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 Post subject: Re: Sauniere's Spell Book
PostPosted: 09 Feb 2012 5:10 am 
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Glad you said it - I did look it up but I didn't know when it was filmed so I didn't say anything.

I do have one question and that is for all of Coppens meanderings - what did have to do with "Bloodline" really. Why invoke his name into this.


Well, there had been a glitch in the production early on. Bloodline was supposed to be focused on a tomb that Douzet had claimed to find. When it failed to materialize (and Douzet disappeared) I would imagine Filip's active participation ceased. But that was well before 2008, three or four years earlier at least.

If you refer to Filip's SP webpage that describes this "tiwas"

http://www.perillos.com/chaplin_2.html

he ties the episode back to Douzet's "Perillos" model and Patrice Chaplin's 1968 letter on "Hotel Eden du Lac" stationery (the hotel that wasn't called "Hotel Eden du Lac" until 1974 and the stationery has a fax number imprinted on it).

I think we can all see where this is going. What I don't understand is why these people don't realize there are still people with long institutional memory reading their material.

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Glad you said it - I did look it up but I didn't know when it was filmed so I didn't say anything.

I do have one question and that is for all of Coppens meanderings - what did have to do with "Bloodline" really. Why invoke his name into this.


Well, there had been a glitch in the production early on. Bloodline was supposed to be focused on a tomb that Douzet had claimed to find. When it failed to materialize (and Douzet disappeared) I would imagine Filip's active participation ceased. But that was well before 2008, three or four years earlier at least.

If you refer to Filip's SP webpage that describes this "tiwas"

http://www.perillos.com/chaplin_2.html

he ties the episode back to Douzet's "Perillos" model and Patrice Chaplin's 1968 letter on "Hotel Eden du Lac" stationery (the hotel that wasn't called "Hotel Eden du Lac" until 1974 and the stationery has a fax number imprinted on it).

I think we can all see where this is going. What I don't understand is why these people don't realize there are still people with long institutional memory reading their material.

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Make of this what you will. http://www.benhammott.com/sauniere-spellbook.html

Filip Coppens mentioned this book to Isaac some three years ago, and said it was found in the attic of the Villa Bethania. Coppens then asked Isaac to take part in the Bloodline film and comment on the book in relation to the cult of the dead. He refused, as he felt there was no link to Sauniere and this book; in short, there is no evidence to prove it was Sauniere's at all.


What evidence is there to prove that Sauniere was involved in a “Cult of the Dead” apart from the usual funeral rituals and such like that all priests perform?


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Why is it that every thread is immediately destroyed by off topic stuff! I dont like the german forum as there are some stupid a....... who just want to take advantage of the information they get, this forum would be good if people wouldnt write books instead of interesting comments!
Topic was: SAUNIERES SPELL BOOK!

The ink is of course not fresh! As you can see a COPY of the book, which was made in the late 7oth or 80th, Graham Simmans took a photo of every page, and yes I think Bruce knows this copy as well! I was told that the original was stolen from Mrs. Simmans 20 yrs ago by a german researcher. He wanted to make a copy and never gave it back-bastard!


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Topic was: SAUNIERES SPELL BOOK!


Pat......i thought you were a climber/pot-holer...general all-round gung-ho beer swilling adventurer type ?.... you seem to be rather well versed in antique reproductions and all things "Hammott", does this knowledge extend to all the "team" or are you just quoting what you read on his website ?


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No, I AM at least 5 times a year in RLC, so I do not have to read Bens Website:-)))


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Aha ! ...i'll have to try and get my head round that, do you mean that "Ye Olde Arabe Spelle Booke" is common knowledge in the area of Rennes le Château...Hammott's website not withstanding ?

hmm...what i wrote comes across as a bit pompous but do you know what i mean....other than Ben's website is this book known about in the area ?


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Why is it that every thread is immediately destroyed by off topic stuff! I dont like the german forum as there are some stupid a....... who just want to take advantage of the information they get, this forum would be good if people wouldnt write books instead of interesting comments!
Topic was: SAUNIERES SPELL BOOK!

The ink is of course not fresh! As you can see a COPY of the book, which was made in the late 7oth or 80th, Graham Simmans took a photo of every page, and yes I think Bruce knows this copy as well! I was told that the original was stolen from Mrs. Simmans 20 yrs ago by a german researcher. He wanted to make a copy and never gave it back-bastard!


I'm sorry, Pat, but the reputations of people promoting said "finds" are very much on-topic. Once you begin a thread you're not really in a position to control the dialogue.

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I guess none of this should come as a shock to anyone - it's basically a no-brainer at this stage but this Graham Simman's guy is:-

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Simmans, Graham 1919-2005
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Born 1919; died 2005.

CAREER:
Archaeologist and historian. Military service: British Royal Air Force officer and squadron leader.

WRITINGS:
(With Mary Hopkins, Tim Wallace-Murphy, and Marilyn Hopkins) Rex Deus: The True Mystery of Rennes-le-Château, Element Books, 2000.

Jesus after the Crucifixion: From Jerusalem to Rennes-le-Château, Bear (Rochester, VT), 2007.

SIDELIGHTS:
Graham Simmans was born in 1919. During his life Simmans traveled around the world, working with security and intelligence agencies. During World War II he served with the British Royal Air Force as …


Given the close relationship between the Rex Deus authors and the soi-disant "Prince Michael of Albany", you might want to check out the IBSSA - International Bodyguard and Security Services Association - for which "His Royal Highness" served as Honorary President before his unfortunate disgrace in 2006.

http://www.ibssa.org/index.php?article_id=244

He's mentioned here in their news archive. They've had enough sense to expunge all references to Lafosse on their main website, except for the few photos of him they've left in their gallery.

And be sure to have a look at their executive structure and membership rolls, Rain - more Romanians and Hungarians than you can shake a stick at!

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 Post subject: Re: Sauniere's Spell Book
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Is it similar to "The Necronomicon" being translated "names of the dead" as it is also a book

of incantations? The original of the RLC book of spells was deemed to be dangerous by the Muslim

appraisers who kept it for religious reasons. Like the Sot Pecheur and Ben`s notes, it is written in

red ink in some places. Sauniere belonged to the Lodge of Memphis Mizraim which was the lodge of

the Egyptologists. Egyptology would have included esoteric Arabic books.

NECRONOMICON INCANTATIONS REFERENCES

"Original title Al Azif - azif being the word used by the Arabs to designate that nocturnal sound (made by insects) supposed to be the howling of daemons.
Composed by Abdul Alhazred, a mad poet of Sanaá, in Yemen, who is said to have flourished during the period of the Ommiade caliphs, circa 700 A. D. He visited the ruins of Babylon & the subterranean secret of Memphis & spent ten years alone in the great southern desert of Arabia - the Roba El Khaliyeh or "Empty Space" of the ancients - & "Dahna" or "Crimson" desert of the modern Arabs, which is held to be inhabited by protective evil spirits & monsters of death. Of this desert many strange & unbelievable marvels are told by those who pretend to have penetrated it. In his last years Alhazred dwelt in Damascus, where the Necronomicon (Al Azif) was written, & of his final death or disappearance (738 A. D.) Many terrible & conflicting things are told. He is said by Ebn Khallikan (12th cent. biographer) to have been seized by an invisible monster in broad daylight & devoured horribly before a large number of fright-frozen witnesses. Of his madness many things are told. He claimed to have been the fabulous Irem, or City of Pillars, & to have found beneath the ruins of a certain nameless desert town the shocking annals & secrets of a race older than mankind. He was only an indifferent Moslem, worshipping unknown entities whom he called Yog-Sothoth & Cthulhu.

In A. D. 950 the Azif, which had gained a considerable tho' surreptitious circulation among the philosophers of the age, was secretly translated into Greek by Theodorus Philetas of Constantinople under the title Necronomicon. For a century it impelled certain experimenters to terrible attempts, when it was suppressed and burnt by the patriarch Michael. After this it is only heard of furtively, but (1228) Olaus Wormius made a Latin translation later in the Middle Ages, & the Latin text was printed twice - one in the 15th century in black-letter (evidently in Germany) & once in the 17th - (prob. Spanish) both editions being without identifying marks, & located as to time & place by internal typographical evidence only. The work (both Latin & Gk.) was banned by Pope Gregory IX in 1232, shortly after its Latin translation, which called attention to it. The Arabic original was lost as early as Wormius' time as indicated by his prefatory note & no sight of the Greek copy (which was printed in Italy bet. 1500 & 1550) has been reported since the burning of a certain Salem man's library in 1692. A translation made by Dr. Dee was never printed, & exists only in fragments recovered from the original MS. Of the Latin texts now existing one (15th cent.) is known to be in the British Museum under lock & key, while another (17th cent.) is in the Bibliotheque Nationale at Paris. A 17th cent. edition is in the Widener Library at Harvard, & in the library of Miskatonic University at Arkham. Also in the library of the Univ. of Buenos Ayres. Numerous other copies probably exist in secret, & a 15th century one is persistently rumoured to form part of the collection of a celebrated American millionaire. A still vaguer rumour credits the preservation of a 16th cent. Greek text in the Salem family of Pickman; but if it was so preserved, it vanished with the artist R. U. Pickman, who disappeared early in 1926. The book is rapidly suppressed by the authorities of most countries, & by all the branches of organized ecclesiasticism. Reading leads to terrible consequences. It was from rumours of this book (of which relatively few of the general public know) that R. W. Chambers is said to have derived the idea of his early novel "The King in Yellow".

H. P. Lovecraft

I wouldn`t expect a Hebrew scholar like Isaac to have anything to do with an Arabic book of spells. As for Filip, his work is fascinating and informative.


Did you miss the recent thread about the Necronomicon being a fiction? The entire quote from Lovecraft above is fiction - he made it up - it isn't even based on anything particularly.

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PostPosted: 09 Feb 2012 8:42 pm 
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I guess none of this should come as a shock to anyone - it's basically a no-brainer at this stage but this Graham Simman's guy is:-

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Simmans, Graham 1919-2005
PERSONAL:
Born 1919; died 2005.

CAREER:
Archaeologist and historian. Military service: British Royal Air Force officer and squadron leader.

WRITINGS:
(With Mary Hopkins, Tim Wallace-Murphy, and Marilyn Hopkins) Rex Deus: The True Mystery of Rennes-le-Château, Element Books, 2000.

Jesus after the Crucifixion: From Jerusalem to Rennes-le-Château, Bear (Rochester, VT), 2007.

SIDELIGHTS:
Graham Simmans was born in 1919. During his life Simmans traveled around the world, working with security and intelligence agencies. During World War II he served with the British Royal Air Force as …

aka "the mole" , his tunnelling in RLC was legendary. Rex Deus - still haven't got round to reading it.


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Pilrig wrote:
rain wrote:
I guess none of this should come as a shock to anyone - it's basically a no-brainer at this stage but this Graham Simman's guy is:-

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Simmans, Graham 1919-2005
PERSONAL:
Born 1919; died 2005.

CAREER:
Archaeologist and historian. Military service: British Royal Air Force officer and squadron leader.

WRITINGS:
(With Mary Hopkins, Tim Wallace-Murphy, and Marilyn Hopkins) Rex Deus: The True Mystery of Rennes-le-Château, Element Books, 2000.

Jesus after the Crucifixion: From Jerusalem to Rennes-le-Château, Bear (Rochester, VT), 2007.

SIDELIGHTS:
Graham Simmans was born in 1919. During his life Simmans traveled around the world, working with security and intelligence agencies. During World War II he served with the British Royal Air Force as …

aka "the mole" , his tunnelling in RLC was legendary. Rex Deus - still haven't got round to reading it.


Henri Buthion was a big tunneller as well; I think he did the one you can still see by the ticket office. Died in 2000, in very straitened circumstances, having spent his last years living in a boarding house in the other Rennes, in Britanny.


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The Necronomicon by Abdul Alhazred
The reader will find English translations of the Sumerian charms as they are given in the NECRONOMICON. Not all of the charms are avaliable in this way , ...
H.P. Lovecraft based his book on others which did exist.

The Picatrix
The Picatrix is widely believed to be a book of early Arabic magic. Originally written in Arabic, the Picatrix was one of the first and most important texts written about astrological magic. It also holds the distinction of being one of the largest grimoire in history. Although it is impossible to confirm who actually originally wrote it, it is frequently contributed to Andalusian mathematician Ahmad Al-Majriti. It was translated into Latin in 1256 and went on to become extremely influential on Western magic, being used even by Renaissance mages like Cornelius Agrippa and Marsilio Ficino. It contained spells that ranged from “how to destroy a city with the Ray of Silence” to “how to influence men from a distance.” The text also had a list of magic images and detailed their uses. Frequently this would take the form of engraving the images of stars on specific objects.

"The Sworn Book of Honorious"
The Liber Juratus claims to be the product of a conference of magicians who wanted to consolidate all of their knowledge into one text in order to save them from persecution be Church officials. At the time, the Church was trying to destroy all books of magic. In fact, one of the reasons why authentic grimoire are so rare was because the Church was so efficient at discovering and burning them. The text is presented as a conversation with the angel Hochmel. The word “Hochmel” is a version of the Hebrew work “Chockmah” (wisdom). The book spans 93 chapters and a wide array of subjects, such as how to conjure and control demons, how to discover treasure, and how to save one’s soul from purgatory. One of the major features of the Liber Juratus is its methods for gaining the “Beatific Vision” where one receives a vision of the Face of God.
This book was used by the society in Girona of which Sauniere was a member.

The Heptameron of Peter de Abano
The Heptameron of Peter de Abano was written by noted Italian philosopher and astrologer Pietro de Abano who died in prison during the Inquisition on claims of heresy and atheism. He lived from 1250-1316, but his Heptameron wasn’t published until the late 1400s. The text is a manual of planetary magic. It details the rites for summoning angels for each of the seven days of the week. It also contains instructions for the creation of magic circles, the consecrations of salt, water, and incense, and planetary hours. This grimoire was especially important as it influenced the Lemegeton, a famous 17th century book on demonology.

This would explain why Sauniere`s Book of Spells was hidden in the wall.

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PostPosted: 10 Feb 2012 3:10 am 
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TCP wrote:
rain wrote:
I guess none of this should come as a shock to anyone - it's basically a no-brainer at this stage but this Graham Simman's guy is:-

Quote:
Simmans, Graham 1919-2005
PERSONAL:
Born 1919; died 2005.

CAREER:
Archaeologist and historian. Military service: British Royal Air Force officer and squadron leader.

WRITINGS:
(With Mary Hopkins, Tim Wallace-Murphy, and Marilyn Hopkins) Rex Deus: The True Mystery of Rennes-le-Château, Element Books, 2000.

Jesus after the Crucifixion: From Jerusalem to Rennes-le-Château, Bear (Rochester, VT), 2007.

SIDELIGHTS:
Graham Simmans was born in 1919. During his life Simmans traveled around the world, working with security and intelligence agencies. During World War II he served with the British Royal Air Force as …


Given the close relationship between the Rex Deus authors and the soi-disant "Prince Michael of Albany", you might want to check out the IBSSA - International Bodyguard and Security Services Association - for which "His Royal Highness" served as Honorary President before his unfortunate disgrace in 2006.

http://www.ibssa.org/index.php?article_id=244

He's mentioned here in their news archive. They've had enough sense to expunge all references to Lafosse on their main website, except for the few photos of him they've left in their gallery.

And be sure to have a look at their executive structure and membership rolls, Rain - more Romanians and Hungarians than you can shake a stick at!

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Damn it, now I have to re-read the book. I liked it BUT I don't for one second think Simmans wasn't playing along.

I checked out the website noticed the Bourbonite. What happened to fairytale princes on White horses?

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aka "the mole" , his tunnelling in RLC was legendary. Rex Deus - still haven't got round to reading it.


I enjoyed reading it, it's fiction but it still resonated a little bit more then other books I've read.

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Henri Buthion was a big tunneller as well; I think he did the one you can still see by the ticket office. Died in 2000, in very straitened circumstances, having spent his last years living in a boarding house in the other Rennes, in Britanny.


Sorry, what did you mean by straitened circumstances, Richard? I'm not familiar with the term.

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Well I for one would not be surprised there is a "spell book at Rennes"
and Sauniere had knowledge of the occult

this says it all

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a bit of caution
these old magic books should be handled carefully by someone who knows what their doing

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Henri Buthion was a big tunneller as well; I think he did the one you can still see by the ticket office. Died in 2000, in very straitened circumstances, having spent his last years living in a boarding house in the other Rennes, in Britanny.


Sorry, what did you mean by straitened circumstances, Richard? I'm not familiar with the term.


Broke, penniless, on his uppers ...


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Henri Buthion was a big tunneller as well; I think he did the one you can still see by the ticket office. Died in 2000, in very straitened circumstances, having spent his last years living in a boarding house in the other Rennes, in Britanny.


Sorry, what did you mean by straitened circumstances, Richard? I'm not familiar with the term.


Broke, penniless, on his uppers ...


Oh thanks, I've never heard that word before. Poor Henri.

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Simmans, Graham 1919-2005 (...) During his life Simmans traveled around the world, working with security and intelligence agencies. During World War II he served with the British Royal Air Force as …

Well ... just one thing. When I met Graham in RLC in Ocober 1993 we had quite a long chat. And right there he told me that he's worked for MI5, that he has been into 66 egyptian pyramids, and the like. Now, if I would be a british man and would have worked for MI5 (or MI6 or whatever) I would not tell it to a long haired stranger from Hitler country whom I just met an hour ago. :wink:

My guess: he was working as a clerk for MI5.


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Simmans, Graham 1919-2005 (...) During his life Simmans traveled around the world, working with security and intelligence agencies. During World War II he served with the British Royal Air Force as …

Well ... just one thing. When I met Graham in RLC in Ocober 1993 we had quite a long chat. And right there he told me that he's worked for MI5, that he has been into 66 egyptian pyramids, and the like. Now, if I would be a british man and would have worked for MI5 (or MI6 or whatever) I would not tell it to a long haired stranger from Hitler country whom I just met an hour ago. :wink:

My guess: he was working as a clerk for MI5.


The best way to hide a lie is in a truth - he was only telling you the partial truth. He wasn't just a clerk and he wouldn't have worked for local - he would have worked for the occult propaganda unit or international retrieval which is MI8 or something that's not supposed to exist. He was in the RAF. Not mention it wouldn't have been hard for you to find out that worked for military during the war - which means he said that so you wouldn't check further and if you did you would have thought it was a mistake.

I didn't remember his name so I googled "specific" search terms for the reference. It's pretty obvious what he was.
Not to mention he's a tunneller - most people if not all don't touch the tunnels unless they know something and know what they're looking for.

I would say the 66 egyptian pyramids was to prompt you to say something - which I assume you didn't.
So he suspected you Eginolf. :mrgreen: Which maybe you suspected all along. :lol:

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Rex Deus - still haven't got round to reading it.


Here's a heads up for you mate...

2000 saw the publication of this new ‘startlingly original’ book, entitled Rex Deus: Was Jesus Christ the founder of a dynasty that is still with us today?

According to the authors Marilyn Hopkins, Graham Simmans, and Tim Wallace-Murphy, the book supposedly contained an ‘explosive revelation’ ‘that could rock the Christian Church to its foundations’ and expose ‘a conspiracy that spans the centuries involving a sacred bloodline’! The lucid reader might note that a centuries old conspiracy supposedly involving a sacred bloodline that could rock ‘the Church’ to its foundations was already old news in 2000. Perhaps Hopkins, Simmans, and Wallace-Murphy hoped people had simply forgotten about Holy Blood, Holy Grail?! After all it had been written almost two decades earlier.

Wallace-Murphy, Hopkins, and Simmans simply go over the same ground as that covered nearly two decades before in Holy Blood, Holy Grail, but simplify the claims for people who wouldn’t normally read a weighty ‘non-fiction’ book. However they refuse to accept the claims of Pierre Plantard and his Priory of Sion, and condemn Baigent, Lincoln and Leigh for being foolish enough to do so. Instead Hopkins, Simmans, and Wallace-Murphy accept the claims of ‘Michael’, a ‘rational, sane and totally sincere’ ‘middle-aged man’ that Wallace-Murphy claims he supposedly met after a Saunière Society lecture. ‘Michael’ stated that he and others were, through Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene, descended from the Jewish Davidic and Hasmonean royal dynasty and the twenty-four High-Priests of the Temple of Solomon. The hidden dynasty called itself the Rex Deus. The knowledge of this secret dynasty had been passed on ‘from father to selected son or daughter’ since biblical times:

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‘When his father first broached the subject of Rex Deus, Michael was in his mid-teens and was therefore capable of understanding the broader terms of the story he was to hear and, more importantly, was of an age when an oath of secrecy would have some meaning. After taking the oath he heard, for the very first time, the story that [Hopkins, Simmans, and Wallace-Murphy] are now about to tell. He was informed that appropriate documentation in the form of family genealogies was hidden in a secret drawer in an old family bureau and that after his father’s death it would be Michael’s sacred duty to keep the genealogies up to date and to pass on the secret to the most suitable of his children. He was also to prepare himself and his chosen child to act in collaboration with other members of the Rex Deus families when asked to do so. His obedience to their requests was to be total and unquestioning. All this under an oath of secrecy, within which the penalty for transgression would be death. This was an enormous burden to lay on the shoulders of one so young. Sadly, Michael’s father died suddenly some years later and by the time he returned to the family home he found that the bureau and all it contained had been appropriated by a brother. Bound by his oath of secrecy, he could never explain why he wanted it back and, despite his best efforts, he has not seen that piece of furniture nor its contents from that day to this and he has reason to believe that his brother sold the bureau, an antique of some value, blissfully unaware of its contents’



Is it just me, or does this tale told by ‘Michael’ about the ‘lost genealogies’ seem utterly preposterous? This supposed descendent of Jesus Christ couldn’t think of anyway at all to get back ‘priceless genealogies’ that ‘proved’ this incredible bloodline, and instead let his ‘brother’ sell the cabinet in which the ‘genealogies’ were ‘hidden’. It beggars belief that any individual, much less three individuals, could believe such nonsensical drivel. A cursory glance at even those few sentences from Rex Deus reproduced here would seem to make it patently obvious that it is all complete fantasy. The knowledge of this secret dynasty was supposedly passed on ‘from father to selected son or daughter’ since biblical times. If the knowledge of the supposed ‘sacred bloodline of the Rex Deus’ was passed on to select son or daughter then the correct sequence would be ‘from father or mother to select son or daughter’. This may seem like a minor quibble but these are the type of mistakes that fantasists commonly make simply because the fantasy is not based on fact! ‘Michael’ also supposedly broke his sworn oath of secrecy ‘may his heart be torn out or may his throat be cut’ by spilling the beans about the so-called Rex Deus to Hopkins, Simmans, and Wallace-Murphy, yet couldn’t get back his supposedly priceless genealogies because he was ‘bound by his oath of secrecy’. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Sauniere's Spell Book
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IMHO the best way to hide a lie is to tell it to credulous idiots...

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‘When his father first broached the subject of Rex Deus, Michael was in his mid-teens and was therefore capable of understanding the broader terms of the story he was to hear and, more importantly, was of an age when an oath of secrecy would have some meaning. After taking the oath he heard, for the very first time, the story that [Hopkins, Simmans, and Wallace-Murphy] are now about to tell. He was informed that appropriate documentation in the form of family genealogies was hidden in a secret drawer in an old family bureau and that after his father’s death it would be Michael’s sacred duty to keep the genealogies up to date and to pass on the secret to the most suitable of his children. He was also to prepare himself and his chosen child to act in collaboration with other members of the Rex Deus families when asked to do so. His obedience to their requests was to be total and unquestioning. All this under an oath of secrecy, within which the penalty for transgression would be death. This was an enormous burden to lay on the shoulders of one so young. Sadly, Michael’s father died suddenly some years later and by the time he returned to the family home he found that the bureau and all it contained had been appropriated by a brother. Bound by his oath of secrecy, he could never explain why he wanted it back and, despite his best efforts, he has not seen that piece of furniture nor its contents from that day to this and he has reason to believe that his brother sold the bureau, an antique of some value, blissfully unaware of its contents’



Is it just me, or does this tale told by ‘Michael’ about the ‘lost genealogies’ seem utterly preposterous? This supposed descendent of Jesus Christ couldn’t think of anyway at all to get back ‘priceless genealogies’ that ‘proved’ this incredible bloodline, and instead let his ‘brother’ sell the cabinet in which the ‘genealogies’ were ‘hidden’.

No, not just you.
It is a sequence that doesn't fit with the picture. When I read that part about 10 years ago it caused me a laugh. First of all I wouldn't believe what I've just been reading. :evil: :evil: :roll:

IIRC TCP knows alot about "Prince Michael". AFAIK the "Prince" vanished ...


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 Post subject: Re: Sauniere's Spell Book
PostPosted: 11 Feb 2012 10:52 am 
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Spartacus wrote:
Is it just me, or does this tale told by ‘Michael’ about the ‘lost genealogies’ seem utterly preposterous? This supposed descendent of Jesus Christ couldn’t think of anyway at all to get back ‘priceless genealogies’ that ‘proved’ this incredible bloodline, and instead let his ‘brother’ sell the cabinet in which the ‘genealogies’ were ‘hidden’.


Eginolf wrote:
No, not just you.
It is a sequence that doesn't fit with the picture. When I read that part about 10 years ago it caused me a laugh. First of all I wouldn't believe what I've just been reading.

IIRC TCP knows alot about "Prince Michael". AFAIK the "Prince" vanished ...


Hi Egi,

I know quite a bit about Lafosse myself, having followed his career closely. I even attempted to 'put him to the question' on occasion. I also regularly attended Saunière Society gatherings. However, I wasn't aware that Hopkins, Simmans, and Wallace-Murphy had actually admitted that their 'Michael' was actually Lafosse. When I questioned them directly about it they refused to comment on the issue. Nevertheless I had always assumed that the Rex Deus 'Michael' was Lafosse, which of course makes the book even more of a stuffed turkey IMHO...

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