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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
PostPosted: 31 Jan 2012 2:04 am 
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Know what you mean Nic, i reckon it's the combination of history, architecture, and a bit of peace and quiet - lovely! What does annoy me though are locked churches. I realise they're open to vandalism but many's the time i've made a trip only to be dissapointed. Surprisingly churches in Normandy always tend to be open, even the ones out in the sticks, something that just doesn't seem to happen here. :(

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Know what you mean Nic, i reckon it's the combination of history, architecture, and a bit of peace and quiet - lovely! What does annoy me though are locked churches. I realise they're open to vandalism but many's the time i've made a trip only to be dissapointed. Surprisingly churches in Normandy always tend to be open, even the ones out in the sticks, something that just doesn't seem to happen here. :(


I know what you mean, even in a foreign country to go to a temple or a place of worship - there is something amazing and for it to be locked detracts from the sanctity of a holy house.
I used to go and sit on the steps of a Shinto temple sometimes when I was lonely in Japan late at night and just try and absorb it's peace. It was locked at night too. :(

I bought a novel the other day called Harlequin by Bernard Cornwell and I haven't read it yet but it starts with

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The treasure of Hookton was stolen on Easter morning 1342. It was a holy thing, a relic that hung from the church rafters, and it was extraordinary that so precious an object should have been kept in such an obscure village. Some folk said it had no business being there, that it should have been enshrned in a cathedral or some great abbey, while others, many others , said it was not genuine. Only fools denied that relics were faked. Glib men roamed the byways of England selling yellowed bones that were said to be from the fingers or toes or ribs of the blessed saints, and sometimes the bones were human, though more often they were from pigs or even deer, but still folk bought and prayed to the bones. 'A man might as well pray to St Guinefort, "Father Ralph said, then snorted with mocking laughter. 'They're praying to ham bones, ham bones! The blessed pig!'


I thought it was a rather romantic notion that something so precious could be kept in a small church, which is why I bought the novel.

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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
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Sorry to hear that Rain, i think i understand what you mean though. I think there's a sort of comfort in connecting with those that have gone before you, and the hundreds, if not thousands of people who would've walked and sat in the same place as you, many before you were even born. That's the way i feel anyway. There are many places one can feel at peace and it's good just to sit and reflect sometimes, it's just a shame that many old churches/shrines are closed off to us now, or charge admittance.

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 Post subject: St. Denis
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Watching the program about the Gothic Cathedrals, I heard that St. Denis was the 1rst of its kind!

The design was quiter a shock to the public who called it barbarian and "Goth" which came to define the "Gothic"

style. Did Abbe Suger design St. Denis? They mentioned the importance of the pointed arch but did not tell of its origin.

Many of the measurements were taken from the Bible - in Royal and Roman measure - 144 cubits tall with the front defined

by the measurements used for the Temple of Solomon and the central interior square with a measure of 50 cubits for the

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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
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Talking of the temple of Solomon i was at Temple church last week, took some nice pics.

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Renne wrote:
Did Abbe Suger design St. Denis? .


No, he redesigned parts of it……some interesting links apertaining to Suger and St Denis.

http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpresseboo ... view=print

http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/illuminated ... asp#FRANCE

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/sugar.html

http://traumwerk.stanford.edu/philolog/ ... ht_lu.html

http://www.umich.edu/~historyj/docs/2008-fall/steif.pdf

http://fds.oup.com/www.oup.co.uk/pdf/0-19-820794-8.pdf


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Talking of the temple of Solomon i was at Temple church last week, took some nice pics.

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Nice Door. The design on the door is very beautiful.

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I think lov would love the stained glass windows.

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I enjoy studying the chemistry of the colors of the stained glass.

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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
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Nice Door. The design on the door is very beautiful.


It is lovely isn't it? The surrounding capitals have tiny maidens on the top but they are very weathered now which gives them a rather macabre look. There are also some sarcophogi adjacent to the door, attached a pic. Considering it's smack bang in the middle of the inns of court it's pretty peaceful round there. My Mum used to take us for a walk there on Sunday afternoons when we were kids - completely quiet, not a soul in sight.

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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
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Just a quick message to let you all know that i will soon be publishing a new article on the Crista and the Staff of Moses. I will soon be opening a forum also, with some interesting subjects, i will let you know when it is live. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
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Blimy Roscoe :shock: the Crista has been mentioned in the RLC section by one of it's main proponents and not a blip from you! No abuse, no name calling, no mad rant or hysterical accusations........ absolute silence :lol:
Why is that I wonder :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
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So it's either ......

A.... You secretly believe in the Crista and are waiting with bated breath for the next
Installment.

B....You have been warned off by Andrew et al.

C.....you are a coward and Bully who only verbally abuses women.

D....You have some new happy pills.


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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
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tingra wrote:
So it's either ......

A.... You secretly believe in the Crista and are waiting with bated breath for the next
Installment.

B....You have been warned off by Andrew et al.

C.....you are a coward and Bully who only verbally abuses women.

D....You have some new happy pills.


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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
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C 'est là que nous avons appris qu'Isaac ben Jacob (un pseudo connu de nos colonnes et ensuite du milieu RLCéen) avait, il ya sans doute de nombreux mois, entrepris d'aborder le thème et le prospecter. Avant de commencer, à notre tour, cette recherche nous devons lui rendre hommage d'avoir été le tout premier à s'aventurer, sans biscuits, sur ce chemin qui, s'il n'est pas vraiment difficile n'est, en tous cas, pas si facile qu'il en a l'air tant il est vaste et peu connu. Isaac fut 'sabré' par les quelques jaloux habitués du lancé de couteaux dans le dos et le pousser dans les escalier glissants. Cependant, il nous faut dire avant de poursuivre résolument, que ces gens s'accaparèrent, sans scrupule ni vergogne, le thème déjà bien avancé

Depuis notre entrée dans le jeu, ça et là commencent à poindre des rumeurs sur le sujet... on nous a même suggéré de faire très attention car, forcément, quelques dangers guettent l'inconscient tentant sa chance. On raconte aussi que la recherche serait récupérée par quelques ressortissants anglais qui, renseignements pris, n'existent que dans l'esprit tourmenté des inventeurs de sardines bouchant le port de Marseille ou la bouche d'Irem pour en taire les murmures... La tache d'huile s'étendrait encore en Suisse et à présent en France au sein de l'équipe (bonjour les charognards à visage de sphinx!) même qui mit Isaac KO au dernier round pour coup fatal sous la ceinture !)

Nous attendons, avec amusement, les menaces qui tardent à arriver. La tourmente se serait-elle apaisée ? Nous allons le savoir dès après la publication de ce premier volet sur ce fameux élément répondant au beau nom de geminae cristia, puisque ce serait à partir de notre premier volet sur le sujet que les hostilités devraient commencer.


Anne Lombard-Jourdan

Il nous faut, aussi, faire encore une petite place aux très anciennes traditions gauloises avec un aspect solaire à ne pas négliger sous la houlette de madame Anne Lombard-Jourdan (chercheur au CNRS). Elle nous explique que, nous citons : " la fleur de lys des rois de France n'est autre que l'héritière d'un ancien symbole solaire, qu'elle décrit comme 'composé d'une croix à branches égales, dont le bras supérieur se divisait pour retomber à droite et à gauche sous forme d'une double courbe (GEMINA CRISTA), il évoquait le soleil à son lever, au moment où il croît". Cette fleur de lys, armes héraldique des rois de France, dériverait d'un symbole gaulois du nom de Crista qui est un substantif du latin classique. Celle-ci représente un oméga à l'envers illustrant le soleil coupé en deux parties égales (nuit et jour). Nous verrons plus loin qu'elle forme également la ceinture d'un dieu gaulois du nom de Dispater, le père des dieux (statue trouvée à Visp et conservée au musée de Genève).


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Better make your new forum English only. You'll get short shrift from any French readers.

Yes our mister Jacob doesn't go on the French forums. They rip his THEORIES apart you see.

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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
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You'll be happy to hear that Isaac has a forum now that can accessed via his homepage at http://isaacbenjacob.com/ or via the link here http://isaacbenjacob.freeforums.org/. Registration is quick and easy, feel free to have a look and join if you want to.

Bear in mind Roscoe that everyone's research is valid. You may not agree with Isaac's theories but i see little point in berating him at every opportunity. You have said yourself that you've never read his books so i'm a little confused as to why you find him and his work so threatening. Does seem a little odd. I realise you probably won't want to join, but if you do you'll be very welcome.

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love the way Roscoe doesn't actually understand what he just posted there...mind you, if he understood he probably wouldn't have posted it because it blows his bitchiness apart.


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love the way Roscoe doesn't actually understand what he just posted there...mind you, if he understood he probably wouldn't have posted it because it blows his bitchiness apart.


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We need, too, do even a small square with ancient Gallic traditions with an aspect Solar should not be neglected under the leadership of Mrs. Anne Lombard-Jourdan (CNRS researcher). She explains that, we quote: "the lily of the kings of France is none other than the heir of an ancient solar symbol, which she describes as' composed of a cross with equal arms, with arms higher was divided and fell to the right and left as a double curve (GEMINA CRISTA), he spoke of the rising sun, when it grows. " This fleur de lys, heraldic arms of the kings of France, deriving a symbol of Gallic name Crista is a noun of classical Latin. This represents an upside down omega illustrating the sun cut into two equal parts (day and night).


See it's all to do with the sun. Been telling you for years. You've just been too dumb to accept it.

And it has the square root of zip to do with Rennes le Chateau or Saunière. The section on Arcadia that it consistently keeps on contaminating with the precession of OCD victims. Not that anybody will bother reading it but I'll tell you yet again: I don't object to it being discussed on the forum I just don't want it swamping everything else and I want it to have it's own section.

The rest from Perillos is probably the most patronising piece of text I've yet to come across. Tongue well and truly firmly wedged into cheek.

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love the way Roscoe doesn't actually understand what he just posted there...mind you, if he understood he probably wouldn't have posted it because it blows his bitchiness apart.



See it's all to do with the sun. Been telling you for years. You've just been too dumb to accept it.

And it has the square root of zip to do with Rennes le Chateau or Saunière...


I finally get your point. The sun has nothing to do with RLC.

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The rest from Perillos is probably the most patronising piece of text I've yet to come across. Tongue well and truly firmly wedged into cheek.


eh no, wrong again.


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I don't object to it being discussed on the forum I just don't want it swamping everything else and I want it to have it's own section.


You`ve been saying this forever...Andy must not agree with your views and as far as we all understand this is his forum. Perhaps it`s time you get that website/forum of your own you have talked about before up and running.


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You'll be happy to hear that Isaac has a forum now that can accessed via his homepage at http://isaacbenjacob.com/ or via the link here http://isaacbenjacob.freeforums.org/. Registration is quick and easy, feel free to have a look and join if you want to.

Bear in mind Roscoe that everyone's research is valid. You may not agree with Isaac's theories but i see little point in berating him at every opportunity. You have said yourself that you've never read his books so i'm a little confused as to why you find him and his work so threatening. Does seem a little odd. I realise you probably won't want to join, but if you do you'll be very welcome.

All the best,

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Best of luck to you all with the new Forum.
In what way will it be different to the 'RLC Masters' Forum?
Will 'Voldemort' be involved this time?
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Thanks TD, early days yet but we'll see what happens i guess. RLC Masters was more of a blog and it wasn't particularly user friendly. Now Isaac has a dedicated website plus the new forum which is not unlike this one, but with a few extra features like chat and embedding of Youtube vids etc. Obviously people can't comment or discuss things on the website but the forum gives them the opportunity to do so if they want to. A bit easier to manage too!

Nope, 'Voldermort' isn't and never will be involved. :D

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You are so right Rain and thanks Tingra for the awesome links
and a thank you Crow for the pictures

Yes stained glass windows are so much more than just colored glass :wink:
Abbe Sugar knew that as well as Blanche of Castile and St Louis :wink:

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The rest from Perillos is probably the most patronising piece of text I've yet to come across. Tongue well and truly firmly wedged into cheek.


eh no, wrong again.


And this pantomime answer is the sum total of the counter argument. Oh no it isn't. Well oh yes it is.
Try going onto a French forum with any of this crap. Go on I'll be watching in amusement as they rip your THEORIES apart. You know Patrice Chaplin's theories are at least backed up by hard evidence. This has absolutely NOTHING but an unsupported THEORY and the most plausible part of it i.e. The Plains of Lendit part is not IBJs Theory but that of Anne Lombard-Jourdan and she says the Gemina Christae is a sun symbol.

On the one hand I ask myself why do I bother myself with these idiots, but then I say to myself 'No they're not driving me off this forum' with this utter crap.

I'll ask you yet again, and this question is out to everyone.

What has this got to do with Saunière. The FACT that nobody but nobody ever tries to answer this question tells me everything. The fact that nobody answers is due to the fact that nobody bloody well knows. Is just some kind of hypnotic obsession.

But being lectured to by someone who admits to willful ignorance is the last straw. I'm not going away on this one. You will place your evidence on here or you will not be allowed to discuss anything regarding this subject. Frankly I would much rather be thrown off this forum than leave of my own accord and allow you half-wits to continue. If andrew wants his forum to be a one-trick-pony then so be it, happily I wont be a part of it.

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