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Do you think Anything is going to happen on 11/11/11
Just like any other day 76%  76%  [ 13 ]
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 Post subject: Re: 11/11/11 Saint Martins Day, Martinism, Sauniere YU55
PostPosted: 14 Nov 2011 7:48 pm 
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I wear my poppy as a Mark of respect for all those that died, the majority of which proudly fought for there country.


Likewise. I thought I'd post this obituary from today's paper. One reads more and more of these, as the WWII generation gets ever older. This is the one that I happened to read today, but it's quite typical, in the sense that it's the story of someone from a completely unremarkable background, who got called upon to do remarkable things, and then never really said much about it afterwards. This is the obituary of Rose Robertson, who has just died at the age of 94, and worked in Nazi occupied France as a member of the Special Operations Executive (SOE). This is just an excerpt, because she also went on to do many good works after the war.

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She was born Rose Laimbeer on October 28 1916 and grew up in working-class Deptford, south London, in the 1920s. Her father, Arthur, a merchant seaman, was absent for much of her childhood and her mother, also Rose , treated her with an inexplicable lifelong disdain, which may have accounted for her later sympathy with outsiders and the downcast.

After leaving school, she took a series of secretarial jobs, but her unremarkable existence changed dramatically during the war when she was recruited into SOE and later parachuted into Nazi-occupied France. Sworn to lifelong secrecy, she underwent tough counter-interrogation training. For the rest of her life she was very reluctant to speak about her secret work. On the rare occasions when she did, it was with self-effacing modesty, though it was clear that her memories caused her considerable distress.

According to the limited information gleaned by friends and family members, she acted as a courier, working with members of the French Resistance, including two young gay anti-Nazi fighters. She was horrified to hear their stories of family prejudice and rejection. On one occasion she was stopped by German troops who were fooled by her forged papers and failed to find the miniature pistol she had hidden in her tied-up hair. Rose’s network was eventually betrayed. She got away; others faced the firing squads.


The whole obituary is here.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituar ... rtson.html

I don't imagine she thought that the war in which she fought was a "racket", or that the struggle against the Nazi regime wasn't both just and necessary, likewise the very old and desperately frail WWII veteran who was at the service I went to yesterday, who would have been just one of many at such events. But in future years there will be fewer and fewer. Each to their own, I suppose, but I think they deserve immense respect. And gratitude.


Pretty brave lady ...you know Richard if you wouldn't have posted that obituary
I wouldn't have known about her

thanks

Her story is amazing!

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I have no idea why we need american bases in Australia.Our economies in the toliet,people out of work,etc.and they want to waste money on this,for what reason? I recall my late father saying if World War 3 starts, it will start in the Middle East.
He spent 33 years working in military intelligence for the US Airforce,and was awarded the Meritorious Service Medal with Oak Leaves for what he did.He was no dummy when it came to forgein policy and very astute.Wonder what he would think about Obama's smack talk about bases in Australia.I'm not worried about the chinese or russians, it's all these Taliban and other terrorists to be concerned about, not only overseas,but here in the US.


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TCP your having way to much fun :lol: :lol: :lol:


I always have fun here! :lol:

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The bad guys, well howzaboot this : King George V (British Empire ) versus Kaiser Wilhelm II (German Empire - 2nd Reich) versus Tsar Nicholas II (Tsar of all the Russias) . what have these dudes got in common (other than bein' monarchs and martinets) ? They were all Queen Victoria's grandsons !


The Tsar was only a grandson-in-law.

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exactly Pilrig...the "bad guys" are friends and family until the wind changes.....and as to the in-bred royals and the Quefn you know my thoughts on that.

...and before anyone says "there's no Ef in Queen"...us Scots know that already.


My auld fella used to tell me that there's no 'F' in 'Pope' either (funny my schoolteachers never taught me that :lol: )


Up the long ladder and down the short rope
To Hell with King Billy and God bless the Pope
If that doesn't do it, we'll tear him in two
And send him to Hell with his red white and blue

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 Post subject: Re: 11/11/11 Saint Martins Day, Martinism, Sauniere YU55
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I have a question for you all just asking opinions

Do you think we are on the verge of WWIII?


This is WWIII. We just don't recognise it.

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You can see the economic situation poses us for a fight for resources
Did The European Union come from the ashes of WWII?


Yes, to fight the growing power of the U.S.,China/asian pacific and the eastern bloc countries including Russia.

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Picket and prince the word synarchy comes up with the Martinist
Vichy police raid arrested the GrandMaster of Martinism the Rite of Memohis Mizraim Chevillion his name and they arrested him in Lyons...he was a Patriarch of Jules Doniel's Gnostic Church

http://books.google.com/books?id=_MlN1b ... &q&f=false


there were documents for the Synarchist's pact

Chevillion was a banker. He told the Germans his Martinist group wasn't using the term synarchist

The most substantial early use of the word "synarchy" comes from the writings of Alexandre Saint-Yves d'Alveydre (1842–1909), who used the term in his book La France vraie to describe what he believed was the ideal form of government.[3] In reaction to the emergence of anarchist ideologies and movements, Saint-Yves elaborated a political formula which he believed would lead to a harmonious society. He defended social differentiation and hierarchy with collaboration between social classes, transcending conflict between social and economic groups: synarchy, as opposed to anarchy. Specifically, Saint-Yves envisioned a Federal Europe (as well as all the states it has integrated) with a corporatist government composed of three councils, one for academia, one for the judiciary, and one for commerce.[4]


the foundations of the world shadow government was being formed during Sauniere's time
The corporate elitist
a shadow government, a form of government where political power effectively rests with a secret elite, in contrast to an "oligarchy" where the elite is or could be known by the public.

the Bildebergers

Some authors have claimed that Saint-Yves was a "theocratic occultist" who used "synarchy" to describe a form of government where political power effectively rests with secret societies or, more precisely, esoteric societies, which are composed of oracles. Furthermore he is supposed to have associated "synarchy" with the rule of "ascended masters" who lived in the subterranean caverns of Agartha and supposedly communicated with him telepathically


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I have no idea why we need american bases in Australia.Our economies in the toliet,people out of work,etc.and they want to waste money on this,for what reason? I recall my late father saying if World War 3 starts, it will start in the Middle East.
He spent 33 years working in military intelligence for the US Airforce,and was awarded the Meritorious Service Medal with Oak Leaves for what he did.He was no dummy when it came to forgein policy and very astute.Wonder what he would think about Obama's smack talk about bases in Australia.I'm not worried about the chinese or russians, it's all these Taliban and other terrorists to be concerned about, not only overseas,but here in the US.


This is long term strategy that I'm surprised the U.S has made. Darwin is in the N.T. meaning it is not a state it is a territory and is closest to Indonesia which has the largest Muslim population of any country in the world. It home to a myriad of extremist camps set up and protected by a relatively corrupt government that has received extensive funding from the U.S. to combat terrorism which has failed to implement and has instead lined the pockets of a ruling business elite dominated by Ethnic Chinese. Close to Darwin is large oil and gas reserves jointly controlled by Australian and East timorese governments as well Uranium mining concentrated in the Northern territory of which Darwin is it's capital and one of the main port cities of Australia. It is also home to Shoal bay receiving station believed to be a part of the U.S.'s signint network in partnership with the Australian DSD.
President Obama also spent time in Indonesia as a child and contributes to better ties to the Muslim world through Indonesia, promoting ongoing dialogue between the two countries.

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Have you ever heard this group Rain? She is a fantastic singer.

Chhom Nimol: I sang at a club called the Dragon House in Long Beach Los Angeles before Zac and Ethan approached me saying they were looking for a Cambodian singer to join their band. They tested me on the Cambodian classics and I knew most of them. I wondered why Zac and Ethan chose this music—two American guys with strange appearances wanted to sing Ros Sereysothea’s songs. But thanks to them and thanks to Sereysothea, I can be here today. It’s been about eight years that we’ve been together and we have made three records now and I’m very happy I could make it with the band.

MIL: How would you describe Cambodia’s '60s rock and its appeal?

Senon Williams: The Cambodians did psychedelic rock differently than anyone else did. They would sing in the microtonal Cambodian way, then they’d bring in a traditional Cambodian instrument but record it through a broken mic, so it sounded like it was being recorded in the bottom of the sea.

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I am very sorry to hear about your experiences with Agent Orange, Rain. I recently found out that my college roommate passed away from exposure to it. She was always an activist and she went over there after graduation. As for me, Tri-Chloro-Etheline TCE changed my life at the young age of 31 yr. It was from (the now) Raytheon plant - pollution.

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 Post subject: Re: 11/11/11 Saint Martins Day, Martinism, Sauniere YU55
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Have you ever heard this group Rain? She is a fantastic singer.


Sorry never heard of the group.

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I am very sorry to hear about your experiences with Agent Orange, Rain. I recently found out that my college roommate passed away from exposure to it. She was always an activist and she went over there after graduation. As for me, Tri-Chloro-Etheline TCE changed my life at the young age of 31 yr. It was from (the now) Raytheon plant - pollution.


My parents were exposed, not me. It's simpler for the chem companies to say there is no or an ambigious and unprovable link genetically to subsequent generations then to say it causes genetic mutations. I also lived in Nagasaki-Ken when I was in Japan - you can see a direct impact on the population that is ongoing.

I am sorry to hear that about your exposure, was that because of your Father's work in the aircraft industry?

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my comment above was directed at the volunteers in today's Forces that are out fighting the "good fight" in the ongoing war against "terror" in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya...the ongoing war that is soon to change venue....i meant no disrespect at all to the conscripts of yesteryear.



Here Sheila, here's a plan to overthrow dictatorships in a peaceful and non-violent manner, therefore depleteing the coffers of the arms dealers.
How many are you going to implement? You live in a peaceful, beautiful and free country, it's a bit rich you expecting others to live under tyranny and not fight but what's the alternative -well here's an alternative - fulfilling the criteria of non-violent means of desposition let's see if you truly mean what you say and start implementing peaceful change around the world.

http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations103a.html



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Nonviolent Action > 198 Methods of Nonviolent Action

198 Methods of Nonviolent Action

These methods were compiled by Dr. Gene Sharp and first published in his 1973 book, The Politics of Nonviolent Action, Vol. 2: The Methods of Nonviolent Action. (Boston: Porter Sargent Publishers, 1973). The book outlines each method and gives information about its historical use.

You may also download this list of methods.


THE METHODS OF NONVIOLENT PROTEST AND PERSUASION

Formal Statements
1. Public Speeches
2. Letters of opposition or support
3. Declarations by organizations and institutions
4. Signed public statements
5. Declarations of indictment and intention
6. Group or mass petitions

Communications with a Wider Audience
7. Slogans, caricatures, and symbols
8. Banners, posters, and displayed communications
9. Leaflets, pamphlets, and books
10. Newspapers and journals
11. Records, radio, and television
12. Skywriting and earthwriting

Group Representations
13. Deputations
14. Mock awards
15. Group lobbying
16. Picketing
17. Mock elections

Symbolic Public Acts
18. Displays of flags and symbolic colors
19. Wearing of symbols
20. Prayer and worship
21. Delivering symbolic objects
22. Protest disrobings
23. Destruction of own property
24. Symbolic lights
25. Displays of portraits
26. Paint as protest
27. New signs and names
28. Symbolic sounds
29. Symbolic reclamations
30. Rude gestures

Pressures on Individuals
31. "Haunting" officials
32. Taunting officials
33. Fraternization
34. Vigils

Drama and Music
35. Humorous skits and pranks
36. Performances of plays and music
37. Singing

Processions
38. Marches
39. Parades
40. Religious processions
41. Pilgrimages
42. Motorcades

Honoring the Dead
43. Political mourning
44. Mock funerals
45. Demonstrative funerals
46. Homage at burial places

Public Assemblies
47. Assemblies of protest or support
48. Protest meetings
49. Camouflaged meetings of protest
50. Teach-ins

Withdrawal and Renunciation
51. Walk-outs
52. Silence
53. Renouncing honors
54. Turning one's back


THE METHODS OF SOCIAL NONCOOPERATION

Ostracism of Persons
55. Social boycott
56. Selective social boycott
57. Lysistratic nonaction
58. Excommunication
59. Interdict

Noncooperation with Social Events, Customs, and Institutions
60. Suspension of social and sports activities
61. Boycott of social affairs
62. Student strike
63. Social disobedience
64. Withdrawal from social institutions

Withdrawal from the Social System
65. Stay-at-home
66. Total personal noncooperation
67. "Flight" of workers
68. Sanctuary
69. Collective disappearance
70. Protest emigration (hijrat)


THE METHODS OF ECONOMIC NONCOOPERATION: (1) ECONOMIC BOYCOTTS

Actions by Consumers
71. Consumers' boycott
72. Nonconsumption of boycotted goods
73. Policy of austerity
74. Rent withholding
75. Refusal to rent
76. National consumers' boycott
77. International consumers' boycott

Action by Workers and Producers
78. Workmen's boycott
79. Producers' boycott

Action by Middlemen
80. Suppliers' and handlers' boycott

Action by Owners and Management
81. Traders' boycott
82. Refusal to let or sell property
83. Lockout
84. Refusal of industrial assistance
85. Merchants' "general strike"

Action by Holders of Financial Resources
86. Withdrawal of bank deposits
87. Refusal to pay fees, dues, and assessments
88. Refusal to pay debts or interest
89. Severance of funds and credit
90. Revenue refusal
91. Refusal of a government's money

Action by Governments
92. Domestic embargo
93. Blacklisting of traders
94. International sellers' embargo
95. International buyers' embargo
96. International trade embargo


THE METHODS OF ECONOMIC NONCOOPERATION: (2)THE STRIKE

Symbolic Strikes
97. Protest strike
98. Quickie walkout (lightning strike)

Agricultural Strikes
99. Peasant strike
100. Farm Workers' strike

Strikes by Special Groups
101. Refusal of impressed labor
102. Prisoners' strike
103. Craft strike
104. Professional strike

Ordinary Industrial Strikes
105. Establishment strike
106. Industry strike
107. Sympathetic strike

Restricted Strikes
108. Detailed strike
109. Bumper strike
110. Slowdown strike
111. Working-to-rule strike
112. Reporting "sick" (sick-in)
113. Strike by resignation
114. Limited strike
115. Selective strike

Multi-Industry Strikes
116. Generalized strike
117. General strike

Combination of Strikes and Economic Closures
118. Hartal
119. Economic shutdown


THE METHODS OF POLITICAL NONCOOPERATION

Rejection of Authority
120. Withholding or withdrawal of allegiance
121. Refusal of public support
122. Literature and speeches advocating resistance

Citizens' Noncooperation with Government
123. Boycott of legislative bodies
124. Boycott of elections
125. Boycott of government employment and positions
126. Boycott of government depts., agencies, and other bodies
127. Withdrawal from government educational institutions
128. Boycott of government-supported organizations
129. Refusal of assistance to enforcement agents
130. Removal of own signs and placemarks
131. Refusal to accept appointed officials
132. Refusal to dissolve existing institutions

Citizens' Alternatives to Obedience
133. Reluctant and slow compliance
134. Nonobedience in absence of direct supervision
135. Popular nonobedience
136. Disguised disobedience
137. Refusal of an assemblage or meeting to disperse
138. Sitdown
139. Noncooperation with conscription and deportation
140. Hiding, escape, and false identities
141. Civil disobedience of "illegitimate" laws

Action by Government Personnel
142. Selective refusal of assistance by government aides
143. Blocking of lines of command and information
144. Stalling and obstruction
145. General administrative noncooperation
146. Judicial noncooperation
147. Deliberate inefficiency and selective noncooperation by enforcement agents
148. Mutiny

Domestic Governmental Action
149. Quasi-legal evasions and delays
150. Noncooperation by constituent governmental units

International Governmental Action
151. Changes in diplomatic and other representations
152. Delay and cancellation of diplomatic events
153. Withholding of diplomatic recognition
154. Severance of diplomatic relations
155. Withdrawal from international organizations
156. Refusal of membership in international bodies
157. Expulsion from international organizations


THE METHODS OF NONVIOLENT INTERVENTION

Psychological Intervention
158. Self-exposure to the elements
159. The fast
a) Fast of moral pressure
b) Hunger strike
c) Satyagrahic fast
160. Reverse trial
161. Nonviolent harassment

Physical Intervention
162. Sit-in
163. Stand-in
164. Ride-in
165. Wade-in
166. Mill-in
167. Pray-in
168. Nonviolent raids
169. Nonviolent air raids
170. Nonviolent invasion
171. Nonviolent interjection
172. Nonviolent obstruction
173. Nonviolent occupation

Social Intervention
174. Establishing new social patterns
175. Overloading of facilities
176. Stall-in
177. Speak-in
178. Guerrilla theater
179. Alternative social institutions
180. Alternative communication system

Economic Intervention
181. Reverse strike
182. Stay-in strike
183. Nonviolent land seizure
184. Defiance of blockades
185. Politically motivated counterfeiting
186. Preclusive purchasing
187. Seizure of assets
188. Dumping
189. Selective patronage
190. Alternative markets
191. Alternative transportation systems
192. Alternative economic institutions

Political Intervention
193. Overloading of administrative systems
194. Disclosing identities of secret agents
195. Seeking imprisonment
196. Civil disobedience of "neutral" laws
197. Work-on without collaboration
198. Dual sovereignty and parallel government

Source: Gene Sharp, The Politics of Nonviolent Action, Vol. 2: The Methods of Nonviolent Action (Boston: Porter Sargent Publishers, 1973).
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 Post subject: Re: 11/11/11 Saint Martins Day, Martinism, Sauniere YU55
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It is such a coincidence that Martinville LA is one of the oldest Acadian settlements in LA
Mardis Gras and Carnival is celebrated
it is against the law to cut a oak tree


and they have as their favorite Saint
Saint Martin of Tours is the name of the church and it is where the statue of Evangeline
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he poem is written in dactylic hexameter, possibly inspired by Greek and Latin classics, including Homer, whose work Longfellow was reading at the time he was writing Evangeline


The story is about two lovers torn apart on their wedding day by the Great Expulsion never to find each other until his death where he dies in her arms.


and the church Saint Martin of Tours in Limoux France
is the place where carnival lasts for months
there is a wall paper with a house a oak tree and the Scottish thistle
The national emblem of Scotland, one thistle is said to have saved an entire Scottish army. A thousand years ago, during the Vikings invasion of Scotland, an advancing enemy warrior stepped on a thistle and cried out in pain inadvertently waking the sleeping Scotsmen. Scottish King Kenneth III was so grateful that he adopted the thistle as his nation's emblem.

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Here she is in Nova Scotia
Grand Pre, Nova Scotia, Acadians reconstructed the French church with a statue of Evangeline in the courtyard.
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Mary Queen of Scots
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was Saint Martin of Tours at Limoux where Joan of Arc found her sword
The King wanted to present her with a sword, so she asked for that of Sainte Catherine de Fierbois. "on lui demanda si elle l'avoit oncques veue, et elle dit que non"........

A black-smith was sent from Tours who found the sword amongst several other ex-voto that had been left in a trunk behind the altar.

Saint Catherine is in the church with the wheel

Joan of Arc arrived at the castle, at the beginning of her quest to liberate France from the English on March 8, 1429; it was here that she recognized the disguised Dauphin from amongst his courtiers, a feat which helped to persuade him to accede to her urging to declare himself king and raise an army to liberate France

Chinon castle
In the keep or donjon, called the Tour de Coudray, Templar three knights were imprisoned during the brutal suppression of the Templar Order that occurred in 1308. Some of the prisoners carved odd symbols into the walls of their cells: Hearts, Stars of David, grids, and other geometrical patterns. It is unknown if they were random symbols, or represented a code of some type.

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Tri-Chloro-Etheline TCE


Metal cleaning, finishing and vapour degresing, industrial solvent, & dry cleaning fluid, etc......causes Parkinsons.

"exposure to the solvent was likely to result in a six-fold increase in the chances of developing the disease".


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TCE has been used in paints, glue, carpet cleaners, dry-cleaning solutions and as a degreaser. It has been banned in the food and pharmaceutical industries in most regions of the world since the 1970s, due to concerns over its toxicity.

In 1997, the US authorities banned its use as an anaesthetic, skin disinfectant, grain fumigant and coffee decaffeinating agent, but it is still used as a degreasing agent for metal parts.

A computer image of affected neurons in the brain of Parkinson's patients Groundwater contamination by TCE is widespread, with studies estimating up to 30% of US drinking water supplies are contaminated with TCE. In Europe, it was reclassified in 2001 as a "category 2" carcinogen, although it is still used in industrial applications.



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there is a wall paper with a house a oak tree and the Scottish thistle


we've had this conversation before linking the Martyr's torture with the chardon thistle with carding combs and Tisserands...the chardon cardère..the teasel burr....bugger all to do with Scotland in this instance.

The SB is Saint Blaise who was stripped of his skin by the carding combs..hence the teasle thistle & candles....he was then decapitated. The country of his birth and martyrdom, was Armenia. Patron Saint of the Tisserands.

Tisserands or Tisseyres... weavers, another nick-name for Penitents.


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Glad you like the Fleur de Lys Sheila, here are a few more pictures. These will be the last from St Martin's, as I'm sure some people will be getting bored.
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Believe it or not I think I have seen a house like that on the wallpaper and the tree
and it is connected to Saint Martin ...it is not in France

is there any houses that look like that in Limoux?


Sheila can you refresh my memory more on that
I remember you talking about it
I have a picture of a tapestry done by the sisters ...weaving tapestry of Catherine LaBoure
it has a 3 d effect or holographic

Here is Montreal's heraldry

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chardon cardère thistle grows in Nova Scotia another name chardon des champs, Canadian thistle, chardon du Canada It was probably brought over by the French settlers Some of the settlers came from Cathar country

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and coat of arms of Nova Scotia
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In Germany the plant is often depicted as a religious symbol associated with the Virgin Mary; the species name “marianum” honors this symbolic association. According to popular legend, the milky white fluid that comes from the leaves when crushed is the milk of the Virgin Mary.

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we've had this conversation before linking the Martyr's torture with the chardon thistle with carding combs and Tisserands...the chardon cardère..the teasel burr....bugger all to do with Scotland in this instance.

The SB is Saint Blaise who was stripped of his skin by the carding combs..hence the teasle thistle & candles....he was then decapitated. The country of his birth and martyrdom, was Armenia. Patron Saint of the Tisserands.

Tisserands or Tisseyres... weavers, another nick-name for Penitents.


Nova Scotia French: Nouvelle-Écosse; Scottish Gaelic: Alba Nuadh)

The name of the province is Latin for "New Scotland,

Here is a picture of an oak tree at Martinville LA it lies in front of a historical acadian home to give you an example
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I grew up sailing on a Thistle sailboat on long Island Sound (not pictured).

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exactly Pilrig...the "bad guys" are friends and family until the wind changes.....and as to the in-bred royals and the Quefn you know my thoughts on that.

...and before anyone says "there's no Ef in Queen"...us Scots know that already.


My auld fella used to tell me that there's no 'F' in 'Pope' either (funny my schoolteachers never taught me that :lol: )


Up the long ladder and down the short rope
To Hell with King Billy and God bless the Pope
If that doesn't do it, we'll tear him in two
And send him to Hell with his red white and blue

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Ah yes, the so-called 'Glorious Revolution', the Prince of Orange invaded southern England with an army of mainly German and Dutch mercenaries, his father-in-law King James VII & II led an army to repel the invaders, but alas his bottle went and he fled over to France (losing the Great Seal in the process). The Prince of Orange and his wife Mary were invited to become joint monarchs by the English Parliament, and shortly after that Scotland followed suit ( a legal fiction according to Allan Massie).


PS; "Nobody will assassinate me as long as James is my successor" - Charles II

PPS - "Raise your glass to the little gentleman in the black velvet coat" - Jacobite toast :lol:


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My auld fella used to tell me that there's no 'F' in 'Pope' either (funny my schoolteachers never taught me that :lol: )


Up the long ladder and down the short rope
To Hell with King Billy and God bless the Pope
If that doesn't do it, we'll tear him in two
And send him to Hell with his red white and blue

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Ah yes, the so-called 'Glorious Revolution', the Prince of Orange invaded southern England with an army of mainly German and Dutch mercenaries, his father-in-law King James VII & II led an army to repel the invaders, but alas his bottle went and he fled over to France (losing the Great Seal in the process). The Prince of Orange and his wife Mary were invited to become joint monarchs by the English Parliament, and shortly after that Scotland followed suit ( a legal fiction according to Allan Massie).


PS; "Nobody will assassinate me as long as James is my successor" - Charles II

PPS - "Raise your glass to the little gentleman in the black velvet coat" - Jacobite toast :lol:


I believe "King Billy" in this jingle refers not to William III but rather William IV, aka "Silly Billy", does it not?

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Depends on the era when the ditty was sung, but I'd put my wages on it relating to William of Orange.


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"Raise your glass to the little gentleman in the black velvet coat" - Jacobite toast :lol:


a toast to the individual that, digging near Hampton Court in 1702, constructed the molehill over which the despised King William III's horse stumbled. The horse threw the king, and, he died days later from the complications of a broken collarbone.

Today, from detailed probes of moles' underground lives, researchers can confirm what the Jacobite story suggests: a mole is a force to be reckoned with.


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This octagon is placed immediately beneath the one just mentioned and represents the name Mary Stuart superimposed with the queen's cipher, the royal crown, the thistle and the anagram motto "Sa virtu m'atire"

Its strength draws me
'Its virtue attracts me'

she was growing in wisdom like a plant in the sun.

A lot of Mary's embroideries contain some hidden meaning

I noticed a PS in her embroidery

Mary Queen of Scots was of the Guise Family/Lorraine family

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