order in 1979 (Goodrick-Clarke 2003: 135). Mund also wrote biographies of Lanz and Wiligut.


"One shall remember that the swastika- and fascist movements basically are just side-developments of the Ostara-ideas."

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The Kensington Runestone.[/url]
found in 1898 in the largely rural township of Solem, Douglas County, Minnesota, USA.

It says:

8 göter ok 22 norrmen po ??o opdagelsefard fro vinland of vest. vi hade läger ved 2 skelar en dags rise norr fro deno sten. vi var ok fiske en dagh, äptir vi kom hem fan 10 man røde af blod og ded. AVM frälse af illu.


[side of stone]: här 10 mans ve havet at se äptir vore skip 14 dagh rise from deno öh. ahr 1362


8 Geats/Goths/Gutnish/Gotlanders and 22 Norwegians/Northmen on a discovery/seeking expedition, from Vinland west of. We had a camp with 2 shelters, one day's journey north from this stone. We were at fishing one day, after we came home found 10 men red of blood and dead. AVM (Ave Virgo Maria) rescue from evils.

[side of stone] Have 10 men by/at sea to look after our ship, 14 day journey from this island. Year 1362.


Yes you did read that year correctly.

It's not the only Runestone from the "New World"

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Coin made from ARABIC SILVER containing Runic inscription.

Found on the island of Bornholm.

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Found in Charney. Partial translation says:

"May Liano discover Idda."

Charney is close to Bourges, France. The Paris Meridian passes through the spot. Not to be confused with Geoffrey de Charney but then again?

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Great info Roscoe. Keep up the good work. You're renewing my interest in these topics. Looks like the dog and pony show disappeared, for a while at least. Funny how they always pop in at the exact same time. Cheers.


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Great info Roscoe. Keep up the good work. You're renewing my interest in these topics. Looks like the dog and pony show disappeared, for a while at least. Funny how they always pop in at the exact same time. Cheers.


Thanks Jim and good to see you here again too.

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this Viking connection and Druid Connection is interesting

Look at Chatres

The name Chartres comes from Carnutes, a Druid tribe that lived in the region. It is stated in Roman records that it was the forest of the Carnutes where all the druids of Gaul would gather once a year. Some believe that the precise location was here, deep beneath the present cathedral; that there was a cave, which symbolised the realm of the Mother Goddess

In fact, it seems that the Church at one point preferred symbolism over historical accuracy. In 1322, Pope John XXII declared that Chartres was the oldest church in all of France: “Accepted that the Benevolent Virgin, mother of God, had chosen for her venerable temple, when she lived among men, the church of Chartres…

(Now thats an expert there it was declared and so it is)

Hang on here comes the Viking Part
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the Well of the Saints-Forts, derived from the name “Locus Fortis”, “the Strong Place”. Though now underneath the cathedral, it was originally located outside of the Carolingian cathedral, i.e. today’s crypt. In this well, the bodies of two Christian victims, Saints Altin and Eodald, were cast by Norsemen during the 858 siege of Chartres. Before 1655, the well was filled in. Why is not exactly known, but it is believed that it was probably to forestall the performance of certain rituals – rituals that may be in line with the act performed by the Vikings.

The well sits just before the entrance of the subterranean chapel, which is immense – or at least much larger than one would expect – and breathes out an atmosphere that makes it unique. It is a gigantic subterranean church, cast in total darkness. It is here that we find the mysterious statue: The Lady of the Under Ground, or Notre Dame Sous Terre. This is a replica of an old Black Madonna, the original destroyed during the French Revolution. And this is where the first level of intrigue comes in: though a somewhat normal statue of the Virgin, there are old references to “a small black immemorial image”, which seems to have been pagan, rather than Christian, in both appearance and origin.

http://www.philipcoppens.com/chartres.html


the ancient megalith builders also marked the sun at the center of the solar system, some five thousand years before Coperni­cus, and to demonstrate their knowledge they left us hundreds of mounds surrounded by stones incised with spirals and stars which were deci­phered many years ago

Rollo of Normandy was the chief- the “jarl”- of the Viking population. After 911, he was the count of Rouen. His successors gained the title Duke of Normandy from Richard II. After the rise of the Capetian dynasty, they were forced to vacate the title, for there could be only one duke in Neustria, and the Robertians carried the title. These dukes increased the strength of Normandy, although they had to observe the superiority of the king of France. The dukes of Normandy did not resist the general trend of monopolizing authority over their territory: the dukes struck their own money, rendered justice, and leveled taxes. They raised their own armies and named the bulk of prelates of their archdiocese. They were therefore practically independent of the French king, although they paid homage to each new monarch.

In a long winded way these Megaliths were important that they planted churches on them and some have a relation to the stars

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Can anybody read what the runes in this serpent mean? The Scandinavians who examined it thought it was a hoax and that the symbols made no sense. Maybe they just didn't know enough about runes. If someone was going to fake a rune stone, why not use real runes hat spell something? Could have just copied another one verbatim.

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It's not the normal runes, it's these ones. You can see that star shaped one and the upside down Y shaped one. The Scandinavians probably didn't know about these ones.

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What have runes gotta do with RLC ????????????????????????????????


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As the topics "The art of secrecy" and "David Teniers, Saint Anthony & Saint Paul" and even "Rennes-le-Chateau ~ True or False" all are locked ... now how about this one that deals with runes? :wink: :wink:


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What have runes gotta do with RLC ????????????????????????????????


Well this is one reason.

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Utstein Monastery is on an Island called

RENNES ISLAND

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This appears in a book by your friend

HENRY LINCOLN.

This may explain maybe not

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Can anybody read what the runes in this serpent mean? The Scandinavians who examined it thought it was a hoax and that the symbols made no sense. Maybe they just didn't know enough about runes. If someone was going to fake a rune stone, why not use real runes hat spell something? Could have just copied another one verbatim.

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It's not the normal runes, it's these ones. You can see that star shaped one and the upside down Y shaped one. The Scandinavians probably didn't know about these ones.

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http://www.omniglot.com/writing/runic.htm


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I have been looking at runes in some depth for the past year or so. You have highlighted a problem here.

There are

Varangian Runestones

Viking Runestones

England Runestones

Greece Runestones

The thing they all have in common though is the Red Serpent.

In Gaul, the Franks, a fusion of western Germanic tribes whose leaders had been strongly aligned with Rome, entered former Roman lands gradually and peacefully during the 5th century, and were generally accepted as rulers by the Roman-Gaulish population. Fending off challenges from the Allemanni, Burgundians and Visigoths, the Frankish kingdom became the nucleus of the future states of France and Germany.

But the whole movement of people during the migration period is complex.

What I should have mentioned is that there doesn't appear to be any runes in Ireland. Stones yes; Runes No.

Then again St Patrick drove out all of the Serpents in Ireland.

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lovuian wrote:
this Viking connection and Druid Connection is interesting

Look at Chartres


I never stop.

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The name Chartres comes from Carnutes, a Druid tribe that lived in the region. It is stated in Roman records that it was the forest of the Carnutes where all the druids of Gaul would gather once a year. Some believe that the precise location was here, deep beneath the present cathedral; that there was a cave, which symbolised the realm of the Mother Goddess


Yes to all of that. What intrigues me about Chartres is that they never bury anyone there. For some reason it is still a taboo. That may be due to the suggestion that Chartres represents Porrima, the Roman Goddess of Childbirth.

An interesting side story here is that Ovid, someone who as we know was dear to our friend Mr Poussin, wrote about Porrima in Fasti. Ovid never finished Fasti as he was arrested for no apparant reason and placed in exile.

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In fact, it seems that the Church at one point preferred symbolism over historical accuracy. In 1322, Pope John XXII declared that Chartres was the oldest church in all of France: “Accepted that the Benevolent Virgin, mother of God, had chosen for her venerable temple, when she lived among men, the church of Chartres…


Well all of the so-called "Notre Dame" (Avec un labyrinthe) Cathedrals were all built (or at least started) within half a century of each other. A massive undertaking.

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the Well of the Saints-Forts, derived from the name “Locus Fortis”, “the Strong Place”. Though now underneath the cathedral, it was originally located outside of the Carolingian cathedral, i.e. today’s crypt. In this well, the bodies of two Christian victims, Saints Altin and Eodald, were cast by Norsemen during the 858 siege of Chartres. Before 1655, the well was filled in. Why is not exactly known, but it is believed that it was probably to forestall the performance of certain rituals – rituals that may be in line with the act performed by the Vikings.

The well sits just before the entrance of the subterranean chapel, which is immense – or at least much larger than one would expect – and breathes out an atmosphere that makes it unique. It is a gigantic subterranean church, cast in total darkness. It is here that we find the mysterious statue: The Lady of the Under Ground, or Notre Dame Sous Terre. This is a replica of an old Black Madonna, the original destroyed during the French Revolution. And this is where the first level of intrigue comes in: though a somewhat normal statue of the Virgin, there are old references to “a small black immemorial image”, which seems to have been pagan, rather than Christian, in both appearance and origin.


Yes well one must remember that the Christians have stolen everything. Right from Constantine onwards they have contrived Christianity as nothing more than an instrument to control the population.

The great secret is not that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene the secret is that the church and all of its institutions are a complete and utter fake.

I'm still looking into these so-called "Vibrating Stones"

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Philip Coppens is a great source, priceless even, he just takes things a little too far for my liking. But that may be just me not practicing what I preach.

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the ancient megalith builders also marked the sun at the center of the solar system, some five thousand years before Coperni­cus, and to demonstrate their knowledge they left us hundreds of mounds surrounded by stones incised with spirals and stars which were deci­phered many years ago


Of course. And the ignorant church in their effort to stamp out previous religions mostly by force, have inadvertently placed a pattern of churches on the ground.

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Rollo of Normandy was the chief- the “jarl”- of the Viking population. After 911, he was the count of Rouen. His successors gained the title Duke of Normandy from Richard II. After the rise of the Capetian dynasty, they were forced to vacate the title, for there could be only one duke in Neustria, and the Robertians carried the title. These dukes increased the strength of Normandy, although they had to observe the superiority of the king of France. The dukes of Normandy did not resist the general trend of monopolizing authority over their territory: the dukes struck their own money, rendered justice, and leveled taxes. They raised their own armies and named the bulk of prelates of their archdiocese. They were therefore practically independent of the French king, although they paid homage to each new monarch.


Yes well we have a long list of what amounts to family feuds for 1500 years in France as well as in Britain.

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In a long winded way these Megaliths were important that they planted churches on them and some have a relation to the stars


Yep!

But the Jews and the Muslims are not off the hook in this respect either.

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Red serpent-Serpent Rouge.


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Great stuff Roscoe...some interesting interlinks appearing in your line of research.

Do you think Le Serpent Rouge could ever have been an object?


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Great stuff Roscoe...some interesting interlinks appearing in your line of research.




Not my discovery.

Did you watch this

The old name for Trondheim translates as "Old Serpent knowledge"

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Do you think Le Serpent Rouge could ever have been an object?


It's in our face Sheila.

Avebury is the great serpent. Or to put it another way Avebury = Eve Bury.

Eve and her dalliance with the Serpent are well known. Tree of Knowledge etc

Not forgetting the village of La Serpent

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The Apollo/Athena extends to Mount Carmel where you'll find the
Stella Maris Lighthouse.

You'll find a statue of Stella Maris in Orval Monastery. She has a pentacle on her head.

Pythagoras spent some time on Mount Carmel.

Beltane Line

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So is this circular pattern in this field right in the centre of the Pentacle of Mountains worth investigating or what?

Not unlike this:


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At a place where three (Very straight) trackways meet.

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Why is the village called LA Serpent and not LE Serpent? Is it perhaps a corruption over time of something like "la ....... du serpent" ?


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Why is the village called LA Serpent and not LE Serpent? Is it perhaps a corruption over time of something like "la ....... du serpent" ?


That hasn't gone unnoticed here too.

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Its related to the language of the birds :D

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TODAY IS LADY DAY

The Annuciation.

Here look at these two Poussin paintings:

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Two paintings of the same subject. The left hand one painted in 1655 the right hand one painted in 1657. Both pictures are of the Annuciation.

You are reminded that the enigmatic letter written by the Abbe Fouquet to his brother the Superintendent of Finance at the court of Louis XIV was written in 1656.

In the late 1620s, Nicholas Poussin produced a number of sketches of the Annunciation, culminating in the painting on the left that still survives at Chantilly. Internal evidence suggests a 15th-century influence, and the relative positions of the figures in the painting are reminiscent of those in the Aix panel, but to read anything into this would be clutching at straws.

Much more interesting is the second version of this theme, painted in 1657. The iconography is very unusual. Mary sits cross-legged like an eastern woman, her arms open wide, while the angel makes hieratic gestures rare in 17th-century Annunciations, but more common in the 15th. J. Costello (quoted by Walter Friedlaender) is of the opinion that this painting was a design for a funeral monument to Poussin's friend and mentor Cassianio del Pozzo, an antiquarian scholar of distinction. This is a decidedly odd theme for a funeral monument, but Friedlaender offers some observations which are enlightening. Pozzo was to be buried in the Church of Sta Maria Topa Minerva, which stood on the site of an ancient sanctuary of the goddess Isis, and Friedlaender suggests that Poussin's painting combines the characteristics of three divinities - Mary, Minerva and Isis. He also observes that the posture of the female figure seems to represent the sedes sapientiae - seat of wisdom.

Poussin is known to have been a profound student of ancient myths from original sources. He often referred to Ripa's Iconologia, constantly carried Cartari's Images of the Gods with him, and embodied Neoplatonic doctrines in his paintings. (A fact not lost upon W.B. Yeats, who based the symbology of his own Neoplatonic poem, "News for the Delphic Oracle", upon the artist's Marriage of Thetis and Peleus.) Poussin's paintings contain multiple layers of meaning, often blending Pagan and Christian themes. One of the major sources of his learning was the library of Pozzo.

The Annunciation is the only late painting by Poussin that is signed and dated. It also contains a large inscription to commemorate the fact that it was painted in the reign of the Chigi Pope Alexander VII, an opponent of Cardinal Mazarin advisor to Louis XIV of France. Poussin might have been thought to have taken quite a risk when he mentioned the Pope in such a painting, but it seems that he knew exactly what he was doing.

In his reign as Pope Alexander VII put an end to Heliocentrism issue and declared the the earth was the centre of all things.

Pope Alexander VII published his Index Librorum Prohibitorum Alexandri VII Pontificis Maximi jussu editus which he prefaced with the Bull Speculatores Dominus Israel in which he explicitly attached all the previous heliocentric decrees. Although the Catholic church later allowed research into the matter of a Heliocentric solar system they have still to formerly recognise that the Earth goes around the Sun and not vice versa.

Lady Day is one human gestation period from Christmas Day hence the Annuciation. The Arch Angel Gabriel Announced that Mary was Pregnant on this day because being a Virgin how else would she know unless an angel told her :wink:

Lady Day was New Years Day right up until 1752.

The Basilica at Notre Dame de l'Epine at Châlons-en-Champagne was built on the strength of a burning bush with a statue of The Virgin in it. Like yer do. The bush burned on Lady Day and so they built a cathedral in a village; happens all the time ay? :wink: L'Epi is the french name for the star Spica and is the real reason the Christian monument was built over the top of a former place of worship. All part of their ongoing ethnic cleansing programme.

Archangel Gabriel is the star Fomalhaut (3° Pisces 52), one of the four royal stars. Fomalhaut is the "Star of Alchemy"

5000 years ago Fomalhaut marked the Winter Solstice, yet rose about 35 days before the Summer Solstice in around 1000CE.

Fomalhaut is popular with visual astronomers because to say it is spectacular is an understatement.

It is also popular with North American First Nations

March 25th is also the date of Bernadette Soudirous' 16th and longest vision of:

Our Lady of Lourdes.

On March 25, the day of the sixteenth vision, the "Lady" revealed to Bernadette, "I am the Immaculate Conception." A phrase only coined by the then Pope shortly before.

How good of "The Lady" to say this on Lady Day.

Except "The Lady" didn't say that. she said:

"Que soi er'immaculada concepcion"

Her sister and her friend were also present and stated that they saw nothing. At no point in any of her visions did Bernadette Soubirous describe "The Lady" as the Virgin Mary.

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