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(This post was made by RenaissanceMan - recent database edits had temporarily deleted his membership from the forum - Andrew Gough)

As things have been a bit slow recently I thought it might be an opportunity to share some research with everyone and maybe get some feedback.

It involves Mother Goose.



The wood-cuts are the ones that came with the first edition. Here's the second verse.



To me it seemed that the verse is saying that there is something worth guarding within (the poem) and that wisdom (the owl, symbol of wisdom) was needed to crack the clues. The trees in the wood would obscure the truth.

The poem is by Charles Perrault, whose brother Claude was a well respected architect in the mid to late 1600's. He was responsible for the east wing of the Louvre (with Louis Le Vau) and the Paris Observatory. Le Vau was reponsible for (with others) the Church of St Sulpice. - I was wondering if Roger or anyone had come across the brothers while 'rummaging through the records'.

Anyway, back to the poem. It goes on, as I'm sure we all remember, to describe an 'egg of pure gold' laid by the goose. Jack, the hero, has a bit of a mixed relationsip with the goose - there even seems to be a warning against selling the egg for profit. The last couple of verses are the strangest. The people who Jack sold the first egg to come round harassing him for more. The next egg was therefore thrown into the sea. (Thrown away? For protection??) The egg was then brought back by an "odd fish" (I took this to mean the salmon of wisdom). In other words Jack, the merchant, we, are given another chance to appreciate the true worth of the egg. Unfortunately the merchant returns, this time threatening to kill the goose if he does not get an egg. Mother Goose then takes control and removes the egg for good.

The poem actually says that the egg was taken "up to the moon". I took this to mean something similar to the Isis connection in Le Serpent Rouge. ie Mother Goddess / aspect thereof. In fact I see a lot of similarities between this poem and Le Serpent Rouge. Has it ever been suggested that LSR may have been the work of Perrault? And I do realise that this would then mean that Sauniere modified his church to fit the poem and not the poem written to fit the church! Then it would follow that Sauniere used Le Serpent Rouge to find the (treasure). Are we sure that Le Serpent Rouge is a genuine hoax??

I was led to look at the Mother Goose poem after following a trail of clues from another area. From here I went to Le Serpent Rouge and looked at it in conjunction with Boudet's LVLC. The birds can talk! But I don't think they talk in French - or in France.

I think that is quite enough. It's very late and those nursery rhymes are calling.

RenaissanceMan,

There are many fascinating literary connections to this story - if one is willing to dig. Your approach is one that certainly has merit. Have you considered works by authors such as Huysman and Anatole France as well? Revolt of the Angels is particularly illuminating.

Best,

A. Nesos

Sleeping Beauty by Charles Perrault is from Contes de ma Mère l'Oye ("Tales of Mother Goose").

In Le Serpent Rouge it says

Grâce à lui, désormais à pas mesurés et d'un oeil sur, je
puis decouvrir les soixante-quatre pierres dispersées du cube parfait
que les Frères de la BELLE du bois noir échappant à la poursuite des
usurpateurs, avaient semées en route quant ils s'enfuirent du Fort
blanc.

Well the correct title of Sleeping beauty is La Belle au Bois dormant (The Beauty asleep in the wood)

I think Le Serpent Rouge is partly telling us how to decode the Shepherdess parchment.

Remember Le Serpent Rouge also says this

Avant de lire les lignes qui suivent,
Au lecteur de daigner se souvenir qu'


" ...après un long sommeil, les mêmes hypothèses
ressucistent, sans doute nous reviennent-elles
avec des vêtements neufs et plus riches , mais
le fond reste le même et le masque nouveau
dont elles s'affublent ne saurait tromper
l'homme de science..."

Abbé Th. MOREUX
Directeur de l'Observatoire
de Bourges, page 10, de livre L'ALCHIMIE MODERNE.

In other words

Le Serpent Rouge may be new but it speaks of ideas from the past.


The Bourges Observatory is on the Paris Meridian.

Italian Mother Goose (mammaoca) is here:
http://www.renneslechateau.it/public/mammaoca/

Yes, it seems the clues are hidden everywhere.
Sleeping Beauty is interesting. Without temptation = asleep.
The kiss that woke the princess was a result of true love.

The 'golden egg' in Mother Goose was a result of true love which is what the hero Jack then went to find for himself. He thought he had, but she turned out to be "Sweet Columbine", a poisonous flower. At the same time he lost the egg due to his relationship with the merchant.
I thought this is telling us that our motives should be pure - those who just want the money will never find it.

In other words the true treasure is a spiritual treasure - simiar to the Grail.

It could also mean that the poem is simply a reflection on life. Happiness is not found in money, love is not lust etc. Except that I came to it from here:

Pendle Zodiac - Virgo (girl with a hare/cat-like animal)


Pendle Zodiac - Cancer (huntress) Capricorn (goat) Libra (dove)

Looked at again, the scene above has someone directing it:

This was not noticed by Robert Lord who first found this terrestrial zodiac. It changes the whole meaning of the zodiac and leads to many strange conclusions.
I realised that there should be a tableau for the crone in the zodiac but it was not there. I looked outside the zodiac and around 120 miles away found this:
compare it with
The crone is now in charge of the dove, which has been transformed into the goose. The crone is 44 miles high and the goose (dove) is 33 miles across. These are of course very significant numbers and could be interpreted to mean that the spiritual aspect of man has been overtaken by the material. Very apt for the modern world!

In fact many might say that the time for the Grail to be found has come. Could this mean that we are closer to finding its true meaning than we think?

There are many coincidences in the landscape figure above. The town plan of Peterborough forms a perfect skull, the town of St Neots coincides with the rider's knee. And more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmy2bdBe_gQ It would remain just an interesting coincidence if it was not for how it was found but above all, for where it led.

I can understand the principles of linking parts of the Sleeping Beauty and Mother Goose tales to Le Serpent Rouge and RLC. However do I take it from the YouTube link that you are suggesting that the road structure near Cambridge has been instigated by some higher intelligence to give the shape of a goose with a rider. Do forgive me if I have misunderstood but my gut reaction is that if I take this for granted I may need to see a quack .
Regards
Nic

Is it me or is there also a man on the left? Excuse my poor artistic skills.



Nic

Looks like Homer Simpson!

Yes you're right its definitely Homer!

But I bet no matter how many Duffs he had the night before, he never woke up with a head like this:

Definitely a sign for our times then!

No I'm not a nutter. Just following a trail of clues. Its surprising where a trail of clues can lead. And unlike most, I don't think a clue is a clue until it has actually led somewhere!

Higher intelligence? No, I'm not saying that.
Maybe its just how things work.
But its impossible to come to any conclusions on just the viewing of just one thing. You have to see more.

Oh dear...this is sad.

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Fair enough ! Please pardon my sarcasm with the "Homer Simpson" man, I just can't resist a "cheap" gag. I will however check out your website as there may be elements to your research that directly connect to RLC etc. Have you looked into Bugarach and Cardou?
Regards
Nic

Echoes of Katherine Maltwood



Caer Sidi

All the Hosts of Heaven

The most used phrase in the bible.

This is the translated phrase, however the correct direct translation from Hebrew is

The army bivouac in the rotating heavens above.


[url=http://www.cephasministry.com/islam_roots_of_islam.html]' The Lord predicts that the bones of kings and princes of Judah will not be buried, but spread 'before the sun, and the moon, and all the hosts of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and whom they have worshipped.'"

(Jer. 8:2 Koran)[/url]

HUYSMANS, FRANCE, of course, but also Jules VERNE, Maurice LEBLANC, Georgette LEBLANC, Honore de BALZAC, Edgar POE, Yves Bonnefoy, Charles PEGUY, George SAND, Gerard de NERVAL, and many more. And La Belle Endormie of PERRAULT is replete with symbolisme for those with the eyes to see! By the way, Le Serpent Rouge was written in the early 20th century, not in 1967, as so many are led to believe.

"Le Serpent Rouge" is vintage Plantard/De Cherisey material, and French researcher Franck Marie during the 1970s demonstrated that the text had been written on Plantard's typewriter. The church of St Sulpice was vitally important to the growing Priory of Sion mythology devised by Pierre Plantard and Philippe de Cherisey and "Le Serpent Rouge" became an important part of their spin and propaganda relating to this - it is mainly thanks to Plantard and De Cherisey that people mistakenly think that the old Paris Zero Meridian passes through the church of St Sulpice, which it does not - they both mistakenly conflated the Meridian with the line used in St Sulpice to demonstrate the timing of Easter. Plantard and de Cherisey had made this same mistake in other documents prior to the appearance of "Le Serpent Rouge".

"As I did walk by Hampstead Fair,
I came across Mother Goose - so I turned her loose -
She was screaming.
And a foreign student said to me -
Was it really true there are elephants and lions too
In Piccadilly Circus ? "

Ian Anderson - "Mother Goose"


"Oh, Mother Goose,
She's on the skids,
Sure aint happy,
Neither are the kids.
She needs someone
That she can scream at,
And I'm such a heel
For making her feel so bad."

Neil Young - "Ambulance Blues"

Irmine is not talking about who typed the 1967 version at all. The ORIGINAL COMPOSITION dates back to the early 20c. (We have the exact year somewhere - but pre 1919). In 1967 the manuscript 'poem' was typed by Philippe de Cherisey, and the other material was added at this time - most of it from Angelique Lenoir's archives, but not all.

How easy it is to be misunderstood!

VeryAngryMother sympathises - we are often misunderstood!

Now please produce the source for that claim.
Let's hope you are able to do that.

I don't like your tone, M Norton, and will not comply with impolite demands. All I'll say at this point (am I being too generous?) is read Le Cercle. If you've already done this, read it more closely. If you don't know French, get someone to translate it for you! (from James, for Irmine)

This is another document originating from Plantard.

If you're really James posting under Irmine's account, you suffer from the same tendency to make statements as if they are fact but don't bother to include the documentation establishing them as fact. Very unprofessional and quite irritating after about the 100th time. Sure, it's nice to have any information at all but it doesn't do anyone any good if it can't be verified as true. Any of us could make any wild allegation like that. Saying "read le Cercle" doesn't help much. What does a foreign policy think-tank specialising in international security have to do with anything?

And Plantard has been regarded as a scalliwag and a reprobate in France since the mid 1980s.

Point being? Does being a scalliwag indicate that you wrote le Serpent Rouge? Probably about 40% of Frenchmen are scalliwags and a few may even be scurvies.

All of the ingredients contained in "Le Serpent Rouge" shows that it is a document produced by Plantard and de Cherisey since it follows on with content found in earlier documents that were produced by the duo.

References to Merovingians, the Paris Zero Meridian, surreal poetry, the church of St Sulpice - all prime Priory of Sion mythology development.

This has been pointed out numerous times in several French books authored by Franck Marie, Pierre Jarnac, Jean-Jacques Bedu and others...