The English Connection

Sheila · **Posted:** 28 Jan 2012 9:10 am

Rain wrote:

It could also mean a photo of the Doctored transmissions/dossiers.
Le petit bleu - the blue paper telegraphs used to be sent on. Bleu papier. So therefore a photo of the photocopy.

Now there's a girl who uses her brain....

and in actual fact, now that i think about it... it doesn't even have to be a photo, it could be a reference to a 'carbon copy' the 'carbon copy' sheet which was put in between two sheets of paper and inserted into the typewriter....brings back memories for those of us who used to type out whole books in this manner. Black for typewriters and blue or black for the reproduction of handwritten documents using a pen.

Quote:

noir pour la reproduction de documents tapés à la machine à écrire
bleu ou noir pour la reproduction de documents rédigés à la main avec un stylo

rain · **Posted:** 28 Jan 2012 10:28 am

jlockest wrote:

I'm not sure if I posted this before, but the Maranatha book was printed by Clowes (from recollection when I followed the link, I seem to recall that Clowes is now part of a larger printing group) - as I guess thousands of books in the UK are..
Maybe a simple coincidence due to PPubs location anyway, or it may have been intentionally printed there to add an additional mysterious link or there may be some link. Presumably Duncan could answer that.

My dear sweet Jlo, I think it's been pointed out in many different forms and in many different ways what and wherefore art thou book should derive from and exactly what "type of book" it is.
So none of this should come as a surprise in fact if I hadn't intimated before I shall do so now, again, there was very good reason "why" should not actually send a completed version of the book in.
It's like sending a submission or a c.v. in - if you know the answer, you know to whom you would be working for and considering they use a Baconian pig-pen cipher to deliver the puzzle - that should tip you off as well.

rain · **Posted:** 28 Jan 2012 10:36 am

Sheila wrote:

Rain wrote:

It could also mean a photo of the Doctored transmissions/dossiers.
Le petit bleu - the blue paper telegraphs used to be sent on. Bleu papier. So therefore a photo of the photocopy.

Now there's a girl who uses her brain....

and in actual fact, now that i think about it... it doesn't even have to be a photo, it could be a reference to a 'carbon copy' the 'carbon copy' sheet which was put in between two sheets of paper and inserted into the typewriter....brings back memories for those of us who used to type out whole books in this manner. Black for typewriters and blue or black for the reproduction of handwritten documents using a pen.

Quote:

noir pour la reproduction de documents tapés à la machine à écrire
bleu ou noir pour la reproduction de documents rédigés à la main avec un stylo

That would be interesting - carbon copies because it might leave residue.
It's probably something really simple and like "green eggs and ham" and Tertius is having a good 'ole chuckle at us.

Sheila · **Posted:** 28 Jan 2012 10:55 am

exactly, it's probably something simple...my first though, which seems to have caused such complications and furore, was "blue screen" as in a "green screen"...as in a faked set up....as in a faked photo.
But i see now it might be a reference to The Blue Process as in "blue prints".

Quote:

The blue process was a contact printing technology: photosensitive paper was placed in contact with the document that was being copied. A clerk began by using paper and chemicals (potassium ferrocyanide and ferric citrate) to prepare photosensitive paper. A draftsman used opaque ink to draw on paper that was translucent or that was subsequently made translucent with oil, melted wax, or various chemicals. Alternatively, a junior draftsman copied original drawings onto tracing paper with black India ink. The clerk then put a sheet of photosensitive paper in the tray of a blue printing frame, covered this with the translucent original or India ink tracing, and covered this with a heavy glass plate that pressed the papers together. The blue printing frame was installed so that the prepared tray could be pushed out a window into the sunlight. The clerk exposed the tray for anywhere from several minutes to an hour, depending on the brightness of the day, and used chemicals to fix the print. The result, a blue print, had a blue background where the photosensitive paper had been exposed to light and white lines where the paper had not been exposed. The blue process was time consuming and impractical for duplication of typical office documents, however, even though by 1881 commercially prepared photosensitive paper for use in the blue process was available.

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Sheila wrote:

exactly, it's probably something simple...my first though, which seems to have caused such complications and furore, was "blue screen" as in a "green screen"...as in a faked set up....as in a faked photo.

How about 'smoke screen'?

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Sheila · **Posted:** 28 Jan 2012 12:43 pm

Quote:

Il est triste de constater que certaines personnes ne savent pas differencier entre un tampon et une machine fort utile appelee "auto-pen". De la meme maniere ils semblent ignorer le "bleu photo".

Ah, the penny finally dropped....how about this...

More generally, the term "blueprint" has come to be used to refer to any detailed plan.

to be ignorant of the detailed plan..... as in the bigger picture.

Sheila · **Posted:** 28 Jan 2012 12:49 pm

just a guess :oops:

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Tertius wrote:

Il est triste de constater que certaines personnes ne savent pas differencier entre un tampon et une machine fort utile appelee "auto-pen". De la meme maniere ils semblent ignorer le "bleu photo".

Je ne saurais assez prevenir les lecteurs de ce forum contre les affabulations d'anciens adherents de la pretendue Societe Augustinienne.

Google translation:

Quote:

It is sad that some people do not differentiate between a stamp and a very useful machine called "auto-pen." In the same way they seem to ignore the "blue photo".

I can not sufficiently prevent the readers of this forum against the fabrications of former members of the alleged partnership Augustinian.

Since I don't read French, googling is the best that I can do. Roger, before he deleted himself, ridiculed Jean-Luc Chaumeil for his continued and foolish need to write in abstruse language..!

Anywhooo... I'll make an attempt at deciphering this cryptic 'riddle'!

I'm pretty sure that the first sentence of the this great enigma relates to the discussion between Tim and myself directly preceding Roger's gem:

Quote:

Tim wrote:

Plantard admitted they were rubber stamps; it's also been suggested that they were photocopied.

Quote:

Spartacus wrote:

The signatures were originally printed using a type of ink that had no graphite content... Plantard claimed that they were rubber stamps to try and explain away the fact that John Drick had died two years before he supposedly signed off on the 'mis en garde'. It is almost certain that the signatures used on the 'mis en garde' were simply lifted from the 1974 annual report of the First National Bank of Chicago (AFAIK), which had been widely circulated on Feb 10th 1975!

Because of the abstruse nature of Roger's post I'll have to make a guess here, but is the Grand Svengali simply voicing his opinion that the 'signatures' amended to the 'mis en garde' were done so using an auto-pen rather than a rubber stamp. If so, we are then into the other 'layers' and 'levels' that everyone seem's to love so much. Is the Grand Svengali implying that the fact that the signatures are exact duplicates of the signatures found on the 1974 annual report of the First National Bank of Chicago (which had been widely circulated on Feb 10th 1975) does not necessarily mean that they are 'fakes'? Or is Roger simply opining that Plantard et al had access to an auto-pen 'signature' for each of the men? AFAIK it has been claimed that the signatures amended to the 'mis en garde' are an exact copy of the annual report in sequence and in relation to each other (can someone correct me on that?!). If that is the case, the auto-pen would need to do all three signatures together. Do such auto-pens exist?

It was this 'sequence and relation' issue that made some researchers believe that the 'signatures and sequence' on the 'mis en garde' must simply be a photocopy of the annual report. However, as I noted earlier, it came to light that the signatures on the annual report were originally printed using a type of ink that had no graphite content. In case this went over anyone's head, this would mean that the signatures on the 'mis en garde' could not have been simply 'photocopied'?

This is a wild stab in the dark here :!:

, but could Roger's reference to a 'bleu photo' be an opine regarding some form a technique that can photo signatures with no graphite contant? OMG, OMG, OMG, it's all such a mystery!

Anyway, I've always wondered why a careful 'tracing paper job' couldn't adequately explain all of this?

Scenario:

Plantard et al 'zero in' on the three bankers to bolster their 'Jewish conspiracy' nonsense, perhaps using these three after finding their names, in the Freeman memoir, with Mr. Ayers. Plantard et al then get their hand's on a copy of the 1974 annual report and attempt to photocopy it. When that fails they do a thorough tracing paper transfer forgery (I'm sure most people people can work out how simple that would be if one was determined enough to make sure to do it correctly). They then photocopy the transfer and amend that to the 'mis en garde'!

I'm happy enough for the above scenario to be scrutined and thorn to shreds btw... fire away!

As to the second part of Roger's post...would I right in translating it thus:

Quote:

I cannot sufficiently protect the readers of this forum against the fabrications of alleged former members of the Augustinian Society.

Was this simply a stab at something Tim had wrote earlier regarding the Augustinian Society?!

Regards,

Spartacus

rain · **Posted:** 28 Jan 2012 1:26 pm

Sheila wrote:

Quote:

Il est triste de constater que certaines personnes ne savent pas differencier entre un tampon et une machine fort utile appelee "auto-pen". De la meme maniere ils semblent ignorer le "bleu photo".

Ah, the penny finally dropped....how about this...

More generally, the term "blueprint" has come to be used to refer to any detailed plan.

to be ignorant of the detailed plan..... as in the bigger picture.

I have a preference for this because it addresses the motive as well as the detail of having created it. So it works on two levels.

:lol:

This is fun - I'm hitting the cookies again because of my wisdom teeth - how ironic.

Also that list has always annoyed and I read - Guy Patton mentioned you should break up into 4 or 5 groups so that's the pattern. So it is a Plan - from Stan the Man.
Also don't all the Possie's put their true intent in CAPITAL LETTERS for emphasis for a reason....

I think I'm working on the wrong photo of the letter above in fact I'm not sure what "Bleu photo" Tertius is referring to.

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

rain wrote:

Sheila wrote:

Quote:

Il est triste de constater que certaines personnes ne savent pas differencier entre un tampon et une machine fort utile appelee "auto-pen". De la meme maniere ils semblent ignorer le "bleu photo".

Ah, the penny finally dropped....how about this...

More generally, the term "blueprint" has come to be used to refer to any detailed plan.

to be ignorant of the detailed plan..... as in the bigger picture.

I have a preference for this because it addresses the motive as well as the detail of having created it. So it works on two levels.

:lol:

This is fun - I'm hitting the cookies again because of my wisdom teeth - how ironic.

Also that list has always annoyed and I read - Guy Patton mentioned you should break up into 4 or 5 groups so that's the pattern. So it is a Plan - from Stan the Man.
Also don't all the Possie's put their true intent in CAPITAL LETTERS for emphasis for a reason....

I think I'm working on the wrong photo of the letter above in fact I'm not sure what "Bleu photo" Tertius is referring to.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 7024

richard.webster wrote:

irmine wrote:

In the light of all these clues, what can my readers work out from this?

Presumably that you are making some sort of reference to the Freeman notarised "Demand for the Recognition of Merovingian Rights", supposedly made in the mid-1950s by Sir Alexander Aikman, Sir John Montague Brocklebank and Major Hugh Murchison Clowes, plus nineteen un-named others (3 + 19 = 22, BTW, mildly interesting?), as related in The Messianic Legacy. Or not. I find your multiple delphic postings more than a little bewildering.

I will, however, "reader" to "author", as it were, pose a few questions of my own, that you may care to elucidate upon, pertaining as they do to various matters that you have raised here, and also to "English connections". I don't necessarily expect answers, which of course you are not obliged to provide in any event, but I shall ask them anyway, just for the fun of it.

1. You referred earlier to a photograph of a young Thomas Plantard on Blanchefort. Do you hold to the belief that this Plantard was inducted into the PdS in 1989 at the Convent of Avignon? If so, what is his current role in the order?

2. Speaking of Plantard family connections to the area around Rennes-les-Bains, is it correct, as others have contended, that Pierre Plantard owned a burial plot in the cemetry here, previously marked by a wooden cross by the church wall, and subsequently washed away in the recent floods, and that this cross formed part of an alignment (referenced in the "Boudet Tombs" thread) with the Boudet family tomb, a sphere on the church roof, a menhir beyond that, and Rennes-le-Chateau church?

3. On a similar theme, is it the case that the Plantard family continues to own plots of land in the area, and specifically in the vicinity of Roco Negre, which Plantard contended was the entrance to a subterranean temple?

4. If there is purported to be a temple beneath the black rock, is this the same as the Temple of Isis referenced by de Cherisy?

5. Was there truly a schism in the 1950s between the French and the Anglo-American components of the PdS, and if so, why?

6. How much credence do you give to the involvement of the League of Antiquarian Booksellers in this affair, and in particular to the letter bearing their name that was sent to M. Fatin, the owner of Rennes-le-Chateau castle, in the 1960s (sorry, the date escapes me, and I don't have this material to hand)?

I could go on and on, but I won't, as I'm sure these are bound to be rhetorical questions, but finally, one more.

7. Speaking of "English connections" - what connection, if any, does Nicolas Haywood have to the PdS?

irmine wrote:

1. Thomas joined the Prieure in 1989, but never became Grand Master, nor did he write Le Cercle which was attributed to him in that year.

2. The burial plot by the tilleul was never actually owned by Pierre but it was in his interest to place a marker bearing his name there - until the inundation swept it away into the river along with the tree. The alignment you speak of was based on geometry created by J-P DELOUX and Jacques BRETIGNY, Prieure members, for the 'cause'. It is significant - up to a point.

3. When Pierre died, Thomas inherited the eight plots of land at Roc Negre, although the mairie still had them recorded in his father's name long after. There were two main reasons for buying the plots - one to obtain voting rights within the parish and the other to regain his inheritance symbolically.

4. The Temple I have not seen. I cannot say. Yes, it can be termed a Temple of Isis. AB URBE CONDITUM ...1681

5. The schism of 1956 is one of my main interests and dates back to Pierre VI PLANTARD's meeting with Abbe Pierre PLANTARD before the war. The Abbe's unreasonable demands sowed the seeds of the schism. In fact, it began as a family feud between two branches, one branch had English connections - which led after the war to the rise of the Anglo-American faction.

6. The ILAB-FATIN affair is linked to the events of 1955-6 and was an MI6 operation - entirely British. The background of the true ILAB is worth researching. The intoxication operation was complex and actually DOES involve GENUINE parchments dating back to 1244. It was highly political and sensitive and is still an official secret in Britain and France. A member of my family who died in 1978 was involved in this affair. FRAZER was the link between MOUNTBATTEN and the French agent who obtained the parchments from Nevers in 1950. Earl SELBORNE was a key player for he had run SOE during the war and already knew certain people. The CLOWES family knew the Paris firm LETOUZEY et ANE, and yes, Abbe SAUNIERE did stay at ANE's where he met HOFFET etc.

7. I cannot answer this. I believe he is genuine but have never met him.

Will that do? As I'm in a library I don't have access to any archives and short on time.

bump

Why is everyone wittering on about the three AMERICANS when the title of the thread is called

THE ENGLISH CONNECTION?

rain · **Posted:** 28 Jan 2012 2:03 pm

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Hey, I've got a good title for your book - Sp - Call it "HOW TO EMPTY A PUB -101 "

:lol:

rain · **Posted:** 28 Jan 2012 2:06 pm

roscoe wrote:

bump

Why is everyone wittering on about the three AMERICANS when the title of the thread is called

THE ENGLISH CONNECTION?

Aren't the documents supposedly in an English bank - put their by three Americans or so the story goes?

English bank - English connection - case closed :!:

jlockest · **Joined:** 13 Aug 2010 5:37 pm **Posts:** 1012

rain wrote:

jlockest wrote:

I'm not sure if I posted this before, but the Maranatha book was printed by Clowes (from recollection when I followed the link, I seem to recall that Clowes is now part of a larger printing group) - as I guess thousands of books in the UK are..
Maybe a simple coincidence due to PPubs location anyway, or it may have been intentionally printed there to add an additional mysterious link or there may be some link. Presumably Duncan could answer that.

My dear sweet Jlo, I think it's been pointed out in many different forms and in many different ways what and wherefore art thou book should derive from and exactly what "type of book" it is.
So none of this should come as a surprise in fact if I hadn't intimated before I shall do so now, again, there was very good reason "why" should not actually send a completed version of the book in.
It's like sending a submission or a c.v. in - if you know the answer, you know to whom you would be working for and considering they use a Baconian pig-pen cipher to deliver the puzzle - that should tip you off as well.

You've lost me Rain. I can't work out what the above means or what you're trying to say.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 7024

rain wrote:

roscoe wrote:

bump

Why is everyone wittering on about the three AMERICANS when the title of the thread is called

THE ENGLISH CONNECTION?

Aren't the documents supposedly in an English bank - put their by three Americans or so the story goes?

NOPE!!!

Try reading more than ONE book for a change.

Them there Americans was notaries on a document trying to sue Jean Luc Chaumeil. But I already this but you obviously had your head stuffed where the sun don't shine at the time.

lovuian · **Posted:** 28 Jan 2012 5:05 pm

Roscoe

ETATS-UNIS d'OCCIDENT. This appeared in Plantard's cover of Vaincre. The journal of Statutes of Alpha Galates (First Gauls)

which comprised of Nine Degrees, the last three are called:

Son Excellence Druidique

Son Altesse Druidique

Sa Majesté Druidique

It depicts a knight carrying the Prieure de Sion standard heading towards the symbol for Aquarius, the next astrological age after the current age Pisces.

The road is between Brittany and Bavaria. GRAIL COUNTRY

Quote:

A United Europe was clearly a vision of Plantard’s 1940 vision, as expressed in the issues of Vaincre. And in the 1950s, a New York-based group called the American Committee on United Europe, whose leadership included General Bill Donovan, wartime head of the OSS (the fore-runner of the CIA), George Marshall, the US Secretary of State, and Allen Dulles, then Director of the CIA.
This high-powered CIA-funded pressure group financed the so-called European Movement, headed by Joseph Retinger, who promoted select gatherings of European and American politicians, businessmen, aristocrats, top civil servants and military leaders. It is also a group that would later inspire Prince Bernhard to create the Bilderberg group, which is now known to have equally been set up with CIA funding.

In 2000, declassified American government documents showed that the US intelligence community funded and directed the European federalist movement. One memorandum, dated July 26, 1950, gave instructions for a campaign to promote a fully fledged European parliament. It was signed by Gen. William J. Donovan, head of the American wartime Office of Strategic Services, precursor of the CIA. The vice chairman was Allen Dulles. The board included Walter Bedell Smith, the CIA’s first director, and a roster of ex-OSS figures and officials who moved in and out of the CIA.
The documents again showed that ACUE financed the European Movement, the most important federalist organization in the post-war years. In 1958, for example, it provided 53.5 per cent of the movement’s funds. Most interestingly, these documents again confirmed that the European Youth Campaign, an arm of the European Movement, was wholly funded and controlled by Washington.

Societe Perillos

American Committee on United Europe was started by William J Donovan. Donovan also started GLADIO

I like the last sentence:

Quote:

The head of the Ford Foundation, ex-OSS officer Paul Hoffman, doubled as head of ACUE in the late Fifties. The State Department also played a role. A memo from the European section, dated June 11, 1965, advises the vice-president of the European Economic Community, Robert Marjolin, to pursue monetary union by stealth.

It recommends suppressing debate until the point at which "adoption of such proposals would become virtually inescapable".

- A Daily Telegraph article on newly released secret documents in 2000.

T.H.E.Y. want a Fascist Europe and a Fascist United States. By stealth this time.

Oh and by the way

This will include an "independent" :lol:

Scotland. The banks will crush them until they play ball.

NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM[/quote]

The American side of the Priory didn't appreciate Plantard exposing them

as for Daley
photo shopped or not

He was there as TCP says

and when you look at all of them there
It is a powerhouse of people from Chicago
who at this moment has a president in the White house who is from Illinois
The Catholic political powerhouse Daley
The powerful Freeman with connections to Chase Morgan (Rockefeller) and the CIA as well as the US Treasury
and Chargall who is the philosopher king as we say

Yes Roscoe the United States of Europe
was on the horizon[/quote]

Here's the names in the ENGLISH CONNECTION to conjure with

Sir Thomas Frazer
Only one by that name died in 1920
But the family has links to the Jacobites.

Captain Ronald Stansmore Nutting
(born in Dublin) who is reported by reliable sources to have been in British Intelligence MI5, and had sat on the board of directors of at least 14 companies.

Sir Alexander Aikman

Sir John Montague Brocklebank
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/4199/brocklebank.jpg
Glasgow Herald Sept 1959
Chairman of Cunard

Major Hugh Murchison Clowes

Blackford
Baron Blackford (Glyn Mason, Conservative MP and Speaker of the House of Lords)

Viscount Frederick Leathers.
1st Viscount Leathers was Minister of War Transport in WWII
And he accompanied Churchill to the Yalta and Potsdam talks.
He negotiated the lend-lease of American ships to Britain.

Earl of Selbourne
Minister of Economic Warfare, was in overall charge of the Special Operations Executive (SOE), Britain's covert operations agency.
He was also a religious conservative of the Anglican Church, and a dedicated monarchist, even supporting a resurgence of monarchy in Europe. He studied genealogy and regularly visited the Pyrenees. He served as a director of North British and Mercantile Insurance, along with Sir Thomas Frazer.

These are the people who supposedly had/have the parchments allegedly found by Sauniere.[/quote]

Roscoe
we maybe looking for the IRISH CONNECTION via the ENGLISH CONNECTION

It could be why I was shocked in Knock Ireland and seeing the hands of Magdalene as at Rennes Chateau staring at me
at the Crucifix there.
Remember Daley had connections to Ireland
and I noticed in Ireland the obelisk
at Dublin

it is the largest in Europe Wellington Monument

and Roscoe you know when it was completed in 1861
18 June 1861

Captain Ronald Stansmore Nutting
(born in Dublin) who is reported by reliable sources to have been in British Intelligence MI5, and had sat on the board of directors of at least 14 companies.

He was governor of the Bank of Ireland at a time
and one of the companies he sat on the board was the Guinness Beer

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

rain wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Hey, I've got a good title for your book - Sp - Call it "HOW TO EMPTY A PUB -101 "

:lol:

I consider myself to be the life and soul of any gathering :lol:

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

jlockest wrote:

rain wrote:

jlockest wrote:

I'm not sure if I posted this before, but the Maranatha book was printed by Clowes (from recollection when I followed the link, I seem to recall that Clowes is now part of a larger printing group) - as I guess thousands of books in the UK are..
Maybe a simple coincidence due to PPubs location anyway, or it may have been intentionally printed there to add an additional mysterious link or there may be some link. Presumably Duncan could answer that.

My dear sweet Jlo, I think it's been pointed out in many different forms and in many different ways what and wherefore art thou book should derive from and exactly what "type of book" it is.
So none of this should come as a surprise in fact if I hadn't intimated before I shall do so now, again, there was very good reason "why" should not actually send a completed version of the book in.
It's like sending a submission or a c.v. in - if you know the answer, you know to whom you would be working for and considering they use a Baconian pig-pen cipher to deliver the puzzle - that should tip you off as well.

You've lost me Rain. I can't work out what the above means or what you're trying to say.

You're probably not the right 'level' to understand, J-Lo!

Man, I love this forum...

Regards,

Spartacus

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

lovuian wrote:

Roscoe

ETATS-UNIS d'OCCIDENT. This appeared in Plantard's cover of Vaincre. The journal of Statutes of Alpha Galates (First Gauls)

which comprised of Nine Degrees, the last three are called:

Son Excellence Druidique

Son Altesse Druidique

Sa Majesté Druidique

It depicts a knight carrying the Prieure de Sion standard heading towards the symbol for Aquarius, the next astrological age after the current age Pisces.

The road is between Brittany and Bavaria. GRAIL COUNTRY

Quote:

A United Europe was clearly a vision of Plantard’s 1940 vision, as expressed in the issues of Vaincre. And in the 1950s, a New York-based group called the American Committee on United Europe, whose leadership included General Bill Donovan, wartime head of the OSS (the fore-runner of the CIA), George Marshall, the US Secretary of State, and Allen Dulles, then Director of the CIA.
This high-powered CIA-funded pressure group financed the so-called European Movement, headed by Joseph Retinger, who promoted select gatherings of European and American politicians, businessmen, aristocrats, top civil servants and military leaders. It is also a group that would later inspire Prince Bernhard to create the Bilderberg group, which is now known to have equally been set up with CIA funding.

In 2000, declassified American government documents showed that the US intelligence community funded and directed the European federalist movement. One memorandum, dated July 26, 1950, gave instructions for a campaign to promote a fully fledged European parliament. It was signed by Gen. William J. Donovan, head of the American wartime Office of Strategic Services, precursor of the CIA. The vice chairman was Allen Dulles. The board included Walter Bedell Smith, the CIA’s first director, and a roster of ex-OSS figures and officials who moved in and out of the CIA.
The documents again showed that ACUE financed the European Movement, the most important federalist organization in the post-war years. In 1958, for example, it provided 53.5 per cent of the movement’s funds. Most interestingly, these documents again confirmed that the European Youth Campaign, an arm of the European Movement, was wholly funded and controlled by Washington.

Societe Perillos

American Committee on United Europe was started by William J Donovan. Donovan also started GLADIO

I like the last sentence:

Quote:

The head of the Ford Foundation, ex-OSS officer Paul Hoffman, doubled as head of ACUE in the late Fifties. The State Department also played a role. A memo from the European section, dated June 11, 1965, advises the vice-president of the European Economic Community, Robert Marjolin, to pursue monetary union by stealth.

It recommends suppressing debate until the point at which "adoption of such proposals would become virtually inescapable".

- A Daily Telegraph article on newly released secret documents in 2000.

T.H.E.Y. want a Fascist Europe and a Fascist United States. By stealth this time.

Oh and by the way

This will include an "independent" :lol:

Scotland. The banks will crush them until they play ball.

NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM

The American side of the Priory didn't appreciate Plantard exposing them

as for Daley
photo shopped or not

He was there as TCP says

and when you look at all of them there
It is a powerhouse of people from Chicago
who at this moment has a president in the White house who is from Illinois
The Catholic political powerhouse Daley
The powerful Freeman with connections to Chase Morgan (Rockefeller) and the CIA as well as the US Treasury
and Chargall who is the philosopher king as we say

Yes Roscoe the United States of Europe
was on the horizon[/quote]

Here's the names in the ENGLISH CONNECTION to conjure with

Sir Thomas Frazer
Only one by that name died in 1920
But the family has links to the Jacobites.

Captain Ronald Stansmore Nutting
(born in Dublin) who is reported by reliable sources to have been in British Intelligence MI5, and had sat on the board of directors of at least 14 companies.

Sir Alexander Aikman

Sir John Montague Brocklebank
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/4199/brocklebank.jpg
Glasgow Herald Sept 1959
Chairman of Cunard

Major Hugh Murchison Clowes

Blackford
Baron Blackford (Glyn Mason, Conservative MP and Speaker of the House of Lords)

Viscount Frederick Leathers.
1st Viscount Leathers was Minister of War Transport in WWII
And he accompanied Churchill to the Yalta and Potsdam talks.
He negotiated the lend-lease of American ships to Britain.

Earl of Selbourne
Minister of Economic Warfare, was in overall charge of the Special Operations Executive (SOE), Britain's covert operations agency.
He was also a religious conservative of the Anglican Church, and a dedicated monarchist, even supporting a resurgence of monarchy in Europe. He studied genealogy and regularly visited the Pyrenees. He served as a director of North British and Mercantile Insurance, along with Sir Thomas Frazer.

These are the people who supposedly had/have the parchments allegedly found by Sauniere.[/quote]

Roscoe
we maybe looking for the IRISH CONNECTION via the ENGLISH CONNECTION

It could be why I was shocked in Knock Ireland and seeing the hands of Magdalene as at Rennes Chateau staring at me
at the Crucifix there.
Remember Daley had connections to Ireland
and I noticed in Ireland the obelisk
at Dublin

it is the largest in Europe Wellington Monument

and Roscoe you know when it was completed in 1861
18 June 1861

Captain Ronald Stansmore Nutting
(born in Dublin) who is reported by reliable sources to have been in British Intelligence MI5, and had sat on the board of directors of at least 14 companies.

He was governor of the Bank of Ireland at a time
and one of the companies he sat on the board was the Guinness Beer[/quote]

Would you believe that Arthur Guinness is also known to have touched his knee on occasion?!

:lol:

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

roscoe wrote:

rain wrote:

roscoe wrote:

bump

Why is everyone wittering on about the three AMERICANS when the title of the thread is called

THE ENGLISH CONNECTION?

Aren't the documents supposedly in an English bank - put their by three Americans or so the story goes?

NOPE!!!

Try reading more than ONE book for a change.

Them there Americans was notaries on a document trying to sue Jean Luc Chaumeil. But I already this but you obviously had your head stuffed where the sun don't shine at the time.

I'm not sure the 'mis en garde' was a notarised document, Roscoe?! And wasn't the 'mis en garde' a false threat to sue Jean-Luc Chaumeil for his supposed authorship of the so-called 'anonymous squib', a document that was most likely written by Plantard (or associates) himself?

As for that supposed English connection, how come you have steadfastly refused to engage me about that, or answer any of the questions I have posed regarding the subject?

Come on, Roscoe, have a semblance of intellectual integrity and at least discuss it...

TCP · **Posted:** 28 Jan 2012 6:49 pm

lovuian wrote:

The American side of the Priory didn't appreciate Plantard exposing them

There was no American side of the "Priory", but there were a number of Brits and Americans engaged in another enterprise who didn't appreciate Plantard's meddling.

TCP

Eginolf · **Posted:** 28 Jan 2012 6:55 pm

TCP wrote:

lovuian wrote:

........... but there were a number of Brits and Americans engaged in another enterprise who didn't appreciate Plantard's meddling.

TCP

Care to elaborate?

TCP · **Posted:** 28 Jan 2012 6:55 pm

Sheila wrote:

I'm not interested in the whys and wherefores, there are no sinister implications in my post...it was only to see IF i'd got the right understanding of what a "bleu photo" means, because it is a phrase i've never heard before and it interested me.....

And yet you went straight to that particular photo to illustrate your point and were quite insistent about it being altered.

That's what interests me. One wonders where you would have gone with it had you met no resistance. :lol:

TCP

Sheila · **Posted:** 28 Jan 2012 6:57 pm

obviously i touched a nerve....ouch !

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