Maguelonne

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6961

Sheila wrote:

.....and the E in question has no accent , so don't put a "ê" in place when a "é" will do just as well..... which BTW, changes the whole meaning of the supposed sentence.

Exactly what i said, you don't seem to understand plain English let alone French.

There are no accents...got it.

If the E was meant to be read with an accent "ê", fair enough we have a fisherman...but if the non-visible accent was meant to be a "é" then it changes the meaning completely.......and just because you see the word "poisson" as in "fish" it doesn't make the person a fisherman...i'll leave you to go figure rather than believing everything you read, written by other people regurgitating what they have read ad infinitum...

do you understand what i'm saying or not !

Nope!

I never understand what you're saying.

You've gone wittering on about what it isn't but neglected to say what YOU THINK it is.

You talk in nebulous phrases all the time, you've got Rogeritis. Frankly you don't fool me. You're a self confessed proponent of willful ignorance and frankly in no position to lecture me on anything.

There are no bloody accents because the entire thing came from code.

I just think you're having a go at me because I don't endorse your obsession. I don't endorse it and neither do any French forums that I know of. It's crap.

Sheila · **Posted:** 22 Feb 2012 4:04 pm

why do people insist on quoting my own words back at me using big letters...i didn't use big letters you twit, stop shouting at me, just because you can't understand plain english.

Deep breath.

...as i said, the text is in capitals therefore there are no accents (so sorry but that's the way it is in French)

Pêcheur is a fisherman.

Pécheur is a sinner.

it all depends on the accent mate.....and don't be fooled like everyone else by the inclusion of the word poisson, a fish on a grill does not a fisherman make....a "poisson" can mean a person who is easily duped.

BTW....the "gril" in question is a torture instrument.... since you don't seem to have figured that one out for yourself yet.

"Le gril est un instrument très ancien puisqu'il s'agit de l'instrument du martyre de Laurent qui a eu lieu en 258 à Rome. Saint Vincent de Saragosse aurait été également victime de cette forme de martyre.... De cet usage comme instrument de torture est restée l'expression « être sur le gril ». "

Sheila · **Posted:** 22 Feb 2012 4:06 pm

Roscoe wrote:

I just think you're having a go at me

no Roscoe, all i ever do is help you...you are just too paranoid to see it.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6961

Sheila wrote:

why do people insist on quoting my own words back at me using big letters...i didn't use big letters you twit, stop shouting at me, just because you can't understand plain english.

Deep breath.

...as i said, the text is in capitals therefore there are no accents (so sorry but that's the way it is in French)

Pêcheur is a fisherman.

Pécheur is a sinner.

it all depends on the accent mate.....and don't be fooled like everyone else by the inclusion of the word poisson, a fish on a grill does not a fisherman make....a "poisson" can mean a person who is easily duped.

BTW....the "gril" in question is a torture instrument.... since you don't seem to have figured that one out for yourself yet.

"Le gril est un instrument très ancien puisqu'il s'agit de l'instrument du martyre de Laurent qui a eu lieu en 258 à Rome. Saint Vincent de Saragosse aurait été également victime de cette forme de martyre.... De cet usage comme instrument de torture est restée l'expression « être sur le gril ». "

So tell me what YOU THINK l'embouchure du Rhone means? Or are you going to alter that FACT to suit also?

So just down from the BOUCHE DU RHONE, which is effectively Marseilles (or Arles if you wish as in Marie d’ARLES, Countess D’Hautpoul Dame de Blanchfort.), is Saintes Maries de la Mer (I presume you know the significance of that place) and just along the coast is Maguelonne (Magdalene perhaps?), a place that we know Saunière was interested in.

So you have concluded that PECHEUR means Sinner despite having no other indication at all that this is the correct meaning. I didn't include the accent because there wasn't one at all in the original.

So tell me about the original

What do the other letters in the box mean Sheila?

Tell me why Henry Buthion, a resident of Rennes le Chateau (Villa Bethania even), thought the word was FISHERMAN.

I take it you know who wears the FISHERMAN'S RING. Clue: They had a spell there at Avignon 41 miles from l'embouchure du Rhone. The first resident to move there was someone who had it in for the Knights Templar.

I take it you've been to Rennes le Chateau, oh all knowledgeable one.

I take it you know that this was in the Rennes le Chateau museum for a short while don't you?

Whatever could it mean?

PAR CE SIGNE TU LE VAINCRAS

:wink:

Incidently

What's the Occitan name for the Rhone?

Here have a bit of Henry Boudet:

Quote:

"We have happiness to have in our regions, within one kilometre to the north of Limoux, a dedicated sanctuary to the Blessed Virgin, assiduously visited, and surrounded by a veneration which was never contradicted. Extremely brought closer the river banks of Aude with quiet water, and placed a slope dominating the valley, this sanctuary easily strikes the glance which is fixed with kindness on this blessed place, where the soft Mother of the Saviour distributes her consolations and her help to all the admirers of her Son running close to it to ask and beg. Supplications were never useless, and the exvoto suspended around the venerated image, testify enough to the joy and the recognition to the unfortunate who have obtained the requested favours.

The sanctuary is guarded by the children of Saint Vincent de Paul, the saint whose heart belonged to the orphans and unfortunates, and under the direction of these pious and wise missionaries, true inheritors of the virtues and the charity of their benevolent founder, the privileged temple saw a crowd, larger than ever, kneeling and praying in the sacred walls."

Within a little distance, to the top of the slope broadside of green trees leading to the sanctuary, a fountain drops drop by drop its limpid water in a basin of marble. With the help of large rains, the continuous water drop to fall with uniformity and times of great dryness do not tare it. The innumerable Christians who will pay homage to the Blessed Virgin, stop one moment with the fountain, and after having made a prayer, some drops of this water draw of which they wet their eyelids.

Why do they act thus? The majority are unaware of it; but the mother teaches with her sons, and those transmit to their children the pious practice of use with the fountain of Our Lady of Marceille. Thus the fountain is indicated; the old chroniclers, however, knew it under the name of fountain of Our-Lady of Marsilla. At the time of the occupation first of Gaules,

Wet their Eyelids?

What's that all about, oh supreme knowledgeable one who quote "Keeps an open mind" unquote ?

Μασσαλία
How's yer Greek?

How's yer Latin?

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6961

Oh by the way

I love this painting

Starry Night over the Rhone by Vincent van Gogh

Banat Na’ash al Kubra – The Daughters of the Great (funeral) Bier.

Ah yes. The three saints - Mary Magdalene, Mary Salome and Mary Jacobe pulling the funeral Bier of Saint Lazarus.

What? says she.

Corse if thee knew summat then theed know what I was talking about. (That's English by the way)

Sheila · **Posted:** 23 Feb 2012 7:34 am

that does it, i've had enough of you, you really are thick...i'll leave you to talk with your fan base.
Over and out.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6961

Sheila wrote:

that does it, i've had enough of you, you really are thick...i'll leave you to talk with your fan base.
Over and out.

Yes it all depends on the accent mate. The accent in this case (it has never been any other) is l'embouchure du Rhone

Does this mean you wont contaminate my thread anymore with made up strawmen?

RESULT!!!!!!!!!!!

So back to MAGUELONNE just down the coast from l'embouchure du Rhone now we've blitzed the time wasters.

Luke chapter 8

Quote:

1And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,

2And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

38Now the man out of whom the devils were departed besought him that he might be with him: but Jesus sent him away, saying,

39Return to thine own house, and shew how great things God hath done unto thee. And he went his way, and published throughout the whole city how great things Jesus had done unto him.

40And it came to pass, that, when Jesus was returned, the people gladly received him: for they were all waiting for him.

41And, behold, there came a man named Jairus, and he was a ruler of the synagogue: and he fell down at Jesus' feet, and besought him that he would come into his house:

42For he had one only daughter, about twelve years of age, and she lay a dying. But as he went the people thronged him

The name of the Daughter of Jairus was Talitha.

Talitha is a Faery with green skin and wings., specifically a Sprite in Bretagne & Kernel.

"Talitha" means "Daughter of the assembly"

Crimson_Ghost · **Posted:** 23 Feb 2012 12:52 pm

Sheila wrote:

i'll leave you to talk with your fan base.

Eginolf · **Posted:** 23 Feb 2012 1:13 pm

roscoe wrote:

Does this mean you wont contaminate my thread anymore with made up strawmen?

RESULT!!!!!!!!!!!

That's what's going to happen in Isaac's forum as soon as roscoe is in. :twisted:

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6961

Eginolf wrote:

roscoe wrote:

Does this mean you wont contaminate my thread anymore with made up strawmen?

RESULT!!!!!!!!!!!

That's what's going to happen in Isaac's forum as soon as roscoe is in. :twisted:

If you actually think I'll be wasting my time in that sheep pen you're deluding yourself.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6961

But speaking of

THE GREAT BEAR

Anyone want to comment on what they think this is all about?

BEAR SKULL placed with care onto a carved stone rock inside the

Chauvet Cave in the valley of the Ardèche River

That's in France Sheila. It's outside the farm gate. But don't go out for there thee be dragons.

But hey what's bears got to do with anything besides this:

and This

Bear Festival Arles sur Tech

and this

Arcas - The Bear Watcher. looking around at his mother Callisto (who had been turned into a bear) whilst he points to the meridian.

Quote:

The name of the star [in Bootes] derives from Ancient Greek Αρκτοῦρος (Arktouros) and means "Guardian of the Bear", ultimately from ἄρκτος (arktos), "bear"[11] + οὖρος (ouros), "watcher, guardian".[12] This is a reference to it being the brightest star in the constellation Boötes (of which it forms the left foot), which is next to the Greater and Lesser Bears, Ursa Major and Ursa Minor.

Quote:

As a follower of Artemis, Callisto, who Hesiod said[7] was the daughter of Lycaon, king of Arcadia,[8] took a vow to remain a virgin, as did all the nymphs of Artemis. But to have her, Zeus disguised himself, Ovid says, as Artemis (Diana) herself, in order to lure her into his embrace. Callisto was then turned into a bear, as Hesiod had told it:

...but afterwards, when she was already with child, was seen bathing and so discovered. Upon this, the goddess was enraged and changed her into a beast. Thus she became a bear and gave birth to a son called Arcas.

Either Artemis "slew Kallisto with a shot of her silver bow,"[9] perhaps urged by the wrath of Juno (Hera)[10] or later Arcas, the eponym of Arcadia, nearly killed his bear-mother, when she had wandered into the forbidden precinct of Zeus. In every case, Zeus placed them both in the sky as the constellations Ursa Major, called Arktos (αρκτος), the "Bear", by Greeks, and Ursa Minor.

According to Ovid,[11] it was Jupiter (Zeus) who took the form of Diana (Artemis) so that he might evade his wife Juno’s detection, forcing himself upon Callisto while she was separated from Diana and the other nymphs.[12] Her pregnant condition was discovered some months later while bathing with Diana and her fellow nymphs. Upon this, Diana was enraged and expelled Callisto from the group, and subsequently she gave birth to Arcas. Juno then took the opportunity to avenge her wounded pride and transformed the nymph into a bear. Sixteen years later Callisto, still a bear, encountered her son Arcas hunting in the forest. Just as Arcas was about to kill his own mother with his javelin, Jupiter averted the tragedy by placing mother and son amongst the stars as Ursa Major and Minor, respectively. Juno, enraged that her attempt at revenge had been frustrated, appealed to Oceanus that the two might never meet his waters, thus providing a poetic explanation for their circumpolar positions.

The stars of Ursa Major were all circumpolar in Athens of 400 BCE, and all but the stars in the Great Bear's left foot were circumpolar in Ovid's Rome, in the first century CE. Now, however, due to the precession of the equinoxes, the feet of the Great Bear constellation do sink below the horizon from Rome and especially from Athens – so Ursa Major gets to cool her feet and legs in the sea, in spite of Ovid; however, Ursa Minor (Arcas) does remain completely above the horizon, even from latitudes as far south as Honolulu and Hong Kong.

The Phoenicians navigated using the Great Bear, in fact they got their name from it.

OoooH! Errrr!!!

Crow · **Posted:** 24 Feb 2012 9:48 am

You might be interested in the cult of Artemis, and the Arkteia.

lovuian · **Posted:** 25 Feb 2012 4:39 pm

Roscoe I love that picture of the stars so like a swastika

One theory about the origin of swastika that I haven’t seen to be pondered about a lot is that of a celestial origin, of Ursa Minor’s and Ursa Major’s rotational positions (equinoxes and solstices) around the pole star.

If you look at the nightsky it seems to rotate around the pole star that stays in a fixed position. One of the most visible if not the most visible constellation that can be seen in the nightsky and that connects nicely with the Northern pole star is that of Ursa Major.

Swastika is a symbol of good fortune in Buddhist religion. It represents the footprints and heart of Buddha. Thus, it is considered to be very holy and extensively brought to use by Buddhists. Infact, in all the images of Gautam Buddha, you'll find Swastik cross imprinted on his chest, palms and feet. It is one of the initial 65 symbols of auspiciousness associated with the footprint of the Buddha

Swastika marks the beginning of all the Buddhist texts. Buddhist Swastika is more often viewed as a sign of infinity, affluence, abundance and long life. Swastika holds great importance in the Buddhist religion and thus, this religious mark can be found on almost all the Buddhist sites including the temples. The mark of Swastika is quite popular in Korea. It is used to decorate the altar cloths and miniature paintings.
http://www.thecolorsofindia.com/swastik/swastika-in-buddhism.html

http://mesikammen.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/the-origin-of-swastika/

The swastika, which was associated with the spiral in many ways, appears, as is shown, to have been introduced some time in the discovery of agriculture and the fixing of the cardinal points. Its development from the equal-limbed cross of the early mariners, including those who settled in Crete, apparently took it when it was observed that the revolving "Great Bear" indicates the seasons, pointing, with its "tail", eastward in spring, southward in summer, westward in autumn and northward in winter.

As a Cross of the cardinal points, the swastika appears to have been originally a symbol of the world under the guardianship and control of the season-ruling gods of the four cardinal points. It still, as is shown, retains that significance among Asian Moslems, the gods having been supplanted by angels. After the swastika was, like the simpler cross, the four horns, the four pillars, etc., taken over by the solar cult, it became in certain areas mainly a symbol of divinity, and as such was used, as were some other symbols, to emphasise in its own particular bearing, the sacred character and the attributes of certain images and cult animals. We find that the swastika was used at Troy sometimes as a symbol of the four gods of the cardinal points, sometimes as a symbol of one of these gods, and sometimes as a symbol of the sun as ruler of all the gods. Not the least interesting of the surviving swastika symbols is the Navaho (Red Indian) "whirling logs "an equal-limbed cross, with gods perched on each point, giving it a swastika form (see frontispiece). This cross is kept revolving in a "whirlpool lake" which is situated in the north of the sky. The spiral and swastika were apparently definitely connected with the revolving "Great Bear" (Ursa Major) constellation in the New World as in the Old.

http://www.catastrophism.com/cdrom/pubs/books/symbols/index.htm

TCP · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2012 6:04 pm

roscoe wrote:

I take it you know who wears the FISHERMAN'S RING. Clue: They had a spell there at Avignon 41 miles from l'embouchure du Rhone. The first resident to move there was someone who had it in for the Knights Templar.

Some (of the "off-the-books" category) had "spells" closer to RLC. Known only to a very small group of cognoscenti, including Jeanne d'Arc.

TCP

TCP · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2012 6:13 pm

roscoe wrote:

Davinho wrote:

is this the SECRET that some have said is an abbreviation of SECRETary?

Yes well some have said this because they have a need to change the FACTS. Their THEORY doesn't fit the FACTS you see so they change the FACTS.

Funny how Roscoe can never see how this maxim applies to himself. :lol:

TCP

TCP · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2012 7:38 pm

roscoe wrote:

I presume that people are aware that it is now known that Saunière used an address 12 Rue de la Juiverie, Lyon to have letters sent to that he didn't want sent to Rennes le Chateau. One letter was from someone known as Montepellierain The subject of these letters is Maguelonne, an island off the coast of Montpellier. This place has been regarded as the Southern Mont St Michel.

The name may well be a corruption of Magdalene (or vice versa) and is associated with the cult of Isis.

According to Frédéric Mistral the name derives from the Phoenician word magal, referring to a warehouse or counting house.

TCP

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6961

TCP wrote:

roscoe wrote:

Davinho wrote:

is this the SECRET that some have said is an abbreviation of SECRETary?

Yes well some have said this because they have a need to change the FACTS. Their THEORY doesn't fit the FACTS you see so they change the FACTS.

Funny how Roscoe can never see how this maxim applies to himself. :lol:

TCP

Why do you always do this and then I go

Examples please

And at this point you then run away avoiding the answer?

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6961

lovuian wrote:

Roscoe I love that picture of the stars so like a swastika

One theory about the origin of swastika that I haven’t seen to be pondered about a lot is that of a celestial origin, of Ursa Minor’s and Ursa Major’s rotational positions (equinoxes and solstices) around the pole star.

If you look at the nightsky it seems to rotate around the pole star that stays in a fixed position. One of the most visible if not the most visible constellation that can be seen in the nightsky and that connects nicely with the Northern pole star is that of Ursa Major.

Swastika is a symbol of good fortune in Buddhist religion. It represents the footprints and heart of Buddha. Thus, it is considered to be very holy and extensively brought to use by Buddhists. Infact, in all the images of Gautam Buddha, you'll find Swastik cross imprinted on his chest, palms and feet. It is one of the initial 65 symbols of auspiciousness associated with the footprint of the Buddha

Swastika marks the beginning of all the Buddhist texts. Buddhist Swastika is more often viewed as a sign of infinity, affluence, abundance and long life. Swastika holds great importance in the Buddhist religion and thus, this religious mark can be found on almost all the Buddhist sites including the temples. The mark of Swastika is quite popular in Korea. It is used to decorate the altar cloths and miniature paintings.
http://www.thecolorsofindia.com/swastik/swastika-in-buddhism.html

http://mesikammen.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/the-origin-of-swastika/

The swastika, which was associated with the spiral in many ways, appears, as is shown, to have been introduced some time in the discovery of agriculture and the fixing of the cardinal points. Its development from the equal-limbed cross of the early mariners, including those who settled in Crete, apparently took it when it was observed that the revolving "Great Bear" indicates the seasons, pointing, with its "tail", eastward in spring, southward in summer, westward in autumn and northward in winter.

As a Cross of the cardinal points, the swastika appears to have been originally a symbol of the world under the guardianship and control of the season-ruling gods of the four cardinal points. It still, as is shown, retains that significance among Asian Moslems, the gods having been supplanted by angels. After the swastika was, like the simpler cross, the four horns, the four pillars, etc., taken over by the solar cult, it became in certain areas mainly a symbol of divinity, and as such was used, as were some other symbols, to emphasise in its own particular bearing, the sacred character and the attributes of certain images and cult animals. We find that the swastika was used at Troy sometimes as a symbol of the four gods of the cardinal points, sometimes as a symbol of one of these gods, and sometimes as a symbol of the sun as ruler of all the gods. Not the least interesting of the surviving swastika symbols is the Navaho (Red Indian) "whirling logs "an equal-limbed cross, with gods perched on each point, giving it a swastika form (see frontispiece). This cross is kept revolving in a "whirlpool lake" which is situated in the north of the sky. The spiral and swastika were apparently definitely connected with the revolving "Great Bear" (Ursa Major) constellation in the New World as in the Old.

http://www.catastrophism.com/cdrom/pubs/books/symbols/index.htm

The Magdalene and Lazarus legend has it that they were sister and brother and that they journeyed to France with another sister called Martha along with Mary Salome, wife of Zebedee, Mary Jacobe, wife of Cleofas and mother of the apostle Saint James the Less. Many early renaissance paintings seem to depict this journey to Masillia, now Marseilles and this story first appeared in an early printed work called The Golden Legend. The Magdalene, Martha and Lazarus appear as stained glass windows in the church at Rennes le Chateau.

These women (plus a few others) landing at the Greek city of Marsillia (Marseilles) - painting by Bondone

Ursa Major was thought by Arabic Christians to be the funeral bier of Lazarus with the three stars of the handle representing the women Mary, Martha and Mary Magdalene following behind the four stars making up the funeral bier.

So who's that left on the offshore island with that small boatman in attendance?

I'll post this again because it was probably missed thanks to all the efforts by all the time-wasters and their strawmen.

Quote:

"We have happiness to have in our regions, within one kilometre to the north of Limoux, a dedicated sanctuary to the Blessed Virgin, assiduously visited, and surrounded by a veneration which was never contradicted. Extremely brought closer the river banks of Aude with quiet water, and placed a slope dominating the valley, this sanctuary easily strikes the glance which is fixed with kindness on this blessed place, where the soft Mother of the Saviour distributes her consolations and her help to all the admirers of her Son running close to it to ask and beg. Supplications were never useless, and the exvoto suspended around the venerated image, testify enough to the joy and the recognition to the unfortunate who have obtained the requested favours.

The sanctuary is guarded by the children of Saint Vincent de Paul, the saint whose heart belonged to the orphans and unfortunates, and under the direction of these pious and wise missionaries, true inheritors of the virtues and the charity of their benevolent founder, the privileged temple saw a crowd, larger than ever, kneeling and praying in the sacred walls."

Within a little distance, to the top of the slope broadside of green trees leading to the sanctuary, a fountain drops drop by drop its limpid water in a basin of marble. With the help of large rains, the continuous water drop to fall with uniformity and times of great dryness do not tare it. The innumerable Christians who will pay homage to the Blessed Virgin, stop one moment with the fountain, and after having made a prayer, some drops of this water draw of which they wet their eyelids.

Why do they act thus? The majority are unaware of it; but the mother teaches with her sons, and those transmit to their children the pious practice of use with the fountain of Our Lady of Marceille. Thus the fountain is indicated; the old chroniclers, however, knew it under the name of fountain of Our-Lady of Marsilla. At the time of the occupation first of Gaules,[/i]

Henry Boudet - Le Vraie Langue Celtique et le Cromleck de Rennes-les-Bains

11But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre, 12And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. 13And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him. 14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. 15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. 16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. 17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. 18Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
John 20

bergeredearcadie · **Joined:** 07 Nov 2006 11:57 pm **Posts:** 3856

So who's that left on the offshore island with that small boatman in attendance?

Its appears to be a reference to another part of the Magdalene legend associated with her arrival in Gaul.

Shortly after her arrival in France Mary Magdalene converted a prince of the region and his wife by obtaining the favour of the conception of a son and heir for them .....the prince, wishing to test the truth of Mary's doctrine, resolved to journey to Rome to see Saint Peter. Against his wishes, his pregnant wife decided to accompany him. The couple left their possessions in the care of Mary Magdalene, and after having received her blessing, set sail.

There was a terrible storm while at sea during which the wife was delivered of a son and died. The sailors superstitiously wanted to throw the body overboard but the prince prevailed on them to abandon the body and the son on a forsaken rock in the sea.....Commending his wife and son to Magdalene and God the Prince continued his journey to Rome.

The prince met Peter in Rome, and Peter showed him the Holy Land. He became confirmed in his faith and returned home.

Along the way the ship passed the forsaken rock where he had abandoned his wife and child. They stopped and found the child still alive and the prince offered thanksgiving to Mary Magdalene whereupon his wife was then restored back to life. The wife declared that while he was with Peter, she was also in the Holy Land with Magdalene, who had preserved the life of herself and the child. Rejoicing the family completed their voyage back to Marseille, where they found Mary Magdalene preaching to her disciples. After receiving baptism the noble couple assisted in completing in the conversion of the land.

This prince of Marseille story is brought in by the vita, Postquam Dominus N.I.C. - which appears to be a collaboration of sorts between hagiographers and provencal romance writers.

Sheila · **Posted:** 27 Feb 2012 11:17 am

Roscoe wrote:

Greek city of Marsillia

You mean Massilia is assume.

you are getting your arses and asses muddled..."Marsilla" is Marceille, while "Massalia" (or later in latin, Massilia) or in your beloved Occitan, "Marselha" is Marseilles...the Greeks founded Marseilles not Marceille

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6961

Sheila wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Greek city of Marsillia

You mean Massilia is assume.

you are getting your arses and asses muddled..."Marsilla" is Marceille, while "Massalia" (or later in latin, Massilia) or in your beloved Occitan, "Marselha" is Marseilles...the Greeks founded Marseilles not Marceille

Quote:

"We have happiness to have in our regions, within one kilometre to the north of Limoux, a dedicated sanctuary to the Blessed Virgin, assiduously visited, and surrounded by a veneration which was never contradicted. Extremely brought closer the river banks of Aude with quiet water, and placed a slope dominating the valley, this sanctuary easily strikes the glance which is fixed with kindness on this blessed place, where the soft Mother of the Saviour distributes her consolations and her help to all the admirers of her Son running close to it to ask and beg. Supplications were never useless, and the exvoto suspended around the venerated image, testify enough to the joy and the recognition to the unfortunate who have obtained the requested favours.

The sanctuary is guarded by the children of Saint Vincent de Paul, the saint whose heart belonged to the orphans and unfortunates, and under the direction of these pious and wise missionaries, true inheritors of the virtues and the charity of their benevolent founder, the privileged temple saw a crowd, larger than ever, kneeling and praying in the sacred walls."

Within a little distance, to the top of the slope broadside of green trees leading to the sanctuary, a fountain drops drop by drop its limpid water in a basin of marble. With the help of large rains, the continuous water drop to fall with uniformity and times of great dryness do not tare it. The innumerable Christians who will pay homage to the Blessed Virgin, stop one moment with the fountain, and after having made a prayer, some drops of this water draw of which they wet their eyelids.

Why do they act thus? The majority are unaware of it; but the mother teaches with her sons, and those transmit to their children the pious practice of use with the fountain of Our Lady of Marceille. Thus the fountain is indicated; the old chroniclers, however, knew it under the name of fountain of Our-Lady of Marsilla. At the time of the occupation first of Gaules,[/i]

- Le Vraie Langue Celtique et le Cromleck de Rennes les Bains.

Not me, oh thread destroyer, Henry Boudet. You may have heard of him.

http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsilia

Sheila · **Posted:** 27 Feb 2012 1:14 pm

You just keep tripping yourself up at every turn, that page is in Roumanian/Rômana just in case you hadn't noticed, and yes the Roumanians do call modern day Marseilles "Marsilia".

as i said above ..."Marsilla" is Marceille.

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the pious practice of use with the fountain of Our Lady of Marceille. Thus the fountain is indicated; the old chroniclers, however, knew it under the name of fountain of Our-Lady of Marsilla.

you can't even read plain English even when you post it up yourself, let alone Roumanian. :roll:

unless you're dyslexic and can't see the difference between Marsilia and Marsilla and Massilia ?

lovuian · **Posted:** 27 Feb 2012 5:27 pm

roscoe wrote:

lovuian wrote:

Roscoe I love that picture of the stars so like a swastika

One theory about the origin of swastika that I haven’t seen to be pondered about a lot is that of a celestial origin, of Ursa Minor’s and Ursa Major’s rotational positions (equinoxes and solstices) around the pole star.

If you look at the nightsky it seems to rotate around the pole star that stays in a fixed position. One of the most visible if not the most visible constellation that can be seen in the nightsky and that connects nicely with the Northern pole star is that of Ursa Major.

Swastika is a symbol of good fortune in Buddhist religion. It represents the footprints and heart of Buddha. Thus, it is considered to be very holy and extensively brought to use by Buddhists. Infact, in all the images of Gautam Buddha, you'll find Swastik cross imprinted on his chest, palms and feet. It is one of the initial 65 symbols of auspiciousness associated with the footprint of the Buddha

Swastika marks the beginning of all the Buddhist texts. Buddhist Swastika is more often viewed as a sign of infinity, affluence, abundance and long life. Swastika holds great importance in the Buddhist religion and thus, this religious mark can be found on almost all the Buddhist sites including the temples. The mark of Swastika is quite popular in Korea. It is used to decorate the altar cloths and miniature paintings.
http://www.thecolorsofindia.com/swastik/swastika-in-buddhism.html

http://mesikammen.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/the-origin-of-swastika/

The swastika, which was associated with the spiral in many ways, appears, as is shown, to have been introduced some time in the discovery of agriculture and the fixing of the cardinal points. Its development from the equal-limbed cross of the early mariners, including those who settled in Crete, apparently took it when it was observed that the revolving "Great Bear" indicates the seasons, pointing, with its "tail", eastward in spring, southward in summer, westward in autumn and northward in winter.

As a Cross of the cardinal points, the swastika appears to have been originally a symbol of the world under the guardianship and control of the season-ruling gods of the four cardinal points. It still, as is shown, retains that significance among Asian Moslems, the gods having been supplanted by angels. After the swastika was, like the simpler cross, the four horns, the four pillars, etc., taken over by the solar cult, it became in certain areas mainly a symbol of divinity, and as such was used, as were some other symbols, to emphasise in its own particular bearing, the sacred character and the attributes of certain images and cult animals. We find that the swastika was used at Troy sometimes as a symbol of the four gods of the cardinal points, sometimes as a symbol of one of these gods, and sometimes as a symbol of the sun as ruler of all the gods. Not the least interesting of the surviving swastika symbols is the Navaho (Red Indian) "whirling logs "an equal-limbed cross, with gods perched on each point, giving it a swastika form (see frontispiece). This cross is kept revolving in a "whirlpool lake" which is situated in the north of the sky. The spiral and swastika were apparently definitely connected with the revolving "Great Bear" (Ursa Major) constellation in the New World as in the Old.

http://www.catastrophism.com/cdrom/pubs/books/symbols/index.htm

The Magdalene and Lazarus legend has it that they were sister and brother and that they journeyed to France with another sister called Martha along with Mary Salome, wife of Zebedee, Mary Jacobe, wife of Cleofas and mother of the apostle Saint James the Less. Many early renaissance paintings seem to depict this journey to Masillia, now Marseilles and this story first appeared in an early printed work called The Golden Legend. The Magdalene, Martha and Lazarus appear as stained glass windows in the church at Rennes le Chateau.

These women (plus a few others) landing at the Greek city of Marsillia (Marseilles) - painting by Bondone

Ursa Major was thought by Arabic Christians to be the funeral bier of Lazarus with the three stars of the handle representing the women Mary, Martha and Mary Magdalene following behind the four stars making up the funeral bier.

So who's that left on the offshore island with that small boatman in attendance?

I'll post this again because it was probably missed thanks to all the efforts by all the time-wasters and their strawmen.

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"We have happiness to have in our regions, within one kilometre to the north of Limoux, a dedicated sanctuary to the Blessed Virgin, assiduously visited, and surrounded by a veneration which was never contradicted. Extremely brought closer the river banks of Aude with quiet water, and placed a slope dominating the valley, this sanctuary easily strikes the glance which is fixed with kindness on this blessed place, where the soft Mother of the Saviour distributes her consolations and her help to all the admirers of her Son running close to it to ask and beg. Supplications were never useless, and the exvoto suspended around the venerated image, testify enough to the joy and the recognition to the unfortunate who have obtained the requested favours.

The sanctuary is guarded by the children of Saint Vincent de Paul, the saint whose heart belonged to the orphans and unfortunates, and under the direction of these pious and wise missionaries, true inheritors of the virtues and the charity of their benevolent founder, the privileged temple saw a crowd, larger than ever, kneeling and praying in the sacred walls."

Within a little distance, to the top of the slope broadside of green trees leading to the sanctuary, a fountain drops drop by drop its limpid water in a basin of marble. With the help of large rains, the continuous water drop to fall with uniformity and times of great dryness do not tare it. The innumerable Christians who will pay homage to the Blessed Virgin, stop one moment with the fountain, and after having made a prayer, some drops of this water draw of which they wet their eyelids.

Why do they act thus? The majority are unaware of it; but the mother teaches with her sons, and those transmit to their children the pious practice of use with the fountain of Our Lady of Marceille. Thus the fountain is indicated; the old chroniclers, however, knew it under the name of fountain of Our-Lady of Marsilla. At the time of the occupation first of Gaules,[/i]

Henry Boudet - Le Vraie Langue Celtique et le Cromleck de Rennes-les-Bains

11But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre, 12And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. 13And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him. 14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. 15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. 16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. 17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. 18Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
John 20

wonderful Roscoe about the
Ursa Major was thought by Arabic Christians to be the funeral bier of Lazarus with the three stars of the handle representing the women Mary, Martha and Mary Magdalene following behind the four stars making up the funeral bier.
The number four and three making that heavenly number seven
Oh Great spotting Roscoe on
that painting does reflect the oral tradition
The oral tradition that was given to me by the priest at the church of Magdalene
said St Mary Magdalene Lazarus Martha Maximus Cedonius and Martilla that they landed in Marseilles
it is where I found a statue of Magdalene like this

The sanctuary is guarded by the children of Saint Vincent de Paul,
As two of my aunts are Daughters of Charity this well could be true

lovuian · **Posted:** 27 Feb 2012 5:37 pm

bergeredearcadie wrote:

So who's that left on the offshore island with that small boatman in attendance?

Its appears to be a reference to another part of the Magdalene legend associated with her arrival in Gaul.

Shortly after her arrival in France Mary Magdalene converted a prince of the region and his wife by obtaining the favour of the conception of a son and heir for them .....the prince, wishing to test the truth of Mary's doctrine, resolved to journey to Rome to see Saint Peter. Against his wishes, his pregnant wife decided to accompany him. The couple left their possessions in the care of Mary Magdalene, and after having received her blessing, set sail.

There was a terrible storm while at sea during which the wife was delivered of a son and died. The sailors superstitiously wanted to throw the body overboard but the prince prevailed on them to abandon the body and the son on a forsaken rock in the sea.....Commending his wife and son to Magdalene and God the Prince continued his journey to Rome.

The prince met Peter in Rome, and Peter showed him the Holy Land. He became confirmed in his faith and returned home.

Along the way the ship passed the forsaken rock where he had abandoned his wife and child. They stopped and found the child still alive and the prince offered thanksgiving to Mary Magdalene whereupon his wife was then restored back to life. The wife declared that while he was with Peter, she was also in the Holy Land with Magdalene, who had preserved the life of herself and the child. Rejoicing the family completed their voyage back to Marseille, where they found Mary Magdalene preaching to her disciples. After receiving baptism the noble couple assisted in completing in the conversion of the land.

This prince of Marseille story is brought in by the vita, Postquam Dominus N.I.C. - which appears to be a collaboration of sorts between hagiographers and provencal romance writers.

Now that is a heck of a legend!
Magdalene had the ability to raise the dead and she was a major influence in that area
What a gal! I noticed the legend had to throw in Peter ...must give the Vatican its due :wink:

There is a legend in St Louis Crusades talks about a miracle and a Lady who saves a man from drowning coming home from the Crusades...I wonder if it is close to the same spot?

lovuian · **Posted:** 27 Feb 2012 5:40 pm

TCP wrote:

roscoe wrote:

I take it you know who wears the FISHERMAN'S RING. Clue: They had a spell there at Avignon 41 miles from l'embouchure du Rhone. The first resident to move there was someone who had it in for the Knights Templar.

Some (of the "off-the-books" category) had "spells" closer to RLC. Known only to a very small group of cognoscenti, including Jeanne d'Arc.

TCP

Now we are getting somewhere
I too have heard of a spell near RLC that went terribly wrong
can you be more specific

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