Spartacus Paraclete wrote:
There is at least one rlc author who claims the codex Bezae is coded!
Aren't we discussing the so-called 'Shepherdess Parchment' and its supposed link to the 'Tombstone Text'?
The 'Shepherdess Parchment' is derived from a 19th century version of the Latin Vulgate, is it not?
(Published by John Wordsworth and Henry J. White (Novum Testamentum Domini Nostri Iesu Christi latine secundum sancti Hieronymi (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1889–1954))
I was under the impression that it was the other Coded Parchment (the 'Dagobert Parchment') that is associated with the Codex Bezae!
EDITED TO ADD: No need to reply Tertius, I see now that your post was directed at Tingra's question
This is correct.
The Dagobert and Shepherdess parchments were written by two different people. The Dagobert parchment was modified by Philippe de Cherisey, he said so.
Although just to confuse matters Plantard said that the two were opposite sides of the same original parchment. We have never seen this original parchment, only individual copies.
The other curious thing is that the Dagobert parchment does not mention King David.
It should say this:
1 And it came to pass on the second Sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands. 2 And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the Sabbath days? 3 And Jesus answering them said, have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungred, and they which were with him; 4 How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the Shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?
But it doesn't.
Factum est autem in sabbato secundo primo cum transiret per sata vellebant discipuli ejus spicas et manducabant confricantes manibus Quidam autem pharisaeorum dicebant illis quid facitis quod non licet in sabbatis Et respondens jesus ad eos dixit nec hoc legistis quod fecit David cum esurisset ipse et cum qui illo erant Quomodo intravit in domum dei et panes propositionis sumpsit et manducavit et dedit his qui cum ipso erant quos non licet manducare nisi tantum sacerdotibus.
King Hiram Of Tyre
by Wayne Blank
Known also as "Huram" and "Horam," Hiram was the king of Tyre in the time of King David and King Solomon. While he was politically allied with David, Hiram's workmen helped David's people to build David's palace in Jerusalem, and then after Solomon succeeded his father David as King of Israel, Hiram's workers also participated in the building of the first Temple (see Temples). Much of the fine cedar for both the palace and Temple came from Tyre.
Hiram In Bible History
Hiram was politically expedient; when he saw David's God-given power, for his own survival Hiram knew it best to make himself an ally of David rather than an enemy, although it seems that their personal friendship was genuine:
"And David became greater and greater, for The Lord, the God of hosts, was with him. And Hiram king of Tyre sent messengers to David, and cedar trees, also carpenters and masons who built David a house." (2 Samuel 5:10-11 RSV)
After David died, Hiram continued the friendship with Solomon, providing materials and skilled workmen for the building of the Temple:
"Now Hiram king of Tyre sent his servants to Solomon, when he heard that they had anointed him king in place of his father; for Hiram always loved David."
"And Solomon sent word to Hiram, "You know that David my father could not build a house for The Name of The Lord his God because of the warfare
with which his enemies surrounded him, until The Lord put them under the soles of his feet. But now The Lord my God has given me rest on every side; there is neither adversary nor misfortune. And so I purpose to build a house for The Name of The Lord my God, as The Lord said to David my father, 'Your son, whom I will set upon your throne in your place, shall build the house for My Name.' [see also "My Father's House"] Now therefore command that cedars of Lebanon be cut for me; and my servants will join your servants, and I will pay you for your servants such wages as you set; for you know that there is no one among us who knows how to cut timber like the Sidonians."
"When Hiram heard the words of Solomon, he rejoiced greatly, and said, "Blessed be The Lord this day, who has given to David a wise son to be over this great people."
"And Hiram sent to Solomon, saying, "I have heard the message which you have sent to me; I am ready to do all you desire in the matter of cedar and cypress timber. My servants shall bring it down to the sea from Lebanon; and I will make it into rafts to go by sea to the place you direct, and I will have them broken up there, and you shall receive it; and you shall meet my wishes by providing food for my household."
"So Hiram supplied Solomon with all the timber of cedar and cypress that he desired, while Solomon gave Hiram twenty thousand cors of wheat as food for his household, and twenty thousand cors of beaten oil. Solomon gave this to Hiram year by year
. And The Lord gave Solomon wisdom, as he promised him; and there was peace between Hiram and Solomon; and the two of them made a treaty." (1 Kings 5:1-12 RSV)
Solomon obtained from Hiram, king of Tyre, men skilful in the art of building, when the Temple was erected at Jerusalem. 4 Amongst the foreigners, who came on this occasion, we find men from Gabel, called Giblim; 5 that is to say, the Ionians settled in Asia Minor, for Gabbel, or Byblos, wasviewtopic.php?f=7&t=2194
that city where stood the temple of Apollo, where the Eleusinian rites or Dionysian mysteries were celebrated, as we have already stated. 1
We could, in addition to this argument produce some authority; for Josephus says that the Grecian style of architecture was used at the temple of Jerusalem. 2
After this we cannot be surprised to find that the ceremonies of Eleusis, or Thamuz, should be introduced into Judea, particularly, as Solomon himself, after having entered into the scientific allusions, in the construction of the temple, was not free from the accusation of the gross superstition of idolatry. 3
I just copied this from some writings i have of Cherisey:
Le denier des six jumelages est biffe sur la liste de Philippe de Cherisey, qui d'un geste machinal dessine le sceau de Salomon sur son paquet de cigarettes vide"
The sum of money of six twinnings is cancelling mark on the list of Philippe de Cherisey, who d' a gesture machinal draws the seal of Solomon on his empty cigarette pack.