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 Post subject: Re: It was 40 years ago tonight...
PostPosted: 15 Feb 2012 6:21 am 
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That's half the problem with this forum - people make statements without any clue that they may be true/accurate or not

Now I get grouchy. I had in my mind the decade old picture of HL in some white dress, and it was not a mason's "tootoo" but a MTS'. So what? It is not at all important for RLC what HL does privately. I'm into RLC "business" since 1985. And how about you, little David? I believe I've forgotten more than you'll ever know about RLC.


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Little David? Ok well if it makes you feel better though IMO you're the only one looking small at the moment. And bully for you for being so knowledgable about RLC though it's a pity you obviously had a bit of a brain fart when it came to saying Henry was a mason eh


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 Post subject: Re: RLC
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Is there a trap door under the tall wooden cabinet in the

rectory at RLC? I read that there was.

What objects were found down there?

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Is this it?


I saw this on Facebook: apparently it aint RLC but Notre Dame de Marceille in Limoux


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 Post subject: Limoux
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I wonder what they found down there. I read the book about the secret vaults on the church`s

property. What do you think of the statement that Rhedae really refers to Limoux? There are no

tombs at notre Dame de Marceille - no reason for anyone to want to explore the lower level.

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 Post subject: Re: It was 40 years ago tonight...
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What do you think of the statement that Rhedae really refers to Limoux?


well I must say I've had my doubts about it being RLC


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 Post subject: Re: It was 40 years ago tonight...
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" Returning from Weir Wood Reservoir, where the squally winds of late February had contributed to both of my freezing capsizes, I settled into a chair with the heat turned up and flicked through the TV channels. Paul Johnstone's Chronicle programme was on one of the BBC channels and featured a story about a priest called Berenger Sauniere who had discovered the secret of a fabulous treasure hoard."
Yes, that was a long while back. But I have walked in the footsteps of the Visigoths and others who have guarded the secrets. But it is all there. The ancients have marked out the landscape in places like Grand Camp and old shepherds' huts. Nicholas Poussin must have spent some considerable time in the area to have recorded it so well.
A great 40 year journey and the answers are there.
Best wishes to all the fellow travellers. :D

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 Post subject: Re: It was 40 years ago tonight...
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That this prog appeared on BBC 2. I remember it when it was originally screened. Directly and indirectly this programme changed a lot of lives (and Dan Brown's bank balance )

http://www.rlcresearch.com/2012/01/01/t ... jerusalem/

Many thanks Corjan for retrieving it for us.

And my thanks to Pilrig for noticing the 40 years and thanks to Corjan for retriving it. I shall go away and watch it now. :D

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 Post subject: Re: It was 40 years ago tonight...
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That this prog appeared on BBC 2. I remember it when it was originally screened. Directly and indirectly this programme changed a lot of lives (and Dan Brown's bank balance )

http://www.rlcresearch.com/2012/01/01/t ... jerusalem/

Many thanks Corjan for retrieving it for us.

And my thanks to Pilrig for noticing the 40 years and thanks to Corjan for retriving it. I shall go away and watch it now. :D


You're welcome, Bill. BTW when's Keys of Antiquity getting published ?


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 Post subject: Re: Limoux
PostPosted: 16 Feb 2012 7:02 pm 
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Renne wrote:
I wonder what they found down there. I read the book about the secret vaults on the church`s

property. What do you think of the statement that Rhedae really refers to Limoux? There are no

tombs at notre Dame de Marceille - no reason for anyone to want to explore the lower level.


I've got the book about the secret vault of Notre Dame de Marceille and guess what ? I haven't read it yet ! :oops:
As regards the site of Rhedae, I used to think Camp Grand with the double walls, but other than the capitelles as far as I'm aware there are no other ancient buildings on Camp Grand so perhaps that rules that hillside out. To be honest I don't know where the site of Rhedae is.


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 Post subject: Re: It was 40 years ago tonight...
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And my thanks to Pilrig for noticing the 40 years and thanks to Corjan for retriving it. I shall go away and watch it now. :D

Yesterday I watched all 3 programs, the 12 parts. A journey into the past.


@ Bill K
as you did translate de Sede's 1967 book (which I've read btw.), I have one question to you: did you also translate the 1988 book of de Sede?
Or: who is Roger Kersey?


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 Post subject: Kersey brothers
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I really enjoyed both of De Sede`s books, Roger Kersey is Bill Kersey`s brother.

The key to it all is in that 2nd translation, re: "Guillaume". IMHO The summum bonum of the whole

matter is that Guillaume of RLC is Guillaume of Girona.

Re: The vaults of NdeM by Douzet and Coppens - you will really like that book! Many

mysteries are revealed in it.

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I`ve heard that Bill Kersey`s new book will be available on demand in a few weeks....

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 Post subject: Re: It was 40 years ago tonight...
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Thanks, Renne. I think it was mentioned before and I had forgotten it. Some may call it Alzburger ... :oops:


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 Post subject: Re: It was 40 years ago tonight...
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Sheila wrote:
never had one, never wanted one....thanks very much Pilrig but i'll pass on the link, i don't like to have preconceived ideas.


What about clues?

I'm still not sure what it is that you do believe about this Sheila, whenever I ask you you come up with some nebulous answer that makes no sense.

The Lost Treasure of Jerusalem is OK if only for a quick view of the grotto and how it has changed. But the best one is The Priest, the Painter and the Devil. for the following reasons:

1 Professor Cornford's inclusion and the information about the Pentagon in Poussin's painting.

2 The inclusion of Shugborough Hall and not only the copy of Les Bergers d'Arcadie there but a painting of the Teniers Painting which Lincoln called the St Anthony and St Jerome.

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Here's a clip from The Priest, the painter and the Devil showing the Teniers painting at Shugborough a zoomed in portion showing a Shepherd with sheep. Here St Anthony is NOT being tempted as in Shepherdess NO temptation.

Lincoln concludes that the theme of the mystery appears to be not physical treasure but the well known Cathar belief that the world is created by a the god of evil - REX MUNDI and indeed in the shepherdess parchment encoded in the text are the words - REX MUNDI. He goes on to describe the documents in the Bibliotheque National and the list of Priory Grand Masters. Now the legitimacy of the Prieure de Sion may be in question but you have to remember what it is we are trying to do here. We're not looking for the truth, we're looking for what some people BELIEVED to be the truth. Believed enough to send large amounts of money to Saunière, a priest who sat right in the heart of the Cathar Heresy.

The main clue to Saunière's sympathy to the Cathar doctrine came at his death, the cutting off of the tassels is a Bulgarian custom. The Bulgars are of course closely related to the Cathars (their other name was Bougres). Here's an interesting Bulgarian mural:

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The Bulgars defeated the Byzantines in 811 at the battle of Pliska. Here apparantly King Krum of the Bulgars is brought wine served in the skull cup of the defeated byzantine Emperor Nicephorus I. To me the picture reminds me of something else. It meant that the Bulgars could develop their own religion without byzantine influence for a long time. Krum's empire included Romania and Hungary where you'll find the Fritz Dörge Bank (It's on the eastern side of the river)

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ImageThe skull cup of Dagobert II

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Bulgaria historian's take on the Bogomils. Les Tisserands were weavers. They very likely wove the Turin Shroud.



Your refusal to look at all possibilities is willful ignorance and frankly stupid. If you ignore the Cathars then you ignore everything to do with Saunière.

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 Post subject: Re: It was 40 years ago tonight...
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I`ve heard that Bill Kersey`s new book will be available on demand in a few weeks....
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Also this should answe Eginolf's question regarding my Brother and his translations. Incidentally it was his birthday 15th February when the film came out.

My Brother Roger helped with the translation of de Sede's book 'Le tresor maaudit de RLC' and did the whole of de Sede's book that he wrote 20 years after the 'Le tresor...' to clarify a few points on the story. Also my Father did a translation of 'Le tresor... back in 1973 when I was working on the Poussin painting and that also went in to melting pot to get the best translation possible. We translated the best possible meaning not just a tranliteration (translating each word by word can sometimes downgrade the author's meaning).
There is so much in the 'Keys of Antiquity and the Ancient Cipher' that it is taking a little longer than I had anticipated (31Jan). I know I have felt that it needed to be delayed previously because there are so many things to cover but just the finishing touches, print a couple of finals for proof reading and then a good run off. I am adding more pictures at present.

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 Post subject: Keys
PostPosted: 18 Feb 2012 1:19 am 
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Hi Bill, I pre-ordered your new book on Amazon, I hope it is still available through them, I`m

so glad to hear that it will be out soon. I do enjoy your photos of the RLC area in your books!

(When I first read the NdeM book I wrote an article trying to summerize it the best I could, it`s on Google:

"Sauniere and Lovely Limoux, the Secret Vaults").

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The Limoux Carnival is mentioned in the article.

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 Post subject: Re: It was 40 years ago tonight...
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Yes, the book will be available all over. I have not gone with direct sales through my website for the last year as there are better discounts through Amazon etc. and faster deliveries. Hope to have it completed and printed in the next 3 weeks. Best wishes.

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 Post subject: Keys
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That`s great! I hope to hear from Amazon soon then. Will you get in touch with them

to say that it will be available, they told me that it was not - "only in a limited printing".

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 Post subject: Martinists at RLC
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‎"The Martinists...admired by the wise...feared by the tyrant...persecuted by the dictator...respected by the mystic...sought by the Seeker. Since the 18th century, the Martinists have been found at the very heart and center of esotericism and mystical belief in all its various expressions. While the Martinist Order is not a secret society, rarely do individual Martinists allow themselves to be seen directly; generally, only a hint of their presence is noted. Yet always, their influence is great."

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 Post subject: Re: It was 40 years ago tonight...
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Sheila wrote:
never had one, never wanted one....thanks very much Pilrig but i'll pass on the link, i don't like to have preconceived ideas.


What about clues?

I'm still not sure what it is that you do believe about this Sheila, whenever I ask you you come up with some nebulous answer that makes no sense.

The Lost Treasure of Jerusalem is OK if only for a quick view of the grotto and how it has changed. But the best one is The Priest, the Painter and the Devil. for the following reasons:

1 Professor Cornford's inclusion and the information about the Pentagon in Poussin's painting.

2 The inclusion of Shugborough Hall and not only the copy of Les Bergers d'Arcadie there but a painting of the Teniers Painting which Lincoln called the St Anthony and St Jerome.

Image
Here's a clip from The Priest, the painter and the Devil showing the Teniers painting at Shugborough a zoomed in portion showing a Shepherd with sheep. Here St Anthony is NOT being tempted as in Shepherdess NO temptation.

Lincoln concludes that the theme of the mystery appears to be not physical treasure but the well known Cathar belief that the world is created by a the god of evil - REX MUNDI and indeed in the shepherdess parchment encoded in the text are the words - REX MUNDI. He goes on to describe the documents in the Bibliotheque National and the list of Priory Grand Masters. Now the legitimacy of the Prieure de Sion may be in question but you have to remember what it is we are trying to do here. We're not looking for the truth, we're looking for what some people BELIEVED to be the truth. Believed enough to send large amounts of money to Saunière, a priest who sat right in the heart of the Cathar Heresy.

The main clue to Saunière's sympathy to the Cathar doctrine came at his death, the cutting off of the tassels is a Bulgarian custom. The Bulgars are of course closely related to the Cathars (their other name was Bougres). Here's an interesting Bulgarian mural:

Image
The Bulgars defeated the Byzantines in 811 at the battle of Pliska. Here apparantly King Krum of the Bulgars is brought wine served in the skull cup of the defeated byzantine Emperor Nicephorus I. To me the picture reminds me of something else. It meant that the Bulgars could develop their own religion without byzantine influence for a long time. Krum's empire included Romania and Hungary where you'll find the Fritz Dörge Bank (It's on the eastern side of the river)

Image

ImageThe skull cup of Dagobert II

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Bulgaria historian's take on the Bogomils. Les Tisserands were weavers. They very likely wove the Turin Shroud.



Your refusal to look at all possibilities is willful ignorance and frankly stupid. If you ignore the Cathars then you ignore everything to do with Saunière.


If you don't wish to comment on this then comment on the video. These can be seen in the second video of the Lost treasure of Jerusalem, at 3 mins in.

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The narrative says: Found under the Dalle de Chevaliers in Saunière's church.
http://rennes-le-chateau-bs.com/ADalledeschevaliers.htm

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Zoomed in on the trepanned part in the skull.

Henry de Vernet perhaps?

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"In the year one thousand seven hundred and five, on the thirtieth day of March, the death occurred, in the castle of Rennes, of Dame Anne Delsol, aged about 75 years, widow of Monsieur Marc Antoine Dupuy, of Pauligne, former treasurer of France ,…by MaÃtre Michel, curé of St. Just in my presence and with my consent she has been buried on the thirty first day of the said month in the church of this place in the Tomb of the Seigneurs which is beside the Baluster in the presence of the said MaÃtre Michel, curé of St. Just and of MaÃtre Delmas, curé of the Bains (Rennes-les-Bains) in witness whereof…”.


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‘In the year one thousand seven hundred and twenty-four, on the twenty-fourth day of October, at Rennes, in the diocese of Alet, the death occurred of the noble gentleman Henry de Vernet, lieutenant colonel of cavalry in the regiment of Ruftège, who, having received the last rites, was buried in the village church, in the Tomb of the Lords…’
- Ben Hammott

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Henry de Vernet perhaps?

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"In the year one thousand seven hundred and five, on the thirtieth day of March, the death occurred, in the castle of Rennes, of Dame Anne Delsol, aged about 75 years, widow of Monsieur Marc Antoine Dupuy, of Pauligne, former treasurer of France ,…by MaÃtre Michel, curé of St. Just in my presence and with my consent she has been buried on the thirty first day of the said month in the church of this place in the Tomb of the Seigneurs which is beside the Baluster in the presence of the said MaÃtre Michel, curé of St. Just and of MaÃtre Delmas, curé of the Bains (Rennes-les-Bains) in witness whereof…”.


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‘In the year one thousand seven hundred and twenty-four, on the twenty-fourth day of October, at Rennes, in the diocese of Alet, the death occurred of the noble gentleman Henry de Vernet, lieutenant colonel of cavalry in the regiment of Ruftège, who, having received the last rites, was buried in the village church, in the Tomb of the Lords…’
- Ben Hammott

http://benhammott.com/rennes-le-chateau-crypt.html

Interesting idea Roscoe. What I find unusual though is why would a parish register from 1694-1726 mention that the Tomb of the Seigneurs is "beside the Baluster", when the death mentioned is contemporary to the registers time. Surely either everyone would be aware of the location of the tomb or it would not be mentioned at all if it was to be kept secret. It just seems a bit convenient to me that the Captiers have a document that specifically mentions the Baluster in conjunction with the Tomb of the Seigneurs, or maybe I'm just too skeptical ?
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BULLDOGNIC wrote:
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Henry de Vernet perhaps?

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"In the year one thousand seven hundred and five, on the thirtieth day of March, the death occurred, in the castle of Rennes, of Dame Anne Delsol, aged about 75 years, widow of Monsieur Marc Antoine Dupuy, of Pauligne, former treasurer of France ,…by MaÃtre Michel, curé of St. Just in my presence and with my consent she has been buried on the thirty first day of the said month in the church of this place in the Tomb of the Seigneurs which is beside the Baluster in the presence of the said MaÃtre Michel, curé of St. Just and of MaÃtre Delmas, curé of the Bains (Rennes-les-Bains) in witness whereof…”.


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‘In the year one thousand seven hundred and twenty-four, on the twenty-fourth day of October, at Rennes, in the diocese of Alet, the death occurred of the noble gentleman Henry de Vernet, lieutenant colonel of cavalry in the regiment of Ruftège, who, having received the last rites, was buried in the village church, in the Tomb of the Lords…’
- Ben Hammott

http://benhammott.com/rennes-le-chateau-crypt.html

Interesting idea Roscoe. What I find unusual though is why would a parish register from 1694-1726 mention that the Tomb of the Seigneurs is "beside the Baluster", when the death mentioned is contemporary to the registers time. Surely either everyone would be aware of the location of the tomb or it would not be mentioned at all if it was to be kept secret. It just seems a bit convenient to me that the Captiers have a document that specifically mentions the Baluster in conjunction with the Tomb of the Seigneurs, or maybe I'm just too skeptical ?
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Thanks for that.

So the trepanned skull under the Knight's Stone? WHO?

Thought I'd put the image up from the video because most people who come on here and pontificate that they know everything won't even look at the video because it bears the label Henry Lincoln. They then come on here and start preaching to me and wonder why I ignore them.

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yeah right :roll: :D we know who that was aimed at then don't we. it might be pontificating from your point of view...and probably others, but hey, i call it having an open enquiring mind. get over it.


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yeah right :roll: :D we know who that was aimed at then don't we. it might be pontificating from your point of view...and probably others, but hey, i call it having an open enquiring mind. get over it.


You don't have an open and enquiring mind. You're another one trick pony.

But lets put that to the test.

Trepanned skull? Under the Knight's Stone? Discuss?

Over to you..............................

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wow just seen Bill K's publication date on Amazon

publication Date: 31 July 2013

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wow just seen Bill K's publication date on Amazon

publication Date: 31 July 2013

I wonder what the delay is



About bloody time. And he's leaving it late to excavate the Visigothic chamber.


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