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You didn't even read my whole post and yet you drew conclusions. btw Caelum has just posted some new information on the Solutrean Hypothesis, remember our discussions on that subject. Want to reopen those arguments? If so I'll start a thread.---Bill

Oh yeah, and what kind of evidence would it take to show Cathars lived at Rennes le Chateau, IYO?

Sure, as long as there's new evidence, why not?

Re: Cathars at RLC, oh, I guess something other than "there's no evidence that they didn't"...

TCP

In Vodou, it is believed that a common depiction of Erzulie has its roots in copies of the icon of the Black Madonna of Częstochowa,

brought to Haiti by Polish soldiers fighting on both sides of the Haitian Revolution from 1802 onwards
The Gypsies
Some Romanies migrated from Persia through North Africa, reaching Europe via Spain in the 15th century. The two currents met in France. Romanies began immigrating to the United States in colonial times, with small groups in Virginia and French Louisiana.

When I was at Rosslyn my tour guide told me Sinclair often had the gypsies stay there once a year

The citizens of Beziers chose to stay put and protect the Cathars. One local commentator writing in 1213 said they would rather 'die as heretics than live as Christians'. On July 22, Mary Magdalene's Feast Day, the Pope ordered the extermination of every man, woman and child within the city gates of Beziers. One crusader of conscience was said to have asked a superior how they were to tell Cathar from Catholic. The reply was direct and chilling: 'Kill them all. God will know his own'.

This is a Vodou charm for Erzulie


Look familiar

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C'mon rain, you know the Languedoc was saturated with Cathars in th 12th century. The question would have to be where wern't they, as well you know. If we needed evidence of a Cathar presence, then they didn't exist at all, of course other than inquistion records. You are not an RCC fan are you?

C'mon rain, you know the Languedoc was saturated with Cathars in th 12th century. The question would have to be where wern't they, as well you know. If we needed evidence of a Cathar presence, then they didn't exist at all, of course other than inquistion records. You are not an RCC fan are you?[/quote]

That's TCP's quote not mine, I just laughed because I think he's right in setting down boundaries before engages with you. You can be like a black hole of digression sometimes, the same as Roscoe. And don't forget to Roscoe I am considered "THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE" - not just a crappy little fan - what an insult, get it right will ya.

No it isn't. I see you are on the pointless reasoning trial again. Why would it make any difference if it wasn't a Roman town? Isis is neo-pagan goddess resurrected by the late 19th early 20th century occult circles with whom Saunière is likely to have become involved in the town of Lyon. Just up the Rhone.



There's no record. There's no record that we descended from apes but it seems to be largely accepted science now.




My records show that she was. I presume you know that the name Sarah means Princess in Hebrew. There's a bit of controversy about this from the story of Abraham. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah



God made a covenant with Isaac whilst he was still in Sarah's womb. Sounds a bit like Royal Blood to me.



Not on the tombstone it wasn't.



The dark Marie of Arles. Wasn't it the French who coined the phrase Double entendre.



So why was the Greek settlement at the Bouche du Rhone called Masillia?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glanum

Where's the Fritz Dörge Bank? The Bank where Saunière had a bank account?






Wouldn't have been a problem in this man's day.



What's that city on the top left hand corner? The one on the big river?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

You may be interested to know that the words

Wonga and Kushti

are Romany words that have found their way into UK slang media.

It's irrelevant - that's why it dead ends you. The initial theory was supposed to suggest the temple treasures were in RLC.
Even Henry Lincoln doesn't believe it anymore - only you Roscoe seems to go ad infinitium over & over again on the decoy.



What a load of ... distraction. Who cares it's not revelant to RLC.



Again if it's based on a false premise and there is no link to RLC - it's just another distraction.



Distraction and irrelevant to RLC, you've failed to prove any link Roscoe so now you're just wasting people's time. Even Henry Lincoln is partially apologetic by not going on about past mistakes.



Ahhh the mythical tombstone - Where is it Roscoe and why is it considered a decoy?



Doesn't matter it's irrelevant in that it was created by Sauniere and is to hide what he is doing - a decoy in other words.

As for rest of the post nobody cares it doesn't educate or answer anyone's questions.

If you can't identify the "crime" you don't have a hope in Hell of solving it.

Sauniere was able to get away with producing the headstone because there is a secondary mystery of which he was able to take advantage of.

That probably means nothing to anybody here but it does mean something to the French.

Roscoe
I really enjoyed that article on
Paganism in Provence:
How the Mother-Goddess Became the Mother of God

It had TCP Basque Mari in it too
thanks

At the bank where Sauniere went
whose the stone faces on the outside of it?

"black hole of digression", ouch! I do apologize for the RCC remark, next time I will certainly give you more credit.

btw, though, my argument still stands, how can you ask for evidence that was purposely erased? Papers were burned, minds were brainwashed, they built no churchs, ect. and ect.

It was pretty easy actually, I used the keyboard and typed it in the box titled Post a reply, then pressed submit after I carefully maneuvered the pointer with mouse over the virtual button and clicked. It's a gift I have.

OK rain, I get it, discussion over.---Bill

I understand your discomfort with reason. It mucks up a good conspiracy theory.



Then the early history of Arles is immaterial to your point. Not sure what you thought you might gain by bringing it up.



Ever hear of something called the fossil record...? That theory wasn't just pulled out of someone's ass (unlike some of what passes for "theory" around here).




You have no records showing anything of the sort.



Yeah, and?



Yeah, and? I see you have no answer for the discrepancy.



Yes, and I believe I've already addressed the one that concerns "dark Maries".



If you're asking why the Latin-speaking Romans called the town Massillia rather than Massalia as the Phokean Greeks called it, I really don't know. You keep asking but I suspect if you had an answer you'd have already blurted it out by now and congratulated yourself. Hence you must keep asking because you don't know the answer.

The Phokeans called the place Massalia after the local Celto-Ligurian natives, the Salians.



Sorry, I don't "do" Vincent Bridges as a qualified source, and the bit about 18th and 19th dynasty-era Egyptians sailing up the Rhone and building forts along the coast is a modern fabrication, designed to enhance the "Isis/Magdalene goes to France" narrative. "Gidget Goes to Rome" is founded on better authority.



Budapest.



A little too early to have any effect on Cathars, don't you think?



Buda and Pest, modern Budapest. I hope you're not suggesting that the Fritz Dörge Bank was in business in the early 9th century.



Doesn't interest me in the slightest, sorry.

TCP

Depends on the definition of "saturation" - what percentage of the overall population would you define as "saturated", Bill? And what percent of the overall population of Languedoc do you believe the Cathars constituted?



Well, they generally weren't in the countryside; Cathars tended to be urban and schooled in trades.



Seeing as how it is likely that everything you know about the Cathars comes from "inquisition records" I wonder how you can be so dismissive without looking foolish?

TCP

The precentage of the overall population wasn't the point.

Well, I know the favored trade of the Parfait would be weavers. As for the credentes, I'm not sure I can agree with you. Although certainly during the Albigensian crusade they tended to group up in fortified urban areas. But I'm not sure what your argument is. My statement was that Cathars were pretty much spread throughout the area around the County of Toulouse and could just as well have been in Rennes le Chateau as not.

I'm not sure what your point is here either, if to stand up for "rain", I don't think she needs your help as I have seen her in action.

That's right, she doesn't need my help at all, she stands on her own two feet.

Nice dodge on the question though, you're very limber for an old guy!

TCP

Oh, I see, so now "saturated" becomes "spread throughout". I think you understood my argument quite well.

TCP

Well, maybe saturated was not the right word to use, although it only means to be "soaked thoroughly", what that amounts to I would think would be up to the reader in this case. I didn't mean to imply a certain percentage. Looking back, I can see that "spread throughout" would have caused less confusion.
The Cathars were spread throughout the area in and around the County of Toulouse, therefore they could just as well have been at Rennes le Chateau as not.---Bill

Roscoe has a point, does he know that?

Isn't IBJs Crista sheep pen forum up and running yet? Need to get some quality back into this forum.

Saunière said 'They gave it to me and I used it' meaning they gave him MONEY and he used it. Nothing more nothing less.

I've just notice your catch phrase Wayward, on the trail of the Grail.
If we follow your hypothesis - the Grail should be in North America somewhere taken there by Templars before official history.
So why are you spending so much time in France and RLC when one of the basic tenets of your arguments is the grail isn't even in France.
Shouldn't you be digging up North America for some female bones to prove yourself correct?