The Rise

Andrew Gough · **Joined:** 17 Sep 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 874

Thanks Roger.

I just wanted to say that I had the opportunity to read an early version of 'The Rise' some time ago - and must say that it is a fantastic read. Very fresh and interesting material. I will be curious to hear what you think.

Well done to 'The Rise' team, and best of luck with the book.

Andrew

Sheila · **Posted:** 04 Sep 2008 7:36 am

Absolutely in agreement.

...As Roger says.................... "I get the distinct impression that the vast majority of people don't know the history involved here. "

Speaking for myself and a few others on this Forum.....

We want to know.... We want to read..... We want to Learn!....We want to by-pass all the rubbish and jokes that are posted on these pages so that we can have in-depth conversations.

"Once the book is circulated, perhaps there will be some discussion of the large amounts of information it provides."

Yes!

Someone has suggested a User Group for like minded people...is that a possibility? Can we have several?...............Andy are you still there?

Sheila

Sheila · **Posted:** 04 Sep 2008 7:38 am

It's still not available on Amazon....Where and when can we buy it?

Sheila · **Posted:** 05 Sep 2008 1:14 pm

Thank you Roger,

It is available from America, but neither the UK or French Amazon have it in stock yet...only available on pre-order..which I commanded weeks ago.

Goes against the grain but I'll try from them.

Sheila · **Posted:** 05 Sep 2008 1:18 pm

Hi again,

No.....it's not available for another month yet...and in that case I'll wait for amazon.fr.

Unless.....you don't happen to have a copy in any state or condition do you?

Thanks. Sheila

BillKersey · **Posted:** 10 Sep 2008 9:52 am

isaac ben jacob · **Joined:** 02 Sep 2008 4:28 pm **Posts:** 51

Hello!

http://www.world-mysteries.com/newgw/gw_therise_1.htm

On World Mysteries! :!:

Sheila · **Posted:** 11 Sep 2008 9:20 pm

Well done guys....excellent stuff.

John Harper · **Joined:** 28 May 2007 8:46 pm **Posts:** 841

Isaac

Thanks for that, I hope you stay around to debate the significance of your work once we've read it.

John

rs2008 · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2008 12:36 am

I hope the hard edition spells "practised" correctly.

Sheila · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2008 10:10 am

Isaiah 26:19: “Oh, let Your dead revive! Let corpses arise! Awake and shout for joy, You who dwell in the dust!—For Your dew is like the dew on fresh growth; You make the land of the shades come to life.”

Sheila · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2008 12:22 pm

Herodotus records that the Babylonians buried their dead in honey and
Alexander the Great was buried/preserved in honey & wax.

isaac ben jacob · **Joined:** 02 Sep 2008 4:28 pm **Posts:** 51

Hello all! :!:

I am going to answer some of your questions here:
Yes, I know that my English is far from perfect in this ad for my book “The Rise”. However, it has been corrected in the final version, and therefore, in the paper edition of the book.

Concerning the extracts presented in this web page: :arrow:

These extracts are located at the beginning of the book. I chose these because I wanted to keep the main parts of the book unspoiled for the readers (the ones who intend to buy the paper edition of the book).

This book is divided into three parts: :idea:

- The first part of “The Rise” speaks of Rennes-le-Château’s local history, lays the plot foundations, and puts Bérenger Saunière into the real context of his time. What I think will most entertain the reader, is the fact that even this supposedly “basic”, “rehash” part of the book contains elements about the Rennes-le-Château mystery that were never revealed publicly before. This means that the very “minimum”, basic elements necessary to comprehend this case were either not fully known, or were never written in any book other than this one. The extracts presented here stem from this area.

- The second part of “The Rise” consists of a very technical and interesting report about the creation of the real Priory of Sion (i.e. the order of the Penitents), about the secret religious and political networks dwelling in Europe, and about “the great secret of the Catholic Church”. No, this secret has nothing to do with the “tomb of Christ”, but rather with the Catholic Church’s secret history, i.e. the history of a church that has been devoured from within by a cult, a sect who replaced Christianity with Babylonian rites. I consider this particular part of the book as the most interesting one, because its style and substance are very scientific, and all people can relate to it, even people who are not interested in the Rennes-le-Château mystery at all.

- The third part of the “The Rise” is truly extraordinary for those who are interested in Bérenger Saunière. It is bound to trigger uproar, since it features documents that have never been shown publicly, documents establishing proof of the presence of a Cult of the Dead in Rennes-le-Château and within the Hautpoul family. This part of the book describes what the real life of Bérenger Saunière was like, and provides extracts from letters and archives that explain exactly how Bérenger earned his money.

:wink:

richard.webster · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2008 2:15 pm

Thanks for the preview, Isaac. All three strands you've outlined above sound absolutely fascinating. I can't wait to read it.

Roll on 8th October!

jakeabf · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2008 7:59 pm

jakeabf · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2008 10:12 pm

isaac ben jacob · **Joined:** 02 Sep 2008 4:28 pm **Posts:** 51

Hi Jake,

I am responding to your message just before I leave. (I will be off until September 23rd.)

Just before I talk about my book, I have to say that when I read your message, I saw a little bit of confusion about some historic / religious notions.

It is absolutely normal, because the history of the Middle-Ages in Europe is very badly documented. There are only precious few serious books and studies about it, and a LOT of university professors usually make mistakes about it, because they don't check their sources enough.

It is difficult for me to tell you about my book "The Rise" if I don't give you the proper definitions of what is a "penitent", a Crusader, the Crusades, the Inquisition, the German Empire, the Cathari, the Investiture Controversy, simony, cult of the dead, Mendicant Orders, etc, etc.

I don't say this to belittle your own knowledge, but to show you that if you don't know the sect of the Penitents well, you also don't seem to know what a Cathar is.

What I mean, roughly, is that all these things, and more, are well explained in my book, in a chronological order.

And I would find it hard to explain all this on the forum, because not only would it mean putting the whole book on the forum, but also telling the most part of Europe's history.

That being said, you will find some food for thought below:

You seem to believe that the sect of the Penitents is only a tiny, local sect.
Nothing could be further from the truth. It is actually a gigantic European sect, which originated many centuries ago in Chaldea, and later established itself in Bulgaria, before coming to Europe.
This sect HAS founded empires and destroyed kingdoms.
I advise you to read Voltaire's writings, since they are quite revealing in this regard.

As regards the Cathari, you will likely be very surprised by my book, yet I prefer not to delve into this matter since it could lead us in too long a debate for this forum.

Don't forget that the real sources of documentation about the Cathars are manuscripts that were preserved in the North of Italy, and not at all in France. This is a key point.

See you on September 23rd.

Isaac.

isaac ben jacob · **Joined:** 02 Sep 2008 4:28 pm **Posts:** 51

Just setting things straight for Jake here:

It is NOT a good idea to get caught in the "conspiracy theory" concept.

"The Rise" is a scientific book, therefore, it has no need for any kind of conspiracy or "plot" to exist.

Roger and I are two different people. Roger is a friend of mine, who helped me a great deal with the translation process of this book.
He also is an adviser for me, because he is very clever, and thinks well and fast.

You seem to think that my book "The Rise" looks like the Da Vinci Code, but it actually is the very opposite of a Dan Brown-like novel.

And my publisher is not Random House.

I don't know why you sound worried about the release of my book.

That was the last message before I come back on September 23rd.

jakeabf · **Posted:** 13 Sep 2008 11:50 pm

jakeabf · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2008 9:26 pm

jakeabf · **Posted:** 15 Sep 2008 11:20 pm

Here's a few links to what Ike alludes to...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Hislop

http://www.frankcaw.com/Mystery-Babylon-Woman.html

http://www.fit4heaven.com/files/EN1%20B ... eriessm.pd

http://www.ellisskolfield.com/downloadable-books.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whore_of_Babylon

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/column ... bylon%20-0

this is what Roger brought up, but why?

http://french-word-a-day.typepad.com/mo ... llard.html

and his beloved grimoire...
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-AtMAGr ... e_i_ching/

but how any of these tie in with the RLC enigma I leave that up to Roger.

jakeabf · **Posted:** 16 Sep 2008 10:26 pm

johnsawyer · **Posted:** 16 Sep 2008 10:55 pm

I can't access the web site Isaac links to:

http://www.world-mysteries.com/newgw/gw_therise_1.htm

My browser states that the server is not responding.

Sheila · **Posted:** 17 Sep 2008 12:40 pm

Early Christian stories of the descent of Christ into hell are virtually unanimous in noting the joy felt by the righteous dead when they learned of Jesus' baptism. Of this, J. Rendel Harris wrote, "In the earliest times, the Baptism of Christ was the occasion of His triumph over Hades."Harris saw Ode of Solomon 24 as connecting baptism (note the mention of the dove over Jesus' head) with anointing and the deliverance of the dead (i.e., resurrection). In Ode of Solomon 6:8–18, too, we have a stream that brings water to the temple and brings back from the dead those who are dying. Ode of Solomon 42:15–17 depicts the dead running to Christ to plead that he open the door and free them.

The baptism of the souls of the dead or of their resurrected bodies is a frequent theme in the stories of Christ's descent into the spirit world. The Epistle of the Apostles, known from a complete Ethiopic version, a fragmentary fifth-century Latin manuscript (now in Vienna) and a fourth- or fifth-century mutilated Coptic manuscript in Cairo, is an example. It places the following words in the mouth of Jesus as he visits with his apostles after the resurrection:

"For to that end went I down unto the place of Lazarus, and preached unto the righteous and the prophets, that they might come out of the rest which is below and come up into that which is above; and I poured out upon them with my right hand the water [baptism, Ethiopic text] of life and forgiveness and salvation from all evil, as I have done unto you and unto them that believe on me."

In the Ethiopic document known as the Testament of Our Lord and Our Savior Jesus Christ 38–39, Jesus tells his apostles, "For this reason I descended and conversed with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, with your fathers the prophets, and I announced to them, in Sheol, the rest in the heavens where they shall come. With my right hand, I gave them the baptism of life, pardon and remission of all sin, as I did for you, and (as I shall do) hereafter for those who shall believe in me."
He then tells them that he who believes "shall come out of the prison and will be delivered from chains, from punishment and from the fire," to which the apostles respond, "O Lord, you have truly given us joy and rest, for because of their faith and their confidence, you have announced to our fathers and to the prophets; also for us and for all (who believe in you)."

The fifth-century Acts of Pilate has a later appendage (Part II, The Descent into Hell) that probably predates the first sections. It tells how, when Christ descended into hell, he removed therefrom the spirits of the righteous and of the repentant. The latter were then baptized in the Jordan River (see Acts of Pilate 4:2; 6).
A Mandaean text has Adam, apparently after his death, ascending "to the House of Life; they (the uthras [angels]) washed him in the [heavenly] Jordan and protected him. They washed him and protected him in the Jordan; they placed their right hand on him. They baptized him with their baptism."

Sheila · **Posted:** 17 Sep 2008 1:37 pm

So...What's that in a nutshell?

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