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Tertius · **Joined:** 12 Sep 2011 11:17 pm **Posts:** 412

Sauniere n'a jamais eu de compte a cette banque. Il a tout simplement recu de la correspondence a propos de leurs services pour etrangers desirant jouer sur la loterie locale. Il recevait de la literature sur ce genre de services de la part d:aitres banques Europeennes aussi.

L'explication purement politique d'agent de paiements n'est pas retenable pour plusieures raisons tres simples qui devraient vous etre evidentes.

Eginolf · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 5:36 am

Tertius wrote:

Sauniere n'a jamais eu de compte a cette banque. Il a tout simplement recu de la correspondence a propos de leurs services pour etrangers desirant jouer sur la loterie locale. Il recevait de la literature sur ce genre de services de la part d:aitres banques Europeennes aussi.

AFAIK, there was just a single empty envelope (from the bank in Budapest) found within his belongings. That's all. No hint for an account.

Eginolf · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 5:40 am

TCP wrote:

And, some years later - 1930 or thereabouts - agents of either a foreign government or a foreign entity came looking for it, as noted in police reports of that time.

In 1920 there came some guys from Spain who wanted to know about Sauniere's riches and found out that he was traficking in gold. Are you talking about those people?

TCP · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 5:43 am

bergeredearcadie wrote:

I don`t think I would call Claires interview "testimony" exactly.

Another witness:

Interview with Chantel BUTHION, daughter of Henri Buthion:

<...>

Henri is also convinced that Sauniere found treasure of a sacred nature: something infinitely more valuable than gold or jewels, and that in order to capitalise on its unique religious worth he did a deal - or deals - with either the vatican or the Habsburgs. Henri thinks that this explains what he describes as the frequent visits of Johann (Jean) of Habsburg to Rennes-le Chateau[/i]"

Would Henri have offered an explanation as to why Johann Salvator, who had little love for the pomp and trappings of either the church or the Imperial Court, who dropped his surname and titles in 1889, and was last seen in Montevideo, Uruguay in February of 1890, would have taken an interest?

TCP

TCP · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 5:45 am

Eginolf wrote:

Tertius wrote:

Sauniere n'a jamais eu de compte a cette banque. Il a tout simplement recu de la correspondence a propos de leurs services pour etrangers desirant jouer sur la loterie locale. Il recevait de la literature sur ce genre de services de la part d:aitres banques Europeennes aussi.

AFAIK, there was just a single empty envelope (from the bank in Budapest) found within his belongings. That's all. No hint for an account.

What do you think he might have been doing with it?

TCP

TCP · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 5:57 am

Eginolf wrote:

TCP wrote:

And, some years later - 1930 or thereabouts - agents of either a foreign government or a foreign entity came looking for it, as noted in police reports of that time.

In 1920 there came some guys from Spain who wanted to know about Sauniere's riches and found out that he was traficking in gold. Are you talking about those people?

No, must have been different people. They were thought to be agents of the Spanish government who came to RLC looking for a "source" of funds, presumably funds finding their way clandestinely from France to Spain. And they came in 1930.

TCP

rain · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 7:27 am

Thomas D. wrote:

Even a brief scan of these posts above show just how a'mystery' can be sustained.
The word 'imagine' appears regularly with people wanting to see connections.
If the 'tunnel' is an example of local oral history then how reliable is the rest? Did the bible class story even happen?

No smoke without fire or wishful thinking?

There are official engineering reports on the ventilation shafts from the mines.

Thomas D. · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 8:12 am

Tertius wrote:

Sauniere n'a jamais eu de compte a cette banque. Il a tout simplement recu de la correspondence a propos de leurs services pour etrangers desirant jouer sur la loterie locale. Il recevait de la literature sur ce genre de services de la part d:aitres banques Europeennes aussi.

L'explication purement politique d'agent de paiements n'est pas retenable pour plusieures raisons tres simples qui devraient vous etre evidentes.

That seems a fairly definitive statement 'Tertius'.
Is it based on your own research examining the Banks files?

TD

Thomas D. · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 8:29 am

rain wrote:

Thomas D. wrote:

Even a brief scan of these posts above show just how a'mystery' can be sustained.
The word 'imagine' appears regularly with people wanting to see connections.
If the 'tunnel' is an example of local oral history then how reliable is the rest? Did the bible class story even happen?

No smoke without fire or wishful thinking?

There are official engineering reports on the ventilation shafts from the mines.

Are you suggesting that these shafts are the source of the alleged tunnel from Esperaza to RLC?

TD

Davinho · **Joined:** 26 Jan 2010 10:58 am **Posts:** 1806

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So you are in the same boat as the rest of us, and havent a clue

mmmmm

Davinho wrote:

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I'll tell you what I think for all that's worth....I do not have a clue.

Thomas D. · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 10:28 am

Eginolf wrote:

Tertius wrote:

Sauniere n'a jamais eu de compte a cette banque. Il a tout simplement recu de la correspondence a propos de leurs services pour etrangers desirant jouer sur la loterie locale. Il recevait de la literature sur ce genre de services de la part d:aitres banques Europeennes aussi.

AFAIK, there was just a single empty envelope (from the bank in Budapest) found within his belongings. That's all. No hint for an account.

In his book on RLC Jean-luc Robin says that during his time as guardian of Sauniere's archives he discovered
" A pile of little brown prepaid envelopes addressed to the Fritz Dorge Bank in Budapest" (p69)

TD

Sheila · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 10:48 am

i see you guys still have a lot of basics to catch up on...get translating.

http://reinedumidi.com/rlc/loto.htm

TCP · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 3:23 pm

Sheila wrote:

i see you guys still have a lot of basics to catch up on...get translating.

http://reinedumidi.com/rlc/loto.htm

Wouldn't it be something if the answer to the entire mystery of Saunière's wealth lay in a lottery win? What would we all do with ourselves in the future?

TCP

Sheila · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 3:36 pm

ah but, the mystery is not just Saunière's wealth...that is just a very small piece of the whole.

TCP · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 6:22 pm

Sheila wrote:

ah but, the mystery is not just Saunière's wealth...that is just a very small piece of the whole.

Not such a small piece in my estimation, but then again my interests are limited to tangibles.

The lottery could explain Saunière's stash of pre-addressed envelopes, although I note that there's no mention here of entry blanks being found as well. Still, it does seem the simplest and most logical explanation. Looking at the lots paid it looks as though the bulk of the winners netted 200kr, or 210ff. One would have to win a lot of those to acquire the millions he was said to have had. Even the top prize would only be a start.

On the other hand, I suppose (just thinking out loud here, not trying to be cryptic in case anyone is suspicious) that playing the lottery could be seen as a convenient cover for communication with the bank for other purposes. If these envelopes were a familiar fixture on French postal routes then the inspectors wouldn't give them a second thought.

TCP

Eginolf · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 6:38 pm

TCP wrote:

Wouldn't it be something if the answer to the entire mystery of Saunière's wealth lay in a lottery win?

In this case Marie Denarnaud would have told it the Corbu family. No use to keep silent then. But she did. Because she had to cover up something. Like something criminal or such.

Eginolf · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 6:42 pm

TCP wrote:

.............. Saunière's stash of pre-addressed envelopes, although I note that there's no mention here of entry blanks being found as well.

I repeat: AFAIK, there was just one single envelope found bearing the adress of the bank. That "stash of envelopes" has to be proven. I doubt it.

TCP · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 8:35 pm

Eginolf wrote:

TCP wrote:

.............. Saunière's stash of pre-addressed envelopes, although I note that there's no mention here of entry blanks being found as well.

I repeat: AFAIK, there was just one single envelope found bearing the adress of the bank. That "stash of envelopes" has to be proven. I doubt it.

Well, according to Christian Attard it was more than one. I guess you'd have to take the matter up with him.

TCP

TCP · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 8:37 pm

Eginolf wrote:

TCP wrote:

Wouldn't it be something if the answer to the entire mystery of Saunière's wealth lay in a lottery win?

In this case Marie Denarnaud would have told it the Corbu family. No use to keep silent then. But she did. Because she had to cover up something. Like something criminal or such.

That's my contention as well.

TCP

Pilrig · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 8:49 pm

Tertius wrote:

Sauniere n'a jamais eu de compte a cette banque. Il a tout simplement recu de la correspondence a propos de leurs services pour etrangers desirant jouer sur la loterie locale. Il recevait de la literature sur ce genre de services de la part d:aitres banques Europeennes aussi.

L'explication purement politique d'agent de paiements n'est pas retenable pour plusieures raisons tres simples qui devraient vous etre evidentes.

(groan)

Pilrig · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 8:54 pm

TCP wrote:

Sheila wrote:

i see you guys still have a lot of basics to catch up on...get translating.

http://reinedumidi.com/rlc/loto.htm

Wouldn't it be something if the answer to the entire mystery of Saunière's wealth lay in a lottery win? What would we all do with ourselves in the future?

TCP

Wonder as to how he knew what numbers to tick.....

bergeredearcadie · **Joined:** 07 Nov 2006 11:57 pm **Posts:** 3856

playing the lottery could be seen as a convenient cover for communication with the bank for other purposes

I have to confess - this thought crossed my mind too.

Pilrig · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 9:54 pm

richard.webster wrote:

bergeredearcadie wrote:

Interview with Chantel BUTHION, daughter of Henri Buthion:

"Chantal Buthion: (Sauniere was) intelligent, cultured, charming, this man had charisma, ambition, money and the pleasures of life. In short, for me, he had nothing of the makings of a priest. I think -and I am not alone, that he was appointed priest of Rennes-Le-Chateau to be one day in places to find the treasure. Indeed, he was a native of Espéraza and been aware of the mystery of Rennes-Le-Chateau. Villagers told me, 'Bérenger Saunière and a friend, burrowed a tunnel, which led them from Espéraza to RLC,- are these statements true? There is no smoke without fire! What is certain is that Beranger Saunière had been, since childhood, also attracted by this riddle...."

That would be a very long, very steep tunnel! But it's another interesting piece of oral history, albeit relating second-hand information

http://www.benhammott.com/crystal-cave.html

Thomas D. · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2012 10:08 pm

Eginolf wrote:

TCP wrote:

.............. Saunière's stash of pre-addressed envelopes, although I note that there's no mention here of entry blanks being found as well.

I repeat: AFAIK, there was just one single envelope found bearing the adress of the bank. That "stash of envelopes" has to be proven. I doubt it.

Well mein Herr, what is your opinion based on?
J-L Robin had his hands on Saunieres archives.
You?
Kind regards,
TD

hotspur · **Joined:** 19 Feb 2011 12:02 pm **Posts:** 1451

TCP wrote:

Eginolf wrote:

TCP wrote:

Wouldn't it be something if the answer to the entire mystery of Saunière's wealth lay in a lottery win?

In this case Marie Denarnaud would have told it the Corbu family. No use to keep silent then. But she did. Because she had to cover up something. Like something criminal or such.

That's my contention as well.

TCP

Is there any actual evidence of criminal activity on the part of Sauniere?

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