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Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Roscoe wrote:

Spurtipants Parrokeet just recycles the questions over and over again that has been already answered for him. He doesn't like the answers so he attempts to redeem his lack of moral fortitude by asking the same questions over and over again. I guess he thinks that this will somehow tie me down.

You're still ducking and diving furiously, Roscoe, and fooling no one, not even yourself! I keep asking the same questions because you have steadfastly refused to answer those questions.

As far as I can discern, you have denied being an Anti-Semite propagandist by 'arguing' that you are instead an Anti-Zionist. And that because non-Jews have supported Zionism, and you hate them equally, you're clearly not an Anti-Semite. Have I got that right?

I'm not sure (it's hard to follow your posts) but are you also saying that Zionist's are running drugs, and performing human sacrificing on particular pagan festivals (or something along those lines)? You've also ranted on incoherently about the Illuminati and Nazis and the Bushies, and something about the stars.

Unfortunately I know nothing about stars, so I have absolutely no idea what you're ranting on about. As an aid to try and understand what it is that has you so frightened, I have asked you a series of questions that will help explain to me what it is you keep banging on about on this forum.

The question are simple and straightforward. If you are so convinced of the legitimacy of your position, you should have no problem answering these question with a straightforward yes/no/ or even a 'yes but'/'no but' answer.

As such, I will repeat those question one more time, and see if you actually believe enough in yourself to simply answer those questions in an honest manner (keep in mind that you continually ridicule people for not having the intellect or the courage to answer direct questions):

Are you claiming that you are not Anti-Semitic - but rather that you are Anti-Zionist?

Are you claiming that the Zionist movement is a front for the Bavarian Illuminati founded by Adam Weishaupt on May 1, 1776?

Are you claiming that the so-called 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion' is a legitimate Illuminati/Zionist blueprint for world domination ('re-worked' by Joly)?

Are you claiming that Zionism itself is a front for the 'New World Order' conspiracy?

Are you claiming that the Priory of Sion itself is an Illuminati/Zionist front?

And can you explain (in simple, straightforward terms) what any of this has to do with Rennes-le-Chateau?

(This last question would seem particularly worthy of your attention considering your increasingly worryingly obsessive behavior on the 'Crista' thread :!:

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Crimson_Ghost · **Posted:** 01 Feb 2012 1:34 pm

roscoe wrote:

Another one blown away to a used husk. tried to trip me up and got spanked.

Will the next smart arse please sign in.

Please show me where my question

"What has the Crista got to do with Rennes le Chateau?"

has been answered?

Roscoe how does your RlC solution theory tie directly to Sauniere and can you use an example to prove it?

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

I think that some people need an aptitude test to come onto these forums.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Are you claiming that you are not Anti-Semitic

That's right. Unlike most of the western world I like ARABS.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

- but rather that you are Anti-Zionist?

Absolutely. Me and the United Nations. So are these people http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Are you claiming that the Zionist movement is a front for the Bavarian Illuminati founded by Adam Weishaupt on May 1, 1776?

Ever heard the phrase if you want to know what's going on then follow the money? Well -------->The Rothschild's

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Are you claiming that the so-called 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion' is a legitimate Illuminati/Zionist blueprint for world domination ('re-worked' by Joly)?

Reworked by a few including Sergei Nilus.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Are you claiming that Zionism itself is a front for the 'New World Order' conspiracy?

Well it does seem that the United Nations security council has a bias towards the Zionist state of Israel. There are currently 64 resolutions condemning Israel. They had one against Saddam Hussien and that was enough to attack him.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Are you claiming that the Priory of Sion itself is an Illuminati/Zionist front?

Paul Smith will tell you all about Plantard's right wing leanings. And of course it is a fact that the Zionist flag was the only other flag besides the swastika to fly in the Third Reich. Without the Zionist Congress Hitler would not have had the finance to make it to power.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

And can you explain (in simple, straightforward terms) what any of this has to do with Rennes-le-Chateau?

Saunière was a royalist. The first world war started with the assassination of a Hapsburg. Members of the Hapsburg family visited Rennes le Chateau. Incidently the leader of the Black Hand Gang Dragutin Dimitrijević called himself APIS - The Bee

Now it appears that most people have it locked into their stupid brain that the Protocols of Sion are a fake. Notice I used the word Sion here. That's because the protocols are signed at the bottom.

"Signed by the representatives of the Sion of the 33rd Degree"

Almost all references to the Protocols leave this out. Now here's how Holy Blood Holy Grail sums up the Protocols of Sion:

Quote:

On the basis of prolonged and systematic research, we reached the conclusions about the ‘Protocols of the elders of Sion’. They are as follows:

1. There was an original text on which the published version of the Protocols was based. This original text was not a forgery. On the contrary it was authentic. But it had nothing whatsoever to do with Judaism or an ‘International Jewish conspiracy’. It issued rather from some Masonic organization or Masonically oriented secret society which incorporated the ‘Sion’.

2. The original text on which the published version of the Protocols was based need not have been provocative or inflammatory in it language. But it may well have included a programme for gaining power, for infiltrating Freemasonry, for controlling social, political and economic institutions. Such a programme would have been perfectly in keeping with the secret societies of the Renaissance, as well as with the Compagne du Saint-Sacrement and the institutions of Andrea and Nodier.

3. The original text on which the published version of the Protocols was based fell into the hands of Sergei Nilus. Nilus did not at first intend it to discredit Judaism. On the contrary, he brought it to the czar with the intention of discrediting the esoteric enclave at the imperial court – the enclave of Papus, Monsieur Philippe and others who were members of the secret society in question. Before doing so, he almost certainly doctored the language, rendering it more venomous and inflammatory than it initially was. They had failed in their primary objective of compromising Papus and Monsieur Philippe. But they might still serve a secondary purpose - that of fostering anti-Semitism. Although Nilus’s chief targets had been Papus and Monsieur Philippe, he was hostile to Judaism as well

4. The published version of the Protocols is not, therefore, a totally fabricated text. It is rather a radically altered text. But despite the alterations certain vestiges of the original text can be discerned – as in a palimpsest, or as in passages in the Bible. These vestiges – which referred to king, a pope, an international church, and to Sion – probably meant little or nothing to Nilus. He certainly would not invented them himself. But if they were already there, he would have no reason, given his ignorance, to excise them. And while such vestiges might have been irrelevant to Judaism, they might have been extremely relevant to a secret society. As we learned subsequently, they were – and still are – of paramount importance to the Prieuré de Sion.

LINK

The Protocols calls for a descendant of King David to lead the world. (Sound Familiar?)

Representatives of Sion of the 33rd Degree? Does that sound Jewish to you? The Jews haven't bothered themselves with Royalty for centuries.

The 33rd Degree and Sion can only represent one set of people

Le Chevaliers Bienfaisants de la Cite Sainte. (otherwise known as the Scottish Rite Freemasons). There are indications that this movement was active in the Rennes le Chateau Rennes les Bains area. The Priory of Sion is merely a public front for this movement.

Their Grand Master in America was Albert Pike. Now Pike was a genius, utterly evil but a genius.

In 1871, Pike published the 861 page Masonic handbook known as the Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry.

After Mazzini's (successor to Weishaupt) death on March 11, 1872, Pike appointed Adriano Lemmi (1822-1896, 33rd degree Mason), a banker from Florence, Italy, to run the Illuminati's subversive activities in Europe. Lemmi was a supporter of patriot and revolutionary Giuseppe Garibaldi, and may have been active in the Luciferian Society founded by Pike. Lemmi, in turn, was succeeded by Lenin and Trotsky, then by Stalin. The revolutionary activities of all these men were financed by British, French, German, and American international bankers; all of them dominated by the House of Rothschild.

Between 1859 and 1871, Pike worked out a military blueprint for three world wars and various revolutions throughout the world which he considered would forward the conspiracy to its final stage in the 20th Century.

In addition to the Supreme Council in Charleston, South Carolina, Pike established Supreme Councils in Rome, Italy (led by Mazzini); London, England (led by Palmerston); and Berlin, Germany (led by Bismarck). He set up 23 subordinate councils in strategic places throughout the world, including five Grand Central Directories in Washington, DC (North America), Montevideo (South America), Naples (Europe), Calcutta (Asia), and Mauritius (Africa), which were used to gather information. All of these branches have been the secret headquarters for the Illuminati's activities ever since.

Here are extracts of a letter sent by Pike to Mazzini:

Quote:

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions." 2

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

Note: Some detractors who argue that the terms Nazism and Zionism were not known in 1871 should remember that the Illuminati invented both these movements. In addition, Communism as an ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before the French Revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau - as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.)

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Incidently Lynn Picknett thinks Lucifer is the bees knees. http://www.picknettprince.com/books/sec ... ucifer.htm

"The goddess Diana, whose title was Lucifera, the Lightbringer"
Twin sister of Apollo - The Sun God

Both Born in DELOS. Offspring of Leto and Zeus conceived whilst he was in the shape of a swan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pldzo1Elz0

Drawn by Jean Richer, French professor of literature with a special interest in symbolism in the late 1950s,
He wrote
"Sacred Geography of the Ancient Greeks: Astrological Symbolism in Art, Architecture, and Landscape"
I have it here. On the back it starts

"This book provides proof of the existence and explains the significance of planned alignments between classical temples and oracle sites over a wide range of territory, pointing to an astrological system of planning in the ancient world"

The Feast of Diana is during the feast of the Transfiguration or Lughnasagh.
Date
6:8:1681

"Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!" -Illustrious Albert Pike 33° - Morals and Dogma

The Morning Star is Venus whose orbit as seen from the earth appears to describe a Pentacle when plotted on a Heliocentric model then a geocentric model. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFDBeTdP ... re=related

Lynn Picknett & Clive Prince with Ron Howard the director of The Da Vinci Code. Taken during filming
A film about a professor in France with a special interest in Symbolism

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

(This last question would seem particularly worthy of your attention considering your increasingly worryingly obsessive behavior on the 'Crista' thread :!:

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Yes well the problem here is that every time someone asks these things I answer. The fact that they don't like the answers is their problem not mine hence they keep recycling the question thinking I'm going to trip up or something. However whenever I ask what the Crista has to do with Rennes le Chateau NO ANSWER AT ALL IS FORTHCOMING. In fact it is a guaranteed ploy I can use to make them instantly shut up about the Crista. Of course after a few days their OCD condition kicks in again and they start up where they left off.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

Crimson_Ghost wrote:

roscoe wrote:

Another one blown away to a used husk. tried to trip me up and got spanked.

Will the next smart arse please sign in.

Please show me where my question

"What has the Crista got to do with Rennes le Chateau?"

has been answered?

Roscoe how does your RlC solution theory tie directly to Sauniere and can you use an example to prove it?

For the answer to that you may well be better off asking Guy Patton. I do agree with most of what Patton says.

I think that the key to this is Saunière's leanings towards his roots and the Occult and his and Boudet's knowledge of the astrological alignments that surrounded them both.

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Roscoe wrote:

Here are extracts of a letter sent by Pike to Mazzini:

Quote:

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions." 2

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

Note: Some detractors who argue that the terms Nazism and Zionism were not known in 1871 should remember that the Illuminati invented both these movements. In addition, Communism as an ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before the French Revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau - as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.)

I'm busy now, so I'll come back to the rest of what you wrote, but the 'Three World Wars' letter supposedly sent by Pike to Mazzini on April 15th 1871 is a hoax :roll:

This letter was supposedly on display in the British Museum Library in London, where it was supposedly copied by William Guy Carr, former Intelligence Officer in the Royal Canadian Navy... Why don't you start from there?

Davinho · **Joined:** 26 Jan 2010 10:58 am **Posts:** 1799

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I'm busy now, so I'll come back to the rest of what you wrote, but the 'Three World Wars' letter supposedly sent by Pike to Mazzini on April 15th 1871 is a hoax

this is the whole problem with things like this and the Protocals. People cite it as evidence without any concrete proof that their evidence is valid. People will then cite the people that cited the bad evidence as reference points for their own confirmations. It all goes around in ever increasing circles after that. It's remarkable how many conspiracy theorist writers use other conspiracy theory writers as references....that just does not make sense.

hotspur · **Joined:** 19 Feb 2011 12:02 pm **Posts:** 1451

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

I'm busy now, so I'll come back to the rest of what you wrote, but the 'Three World Wars' letter supposedly sent by Pike to Mazzini on April 15th 1871 is a hoax :roll:

This letter was supposedly on display in the British Museum Library in London, where it was supposedly copied by William Guy Carr, former Intelligence Officer in the Royal Canadian Navy... Why don't you start from there?

Thanks for pointing this out SP.

See: http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/carr.html

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

hotspur wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

I'm busy now, so I'll come back to the rest of what you wrote, but the 'Three World Wars' letter supposedly sent by Pike to Mazzini on April 15th 1871 is a hoax :roll:

This letter was supposedly on display in the British Museum Library in London, where it was supposedly copied by William Guy Carr, former Intelligence Officer in the Royal Canadian Navy... Why don't you start from there?

Thanks for pointing this out SP.

See: http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/carr.html

Thanks Hotspur. If you're interested in understanding how frightened, credulous idiots like Roscoe create their fantasy narratives, you should read this:

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Articles/Pike-Mazzini_Three-World-Wars.htm

I don't think I can sum it up better than Davinho:

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this is the whole problem with things like this and the Protocals. People cite it as evidence without any concrete proof that their evidence is valid. People will then cite the people that cited the bad evidence as reference points for their own confirmations. It all goes around in ever increasing circles after that. It's remarkable how many conspiracy theorist writers use other conspiracy theory writers as references....that just does not make sense.

Well, it does make sense if you are desperate to believe this nonsense, and desperate to avoid a true critical examination of your very own, all-encompassing fantasy world...

I have one further question for you, Roscoe:

Do you also believe that Lizard People from the Hollow Earth are the real leaders of the Illuminati/Zionist conspiracy?

Regards,

Spartacus

TCP · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2012 6:35 pm

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

I have one further question for you, Roscoe:

Do you also believe that Lizard People from the Hollow Earth are the real leaders of the Illuminati/Zionist conspiracy?

TCP

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

TCP wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

I have one further question for you, Roscoe:

Do you also believe that Lizard People from the Hollow Earth are the real leaders of the Illuminati/Zionist conspiracy?

TCP

Hi Tim,

You look great in this photo;

I have to ask... When was it taken? How long have you been a member of the Illuminati? And, are you a lizard person?

:mrgreen:

Regards,

Spartacus

Caelum · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2012 7:48 pm

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Do you also believe that Lizard People from the Hollow Earth are the real leaders of the Illuminati/Zionist conspiracy?

Regards,

Spartacus

They're actually more closely related to crocodiles.

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Roscoe's nonsensical gibberish is worth examining for a number of reasons IMHO. Here's what he wrote above:

Roscoe wrote:

Here are extracts of a letter sent by Pike to Mazzini:

Quote:

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions." 2

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

Note: Some detractors who argue that the terms Nazism and Zionism were not known in 1871 should remember that the Illuminati invented both these movements. In addition, Communism as an ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before the French Revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau - as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.)

Notice that Roscoe claims that the above idiocy is an 'extract' from the supposed 'Three World Wars' letter supposedly sent in 1871. Because of the absurdity of the claim that this is a genuine quote from a letter supposedly written in 1871, Roscoe tries to explain away the obvious flaws with the gibberish in his 'Note' addendum. However, the 'out of period' terms need not be explained with Roscoe's gibberish, because they were terms used by William Guy Carr in 1958, and are therefore not 'out of period'. In other words Roscoe, unknowingly, is quoting Carr, not Pike, so no need for the 'Note' addendum gibberish. If he had done any real research this would be obvious! What Carr actually wrote was:

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Between 1859, and 1871, [Pike] worked out the details of a military blue-print, for three world wars, and three major revolutions which he considered would further the conspiracy to its final stage during the twentieth century.

[...] Pike’s plan was as simple as it has proved effective. He required that Communism, Naziism, Political Zionism, and other International movements be organized and used to foment the three global wars and three major revolutions. The first world war was to be fought so as to enable the Illuminati to overthrow the powers of the Tzars in Russia and turn that country into the stronghold of Atheistic-Communism. The differences stirred up by agentur of the Illuminati between the British and German Empires were to be used to foment this war. After the war ended, Communism was to be built up and used to destroy other governments and weaken religions.

World War Two, was to be fomented by using the differences between Fascists and Political Zionists. This war was to be fought so that Naziism would be destroyed and the power of Political Zionism increased so that the sovereign state of Israel could be established in Palestine. During world war two International Communism was to be built up until it equalled in strength that of united Christendom. At this point it was to be contained and kept in check until required for the final social cataclysm. Can any informed person deny Roosevelt and Churchill did not put this policy into effect?

World War Three is to be fomented by using the differences the agentur of the Illuminati stir up between Political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem world. The war is to be directed in such a manner that Islam (the Arab World including Mohammedanism) and Political Zionism (including the State of Israel) will destroy themselves while at the same time the remaining nations, once more divided against each other on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion physically, mentally, spiritually and economically. Can any unbiased and reasoning person deny that the intrigue now going on in the Near, Middle, and Far East isn’t designed to accomplish this devilish purpose?

So Roscoe, 'super researcher' that he is, is quoting Carr, not Pike!

'Well, umm, ok then, but Carr is quoting Pike, umm ok'...

Well, no... As our good friend Terry Melanson notes:

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Apparently, Carr was called out on this, for in his last book published posthumously in 1959, he finally reveals his source:

Pike explained what is intended to happen in a letter he wrote to his director (Mazzini) of the W.R.M. August 15, 1871. This letter is quoted elsewhere. It is catalogued in the Library of the British Museum, London, England (9) and has been quoted from and referred to by dozens of authorities and students of the W.R.M., including Cardinal Rodriguez of Chile. (See page 118 of The Mysteries of Freemasonry Unveiled, 1925. English translation, 1957.)

[...]

(9) The Keeper of manuscripts recently informed the author that this letter is NOT catalogued in the British Museum Library. It seems strange that a man of Cardinal Rodriguez’s knowledge should have said it WAS in 1925.

Ok, so there is no letter?!

But what of Cardinal Rodriguez? Surely he knows about the Lizard People conspiracy? This is what he wrote, again courtesy of Terry Melanson:

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In The Cause, the work of Monseigneur Jouin, concerning the Protocols, and the work of Witchl, are given the names of all the Jews who have been in the government of the Soviet and thus it is shown that the Jews are realizing their plan, for which they counted on Masonry as a blind and servile instrument.

The other indication of the participation of Masonry in the Revolution and the present upheaval in Russia is a letter in Le Diable au XIXème Siècle (1896), attributed to Albert Pike, “Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Masonry”, assisted by ten Ancients of the Grand Lodge of the Supreme Orient of Charleston to the very illustrious Joseph Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871. What I have said of the document previously mentioned, The Protocols, I say of this one: Authentic or not, the letter had been published long enough before the events, not to be an invention accommodated post factum. Its publication is catalogued in the British Museum of London and the plan attributed to Pike is also in part in Le Palladisme Of Margiotta, p. 186 published in 1895. It is a plan to destroy Catholicism, to throw the Pope out of Italy and force him to seek refuge in Russia; and then, when the autocratic empire had become the citadel of Papal Christianity, “we,” continues the author of the letter, “shall unleash the Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will be from that moment without compass, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time”

As noted by Terry Melanson:

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Some of the new information gleaned includes the fact, that 1) Carr quoted directly from Rodriguez’ meagre one-paragraph excerpt; 2) the latter mentioned nothing about a prediction of three world wars; and that 3) Carr was confused about exactly what was “catalogued” in the British Museum. Furthermore, it appears that Cardinal Rodriguez was alluding to Le Diable au XIXème Siècle — “its publication” — as being catalogued at the Museum, not the letter itself

Melanson goes on to examine Le Diable au XIXème Siècle. I wont repeat it, it's all in the link above. This is how Melanson sum's things up however:

Quote:

Exactly what William Guy Carr was trying to pull, I’ll never know. If you’ve bared it until the end, perhaps you’re disappointed to have found nothing about a prediction of three world wars, Communism, Nazism and Zionist Illuminati – or anything of the sort. A search through the entire book, utilizing relevant word combinations, turns up nothing either. Instead, what it truly represents is the scurrilous fantasies, and militant anti-Catholicism of its author: the impostor Leo Taxil aka Dr. Bataille, who profited handsomely while having a million laughs at the expense of both Christians and Masons; who confessed that his entire corpus of anti-Masonic works – spanning twelve years and representing thousands of pages (including the translated excerpt above) – were a complete and utter fraud; a colossal yet ridiculously farcical hoax

So, in the end no letter from Pike was ever produced or examined. Instead we have to take the word of Taxil for it's existence. In case anybody is unaware of Leo Taxil:

Quote:

Taxil first became known for writing anti-Catholic books, notably La Bible amusante (The Amusing Bible) and La Vie de Jesus (The Amusing Gospel) in which Taxil satirically pointed out what he considered to be inconsistencies, errors, and false beliefs presented in these religious works. In his other books Les Debauches d'un confesseur (with Karl Milo), Les Pornographes sacrés: la confession et les confesseurs, and Les Maîtresses du Pape, Taxil portrays leaders of the Catholic Church as hedonistic creatures exploring their fetishes in the manner of the Marquis de Sade. In 1879 he was tried at the Seine Assizes for writing a pamphlet A Bas la Calotte ("Down with the Cloth"), which was accused of insulting a religion recognized by the state, but he was acquitted.

In 1885 he professed conversion to Catholicism, was solemnly received into the church, and renounced his earlier works. In the 1890s he wrote a series of pamphlets and books denouncing Freemasonry,[1] charging their lodges with worshiping the devil and alleging that Diana Vaughan had written for him her confessions of the Satanic "Palladism" cult. That book had great sales among Catholics, although Diana Vaughan never appeared in public. In 1892 Taxil also began to publish a paper La France chrétienne anti-maçonnique. In 1887 he had an audience with Pope Leo XIII, who rebuked the bishop of Charleston for denouncing the anti-Masonic confessions as a fraud and in 1896 sent his blessing to an anti-Masonic Congress in Trent.

Doubts about Vaughan's veracity and even her existence began to grow, and finally Taxil promised to produce her at a lecture to be delivered by him on April 19, 1897. To the amazement of the audience (which included a number of priests), he announced that Diana was one of a series of hoaxes.[1] He had begun, he said, by persuading the commandant of Marseille that the harbour was infested with sharks, and a ship was sent to destroy them. Next he invented an underwater city in Lake Geneva, drawing tourists and archaeologists to the spot. He thanked the bishops and Catholic newspapers for facilitating his crowning hoax, namely his conversion, which had exposed the anti-Masonic fanaticism of many Catholics. Diana Vaughan was revealed to be a simple typist in his employ, who laughingly allowed her name to be used by him.

The audience received these revelations with indignation and contempt, and Taxil was mobbed on leaving the hall so that policemen had to escort him to a neighbouring café. He then moved away from Paris. He died in Sceaux in 1907

So in the end all we have is layer upon layer of anti-Jewish gibberish and hysteria, endlessly regurgitated by credulous anti-Jewish idiots...

However, will this new knowledge have any impact on the cherished belief system of the anti-Jewish idiots? I very much doubt it...

Regards,

Spartacus

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

Hasn't any of you halfwits read Darwin?

We're all descended from lizards.

Medically known as the Triune Brain

The Basal Ganglia is the primitive part of the brain that all reptiles have.

Been blowing away the Internet half-wits for years whenever they reach for this particular chestnut.

Nice try No banana.

Do me a favour, come up with something new would you? It gets boring when it becomes too easy.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Notice that Roscoe claims that the above idiocy is an 'extract' from the supposed 'Three World Wars' letter supposedly sent in 1871. Because of the absurdity of the claim that this is a genuine quote from a letter supposedly written in 1871, Roscoe tries to explain away the obvious flaws with the gibberish in his 'Note' addendum. However, the 'out of period' terms need not be explained with Roscoe's gibberish, because they were terms used by William Guy Carr in 1958, and are therefore not 'out of period'. In other words Roscoe, unknowingly, is quoting Carr, not Pike, so no need for the 'Note' addendum gibberish. If he had done any real research this would be obvious! What Carr actually wrote was:

Proof please?

Carr died in 1959. Long before any Arab/Israeli conflict. Soviet Russia was the big threat, but he never mentioned a Communism conflict for world war three.

They invented those terms themselves.

What a pathetic rebuttal. If that's the best you can do then I should give up if I was you.

"Anyone who starts a statement with the word 'apparently' should be lined up against a wall and shot" - Steven Fry.

No you can see what's going on here. It has to be a hoax because if it isn't then these prats don't have the moral fortitude to deal with it.

TCP · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2012 10:18 pm

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Hi Tim,

You look great in this photo;

I have to ask... When was it taken? How long have you been a member of the Illuminati? And, are you a lizard person?

:mrgreen:

Regards,

Spartacus

Silly Spartacus, you know that's Ron Howard. :roll:

Here's me with the DaVC greenlight memo after I'd just gotten the final signatures to approve it though:

mewithmemo by janicot1, on Flickr

I've been a member of the Illuminati for several incarnations, and yes, I'm reptilian. Any other questions? :lol:

TCP

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

There's no wonder irmine doesn't come here anymore.

Interview with Aaron Russo close friend of Rockefeller

In January 2004, Russo declared his candidacy for the President of the United States initially as an independent but then as a Libertarian. At the Libertarian National Convention in May 2004, Russo received 258 votes to Michael Badnarik's 256 votes and Gary Nolan's 246 votes, short of the majority required to receive the presidential nomination. Russo would eventually lose the nomination on the convention's third and final ballot to Badnarik by a vote of 423-344.

On January 14, 2007, Russo announced his full support for US Congressman Ron Paul's candidacy for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination.[3]

Later in 2007, Russo created the political grassroots organization, Restore the Republic (restoretherepublic.com), to fulfill the political ambitions laid out in his final movie documentary, America: Freedom to Fascism. Regarding the organization, Russo said his goal was to "try and get the word out to the public about what's happening to America -- and give them an opportunity to try to change things".

Lets talk about Al Qaeda. The BBC asks, where the hell are they?

Federal Reserve

Here's a demonstrable FACT for you.

The US Federal Reserve pumped money into the stock exchanges two days before the London Bombings. They only ever do this if they are expecting something bad to happen.

On the 5th July 2005 the Federal Reserve almost doubled "temporary liquidity" to $40 billion, driving this mechanism to a multi-year high on Tuesday, July 5th -and it kept liquidity elevated on Wednesday and the day of the bombings. This hadn't been done since the Cuban missile crisis. Coincidence right?

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."
Mayer Amschel Rothschild

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

THE LEO TAXIL CANARD REFUTED - Or how THEY 'divert a discourse' in one easy lesson

The previous anti-Mason campaigner had ended up floating at the foot of Niagara falls. No wonder he retracted.

So lets talk about Lucifer and Bohemian Grove which you conveniently ignored.

Remember this place.

Remind me again what the Cathars believed in? Whom did they say made the material world?

What was that other code in the shepherdess parchment? (made up of small letters?)

REX MUNDI.

It's not about truth it's about what people believe to be the truth.

Ever heard of Jules-Benoît Stanislas Doinel du Val-Michel?

Your argument needs a bit more Waite behind it. 1896? Mission 1891?

So couple of questions

When was the so-called Taxil Hoax taking place and when was Saunière appointed curé of Rennes le Chateau. What was Pope Leo XIII's disposition towards Freemasons at this time?

http://www.perillos.com/bs_fm.html

Remember that I have Occult Theocrasy here. Interesting what Edith Starr Miller says about the Palladium Society and Palladism . She only briefly quotes Taxil mentioning his confession. She had a greater insight than Taxil it seems. It follows the chapter entitled GENERAL PEPE AND THE " ONE BIG UNION "

SHE SAYS

Quote:

In his Cyclopædia of Fraternities Stevens writes that the
' Order of the Palladium' was founded in 1730 and soon
afterwards introduced in Charleston where it remained inactive
until 1886, It blossomed anew under the name of ' Reformed
Palladium ' and gave a new impulse to the traditions of High
Masonry. Stevens adds that the Palladium is little known as
the number of its members is strictly limited and the deepest
secrecy surrounds all its deliberations.chosen few belonging
to the ordinary high grades. *
" To recruit adepts, they planned to use some members
of the other rites, but in the beginning they meant to
rely principally on those among the initiates of Ancient
and Accepted Scottish Rites who were already addicted
to occultism.

SHE CONTINUES

Quote:

' The Holy See of the Dogma for the whole masonic
world was set up at Charleston, the sacred city of the
Palladium. Pike, the Sovereign Pontiff of Lucifer, was
the president of the Supreme Dogmatic Directory, composed
of ten brothers of the highest grades who formed
his Supreme Grand College of Emeritus Masons. The
Sovereign Executive Directory of High Masonry

Charleston is on the 33 degree parallel.

She was married to the head of the British Fascist Society who had also been the treasurer for the League of Nations. He was also a Knight of Malta.

Like I said she died under suspicious circumstances in Paris. Her book was published posthumously.

"Oh what a tangled web they weave when first they practice to deceive"

As an interesting sidenote.

her husband's (and hers) surname was PAGET. The investigation into the death of Princess Diana (who also married an aristocrat and died in Paris) was called by the UK police.

OPERATION PAGET.

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

roscoe wrote:

Hasn't any of you halfwits read Darwin?

We're all descended from lizards.

Medically known as the Triune Brain

The Basal Ganglia is the primitive part of the brain that all reptiles have.

Been blowing away the Internet half-wits for years whenever they reach for this particular chestnut.

Nice try No banana.

Do me a favour, come up with something new would you? It gets boring when it becomes too easy.

So, is that a yes then? You do believe that Lizard People are behind the 'Illuminati/Zionist conspiracy'?

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

roscoe wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Notice that Roscoe claims that the above idiocy is an 'extract' from the supposed 'Three World Wars' letter supposedly sent in 1871. Because of the absurdity of the claim that this is a genuine quote from a letter supposedly written in 1871, Roscoe tries to explain away the obvious flaws with the gibberish in his 'Note' addendum. However, the 'out of period' terms need not be explained with Roscoe's gibberish, because they were terms used by William Guy Carr in 1958, and are therefore not 'out of period'. In other words Roscoe, unknowingly, is quoting Carr, not Pike, so no need for the 'Note' addendum gibberish. If he had done any real research this would be obvious! What Carr actually wrote was:

Proof please?

Roscoe, for feck sake, will you actually read what I posted? The 'Three World Wars' claim is from Carr. I just provided proof! Can you show any proof that the claim existed prior to Carr, which is the key issue?

I posted a detailed rebuttal to your claim. The burden is on you now to show me that I have misunderstood the sequence of conspiratorial evolution. If I have, show me...

Taxil made no 'Three Wars' claim, as far as I can see, so claiming that he retracted blah, blah because he was afraid for his life has absolutely no relevance at all to your original research fail!

roscoe wrote:

Carr died in 1959. Long before any Arab/Israeli conflict. Soviet Russia was the big threat, but he never mentioned a Communism conflict for world war three.

They invented those terms themselves.

Epic fail after epic fail...

Quote:

On 14 May 1948, the day the Mandate officially ended and the day before the bulk of the remaining British troops departed, Israel declared its independence and sovereignty, though without specifying borders. The next day, the Arab League reiterated officially their opposition to the "two-state solution" in a letter to the UN. That day, the armies of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq invaded the territory partitioned for the Arab state, marking the beginning of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The nascent Israeli Defense Force repulsed the Arab League nations from part of the occupied territories, thus extending its borders beyond the original UNSCOP partition. By December 1948, Israel controlled most of the portion of Mandate Palestine west of the Jordan River. The remainder of the Mandate consisted of Jordan, the area that came to be called the West Bank (controlled by Jordan), and the Gaza Strip (controlled by Egypt). Prior to and during this conflict, 713,000 Palestinian Arabs fled their original lands to become Palestinian refugees, in part, due to an alleged promise from Arab leaders that they would be able to return when the war had been won. Many Palestinians fled from the areas that are now present-day Israel as a response to alleged massacres of Arab towns by militant Jewish organizations like the Irgun and the Stern Gang. The War came to an end with the signing of the 1949 Armistice Agreements between Israel and each of its Arab neighbours.

Before the adoption by the United Nations of Resolution 181 in November 1947 and the declaration of the State of Israel in May 1948, several Arab countries adopted discriminatory measures against their local Jewish populations. The status of Jewish citizens in Arab states worsened dramatically during the 1948 Israeli-Arab conflict. Major anti-Jewish riots erupted throughout the Arab World in December 1947, and Jewish communities were hit particularly hard in Syria and Aden, with hundreds of dead and injured. By mid-1948, almost all Jewish communities in Arab states had suffered attacks and their status deteriorated. Jews under Islamic regimes were uprooted from their longtime residency or became political hostages of the Arab–Israeli conflict. As a result, a large number of Jews fled or were forced to emigrate from Arab countries and other Muslim countries as well. Anti-Jewish violence and persecution initiated the first waves of exodus, with many following. In Libya, Jews were deprived of citizenship, and in Iraq, their property was seized. Egypt expelled most of its Jewish community in 1956... The majority were fleeing due to worsening political conditions, although some emigrated for ideological reasons.

Over 700,000 Jews emigrated to Israel between 1948 and 1952, with approximately 285,000 of them from Arab countries...

In 1956, Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, and blockaded the Gulf of Aqaba, in contravention of the Constantinople Convention of 1888. Many argued that this was also a violation of the 1949 Armistice Agreements. On July 26, 1956, Egypt nationalized the Suez Canal Company, and closed the canal to Israeli shipping.

Israel responded on October 29, 1956, by invading the Sinai Peninsula with British and French support. During the Suez Canal Crisis, Israel captured the Gaza Strip and Sinai Peninsula...

Could Carr have read the papers when he was writing his Pike crap? As the book was published in 1958, we can assume it was written sometime in the years previous to that year. How about this, he wrote his Pike crap in 1956 and/or 1957 exactly when all of the above was happening, and when people of frightened and nervous disposition were fearful that these events would kick off World War III? :roll:

Seriously Roscoe...

roscoe wrote:

What a pathetic rebuttal. If that's the best you can do then I should give up if I was you.

The pathetic rebuttal is all you, Roscoe, and any lucid person reading this exchange can see that clearly. You are completely clueless.

roscoe wrote:

"Anyone who starts a statement with the word 'apparently' should be lined up against a wall and shot" - Steven Fry.

IMHO Fry is entitled to hold that opinion, and I absolutely defend his right to it, no matter how idiotic it is...

roscoe wrote:

No you can see what's going on here. It has to be a hoax because if it isn't then these prats don't have the moral fortitude to deal with it.

No, you can see what's going on here. The 'Three Wars Letter' is a hoax. And you don't have the moral fortitude to deal with it because you would have to hold up your hands and say 'I am a prat'...

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

TCP wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Hi Tim,

You look great in this photo;

I have to ask... When was it taken? How long have you been a member of the Illuminati? And, are you a lizard person?

:mrgreen:

Regards,

Spartacus

Silly Spartacus, you know that's Ron Howard. :roll:

Here's me with the DaVC greenlight memo after I'd just gotten the final signatures to approve it though:

mewithmemo by janicot1, on Flickr

I've been a member of the Illuminati for several incarnations, and yes, I'm reptilian. Any other questions? :lol:

TCP

I always knew you were one of T.H.E.Y

How long have you being masquerading as a man called 'Ron Howard'? What's your true agenda?

tingra · **Posted:** 03 Feb 2012 1:02 pm

roscoe wrote:

"Anyone who starts a statement with the word 'apparently' should be lined up against a wall and shot" - Steven Fry.

love it.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

roscoe wrote:

Hasn't any of you halfwits read Darwin?

We're all descended from lizards.

Medically known as the Triune Brain

The Basal Ganglia is the primitive part of the brain that all reptiles have.

Been blowing away the Internet half-wits for years whenever they reach for this particular chestnut.

Nice try No banana.

Do me a favour, come up with something new would you? It gets boring when it becomes too easy.

So, is that a yes then? You do believe that Lizard People are behind the 'Illuminati/Zionist conspiracy'?

Yes we're all shape shifting lizards. It just took several 100 million years that's all.

According to Darwin that is.

Although according to Billy Connolly the Queen doesn't fart, so maybe she is different.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

roscoe wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Notice that Roscoe claims that the above idiocy is an 'extract' from the supposed 'Three World Wars' letter supposedly sent in 1871. Because of the absurdity of the claim that this is a genuine quote from a letter supposedly written in 1871, Roscoe tries to explain away the obvious flaws with the gibberish in his 'Note' addendum. However, the 'out of period' terms need not be explained with Roscoe's gibberish, because they were terms used by William Guy Carr in 1958, and are therefore not 'out of period'. In other words Roscoe, unknowingly, is quoting Carr, not Pike, so no need for the 'Note' addendum gibberish. If he had done any real research this would be obvious! What Carr actually wrote was:

Proof please?

Roscoe, for feck sake, will you actually read what I posted? The 'Three World Wars' claim is from Carr. I just provided proof! Can you show any proof that the claim existed prior to Carr, which is the key issue?

I posted a detailed rebuttal to your claim. The burden is on you now to show me that I have misunderstood the sequence of conspiratorial evolution. If I have, show me...

Taxil made no 'Three Wars' claim, as far as I can see, so claiming that he retracted blah, blah because he was afraid for his life has absolutely no relevance at all to your original research fail!

roscoe wrote:

Carr died in 1959. Long before any Arab/Israeli conflict. Soviet Russia was the big threat, but he never mentioned a Communism conflict for world war three.

They invented those terms themselves.

Epic fail after epic fail...

Quote:

On 14 May 1948, the day the Mandate officially ended and the day before the bulk of the remaining British troops departed, Israel declared its independence and sovereignty, though without specifying borders. The next day, the Arab League reiterated officially their opposition to the "two-state solution" in a letter to the UN. That day, the armies of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq invaded the territory partitioned for the Arab state, marking the beginning of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The nascent Israeli Defense Force repulsed the Arab League nations from part of the occupied territories, thus extending its borders beyond the original UNSCOP partition. By December 1948, Israel controlled most of the portion of Mandate Palestine west of the Jordan River. The remainder of the Mandate consisted of Jordan, the area that came to be called the West Bank (controlled by Jordan), and the Gaza Strip (controlled by Egypt). Prior to and during this conflict, 713,000 Palestinian Arabs fled their original lands to become Palestinian refugees, in part, due to an alleged promise from Arab leaders that they would be able to return when the war had been won. Many Palestinians fled from the areas that are now present-day Israel as a response to alleged massacres of Arab towns by militant Jewish organizations like the Irgun and the Stern Gang. The War came to an end with the signing of the 1949 Armistice Agreements between Israel and each of its Arab neighbours.

Before the adoption by the United Nations of Resolution 181 in November 1947 and the declaration of the State of Israel in May 1948, several Arab countries adopted discriminatory measures against their local Jewish populations. The status of Jewish citizens in Arab states worsened dramatically during the 1948 Israeli-Arab conflict. Major anti-Jewish riots erupted throughout the Arab World in December 1947, and Jewish communities were hit particularly hard in Syria and Aden, with hundreds of dead and injured. By mid-1948, almost all Jewish communities in Arab states had suffered attacks and their status deteriorated. Jews under Islamic regimes were uprooted from their longtime residency or became political hostages of the Arab–Israeli conflict. As a result, a large number of Jews fled or were forced to emigrate from Arab countries and other Muslim countries as well. Anti-Jewish violence and persecution initiated the first waves of exodus, with many following. In Libya, Jews were deprived of citizenship, and in Iraq, their property was seized. Egypt expelled most of its Jewish community in 1956... The majority were fleeing due to worsening political conditions, although some emigrated for ideological reasons.

Over 700,000 Jews emigrated to Israel between 1948 and 1952, with approximately 285,000 of them from Arab countries...

In 1956, Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, and blockaded the Gulf of Aqaba, in contravention of the Constantinople Convention of 1888. Many argued that this was also a violation of the 1949 Armistice Agreements. On July 26, 1956, Egypt nationalized the Suez Canal Company, and closed the canal to Israeli shipping.

Israel responded on October 29, 1956, by invading the Sinai Peninsula with British and French support. During the Suez Canal Crisis, Israel captured the Gaza Strip and Sinai Peninsula...

Could Carr have read the papers when he was writing his Pike crap? As the book was published in 1958, we can assume it was written sometime in the years previous to that year. How about this, he wrote his Pike crap in 1956 and/or 1957 exactly when all of the above was happening, and when people of frightened and nervous disposition were fearful that these events would kick off World War III? :roll:

Seriously Roscoe...

roscoe wrote:

What a pathetic rebuttal. If that's the best you can do then I should give up if I was you.

The pathetic rebuttal is all you, Roscoe, and any lucid person reading this exchange can see that clearly. You are completely clueless.

roscoe wrote:

"Anyone who starts a statement with the word 'apparently' should be lined up against a wall and shot" - Steven Fry.

IMHO Fry is entitled to hold that opinion, and I absolutely defend his right to it, no matter how idiotic it is...

roscoe wrote:

No you can see what's going on here. It has to be a hoax because if it isn't then these prats don't have the moral fortitude to deal with it.

No, you can see what's going on here. The 'Three Wars Letter' is a hoax. And you don't have the moral fortitude to deal with it because you would have to hold up your hands and say 'I am a prat'...

Albert Pike to Mazzini, August 15, 1871: Three World Wars?

Or, how Michael Haupt said, that William Guy Carr said, that Cardinal Caro y Rodriguez of Santiago, Chile said, that The Cause of World Unrest said, that the confessed hoaxer Gabriel Jogand-Pagès aka Dr. Bataille aka Leo Taxil said about Albert Pike and Giuseppe Mazzini in Le diable au XIXe siècle, v. II, 1894, p. 605 (but actually pp. 594-606).

Got it?

Michael Haupt said that Carr made it up in 2003 on his website. Just before the Iraq War.

Now lets just look at the World War Three prediction from Haupt again:

Quote:

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

Despite Russian nuclear weapons threatening the west not a single mention of conflict with the Soviet Union by (according to Haupt) Carr.

Now it seems that Haupt altered what Carr supposedly said in his 1958 reprint.

Carr actually said:

Photocopy of Carr's book.

You will notice that Carr has not mentioned the word Illuminati. Whereas Haupt has.

Slight oversight don't you think?

It is also fundamentally shorter.

By the way I will at this point state that it was you who brought up William Guy Carr. I didn't.

I'm more of the straight from the horses mouth fraternity.

However Carr revealed his source:

Quote:

Pike explained what is intended to happen in a letter he wrote to his director (Mazzini) of the W.R.M. August 15, 1871. This letter is quoted elsewhere. It is catalogued in the Library of the British Museum, London, England [9] and has been quoted from and referred to by dozens of authorities and students of the W.R.M., including Cardinal Rodriguez of Chile. (See page 118 of The Mysteries of Freemasonry Unveiled, 1925. English translation, 1957.)

Notice he only says INCLUDING Cardinal Rodriguez of Chile.

Quote:

The Keeper of manuscripts recently informed the author that this letter is NOT catalogued in the British Museum Library. It seems strange that a man of Cardinal Rodriguez’s knowledge should have said it WAS in 1925.
- William Guy Carr, Satan: Prince of this World

However

On inspection of Rodriguez's book he mention NOTHING about three world wars.

However

we have this from - The Cause of World Unrest: by H. A. Gwynne ,

Quote:

In the year 1896 there appeared in Paris a curious publication called Le Diable au XIXe Siècle. It was an attack upon Freemasonry, and came out in parts, illustrated with grotesque and repulsive engravings. The name on the title-page is Dr. Bataille, but it is stated in the British Museum Catalogue that the real authors were Gabriel Jogand-Pagès and Charles Hacks. The book, with evident knowledge and a show of authority, set out to trace the connection between Freemasonry and revolutions, but its sensationalism and the extremely doubtful character of some of the documents produced brought it into disrepute. It is now forgotten, and yet it contains a good deal that can be verified from other sources, and some things also which seem to be verified by recent events. In particular there is a letter - or an alleged letter - said to have been written by Albert Pike, the "Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry," assisted by the Ten Ancients of the Grand Lodge of the Supreme Orient at Charleston, to "the very illustrious brother" Giuseppe Mazzini. This letter is dated August 15, 1871, and sets forth an anti-clerical policy which Mazzini is to follow in Italy. The measures proposed, including secular education, the expulsion of the religious orders, and so forth, need not detain us. What is to our purpose occurs towards the end of the letter, on page 605 (vol. ii.). The writer explains that owing to the working out of this policy the Pope may be driven at some future time out of Italy, and that established religion will then find its last refuge in Russia. And the letter proceeds:

“That is why, when the autocratic Empire of Russia will have become the citadel of Papal Christianity (adonaïsme papiste), we shall unchain the revolutionary Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm, which will demonstrate clearly to the nations, in all its horror, the effect of absolute unbelief, mother of savagery and of the most bloody disorder. Then, everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the mad minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate these destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned of Christianity, whose deist soul will up to that moment be without compass, thirsting for an ideal, but not knowing where to bestow their worship, will receive the True Light, by the universal manifestation of the pure Luciferian doctrine, at last made public, a manifestation which will arise from the general movement of reaction following the destruction of Atheism and Christianity, both at the same time vanquished and exterminated.”

Gabriel Jogand-Pagès is of course Leo Taxil. The year is 1896.

So this letter is at least as old as 1896 (if it is a forgery) and if it is genuine, it is as old as 1871(when Pike wrote to Mazzini). It must therefore be considered remarkable, whether as a forgery or as a genuine document. For it predicts what actually did happen in Russia, and it claims for its authors that they were preparing to bring about what we know has happened.

So it ain't from Carr and it ain't from Rodriguez the prediction being at least from 1896.

Now it MIGHT have come from Gabriel Jogand-Pagès aka Dr. Bataille aka Leo Taxil.

And yes Taxil did say the following:

Quote:

"The public made me what I am; the arch-liar of the period, for when I first commenced to write against the Masons my object was amusement pure and simple. The crimes I laid at their door were so grotesque, so impossible, so widely exaggerated, I thought everybody would see the joke and give me credit for originating a new line of humor. But my readers wouldn't have it so; they accepted my fables as gospel truth, and the more I lied for the purpose of showing that I lied, the more convinced became they that I was a paragon of veracity.

Then it dawned upon me that there was lots of money in being a Munchausen of the right kind, and for twelve years I gave it to them hot and strong, but never too hot. When inditing such slush as the story of the devil snake who wrote prophecies on Diana's back with the end of his tail, I sometimes said to myself: 'Hold on, you are going too far,' but I didn't. My readers even took kindly to the yarn of the devil who, in order to marry a Mason, transformed himself into a crocodile, and, despite the masquerade, played the piano wonderfully well."

One day when lecturing at Lille, I told my audience that I had just had an apparition of Nautilus, the most daring affront on human credulity I had so far risked. But my hearers never turned a hair. 'Hear ye, the doctor has seen Nautilus,' they said with admiring glances. Of course no one had a clear idea of who Nautilus was I didn't myself but they assumed that he was a devil. Ah, the jolly evenings I spent with my fellow authors hatching out new plots, new, unheard of perversions of truth and logic, each trying to outdo the other in organized mystification. I thought I would kill myself laughing at some of the things proposed, but everything went; there is no limit to human stupidity."

Indeed.

Can I just state that it is the Establishment British Museum Catalogue who said that Dr Bataille was Gabriel Jogand-Pagès aka Leo Taxil. One of course wonders how they knew because Taxil didn't say so.

However, we are now back to 1896, Doinel, Saunière and what it is that can be used to make people part with their cash to rebuild Rennes le Chateau.

So that's all solved then?

Erm! No.

Taxil spoke of Palladism, well so did Edith Starr Miller and she got her information from Adriano Lemmi who was the successor to both Mazzini and Pike. She does several chapters on this but I'm not going to repeat them on here because I regard it as pearls before swine.

If you want then go read.

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

You are a fool, Roscoe.

TCP · **Posted:** 03 Feb 2012 6:20 pm

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

I always knew you were one of T.H.E.Y

Known by insiders as W.E.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

How long have you being masquerading as a man called 'Ron Howard'? What's your true agenda?

To make obscenely expensive films that promise more than they deliver.

TCP

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