The English Connection

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

roscoe wrote:

rain wrote:

Aren't the documents supposedly in an English bank - put their by three Americans or so the story goes?

NOPE!!!

Try reading more than ONE book for a change.

Them there Americans was notaries on a document trying to sue Jean Luc Chaumeil. But I already this but you obviously had your head stuffed where the sun don't shine at the time.

I'm not sure the 'mis en garde' was a notarised document, Roscoe?! And wasn't the 'mis en garde' a false threat to sue Jean-Luc Chaumeil for his supposed authorship of the so-called 'anonymous squib', a document that was most likely written by Plantard (or associates) himself?

That's a guess. I don't do guesses. However Drick's signature was on this document dated after he had died. But a person who knew all three did confirm that the signatures were genuine. But it seemed to be a direct copy (including spacing) of a document they'd all signed on the 10th Feb 1975. Somebody had used this for the Mis en Garde signatures. But even this poses questions.

Why use these people?

How did they obtain the signatures? The original signatures had been done in light blue ink, a well known measure that would not photocopy. You can photograph the original and then photocopy it. But why bother, why not use some other signature?

The HBHG team planned an ambush on Plantard but it seems to me that someone had informed Plantard prior to the confrontation.

Plantard's explantion?
The signatures were a rubber stamp and Drick's name could not be removed.

Remember we are NOT discussing the possessors of the parchments here, that's the ENGLISH Connection, we are discussing the problem of Plantard, Cherisey et al with Jean Luc Chaumeil.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

As for that supposed English connection, how come you have steadfastly refused to engage me about that, or answer any of the questions I have posed regarding the subject?

Come on, Roscoe, have a semblance of intellectual integrity and at least discuss it...

I am discussing it. You want proof and confirmation of the activities of a secret society?

Why don't you ask me to do something simple like tap dance to the moon?

Old cliché alert.

Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence.

Only people who have read The Messianic Legacy can discuss this subject sensibly.

Chapter 20 is entitled

THE ELUSIVE AMERICAN CONTINGENT

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Roscoe wrote:

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That's a guess. I don't do guesses.

No Roscoe, you accept the fantasies of known conmen as reality :roll:

Roscoe wrote:

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However Drick's signature was on this document dated after he had died. But a person who knew all three did confirm that the signatures were genuine. But it seemed to be a direct copy (including spacing) of a document they'd all signed on the 10th Feb 1975. Somebody had used this for the Mis en Garde signatures. But even this poses questions.

The signatures were amended from the 1974 annual report of the First National Bank of Chicago, which had been widely circulated on Feb 10th 1975. You're obviously not reading my earlier posts.

Roscoe wrote:

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Why use these people?

So that people like you, Roscoe, would jump up and go 'Ummmm, hold on there a minute! Chicago, well that's the home of the Jewish banker conspiracy. I read it somewhere on the Internet. Wow, the Priory of Sion must be a front for the Jewish bankers'

Roscoe wrote:

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How did they obtain the signatures? The original signatures had been done in light blue ink, a well known measure that would not photocopy.

What about a transfer trace?

Roscoe wrote:

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You can photograph the original and then photocopy it. But why bother, why not use some other signature?

Because Plantard et al wanted to fool people like you into believing that the Priory of Sion was something more than an absurd fantasy, and was part of the 'Jewish banking conspiracy'...

Roscoe wrote:

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The HBHG team planned an ambush on Plantard but it seems to me that someone had informed Plantard prior to the confrontation.

Or Plantard could have simply realised that Drick had died two years previously, was clever enough to know that BLL would also have found out, and that his bullshit was in danger of unravelling :lol:

This stuff really is hilarious. Perhaps Plantard realised his fantasy was in danger when BLL phoned him some months prior to the 'ambush' you make reference to above:

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'Shortly after we had discovered the identities of Drick, Freeman and Abboud, we telephoned Plantard. Quite casually we mentioned that we had learned of their affiliation with the First national Bank of Chicago. 'Really', Plantard replied laconically, and with a certain irony in his voice, as if commending us for our thoroughness. We stated that, as a matter of course, we would naturally have to contact the three men in question. Plantard suddenly became distinctly nervous. Some very important issues were at stack, he declared. Would we please not contact the men in question until we had first had another personal meeting with him...'

Seriously Roscoe, you really should try and read the Messianic Legacy after you have removed your 'Jewish Banker conspiracy' spectacles. You'd then be able to see, quite clearly, that it is a crock of shite... :lol:

Roscoe wrote:

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Plantard's explantion?
The signatures were a rubber stamp and Drick's name could not be removed.

Roscoe wrote:

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Remember we are NOT discussing the possessors of the parchments here, that's the ENGLISH Connection, we are discussing the problem of Plantard, Cherisey et al with Jean Luc Chaumeil.

I know exactly what we are talking about, man! Read my earlier posts where I've tried to explain the various differences to everyone else. You might actually learn something.

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Spartacus Paraclete wrote:
As for that supposed English connection, how come you have steadfastly refused to engage me about that, or answer any of the questions I have posed regarding the subject?

Come on, Roscoe, have a semblance of intellectual integrity and at least discuss it...

Roscoe wrote:

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I am discussing it. You want proof and confirmation of the activities of a secret society?

No Roscoe, you are ducking and diving furiously...but in the end you're only fooling yourself, not me!

Roscoe wrote:

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Why don't you ask me to do something simple like tap dance to the moon?

soooo lame...

Roscoe wrote:

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Old cliché alert.

Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence.

the nonsense peddler's mantra :lol:

Roscoe wrote:

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Only people who have read The Messianic Legacy can discuss this subject sensibly.

Chapter 20 is entitled

THE ELUSIVE AMERICAN CONTINGENT

I totally agree. So go and read it, without your 'Jewish banker conspiracy' specs and you will see it for the complete crock of shite that it really is!

So the real questions here are really, really straightforward, and I've laid them out elsewhere. I'll repeat what I wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Hi,

In the Rennes-le-Chateau section the poster known as 'Irmine' started a thread about the supposed 'English Connection' to Rennes-le-Chateau. It didn't go very far IMHO. AFAIK the claim that there was or is any 'English Connection' to Rennes-le-Chateau has never been conclusively shown. The claim exists AFAIK purely within the Priory of Sion narrative.

Irmine wrote:

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...the affair of 1955-6 involving the 'English gentlemen' [is] so crucial to the bloodline theme. I'll start by saying that the true identity of Henri LOBINEAU/Comte Henri de LENONCOURT was Uncle Etienne

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I find the English affair the most absorbing aspect of 20th century British history. It's surprising that so many English people seem to avoid this subject. It is still an official secret and is likely to remain so for many years to come.

Etienne PLANTARD working for the British royal family? Surely not!

It is impossible IMHO to do anything with hearsay such as this...so what about the rest of the claim?

I'll begin with Roscoe's quote from The Messianic Legacy p288-289 (1996 Arrow edition):

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One of these items referred specifically to the parchments allegedly found by Berenger Sauniere in the church at Rennes le Chateau in 1891. We had heard conflicting stories about what became of these documents, but all of them were too vague to be checked. Although it subsequently became clear that Cherisey had not seen them personally, he offered what appeared to be some tangible clues. According to Cherisey, the clues in question were confided to him by an aging aristocrat Henri, Comte de Lenoncourt. Speaking of Sauniere's discovery, Lenoncourt is reported by Cherisey as saying:

"Saunière' found it - and never parted with it. His niece. Madame James of Montazels, inherited it in February 1917. In 1965, she sold it to the International League of Antiquarian Booksellers. She was not to know that one of the two respectable lawyers was Captain Ronald Stansmore of the British Intelligence Service and the other was Thomas Frazer, the eminence grise of Buckingham. The parchments of Blanche de Castille are presently in a strongbox of Lloyds Bank Europe Limited. Since the article in the Daily Express a paper with a circulation of 3,000,000, nobody in Britain is unaware of the demand for the recognition of Merovingian rights made in 1955 and 1956 by Sir Alexander Aikman and Sir John Montague Brocklebank. Major Hugh Murchison Clowes and nineteen other men in the office of P.F.J. Freeman Notary by Royal Appointment."

About which Roscoe wrote:

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Remember that this last piece in italics comes direct from Philippe de Cherisey. It later transpired that de Cherisey had got some of the names muddled but documents do indeed exist in a Lloyds Bank vault, though not the Lloyds Bank Europe Limited. They are now, allegedly, in a Parisian Bank located at 4 Place de Mexico.

To which Davinho asked a very, very reasonable question:

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[And] you know this as fact?

Roscoe never answered, and then Renne and Wayward began to discuss Killer Whales on the thread!

Anyway, if we ignore for now the hearsay that 'Henri, Comte de Lenoncourt' is Stephen Plantard, we can still question whether there is any evidence at all to support the claims made above.

Firstly, I remember reading that section of The Messianic Legacy and finding it particularly puzzling. BLL seemingly went to a lot of trouble to 'discover the truth' about the so-called 'English Connection', even going as far as questioning P.F.J. Freeman personally. After much huffing and puffing BLL deduced, true P.F.J. Freeman, that at least one of the so-called Notarised Documents was definitely a forgery.

However, they never, AFAIK, asked Freeman a very simple and straightforward question? Which was, of course... did twenty-two men ever enter this office to 'demand recognition of Merovingian rights'? Why did BLL not ask this simple, and absolutely essential question? They asked him numerous other questions, but not what would seem the most obvious and easy to either verify or dismiss!

IMHO they probably did indeed ask the question and were told, in no uncertain terms, that the event in question had never happened. That BLL did not confirm that the event did indeed take place speaks volumes IMHO and is more evidence of their narrative sleight-of-hand, designed to keep their claims intact.

The other obvious problem I noted was, despite their usual research diligence, BLL did not reproduce the supposed Daily Express article that had supposedly been read by 3000000 British readers, supposedly leaving 'nobody in Britain unaware of the demand for the recognition of Merovingian rights made in 1955 and 1956 by Sir Alexander Aikman and Sir John Montague Brocklebank'!

AFAIK no one has ever reproduced that article...

As Richard has kindly pointed out, it doesn't exist in the Daily Express archives. I'd be extremely interested to know if anyone has read it?

When one considers that at least one of the so-called Notarised Documents was without question a forgery, and the extreme unlikelihood that 22 men ever demanded recognition of Merovingian rights in the office of P.F.J. Freeman, and the possibility that the supposed Daily Express article never actually existed (can someone produce it?), is there anything left to suggest that there is indeed any 'English Connection' at all?

Regards,

Spartacus

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

roscoe wrote:

Why is everyone wittering on about the three AMERICANS when the title of the thread is called

THE ENGLISH CONNECTION?

rain wrote:

Aren't the documents supposedly in an English bank - put their by three Americans or so the story goes?

roscoe wrote:

NOPE!!!

Try reading more than ONE book for a change.

Them there Americans was notaries on a document trying to sue Jean Luc Chaumeil. But I already this but you obviously had your head stuffed where the sun don't shine at the time.

rain wrote:

No, I was joking. And don't talk to me like that, thank you very much.
After 30 years one would think you could write a fully referenced essay that details the true events with evidence even if it circumstantial - but that's not the case is it.
You haven't even managed to work the timelines whereby the PoS keeps getting recycled, bit sad really.

'First people deny a thing. Then they belittle it. Then they decide it was known all along'.

lovuian · **Posted:** 29 Jan 2012 5:04 pm

Just following the trail of the European Union idea

George Washington wrote to the Marquis de La Fayette: "One day, on the model of the United States of America, a United States of Europe will come into being.
Napoleon Bonaparte remarked, "Europe thus divided into nationalities freely formed and free internally, peace between States would have become easier: the United States of Europe would become a possibility."
The term 'United States of Europe' (États-Unis d'Europe) was used by Victor Hugo, including during a speech at the International Peace Congress held in Paris in 1849. Hugo favoured the creation of "a supreme, sovereign senate, which will be to Europe what parliament is to England" and said "A day will come when all nations on our continent will form a European brotherhood... A day will come when we shall see... the United States of America and the United States of Europe face to face, reaching out for each other across the seas."

Winston Churchill's 1946 call for a "United States of Europe" becoming louder, in 1949 the Council of Europe was established as the first pan-European organisation. In the year following, on 9 May 1950, the French Foreign Minister Robert Schuman proposed a community to integrate the coal and steel industries of Europe - these being the two elements necessary to make weapons of war

TCP · **Posted:** 29 Jan 2012 7:19 pm

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

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Why use these people?

So that people like you, Roscoe, would jump up and go 'Ummmm, hold on there a minute! Chicago, well that's the home of the Jewish banker conspiracy. I read it somewhere on the Internet. Wow, the Priory of Sion must be a front for the Jewish bankers'

Or because two of the three names were close approximations of actual people who had a better game going at the time. If there's one element in this narrative for which there is no shortage, it's aliases.

The Jewish banker conspiracy thus would have been a happy consequence, given that's it's much sexier than neo-chivalric one-upsmanship.

I'd even go so far as to suggest that the generic "Robert" could have referred to Robert Gayre, with whom the other two were closely associated. This inclusion would provide the "Anglo" in the "Anglo-American contingent" as the other two were American citizens.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

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You can photograph the original and then photocopy it. But why bother, why not use some other signature?

Because Plantard et al wanted to fool people like you into believing that the Priory of Sion was something more than an absurd fantasy, and was part of the 'Jewish banking conspiracy'...

Precisely.

TCP

lovuian · **Posted:** 29 Jan 2012 9:26 pm

TCP wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

Why use these people?

So that people like you, Roscoe, would jump up and go 'Ummmm, hold on there a minute! Chicago, well that's the home of the Jewish banker conspiracy. I read it somewhere on the Internet. Wow, the Priory of Sion must be a front for the Jewish bankers'

Or because two of the three names were close approximations of actual people who had a better game going at the time. If there's one element in this narrative for which there is no shortage, it's aliases.

The Jewish banker conspiracy thus would have been a happy consequence, given that's it's much sexier than neo-chivalric one-upsmanship.

I'd even go so far as to suggest that the generic "Robert" could have referred to Robert Gayre, with whom the other two were closely associated. This inclusion would provide the "Anglo" in the "Anglo-American contingent" as the other two were American citizens.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

You can photograph the original and then photocopy it. But why bother, why not use some other signature?

Because Plantard et al wanted to fool people like you into believing that the Priory of Sion was something more than an absurd fantasy, and was part of the 'Jewish banking conspiracy'...

Precisely.

TCP

TCP
you name dropper

Is this the Gayre?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gayre

George Robert Gayre of Gayre

was a Scottish anthropologist who founded Mankind Quarterly. An expert on heraldry, he also founded The Armorial, and produced many books on this subject

Baron of Lochoreshyre; Chief of Clan Gayre; Chamberlain to the Prince of Lippe. Knight of the Sacred Military Order of Constantine St. George of Naples; Knight Commander of the Cross of Merit (Military Division) of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta; Knight Commander of the Order of Lippe; Knight Grand Cross with Collar of the Military and Hospitaller Order of St. Lazarus of Jerusalem; Knight Grand Officer of the Crown of Italy.

http://jtl.org/links/gayre.html
Race and Nazi Racism
and the Latter’s Impact
on Anthropology
by R. Gayre of Gayre

Born in Dublin and an Anglican, he earned an MA from University of Edinburgh, then studied at Exeter College, Oxford.

Gayre served with the British Expeditionary Force in France in 1939, as a Lieutenant-Colonel in the Royal Artilleryafterwards becoming Educational Adviser to the Allied Military Government of Italy, based in Palermo, where he fought for the exclusion of left-wing text-books and communist influence from the Italian education system. He was thereafter Director of Education to the Allied Control Commission for Italy, based in Naples; and Chief of Education and Religious Affairs, German Planning Unit, Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force. After the war he spent a considerable amount of time in India where he was instrumental in the establishment of the Italo-Indian Institute.

Both Gayre and Sir Thomas Innes of Learney were authors of books on heraldry. As Chief of Clan Gayre, Gayre appended "of Gayre and Nigg" becoming Grand Almoner, and Hereditary Commander of Lochore, of the Order of St. Lazarus of Jerusalem.

He was into bloodlines all right

In 1968 he testified on behalf of members of the Racial Preservation Society who were charged under the Race Relations Act for publishing racialist material
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gayre

I won't bother writing his prejudice testimony
let me say he was political
A conservative and anticommunist

Gayre talks about the Canary Islands and the Gauches
The Guanches may therefore have been of the Atlanto-Mediterranean type with the addition of some intrusive broad-skulled element, possibly Dinaric(which might be described as Maritime Armenoid), and even some Alpine elements. They would thus appear to have been a type similar to the peoples of the Iberian peninsular--and in so far as they were basically Atlanto-Mediterranean they showed a common relationship with the pre-celtic peoples of Brittany, Cornwall, Ireland, the western parts of Scotland, Dalarna(in Sweden) and Westphalia.
"Ethnological Elements of Africa" by Robert Gayre, 1966.

Chap IV The Canary Islands and Western Africa

Communism doesn't want kings or popes :wink:

dictators are ok

TCP · **Posted:** 30 Jan 2012 1:32 am

lovuian wrote:

TCP you name dropper

Is this the Gayre?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gayre

George Robert Gayre of Gayre

was a Scottish anthropologist who founded Mankind Quarterly. An expert on heraldry, he also founded The Armorial, and produced many books on this subject

Baron of Lochoreshyre; Chief of Clan Gayre; Chamberlain to the Prince of Lippe. Knight of the Sacred Military Order of Constantine St. George of Naples; Knight Commander of the Cross of Merit (Military Division) of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta; Knight Commander of the Order of Lippe; Knight Grand Cross with Collar of the Military and Hospitaller Order of St. Lazarus of Jerusalem; Knight Grand Officer of the Crown of Italy.

http://jtl.org/links/gayre.html
Race and Nazi Racism
and the Latter’s Impact
on Anthropology
by R. Gayre of Gayre

Born in Dublin and an Anglican, he earned an MA from University of Edinburgh, then studied at Exeter College, Oxford.

Gayre served with the British Expeditionary Force in France in 1939, as a Lieutenant-Colonel in the Royal Artilleryafterwards becoming Educational Adviser to the Allied Military Government of Italy, based in Palermo, where he fought for the exclusion of left-wing text-books and communist influence from the Italian education system. He was thereafter Director of Education to the Allied Control Commission for Italy, based in Naples; and Chief of Education and Religious Affairs, German Planning Unit, Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force. After the war he spent a considerable amount of time in India where he was instrumental in the establishment of the Italo-Indian Institute.

Both Gayre and Sir Thomas Innes of Learney were authors of books on heraldry. As Chief of Clan Gayre, Gayre appended "of Gayre and Nigg" becoming Grand Almoner, and Hereditary Commander of Lochore, of the Order of St. Lazarus of Jerusalem.

He was into bloodlines all right

In 1968 he testified on behalf of members of the Racial Preservation Society who were charged under the Race Relations Act for publishing racialist material
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gayre

I won't bother writing his prejudice testimony
let me say he was political
A conservative and anticommunist

Gayre talks about the Canary Islands and the Gauches
The Guanches may therefore have been of the Atlanto-Mediterranean type with the addition of some intrusive broad-skulled element, possibly Dinaric(which might be described as Maritime Armenoid), and even some Alpine elements. They would thus appear to have been a type similar to the peoples of the Iberian peninsular--and in so far as they were basically Atlanto-Mediterranean they showed a common relationship with the pre-celtic peoples of Brittany, Cornwall, Ireland, the western parts of Scotland, Dalarna(in Sweden) and Westphalia.
"Ethnological Elements of Africa" by Robert Gayre, 1966.

Chap IV The Canary Islands and Western Africa

Communism doesn't want kings or popes :wink:

dictators are ok

The same. Also the founder of the International Commission for Orders of Chivalry. And into eugenics, big time.

He started the first British commandery of the OSLJ - and the first that didn't require postulants to be Catholic.

And it's a name I've "dropped" before, Lov.

TCP

rain · **Posted:** 30 Jan 2012 4:32 am

TCP wrote:

lovuian wrote:

TCP you name dropper

Is this the Gayre?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gayre

George Robert Gayre of Gayre

was a Scottish anthropologist who founded Mankind Quarterly. An expert on heraldry, he also founded The Armorial, and produced many books on this subject

Baron of Lochoreshyre; Chief of Clan Gayre; Chamberlain to the Prince of Lippe. Knight of the Sacred Military Order of Constantine St. George of Naples; Knight Commander of the Cross of Merit (Military Division) of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta; Knight Commander of the Order of Lippe; Knight Grand Cross with Collar of the Military and Hospitaller Order of St. Lazarus of Jerusalem; Knight Grand Officer of the Crown of Italy.

http://jtl.org/links/gayre.html
Race and Nazi Racism
and the Latter’s Impact
on Anthropology
by R. Gayre of Gayre

Born in Dublin and an Anglican, he earned an MA from University of Edinburgh, then studied at Exeter College, Oxford.

Gayre served with the British Expeditionary Force in France in 1939, as a Lieutenant-Colonel in the Royal Artilleryafterwards becoming Educational Adviser to the Allied Military Government of Italy, based in Palermo, where he fought for the exclusion of left-wing text-books and communist influence from the Italian education system. He was thereafter Director of Education to the Allied Control Commission for Italy, based in Naples; and Chief of Education and Religious Affairs, German Planning Unit, Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force. After the war he spent a considerable amount of time in India where he was instrumental in the establishment of the Italo-Indian Institute.

Both Gayre and Sir Thomas Innes of Learney were authors of books on heraldry. As Chief of Clan Gayre, Gayre appended "of Gayre and Nigg" becoming Grand Almoner, and Hereditary Commander of Lochore, of the Order of St. Lazarus of Jerusalem.

He was into bloodlines all right

In 1968 he testified on behalf of members of the Racial Preservation Society who were charged under the Race Relations Act for publishing racialist material
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gayre

I won't bother writing his prejudice testimony
let me say he was political
A conservative and anticommunist

Gayre talks about the Canary Islands and the Gauches
The Guanches may therefore have been of the Atlanto-Mediterranean type with the addition of some intrusive broad-skulled element, possibly Dinaric(which might be described as Maritime Armenoid), and even some Alpine elements. They would thus appear to have been a type similar to the peoples of the Iberian peninsular--and in so far as they were basically Atlanto-Mediterranean they showed a common relationship with the pre-celtic peoples of Brittany, Cornwall, Ireland, the western parts of Scotland, Dalarna(in Sweden) and Westphalia.
"Ethnological Elements of Africa" by Robert Gayre, 1966.

Chap IV The Canary Islands and Western Africa

Communism doesn't want kings or popes :wink:

dictators are ok

The same. Also the founder of the International Commission for Orders of Chivalry. And into eugenics, big time.

He started the first British commandery of the OSLJ - and the first that didn't require postulants to be Catholic.

And it's a name I've "dropped" before, Lov.

TCP

If you can find the conversation where we've discussed it before - it was a really great conversation. I got so much information from it.

lovuian · **Posted:** 30 Jan 2012 5:05 am

Thanks Rain and TCP
I looked on the Search engine that helped

Another of those beguiling coincidences is that Robert Gayre, who is mentioned above, was the head of the US branch of the racist organisation, the International Association for the Advancement of Eugenics and Ethnology, which is headquartered in Scotland. Eugenics formed a very powerful undercurrent in nazi ideology and thinking.

When I visited Edinburgh and visited Rosslyn ....just up aways they had cloned Polly and Molly
Roslin Institute in Edinburgh, Scotland.

what a coincidence
but it is moved to Edinburgh now

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

roscoe wrote:

Why is everyone wittering on about the three AMERICANS when the title of the thread is called

THE ENGLISH CONNECTION?

rain wrote:

Aren't the documents supposedly in an English bank - put their by three Americans or so the story goes?

roscoe wrote:

NOPE!!!

Try reading more than ONE book for a change.

Them there Americans was notaries on a document trying to sue Jean Luc Chaumeil. But I already this but you obviously had your head stuffed where the sun don't shine at the time.

rain wrote:

No, I was joking. And don't talk to me like that, thank you very much.
After 30 years one would think you could write a fully referenced essay that details the true events with evidence even if it circumstantial - but that's not the case is it.
You haven't even managed to work the timelines whereby the PoS keeps getting recycled, bit sad really.

'First people deny a thing. Then they belittle it. Then they decide it was known all along'.

No first I realise what your game is. Then I ignore you.

rain · **Posted:** 30 Jan 2012 6:13 am

lovuian wrote:

Thanks Rain and TCP
I looked on the Search engine that helped

Another of those beguiling coincidences is that Robert Gayre, who is mentioned above, was the head of the US branch of the racist organisation, the International Association for the Advancement of Eugenics and Ethnology, which is headquartered in Scotland. Eugenics formed a very powerful undercurrent in nazi ideology and thinking.

When I visited Edinburgh and visited Rosslyn ....just up aways they had cloned Polly and Molly
Roslin Institute in Edinburgh, Scotland.

what a coincidence
but it is moved to Edinburgh now

These are the links I had from before under the title Gayre Eugenics St Lazarus - I think by the 4th link I had gotten a bit excited (not sure it's of relevance or it's veracity).

See TCP, I do listen and take notes.

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listse ... 74214.html

http://www.google.com.au/search?sourcei ... saint+laza

http://www.whale.to/b/guyatt32.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/26902227/The-Committee-of-300

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

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That's a guess. I don't do guesses.

No Roscoe, you accept the fantasies of known conmen as reality :roll

Then we need to stop discussing Poussin and anything in the parchments. They came from these "Conmen".

Why are the French government currently marking the Paris Meridian with Lime Trees?

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

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However Drick's signature was on this document dated after he had died. But a person who knew all three did confirm that the signatures were genuine. But it seemed to be a direct copy (including spacing) of a document they'd all signed on the 10th Feb 1975. Somebody had used this for the Mis en Garde signatures. But even this poses questions.

The signatures were amended from the 1974 annual report of the First National Bank of Chicago, which had been widely circulated on Feb 10th 1975. You're obviously not reading my earlier posts.

I read the whole chapter old boy. AND. Isn't that what I just said? as for reading your posts that's akin to reading the toilet wall whilst occupied in other matters.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

Why use these people?

So that people like you, Roscoe, would jump up and go 'Ummmm, hold on there a minute! Chicago, well that's the home of the Jewish banker conspiracy. I read it somewhere on the Internet. Wow, the Priory of Sion must be a front for the Jewish bankers'

So did the HBHG team do this? Nice guess, no banana.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

How did they obtain the signatures? The original signatures had been done in light blue ink, a well known measure that would not photocopy.

What about a transfer trace?

What about a rubber stamp? After all that's what Plantard said.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

You can photograph the original and then photocopy it. But why bother, why not use some other signature?

Because Plantard et al wanted to fool people like you into believing that the Priory of Sion was something more than an absurd fantasy, and was part of the 'Jewish banking conspiracy'...

Still discussing him (and Poussin And the parchments) after all these years.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

The HBHG team planned an ambush on Plantard but it seems to me that someone had informed Plantard prior to the confrontation.

Or Plantard could have simply realised that Drick had died two years previously, was clever enough to know that BLL would also have found out, and that his bullshit was in danger of unravelling :lol:

Now who's not reading the book? Plantard came up with the answer before the HBHG team had even asked the questions.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

This stuff really is hilarious. Perhaps Plantard realised his fantasy was in danger when BLL phoned him some months prior to the 'ambush' you make reference to above:

Perhaps he didn't. Hey this dialogue by a series of Perhap-es is a good game. Any more perhap-es in your locker?

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Quote:

'Shortly after we had discovered the identities of Drick, Freeman and Abboud, we telephoned Plantard. Quite casually we mentioned that we had learned of their affiliation with the First national Bank of Chicago. 'Really', Plantard replied laconically, and with a certain irony in his voice, as if commending us for our thoroughness. We stated that, as a matter of course, we would naturally have to contact the three men in question. Plantard suddenly became distinctly nervous. Some very important issues were at stack, he declared. Would we please not contact the men in question until we had first had another personal meeting with him...'

Seriously Roscoe, you really should try and read the Messianic Legacy after you have removed your 'Jewish Banker conspiracy' spectacles. You'd then be able to see, quite clearly, that it is a crock of shite... :lol:

So why are you discussing Poussin, de Cherisey and the parchments? After all it's all part of the " crock of shite"?

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

Plantard's explantion?
The signatures were a rubber stamp and Drick's name could not be removed.

If you think that's funny then you need to get out more.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

Remember we are NOT discussing the possessors of the parchments here, that's the ENGLISH Connection, we are discussing the problem of Plantard, Cherisey et al with Jean Luc Chaumeil.

I know exactly what we are talking about, man! Read my earlier posts where I've tried to explain the various differences to everyone else. You might actually learn something.

So why are you asking me questions about these people from Chicago?

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:
As for that supposed English connection, how come you have steadfastly refused to engage me about that, or answer any of the questions I have posed regarding the subject?

Come on, Roscoe, have a semblance of intellectual integrity and at least discuss it...

We're seeing the reason now. De-Bate to you is something you put on De-Hook.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

I am discussing it. You want proof and confirmation of the activities of a secret society?

No Roscoe, you are ducking and diving furiously...but in the end you're only fooling yourself, not me!

No I'm keeping the thread at the top of the list until irmine returns. Formerly referred to by me as the Organ grinder.

Have a banana. Can you dance for it?

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

Why don't you ask me to do something simple like tap dance to the moon?

soooo lame...

Yes well maybe you should look at what Gino Sandri said about this whole affair.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

Old cliché alert.

Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence.

the nonsense peddler's mantra :lol:

Well PERHAPS it is, then again PERHAPS it isn't, then again PERHAPS you're just someone who is only here to argue.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

Only people who have read The Messianic Legacy can discuss this subject sensibly.

Chapter 20 is entitled

THE ELUSIVE AMERICAN CONTINGENT

I totally agree. So go and read it, without your 'Jewish banker conspiracy' specs and you will see it for the complete crock of shite that it really is!

Well also read OTHER BOOKS. Makes me unique on here I think. And I always substitute the word Jewish for the word Zionist. A political organisation labeled racist by the United Nations. Resolution 3379. An organisation that not only contains Jews.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

http://sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2007/02/125034.pdfSo the real questions here are really, really straightforward, and I've laid them out elsewhere. I'll repeat what I wrote:

Please yourself but I will still hold the view that arguing with a pig results in both of us getting covered in mud but the pig enjoys it. What's in it for me?

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Hi,

In the Rennes-le-Chateau section the poster known as 'Irmine' started a thread about the supposed 'English Connection' to Rennes-le-Chateau. It didn't go very far IMHO. AFAIK the claim that there was or is any 'English Connection' to Rennes-le-Chateau has never been conclusively shown. The claim exists AFAIK purely within the Priory of Sion narrative.

Not discussed the parchments yet old boy. You seem obsessed with the Chaumeil Mis-en-Garde. I'm interested in the parchments.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Irmine wrote:

Quote:

...the affair of 1955-6 involving the 'English gentlemen' [is] so crucial to the bloodline theme. I'll start by saying that the true identity of Henri LOBINEAU/Comte Henri de LENONCOURT was Uncle Etienne

And:

Quote:

I find the English affair the most absorbing aspect of 20th century British history. It's surprising that so many English people seem to avoid this subject. It is still an official secret and is likely to remain so for many years to come.

Etienne PLANTARD working for the British royal family? Surely not!

It is impossible IMHO to do anything with hearsay such as this...so what about the rest of the claim?

Why should that bother you at this stage? You have been PERHAPS-ING all the way through this so far.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

I'll begin with Roscoe's quote from The Messianic Legacy p288-289 (1996 Arrow edition):

Quote:

One of these items referred specifically to the parchments allegedly found by Berenger Sauniere in the church at Rennes le Chateau in 1891. We had heard conflicting stories about what became of these documents, but all of them were too vague to be checked. Although it subsequently became clear that Cherisey had not seen them personally, he offered what appeared to be some tangible clues. According to Cherisey, the clues in question were confided to him by an aging aristocrat Henri, Comte de Lenoncourt. Speaking of Sauniere's discovery, Lenoncourt is reported by Cherisey as saying:

"Saunière' found it - and never parted with it. His niece. Madame James of Montazels, inherited it in February 1917. In 1965, she sold it to the International League of Antiquarian Booksellers. She was not to know that one of the two respectable lawyers was Captain Ronald Stansmore of the British Intelligence Service and the other was Thomas Frazer, the eminence grise of Buckingham. The parchments of Blanche de Castille are presently in a strongbox of Lloyds Bank Europe Limited. Since the article in the Daily Express a paper with a circulation of 3,000,000, nobody in Britain is unaware of the demand for the recognition of Merovingian rights made in 1955 and 1956 by Sir Alexander Aikman and Sir John Montague Brocklebank. Major Hugh Murchison Clowes and nineteen other men in the office of P.F.J. Freeman Notary by Royal Appointment."

About which Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

Remember that this last piece in italics comes direct from Philippe de Cherisey. It later transpired that de Cherisey had got some of the names muddled but documents do indeed exist in a Lloyds Bank vault, though not the Lloyds Bank Europe Limited. They are now, allegedly, in a Parisian Bank located at 4 Place de Mexico.

So lets dump Philippe de Cherisey in all discussions on Rennes le Chateau from now on. He's clearly a liar. :wink:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

To which Davinho asked a very, very reasonable question:

Quote:

[And] you know this as fact?

Roscoe never answered, and then Renne and Wayward began to discuss Killer Whales on the thread!

No still waiting for irmine - The Organ Grinder as opposed to ........ well you know what.

But hey just for you I'll answer

[And] you know this as fact?

NO!

Next?

Gosh blush burp and fart. Nothing has changed.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

[And] you know this as fact? Anyway, if we ignore for now the hearsay that 'Henri, Comte de Lenoncourt' is Stephen Plantard, we can still question whether there is any evidence at all to support the claims made above.

We can question a lot of things. Is there evidence? Yes there's evidence, but no proof whatsoever. I take it you know the difference between proof and evidence?

But continuing with your theme. Is there any evidence to include Philippe de Cherisey, Poussin and the Parchments in any further in the discussion on Rennes le Chateau?

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Firstly, I remember reading that section of The Messianic Legacy and finding it particularly puzzling. BLL seemingly went to a lot of trouble to 'discover the truth' about the so-called 'English Connection', even going as far as questioning P.F.J. Freeman personally. After much huffing and puffing BLL deduced, true P.F.J. Freeman, that at least one of the so-called Notarised Documents was definitely a forgery.

However, they never, AFAIK, asked Freeman a very simple and straightforward question? Which was, of course... did twenty-two men ever enter this office to 'demand recognition of Merovingian rights'? Why did BLL not ask this simple, and absolutely essential question? They asked him numerous other questions, but not what would seem the most obvious and easy to either verify or dismiss!

IMHO they probably did indeed ask the question and were told, in no uncertain terms, that the event in question had never happened. That BLL did not confirm that the event did indeed take place speaks volumes IMHO and is more evidence of their narrative sleight-of-hand, designed to keep their claims intact.

The other obvious problem I noted was, despite their usual research diligence, BLL did not reproduce the supposed Daily Express article that had supposedly been read by 3000000 British readers, supposedly leaving 'nobody in Britain unaware of the demand for the recognition of Merovingian rights made in 1955 and 1956 by Sir Alexander Aikman and Sir John Montague Brocklebank'!

AFAIK no one has ever reproduced that article...

As Richard has kindly pointed out, it doesn't exist in the Daily Express archives. I'd be extremely interested to know if anyone has read it?

When one considers that at least one of the so-called Notarised Documents was without question a forgery, and the extreme unlikelihood that 22 men ever demanded recognition of Merovingian rights in the office of P.F.J. Freeman, and the possibility that the supposed Daily Express article never actually existed (can someone produce it?), is there anything left to suggest that there is indeed any 'English Connection' at all?

Regards,

Spartacus

Hmm! OK then thanks for that. I guess you wont be taking part in this thread any more then. It's all sorted. Bye Bye!

Was there something else?

BREAK!

Has irmine showed up yet??

These long diatribes are a symbol of a confused mind. The quotes are out of sync but can't be arsed to fix it. My time is clearly better served than yours is.

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

roscoe wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

That's a guess. I don't do guesses.

No Roscoe, you accept the fantasies of known conmen as reality :roll

Then we need to stop discussing Poussin and anything in the parchments. They came from these "Conmen".

Why are the French government currently marking the Paris Meridian with Lime Trees?

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

However Drick's signature was on this document dated after he had died. But a person who knew all three did confirm that the signatures were genuine. But it seemed to be a direct copy (including spacing) of a document they'd all signed on the 10th Feb 1975. Somebody had used this for the Mis en Garde signatures. But even this poses questions.

The signatures were amended from the 1974 annual report of the First National Bank of Chicago, which had been widely circulated on Feb 10th 1975. You're obviously not reading my earlier posts.

I read the whole chapter old boy. AND. Isn't that what I just said? as for reading your posts that's akin to reading the toilet wall whilst occupied in other matters.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

Why use these people?

So that people like you, Roscoe, would jump up and go 'Ummmm, hold on there a minute! Chicago, well that's the home of the Jewish banker conspiracy. I read it somewhere on the Internet. Wow, the Priory of Sion must be a front for the Jewish bankers'

So did the HBHG team do this? Nice guess, no banana.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

How did they obtain the signatures? The original signatures had been done in light blue ink, a well known measure that would not photocopy.

What about a transfer trace?

What about a rubber stamp? After all that's what Plantard said.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

You can photograph the original and then photocopy it. But why bother, why not use some other signature?

Because Plantard et al wanted to fool people like you into believing that the Priory of Sion was something more than an absurd fantasy, and was part of the 'Jewish banking conspiracy'...

Still discussing him (and Poussin And the parchments) after all these years.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

The HBHG team planned an ambush on Plantard but it seems to me that someone had informed Plantard prior to the confrontation.

Or Plantard could have simply realised that Drick had died two years previously, was clever enough to know that BLL would also have found out, and that his bullshit was in danger of unravelling :lol:

Now who's not reading the book? Plantard came up with the answer before the HBHG team had even asked the questions.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

This stuff really is hilarious. Perhaps Plantard realised his fantasy was in danger when BLL phoned him some months prior to the 'ambush' you make reference to above:

Perhaps he didn't. Hey this dialogue by a series of Perhap-es is a good game. Any more perhap-es in your locker?

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Quote:

'Shortly after we had discovered the identities of Drick, Freeman and Abboud, we telephoned Plantard. Quite casually we mentioned that we had learned of their affiliation with the First national Bank of Chicago. 'Really', Plantard replied laconically, and with a certain irony in his voice, as if commending us for our thoroughness. We stated that, as a matter of course, we would naturally have to contact the three men in question. Plantard suddenly became distinctly nervous. Some very important issues were at stack, he declared. Would we please not contact the men in question until we had first had another personal meeting with him...'

Seriously Roscoe, you really should try and read the Messianic Legacy after you have removed your 'Jewish Banker conspiracy' spectacles. You'd then be able to see, quite clearly, that it is a crock of shite... :lol:

So why are you discussing Poussin, de Cherisey and the parchments? After all it's all part of the " crock of shite"?

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

Plantard's explantion?
The signatures were a rubber stamp and Drick's name could not be removed.

If you think that's funny then you need to get out more.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

Remember we are NOT discussing the possessors of the parchments here, that's the ENGLISH Connection, we are discussing the problem of Plantard, Cherisey et al with Jean Luc Chaumeil.

I know exactly what we are talking about, man! Read my earlier posts where I've tried to explain the various differences to everyone else. You might actually learn something.

So why are you asking me questions about these people from Chicago?

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:
As for that supposed English connection, how come you have steadfastly refused to engage me about that, or answer any of the questions I have posed regarding the subject?

Come on, Roscoe, have a semblance of intellectual integrity and at least discuss it...

We're seeing the reason now. De-Bate to you is something you put on De-Hook.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

I am discussing it. You want proof and confirmation of the activities of a secret society?

No Roscoe, you are ducking and diving furiously...but in the end you're only fooling yourself, not me!

No I'm keeping the thread at the top of the list until irmine returns. Formerly referred to by me as the Organ grinder.

Have a banana. Can you dance for it?

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

Why don't you ask me to do something simple like tap dance to the moon?

soooo lame...

Yes well maybe you should look at what Gino Sandri said about this whole affair.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

Old cliché alert.

Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence.

the nonsense peddler's mantra :lol:

Well PERHAPS it is, then again PERHAPS it isn't, then again PERHAPS you're just someone who is only here to argue.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

Only people who have read The Messianic Legacy can discuss this subject sensibly.

Chapter 20 is entitled

THE ELUSIVE AMERICAN CONTINGENT

I totally agree. So go and read it, without your 'Jewish banker conspiracy' specs and you will see it for the complete crock of shite that it really is!

Well also read OTHER BOOKS. Makes me unique on here I think. And I always substitute the word Jewish for the word Zionist. A political organisation labeled racist by the United Nations. Resolution 3379. An organisation that not only contains Jews.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

http://sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2007/02/125034.pdfSo the real questions here are really, really straightforward, and I've laid them out elsewhere. I'll repeat what I wrote:

Please yourself but I will still hold the view that arguing with a pig results in both of us getting covered in mud but the pig enjoys it. What's in it for me?

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Hi,

In the Rennes-le-Chateau section the poster known as 'Irmine' started a thread about the supposed 'English Connection' to Rennes-le-Chateau. It didn't go very far IMHO. AFAIK the claim that there was or is any 'English Connection' to Rennes-le-Chateau has never been conclusively shown. The claim exists AFAIK purely within the Priory of Sion narrative.

Not discussed the parchments yet old boy. You seem obsessed with the Chaumeil Mis-en-Garde. I'm interested in the parchments.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Irmine wrote:

Quote:

...the affair of 1955-6 involving the 'English gentlemen' [is] so crucial to the bloodline theme. I'll start by saying that the true identity of Henri LOBINEAU/Comte Henri de LENONCOURT was Uncle Etienne

And:

Quote:

I find the English affair the most absorbing aspect of 20th century British history. It's surprising that so many English people seem to avoid this subject. It is still an official secret and is likely to remain so for many years to come.

Etienne PLANTARD working for the British royal family? Surely not!

It is impossible IMHO to do anything with hearsay such as this...so what about the rest of the claim?

Why should that bother you at this stage? You have been PERHAPS-ING all the way through this so far.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

I'll begin with Roscoe's quote from The Messianic Legacy p288-289 (1996 Arrow edition):

Quote:

One of these items referred specifically to the parchments allegedly found by Berenger Sauniere in the church at Rennes le Chateau in 1891. We had heard conflicting stories about what became of these documents, but all of them were too vague to be checked. Although it subsequently became clear that Cherisey had not seen them personally, he offered what appeared to be some tangible clues. According to Cherisey, the clues in question were confided to him by an aging aristocrat Henri, Comte de Lenoncourt. Speaking of Sauniere's discovery, Lenoncourt is reported by Cherisey as saying:

"Saunière' found it - and never parted with it. His niece. Madame James of Montazels, inherited it in February 1917. In 1965, she sold it to the International League of Antiquarian Booksellers. She was not to know that one of the two respectable lawyers was Captain Ronald Stansmore of the British Intelligence Service and the other was Thomas Frazer, the eminence grise of Buckingham. The parchments of Blanche de Castille are presently in a strongbox of Lloyds Bank Europe Limited. Since the article in the Daily Express a paper with a circulation of 3,000,000, nobody in Britain is unaware of the demand for the recognition of Merovingian rights made in 1955 and 1956 by Sir Alexander Aikman and Sir John Montague Brocklebank. Major Hugh Murchison Clowes and nineteen other men in the office of P.F.J. Freeman Notary by Royal Appointment."

About which Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

Remember that this last piece in italics comes direct from Philippe de Cherisey. It later transpired that de Cherisey had got some of the names muddled but documents do indeed exist in a Lloyds Bank vault, though not the Lloyds Bank Europe Limited. They are now, allegedly, in a Parisian Bank located at 4 Place de Mexico.

So lets dump Philippe de Cherisey in all discussions on Rennes le Chateau from now on. He's clearly a liar. :wink:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

To which Davinho asked a very, very reasonable question:

Quote:

[And] you know this as fact?

Roscoe never answered, and then Renne and Wayward began to discuss Killer Whales on the thread!

No still waiting for irmine - The Organ Grinder as opposed to ........ well you know what.

But hey just for you I'll answer

[And] you know this as fact?

NO!

Next?

Gosh blush burp and fart. Nothing has changed.

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

[And] you know this as fact? Anyway, if we ignore for now the hearsay that 'Henri, Comte de Lenoncourt' is Stephen Plantard, we can still question whether there is any evidence at all to support the claims made above.

We can question a lot of things. Is there evidence? Yes there's evidence, but no proof whatsoever. I take it you know the difference between proof and evidence?

But continuing with your theme. Is there any evidence to include Philippe de Cherisey, Poussin and the Parchments in any further in the discussion on Rennes le Chateau?

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Firstly, I remember reading that section of The Messianic Legacy and finding it particularly puzzling. BLL seemingly went to a lot of trouble to 'discover the truth' about the so-called 'English Connection', even going as far as questioning P.F.J. Freeman personally. After much huffing and puffing BLL deduced, true P.F.J. Freeman, that at least one of the so-called Notarised Documents was definitely a forgery.

However, they never, AFAIK, asked Freeman a very simple and straightforward question? Which was, of course... did twenty-two men ever enter this office to 'demand recognition of Merovingian rights'? Why did BLL not ask this simple, and absolutely essential question? They asked him numerous other questions, but not what would seem the most obvious and easy to either verify or dismiss!

IMHO they probably did indeed ask the question and were told, in no uncertain terms, that the event in question had never happened. That BLL did not confirm that the event did indeed take place speaks volumes IMHO and is more evidence of their narrative sleight-of-hand, designed to keep their claims intact.

The other obvious problem I noted was, despite their usual research diligence, BLL did not reproduce the supposed Daily Express article that had supposedly been read by 3000000 British readers, supposedly leaving 'nobody in Britain unaware of the demand for the recognition of Merovingian rights made in 1955 and 1956 by Sir Alexander Aikman and Sir John Montague Brocklebank'!

AFAIK no one has ever reproduced that article...

As Richard has kindly pointed out, it doesn't exist in the Daily Express archives. I'd be extremely interested to know if anyone has read it?

When one considers that at least one of the so-called Notarised Documents was without question a forgery, and the extreme unlikelihood that 22 men ever demanded recognition of Merovingian rights in the office of P.F.J. Freeman, and the possibility that the supposed Daily Express article never actually existed (can someone produce it?), is there anything left to suggest that there is indeed any 'English Connection' at all?

Regards,

Spartacus

Hmm! OK then thanks for that. I guess you wont be taking part in this thread any more then. It's all sorted. Bye Bye!

Was there something else?

BREAK!

Has irmine showed up yet??

These long diatribes are a symbol of a confused mind. The quotes are out of sync but can't be arsed to fix it. My time is clearly better served than yours is.

Roscoe the Cop-Out King :lol:

You're an absolute joke... :mrgreen:

Did the Daily Express feature an 'article' demanding recognition of Merovingian 'rights'? (I've given a hint elsewhere about this)

Did 22 men ever enter the office of P.F.J. Freeman and demand recognition of Merovingian 'rights'?

Have you any EVIDENCE that the so-called 'parchments' exist anywhere outside your imagination?

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe the Cop-Out King :lol:

You're an absolute joke... :mrgreen:

Did the Daily Express feature an 'article' demanding recognition of Merovingian 'rights'? (I've given a hint elsewhere about this)

Did 22 men ever enter the office of P.F.J. Freeman and demand recognition of Merovingian 'rights'?

Have you any EVIDENCE that the so-called 'parchments' exist anywhere outside your imagination?

Certainly do.

Is irmine here yet?

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

roscoe wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe the Cop-Out King :lol:

You're an absolute joke... :mrgreen:

Did the Daily Express feature an 'article' demanding recognition of Merovingian 'rights'? (I've given a hint elsewhere about this)

Did 22 men ever enter the office of P.F.J. Freeman and demand recognition of Merovingian 'rights'?

Have you any EVIDENCE that the so-called 'parchments' exist anywhere outside your imagination?

Certainly do.

Is irmine here yet?

Do you want to present it for scrutiny?

Davinho · **Joined:** 26 Jan 2010 10:58 am **Posts:** 1806

Quote:

Certainly do.

and I'd certainly be interested in that...I guess we all would

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

roscoe wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Roscoe the Cop-Out King :lol:

You're an absolute joke... :mrgreen:

Did the Daily Express feature an 'article' demanding recognition of Merovingian 'rights'? (I've given a hint elsewhere about this)

Did 22 men ever enter the office of P.F.J. Freeman and demand recognition of Merovingian 'rights'?

Have you any EVIDENCE that the so-called 'parchments' exist anywhere outside your imagination?

Certainly do.

Is irmine here yet?

Do you want to present it for scrutiny?

Nah!

Oh by the way. I just got this link on Twitter from someone called Andrew Gough

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Roscoe wrote:

Quote:

Oh by the way. I just got this link on Twitter from someone called Andrew Gough:

http://mindscapemagazine.com/2012/01/bombshell-for-those-who-insist-that-the-illuminati-is-a-myth/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Good for you Roscoe. Your great fear and paranoia must feel so validated.

What is it you are trying to preach, Roscoe?

That cabals of wealthy and powerful people have great and nefarious influence on human society...

Roscoe, I have a revelation for you. It has always been so, and will always be so. Humans are social mammals with a powerful tendency to naturally organise themselves in hierarchical groupings! That mammals at the pinnacle of such hierarchical groupings manipulate events to best reward themselves should come as a surprise only to idiots.

What I take exception to is your continued risible attempts to claim that 'it was the Jews what did it', and your utterly hilarious attempts to 'prove' that the 'Priory of Sion' is anything other than a fantasy narrative, created in the 1950s/60s, especially for idiots.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

What I take exception to is your continued risible attempts to claim that 'it was the Jews what did it',

But I don't.

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

roscoe wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

What I take exception to is your continued risible attempts to claim that 'it was the Jews what did it',

But I don't.

Ok, explain then, if I have misunderstood you!

Edited to add:

I took this from another thread Roscoe. You wrote it just a few hours ago:

Roscoe wrote (to Sheila I think):

Quote:

Got a lot of questions haven't you? No answers to direct questions just a lot of questions.

Luv the way you clam up when asked a direct question. You get more like Roger everyday.

POT - KETTLE - BLACK, ROGCOER :!: