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hmmmmm

I'm certain he is in the room as much as "us" are.

Gérard de Sède


Well, how good a source is De Sede?

After all he wasnt at the meal where it was said - so where did he get it from? This anecdote?

Or is it likely that he got it from Plantard?

How much credit do we put by what Plantard said? After all, neither was Plantard at the meal.

In other words we have no idea whether Sauniere actually said this.

And if we dont know whether he actaully said it, how can we ascribe it a meaning that correlates with a theory of a researchers some 100 years later?

It would be better if Sauniere had written it in his notebooks somewhere ......much better proof then ....

....it's a throw away line from a supposed conversation between two priests of neighbouring parishes...whether the words are true or not or whether the conversation actually took place is up to the researchers to find out....

What is important is that, if people are going to make hay out of it and continue quoting it right, left and centre, than at least they should make an effort in getting the translation right.
My main interest lies in the beauty of the ancient words...what people want to make of it, is entirely up to the individual.

Personally, i think the conversation between the two Priests took place...why not, it was a simple enough reply to a straightforward question. What i find interesting is why de Sède and/or his controllers miss-translated the Catalan dialect. If i can translate it then surely the authors could have...it's not rocket science to figure out that the patois being used is Catalan rather than Occitan....

and i think researchers should be looking into who "they" could be, rather than regurgitating the same old rubbish over and over again....what did "they" give to him, or better still.....what did he take or steal from "them" !

....it's a throw away line from a supposed conversation between two priests of neighbouring parishes...whether the words are true or not or whether the conversation actually took place is up to the researchers to find out....


Off you go then Sheila - you are a researcher, you find out if it really took place - and then all the supposition made on the back of it will have more substance - regardless of who translates what

Well heck sorry having computer problems
The Black Sun in Mesoamerican mythology has many mystical meanings, among them it is connected to the god Quetzalcoatl and his penetration in the Underworld through the west door after his diurnal passage on the sky. For the Mexicas there were two suns, the young Day sun and the ancient sun, the Dark sun. Some scholars regard the mythological Black sun as the ancient female origin of all, it is both tomb and womb. This way, it is the oneness that uniformly integrates unawareness, death, and yet an expectation of fecundity.

he Aztecs associated the passage of the Black sun, on its nightly journey through the underworld with the image of a butterfly

the butterfly is used by the church also
found this in America


The butterfly, in turn, it is an archetypical symbol of the transcendent soul, transformation and mystical rebirth,
whereas also seen in the figure of the frightening earth goddess Itzpapalotl, the "Obsidian Butterfly", that devoured people during the solar eclipses

he connection with nocturnal elements also it is ascribed to the god Tezcatlipoca, son of the primordial god Ometeotl who was a god of dualities such as light and darkness
At archeological scenes, the Plumed Serpent shows a man with a black sun within a yellow sun. In this manner the spinning of the sun and black sun shows a wheel crossing with a obfuscatory motion where four black rays move out of four yellow rays
According to some authors, these sets of four rays relate to the four cardinal points and the four quarters, they represent the governance held by the gods of human race since its infancy, as well as the annual rotation of the heavens, and the universal rulership portrayed in the great dance called "Mitotiliztli", which reproduces the appearance of a wheel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_%28mythology%29

this researcher has already done so, thanks.

I can see a theory that the grail was brought to the New World
and Nova Scotia makes perfect sense with its location

'scuse me a moment...what "Grail", what are you on about ?

Oh well as much as I would like to discuss it Sheila the topic is on Maguelonne

by I can tell you it may have to do
The Language of the Birds

Yes but you're talking crap. This is the only forum anywhere where this Crista drivel is mentioned at all and that is entirely due to a clutch of OCD victims who seem to have congregated here.

OK now we know what YOU THINK IT ISN'T now you tell us all WHAT YOU THINK IT IS.

Tell us why the Countess of Chambord should give money to

Louis De Coma

Antoine Gelis

Henry Boudet

All these Priests not only had more money than they should have had but they had more money than the Countess of Chambord.

Boudet gave 7,000,000 francs to the renovation of the Abbey of Prouille. To put that into perspective the Eiffel Tower cost 8,000,000 francs to build.

So what artifact did Boudet find?

OK the dispute is over the word 'IT'

Let's discuss who 'THEY' are?

As an aside let's discuss precisely how Saunière turned 'IT' into the church renovation, the Villa Bethania (plus paintings, furniture etc), the Tour Magdala, the Belvedere, a water supply for the village, a road to the village, his phenomenal wine & exotic food bill and the entire daily bread supply for the entire village for more than ten years.

How did 'IT' become these things which HE HELD ONTO despite the efforts of his Church?

And who are 'THEY' that provided 'IT'?

this researcher has already done so, thanks.


So how did you verify a conversation that took place at a dinner party 100 years ago?

did i reply in the affirmative?
I double checked the book in question and read from the bottom of page 65 and decided (like i did originally) that the conversation between Saunière and his friend Beaux was neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things.

7million is a considerable sum today let alone over 100 yrs ago!

Is that sum reliable and from a primary source Roscoe?

Thats what we need, verifiable facts, just remind us all where we can fi nd it please?

Many thanks,
TD

You know the Language of the Birds has something to do with the topic
now that I mentioned it

On the coast of the Segobriges, Euxenes laid the foundations of Marseilleand made this flourishing city in summoning the Levant trade, but it is very probable that the Neimheid did not abandon the task of naming the city, since all words in in the composition of Massilia, is purely Celtic. Massil inadmirable brevity of this term, is a port that receives an infinite number of large vessels that put the band for refit -
mass
A cluster -
to

heel
(
hil
) To a vessel inthe band for the refit, -
high
(
hai
), Large

pg 177

THE TRUE

CELTIC LANGUAGE
AND
The Cromleck of Rennes-les-Bains
BY
the Abbé h. BOUDET

PRIEST OF REINDEER-LES-BATHROOM (AUDE)

I think Abbe Boudet was quite a brilliant man
the book is about the Bible about the evolution and migration of mankind and of bloodlines and about the giants
how one language can be found throughout man kind

The living language, to which we are referring, powerful helped us to discover the magnificent Celtic monument at Rennes-les-Bains, and on its side, this monument study led us with security at étymologiques deductions which seem difficult to refute.

It is as well as the Cromleck de Rennes-les-Bains is intimately linked to the resurrection, or, if it wants to wake up unexpected Celtic language

It is why the Canadians are Bilingual and why the Cajuns kept the French language
It is the gift of language that makes man so unique
just a bit of a Big picture


just a side note
You know what rhymes with Grail ....Braille
Braille can be seen as the world's first binary encoding scheme for representing the characters of a writing system
the first digital form of writing

Google translate is a nightmare my dear...but it only takes a second to read it back over to yourself to see if it makes sense..... surely.

I understand Sheila and your absolutely right
Google translate is a nightmare

I just copied from the link... but yes I understand what Les Bathroom means Rennes Les Bains
You gave me a chuckle today thanks a zillion

It was a fascinating read and so much of my research ties into Abbe Boudet's book
I am so happy for the English translation...though limited it is

Ruminants have their "needs" too, you know...

You're right but further to that at a later date Plantard purchased the mines. So you're right it doesn't matter if it's true he may have been fishing by creating the conversation but by purchasing the mines it meant he may have known how it really worked.

Plantard's mines were only bought for a scam...not unsuccessful, but a scam never the less.

You mean he wasn't looking for bottles under rocks on that hillside ?

It's a little more complicated then that Sheila. Since when the PoS become legitimate in your eyes? "The Templars are amongst us" was a book written specifically for the British secret scam in Chilvirac order they were trying to start up in Stenay(?) it doesn't negate the fact that there was other mysteries associated with RLC. In fact they moved it specifically for that reason - it gave a better foundation on which to base their "operations" so to speak.
Plantard is certainly not in the Felt hat making business, and Sandri regularly produces tempature and mineral reports for the RLB spa baths.
So they either knew or they're incredibly wasteful in their time.