Arcadia Discussion Zone

Same as it does every year.





La Serpent? Odd name for a village N'est-ce Pas?


Stukeley's map of Avebury.

Edasich is a planet hosting star.

Revelation 12


Draconids meteor shower

OR

Angels cast out into the earth

Yer takes yer pick.

Oh well that's alright then. We have a piece of land arbitrarily named after a snake.

Like yer do.

And your point is?

This is an extract from an interview with Paul Karren - taken from the latest issue of Rhedesium.

Can you summarize what the small parchment contains?

Certainly. It is primarily mathematical in nature. There is a geometric component to it, as many have speculated, but it is much more than merely this. I have come to call this device the ‘681 Armature’ because it has unique mathematical properties associated with the number 681. The device primarily describes the solar observatory at Saint Sulpice, the design of the chancel, and certain works of art. It also has a cartographic aspect, but not in the ways imagined by David Wood, Henry Lincoln, and others. 

Sceptics insist the parchments associated with the Rennes-le-Château mystery are simply hoaxes composed by Philippe de Chérisey in the 1960’s. How do you reconcile this with your theory of a hidden 681 Armature in the ‘hoaxed’ Dagobert parchment?

I have not uncovered any new evidence to suggest that the parchments predate the 1960’s. Yet questions of provenance do not change in any way the startling nature of the information the documents contain. That information is demonstrably true and it has apparently remained occulted from public view for nearly four centuries. Perhaps the parchments were created in the 1960s specifically to reveal these secrets. But why in this fashion? This is a great mystery to me.

How do you think de Chérisey (& perhaps Plantard) knew about this 681 armature?

These men were aware of the device. I can say this because they have included hints of its structure in several Dossiers Secrets files. The Armature appears to be connected to an authentic arcane tradition that dates to the early 1640’s. I do not know how these men became privy to the tradition.

Why is the 681 Armature so important? What is its purpose?  

This requires a multi-faceted answer.
First, it is a breathtaking example of late Renaissance genius – one entirely unknown to modern academics. I know of no other example in art history where a single mathematical device simultaneously describes expert knowledge in the architecture of a church, its solar observatory, and certain works of art.
It is also important because it has remained secret. This implies a symbolic or practical importance. The question of why it has remained secret leads to your question of its purpose. Many clues suggest that this device also has a cartographic aspect and that this describes the environs of Rennes les Bains. If this is true then whatever was or is hidden there is the primary significance of the Armature. I have only partially worked out the cartographic elements – certain elements remain elusive. Given the secrecy this implies that whatever is hidden is or was important. 

Were Andrews and Schellenberger, authors of The Tomb of God, ‘initiates’? For example, Paul Schellenberger discovered a hexagram in the Dagobert parchment (shown on page 41) that has some similarities to the structure of the 681 Armature.

No, I do not believe they were initiates. Andrews and Schellenberger discovered only the most obvious elements of a more complex structure. While generally correct, their hexagram is improperly scaled, cantered, and aligned. If they had worked out how this is accomplished they may have made further progress. Instead, they filled the remainder of their book with irreproducible results and speculations that have nothing to do with the real solution.

When the cipher reports that  POUSSIN AND TENIERS GUARD THE KEY PAX681, how do you now interpret this in light of your researches? Have you decided how, if at all, your findings fit with the rest of the 'message'?

I can now plausibly account for most (but not all) of the clues taken from the Shepherdess document decipherment. These will be fully explained when I publish.

You claim to have found clear evidence of hexagonal geometry in the two Shepherds of Arcadia paintings by Nicolas Poussin. What is your opinion of other ‘rival’ geometries proposed by fellow researchers?

Andrews and Schellenberger came the closest yet they only discovered the simplest aspect of a much more complex mathematical device. What is hidden within the Dagobert document is (I believe) far more sophisticated and compelling than anything yet published. The geometry is only an entry point into the puzzle – it is the simplest aspect of something much more complex. You have seen it: what is your opinion? Do you find it compelling?

Have you a theory on the origins of this 681 armature? How far back does it extend in history?

I have my ideas about the origins of the Armature, but that is all. The earliest reference to the device that I have discovered can be found in the 1618 alchemical treatise Aureum Seculum Redivivum (‘Restoration of the Golden Age’) by Heinrich Madathanus.  It was this document that provided the essential hint to unlock the mathematical structure of the Armature. The hint is quite simple. In Restoration of the Golden Age Madathanus cryptically describes the ‘Centrum in trigoni
centri.’ The Centrum is the 681 Armature. The Centrum predates the church of Saint Sulpice by at least two decades. Therefore, its inclusion in the chancel’s design (and later in technical details of the observatory) suggests the church to be a memorial or homage to the device.

You conclude that the 681 Armature was known by Nicolas Poussin and the Abbé Boudet, among others. If your interpretation is correct, then that must also include members of the ‘Priory of Sion’. Do you have any evidence for how this secret was passed between initiates over many hundreds of years without the knowledge of how to create it being lost?

I am not certain how to address the question about the Priory because I have no clear understanding of what the Priory is. Is the Priory a construct of the 20th century designed to reveal these secrets? Or is it older? I do not know. I rather suspect it is a front for those traditions that have guarded the secret over the centuries. One of these appears to be the Chevaliers Bienfaisants De La Cite-Sainte (Rectifed Scottish Rite Masons.)

I do not know how that secret was passed, only that it was. I can say with certainty that it was known to the architect Christopher Gamard – the man who designed the chancel of Saint Sulpice. The historical connections later re-emerge with the Languet de Gergy when he commissioned the astronomical observatory at Sulpice. A handful of others appear to have had varying degrees of insight into the secrets of the device – the English clockmaker Henry Sully, the astronomer Pierre-Charles Lemonnier, and the artist Eugene Delacroix. The priest Boudet certainly knew and it appears Berenger Sauniere did as well.

Have you shown any academics your findings?
Yes, but this is enormously problematic and frustrating. Of dozens contacted only three have agreed to review the work and none of these are willing to ‘go on the record’ or have their names associated with the RLC mystery – only to offer guidance. 

Just as well i was never sent a copy of "Rhedesium" then......

That is rude and uncalled for.

okay, apologies, i edited my comment.

Remember where you are.

3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

It's over your head.

Dragon Goddess

The Cathars and the Dragon

What part of

3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Don't you understand?

-Wikipedia

Heaven above, Heaven below
Stars above, stars below
All that is over, under shall show
Happy thou who the riddle readest

Tabula Smaragdina

- Wikipedia

It seems to involve a man called Apollonius of Tyana a Greek Neopythagorean philosopher and contemporary with Jesus. Apollonius of Tyana is a name that seems to be cropping up again and again.

The Fanthorpes have something to say about the Emerald Tablet.

Well it all depends on what T.H.E.Y. have in store for us or whether it really is a comet heading this way.

Either way survival will be hell on earth. Best get it all over with.

Click here. Probably the most frightening movie ever made.

Considered too graphic for American audiences, just one cable TV station screened it. In Australia they showed the entire movie on a commercial station without advertisements.

- Wikipedia

Watch it to the end and you'll realise that ones that were killed instantly were the lucky ones. I remember having nightmares for days after seeing this for the first time.

If you believe in a nefarious "them" Roscoe do you not think living in fear at what "they" might do to you falls right into "their" hands?

T.H.E.Y.

The

Hierarchy

Enslaving

You

War is good for business Doubleplusgood

yeah I've been hearing this for years now, personally I stopped reading about it. I decided if any of it's true there's really nowt I can do to stop it...after all "they" run the world don't "they"? and if it's all paranoid bunk perpetuated by a growing army of dissillusioned people bitter that their unrealistic aspirations have not been fullfilled as "promised" then I'm wallowing in negativity for the sake of it aren't I?
Worrying about this just makes you get angry and bitter and boy is it showing with you, Roscoe. Hey surely the only way to win is "love conquers all" isn't? Coz you aint get a chance with hate

sorry I can't look at youtube at work...."they" won't let me....

"The good slaves love the good book, the rebel loves the cause" - Joni Mitchell

the sooner you stop distancing yourself from the rest of us "slaves" the better you will feel














"Join us...............join us"

bergeredearcadie wrote:


Hi Sandy. Hope you are well.

You may or may not have heard Paul's discussion on aspects of his research here:

http://www.gnostictemplars.org/guardians/The_Guardians_of_the_Holy_Grail_2010-02-18.mp3

Similar broadcasts are at: http://www.gnostictemplars.org/guardians.html

Btw. Where can I get hold of a copy of the journal? I've tried several times from the Rhedesium site with no luck and now it appears to have disappeared.

Hi Adrian,

Blimey, dont that Mark go on and on!!!!!

Adrian, email me your address - ill send u a copy .... im still sending out (the issue is far bigger, and costing more to post than people paid ...) so im sending out bit by bit ... in order - if you see what i mean ...

PS My site has disappeared because im going to be doing a new site .....

If anyone is interested, here is the document and symbol referenced in Sandy's interview with Paul:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/hm1/hm105.htm

The PAX 68I expression from Cherisey et al should be translated back into the "original language" from Sauniere resp. Boudet: PAX I68I.

I've sent you a PM containing my address.

Yes 'Mr' Pinkham does waffle a bit. However I thought Paul explained his research very well. I wonder how his book is coming along.

Mmm, so the parchments and the thirteen verse poem are all about a landscape based catastrophe that may or may not happen.

Sheila, a while ago you showed how PAX comprised the main constituents of the chi-rho. I'm surprised you haven't tried to do something similar with the 681, or even two 681s

No. i'm not confused at all.

I just thought that it would be a bit of light relief to get a paper and pencil and see what you can make out of a couple of 681s in the same way that extending the P of PAX, putting the X over it, and then positioning a small A, might be.

You might even find it instructive.

Enough of this:



PAX 681

GEMATRIA

P -> Π -> 80
A ->Α -> 1
X ->Х -> 600

PAX = 681 In Gematria

So

681 681

Or to put it another way

6:8:1681

6th August 1681

FEAST OF THE TRANSFIGURATION 1681.

Thomas Plantard de St Clair was ratified as Prieure de Sion Grand Master on

6th August 1989. At 10 o'clock SOLAR TIME