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Some interesting excerpts from Hugh Noel Williams' 1911 biography of Marie Caroline, Duchess de Berry, relevant to her husband Charles Ferdinand, second son of Charles X of France and father of Henri, Comte de Chambord...

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Freeman de Bourbon
Un article de Wikipédia, l'encyclopédie libre.

Les Freeman de Bourbon sont des descendants supposés de Charles Ferdinand d'Artois (1778–1820), duc de Berry et fils du roi Charles X. Ils sont prétendants au trône de France.

Filiation prétendue

* Charles X,
* Charles Ferdinand d'Artois, son fils (1778 - 1820) époux d'Amy Brown (1783 - 1876) (le mariage n'a pas été prouvé) ; il en eut deux filles dont il avoua l'existence sur son lit de mort :
o Charlotte de Bourbon, comtesse d'Issoudun[1], princesse de Lucinge
o Louise de Bourbon, comtesse de Vierzon[1], baronne de Charette.
* John Freeman (5 décembre 1804 - 26 août 1866[2], qui n'aurait pas été son fils), marié à Sophie de Blonay (1823 - 1898).
* William Freeman (1855 - 1907), marié en 1898 à Marie-Janvière de Bourbon des Deux Siciles (10 janvier 1870 - 6 novembre 1941).
* John William Freeman (1902 - 1968), marié à Béatrice de Galard de Brassac de Béarn (fille du prince de Béarn et Chalais). En 1945 et 1946, il obtint du tribunal de Thonon le droit de porter le nom de Bourbon, mais la cour d'appel de Chambéry (1er juillet 1952) puis la Cour de cassation (5 janvier 1956) lui défendirent d'employer cette identité sous laquelle il avait eu, entre-temps, des ennuis judiciaires pour d'autres faits.
* Henry Freeman, dit Henry de Bourbon (27 août 1929 - 30 novembre 1987), condamné par le tribunal de la Seine (7 avril 1964) pour usurpation du nom de Bourbon, débouté du droit de le porter par le tribunal de grande instance de Paris (1973), dont un fils, Antoine Freeman.

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1. ↑ a et b titre octroyé le 10 juin 1820 par Louis XVIII
2. ↑ (en) Burke's Royal Families of the World, Volume 1: Europe & Latin America, page 90, Hugh Montgomery-Massingberd, Burke's Peerage Ltd, 1977, Londres.


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Freeman de Bourbon
Un article de Wikipédia, l'encyclopédie libre.

Les Freeman de Bourbon sont des descendants supposés de Charles Ferdinand d'Artois (1778–1820), duc de Berry et fils du roi Charles X. Ils sont prétendants au trône de France.

Filiation prétendue

* Charles X,
* Charles Ferdinand d'Artois, son fils (1778 - 1820) époux d'Amy Brown (1783 - 1876) (le mariage n'a pas été prouvé) ; il en eut deux filles dont il avoua l'existence sur son lit de mort :
o Charlotte de Bourbon, comtesse d'Issoudun[1], princesse de Lucinge
o Louise de Bourbon, comtesse de Vierzon[1], baronne de Charette.
* John Freeman (5 décembre 1804 - 26 août 1866[2], qui n'aurait pas été son fils), marié à Sophie de Blonay (1823 - 1898).
* William Freeman (1855 - 1907), marié en 1898 à Marie-Janvière de Bourbon des Deux Siciles (10 janvier 1870 - 6 novembre 1941).
* John William Freeman (1902 - 1968), marié à Béatrice de Galard de Brassac de Béarn (fille du prince de Béarn et Chalais). En 1945 et 1946, il obtint du tribunal de Thonon le droit de porter le nom de Bourbon, mais la cour d'appel de Chambéry (1er juillet 1952) puis la Cour de cassation (5 janvier 1956) lui défendirent d'employer cette identité sous laquelle il avait eu, entre-temps, des ennuis judiciaires pour d'autres faits.
* Henry Freeman, dit Henry de Bourbon (27 août 1929 - 30 novembre 1987), condamné par le tribunal de la Seine (7 avril 1964) pour usurpation du nom de Bourbon, débouté du droit de le porter par le tribunal de grande instance de Paris (1973), dont un fils, Antoine Freeman.

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1. ↑ a et b titre octroyé le 10 juin 1820 par Louis XVIII
2. ↑ (en) Burke's Royal Families of the World, Volume 1: Europe & Latin America, page 90, Hugh Montgomery-Massingberd, Burke's Peerage Ltd, 1977, Londres.


I'm sure this is probably a dumb question, but why can't he use his grandmother's surname? She was Gennara de Borbón (I think)...

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Freeman de Bourbon
Un article de Wikipédia, l'encyclopédie libre.

Les Freeman de Bourbon sont des descendants supposés de Charles Ferdinand d'Artois (1778–1820), duc de Berry et fils du roi Charles X. Ils sont prétendants au trône de France.

Filiation prétendue

* Charles X,
* Charles Ferdinand d'Artois, son fils (1778 - 1820) époux d'Amy Brown (1783 - 1876) (le mariage n'a pas été prouvé) ; il en eut deux filles dont il avoua l'existence sur son lit de mort :
o Charlotte de Bourbon, comtesse d'Issoudun[1], princesse de Lucinge
o Louise de Bourbon, comtesse de Vierzon[1], baronne de Charette.
* John Freeman (5 décembre 1804 - 26 août 1866[2], qui n'aurait pas été son fils), marié à Sophie de Blonay (1823 - 1898).
* William Freeman (1855 - 1907), marié en 1898 à Marie-Janvière de Bourbon des Deux Siciles (10 janvier 1870 - 6 novembre 1941).
* John William Freeman (1902 - 1968), marié à Béatrice de Galard de Brassac de Béarn (fille du prince de Béarn et Chalais). En 1945 et 1946, il obtint du tribunal de Thonon le droit de porter le nom de Bourbon, mais la cour d'appel de Chambéry (1er juillet 1952) puis la Cour de cassation (5 janvier 1956) lui défendirent d'employer cette identité sous laquelle il avait eu, entre-temps, des ennuis judiciaires pour d'autres faits.
* Henry Freeman, dit Henry de Bourbon (27 août 1929 - 30 novembre 1987), condamné par le tribunal de la Seine (7 avril 1964) pour usurpation du nom de Bourbon, débouté du droit de le porter par le tribunal de grande instance de Paris (1973), dont un fils, Antoine Freeman.

Notes et références

1. ↑ a et b titre octroyé le 10 juin 1820 par Louis XVIII
2. ↑ (en) Burke's Royal Families of the World, Volume 1: Europe & Latin America, page 90, Hugh Montgomery-Massingberd, Burke's Peerage Ltd, 1977, Londres.


I'm sure this is probably a dumb question, but why can't he use his grandmother's surname? She was Gennara de Borbón (I think)...

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Because to do so would have required a legal name change (which his father obtained in 1945/6 only to have the court reverse the decision a few years later). One cannot legally change one's surname in France to that of one of the former ruling families. The current Orléaniste claimant, Henri d'Orléans, Comte de Paris and self-styled "Duc de France" tried to do so and was rebuffed. No one disputes the fact that he is a Bourbon via his direct male descent from Henri IV, but his ancestors used Orléans as their surname since the 17th century and that was the name he was born with.

Did you happen to notice Henry's mother's surname?

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A portrait of Henry Freeman's maternal grandfather (in fancy dress):

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Son Excellence, Monseigneur Henry de GALARD de BRASSAC de BÉARN, comte et prince de Béarn, prince de Chalais et grand d'Espagne de première classe, prince de Viana, duc de Cantabrie, comte de Brassac et de Marsan, marquis d'Excideuil, baron de La Rochebeaucourt, comte d'Empire, camérier secret de cape et d'épée de S.S. le pape Pie XII, conseiller d'ambassade, chevalier d'honneur et de dévotion de l'Ordre souverain de Malte. XXè Gouverneur de l'Ordre Équestre Apostolique de Saint-Georges de Bourgogne en 1923, mort en 1947.

Also Chief Administrator of the OSLJ's Grand Priory of France in the critical post-war years, 1944-47, when so many of the members who had collaborated with the German occupiers and profited from the war (including Galard's predecessor as Chief Administrator) went into hiding, and so many incriminating files were spirited out of Europe for safe-keeping:

En 1939, éclata le deuxième conflit mondial. Au début des hostilités, les membres de France lancèrent un appel en vue de constituer des comités de secours. Il fut organisé un service d'ambulance pour le front « l'Anglo-américan-Corps » arborant la croix de l'Ordre de Saint- Lazare et l'appellation « Service Hospitalier de l'Ordre de Saint-Lazare », celui-ci sera opérationnel jusqu'à l'armistice de juin 1940.

A partir de 1942, pendant l'occupation allemande fut organisé un Corps de Volontaires Secouristes de l'Ordre de Saint-Lazare, pour porter secours aux blessés lors des bombardements, celui-ci sera en service jusqu'à la libération en 1945. En 1947 l'Etat marquera sa reconnaissance envers ce Corps, par la remise d'une citation à l'Ordre de la Nation.

En 1944, le Comte et Prince de Béarn et de Chalais, Henri de Galard de Brassac, Grand d'Espagne, comte de Brassac et de Marsan, chevalier de Malte et Camérier secret de SS, fut placé à la tête du Grand Prieuré de France et en assura la charge.

L'action hospitalière se développa encore par la création d'un dispensaire qui fut donné à la paroisse de Saint-Ambroise de Paris et par l'aide à la construction d'un pavillon de chirurgie à l'hôpital Saint-Joseph de Paris. Le Grand Prieur Prince de Béarn et de Chalais décéda le 26 avril 1947.


Humorous aside, not really a propos of anything in particular, Prince Henri de Galard and his American wife, heiress Beatrice Winans of Baltimore and Newport, were married (religiously) on 24 June 1905 at the Basilica of Sainte-Clothilde in Paris:

BEARN-WINANS WEDDING.

Baltimore Girl Married to the French Prince in Paris.

PARIS. June 24.--The marriage of Prince Henri de Béarn et de Chalais and Miss Beatrice Winans, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Ross Winans of Baltimore, Md., was celebrated at noon to-day in the Church of Ste. Clotilde. There was a large and fashionable attendance, including Ambassador and Mrs. McCormick and many members of the old French aristocracy. The bridegroom is the head of the ancient family of Béarn-Brissac.

A wedding breakfast followed the ceremony. The Prince and Princess received many beautiful presents.

The Prince de Béarn was formerly an attaché of the French Embassy in Washington and was recently appointed a member of the Embassy in St. Petersburg. In the last few days Paris has been discussing a quarrel between the Prince and Prince Hélie de Sagan, who attacked M. de Béarn's right to the title of Prince de Chalais. There has been talk of a duel, but so far none has been fought.

In a statement defending his right to his second title the Prince de Béarn said:

"The title of Prince de Chalais, to which the rank of Grandee of Spain of the first class was attached by Philip V. by a cedula dated Oct. 1, 1714, in favor of Daniel Marie Anne de Talleyrand-Périgord, was recognized in France by Louis XIV., and was submitted to royal ordinance Aug. 29, 1774, regulating the transmission in France of the rank of Grandee and other Spanish honors as a consequence of an agreement between the royal houses of the two countries.

"The title was transmitted without interruption to the descendants of Daniel de Talleyrand-Périgord as far as Hélie de Talleyrand-Périgord, who died in 1883 without issue.

"The titles in the female line of this branch then reverted by virtue of the stipulation mentioned above to Cécile de Périgord, the last heir of the elder branch of the Talleyrand-Périgord family.

"She married, in 1873, Gaston de Galard de Béarn, my father, who died in 18[??], and then I inherited in my turn these titles and honors, which were recognized by a royal cedula under date of April 7, 1904, and published more than a year ago in official historical publications."

The following day Prince Hélie de Sagan published a reply in which he said:

"The Prince de Béarn purposely confuses matters in regard to the title 'Prince de Chalais' and that of Grandee of Spain, which latter distinction undoubtedly passes through the female line. The title of Prince de Chalais is much older and dates from the end of the twelfth century in François de Talleyrand and since then has never left his direct male line.

"I fail to see why it should now, contrary to all the laws and customs of France, be diverted from the legal course."

New York Times, 25 Jun 1905

<...>

There was another ugly row around 1966 when some American upstart pointed out that Galard's other princely title - Prince de Béarn, by this time borne by his son Gaston, Henry Freeman's first cousin - wasn't the family's title by right of descent from the House of Foix either, but was rather the gift of a grateful ex-Queen of Spain with a ravenous sexual appetite in 1868. Worse still, the upstart dared to state that the Galards' descent from the Counts of Foix was via illegitimate means, as the Foix princes always gave their bastards the surname of Béarn. Threats of legal action for defamation ensued, though were never carried out.

Anyway, the Basilica of Ste. Clothilde de Paris was, of course, the church where Pierre Plantard's uncle, the Abbé Plantard, was said to have served as vicar. Curious.

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oh heavens, Uncle Etienne rears his dubious head again.


Nope, "Uncle Etienne" has no role in this production. Maybe you should just sit back and take it all in this time, instead of trying to insert yourself into a narrative discussion you know nothing about.

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Because to do so would have required a legal name change (which his father obtained in 1945/6 only to have the court reverse the decision a few years later). One cannot legally change one's surname in France to that of one of the former ruling families. The current Orléaniste claimant, Henri d'Orléans, Comte de Paris and self-styled "Duc de France" tried to do so and was rebuffed. No one disputes the fact that he is a Bourbon via his direct male descent from Henri IV, but his ancestors used Orléans as their surname since the 17th century and that was the name he was born with.


Ok, thanks.

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Did you happen to notice Henry's mother's surname?


Cecile de Galard de Brassac de Bearn (I think)...

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En 1944, le Comte et Prince de Béarn et de Chalais, Henri de Galard de Brassac, Grand d'Espagne, comte de Brassac et de Marsan, chevalier de Malte et Camérier secret de SS, fut placé à la tête du Grand Prieuré de France et en assura la charge.


Again, apologies for my poor French, but does this read:

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In 1944...Henri...Knight of Malta, and secret Chamberlain of the SS, was placed at the head of the Grand Priory of France...


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