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Rain, Coppens was for a very long time an accomplice of Andre Douzet... Andre Douzet is very proud of having been a member of precursor sects to the Temple Solaire, and was also close to Temple Solaire honcho, gangster and occasional arms dealer Jo Di Mambro.

Under the "unclean hands" doctrine, you may want to discount much of that information.

There's a relevant article in NEXUS March 2011 called "The knights of the Extreme Right" that gives a summation and includes information about Order of the Solar Temple. It was written by Philip Coppens.

Yes indeed, Chaumeil was a very odd choice and he also behaved very oddly, threatening witnesses... He just barely escaped being thrown in jail. Read the court files.

M. Jean-Luc CHAUMEIL came to me on Sept. 13th to try to convince me that his thesis and the one of his accomplices judge Luc FONTAINE, police officer Gilbert HOUVENAGHEL, and psychiatrist Jean-Marie ABGRALL was the right one. And M. Jean-Luc CHAUMEIL, before 5 witnesses (2 lawyers, including Maitre Sabine PAUGAM, a judiciary police officer, a TV journalist equipped with a discrete cassette recorder, and our friend Joël LABRUYERE) ended his intervention during this private meeting (that he was informed of through tapped telephones), by threathening me that he would "get back to me" in case I was ever doubting his claims.

I must add that on this day, this same M. CHAUMEIL, who tried to intimidate me by his presence, looked terrified himself and I will not mention how confused his speech was.

Of course, a proceedings will begin against M. CHAUMEIL, for threats, by Maîre Jean-Pierre JOSEPH of the Grenoble Bar, Maître Sabine PAUGAM and Maître Igor de PLATER as witnesses.

I may have this wrong, but wasn't J-L C a one time member of the OTS, which is why he is classed as a witness?

Since 1995, the French police (Cdr Gilbert HOUVENAGHEL, Judiciary Police), the examining magistrate Luc FONTAINE (Vice-President of the Grenoble's Great Proceedings Tribunal), the two judiciary "experts" in this matter, the spy-journalist Jean-Luc CHAUMEIL and the psychiatrist Jean-Marie ABGRALL, manipulate information as well as the judiciary investigation, in order to hide to the civil parties and to the public opinion the reality of the facts and lead them to believe in an indefensible theory of "esoteric suicide". This theory is used to hide a knowingly wanted real premeditated murder by individuals totally alive today and known to the justice.

page 11?

the book starts on page 9!

ye gods woman...your googling finger is going to be worn out by the end of the first chapter!

Hi Roger,

Roger wrote:



It is my understanding that Chaumeil claims that his involvement with the case was due to his OTS 'expertise'...which is extremely interesting, given his views on space-men...

I also read these allegations...Does anybody know how true they might be?




Nic wrote:



I can't confirm that but I did read this...



IMHO all of this is very relevant, simply because Chaumeil is the lead Sion skeptic cheerleader...

Regards,

Spartacus

Hi,

Just in case anyone is interested, you can find the above mentioned 'Knights of the Extreme Right' article here:

edited to repair faulty link.

Sorry Sheila

http://www.philipcoppens.com/stateterrorism_2.html

Regards,

Spartacus

Gower, whose birth is supposed to have been about 1320, in his " Confessio Amantis " (first printed in 1483), gives a description of the chariot and crown of the sun, in which the Arabian ideas respecting precious stones are interwoven with Ovid's fictions and the classical mythology : ___

" Of goldè glistrende spoke and whele
The Sonne his carte hath, faire and wele;
In which he sit, and is croned
With bright stones environed;
Of which if that I speke shall
There be tofore in speciall,
Set in the front of his corone,
Thre stones, which no persone
Hath upon erth ; and the first is
By name cleped Leucachatis ;
The other two cleped thus,
Astroites and Ceraunus,
In his corone ; and also byhynde,
By olde bokes, as I fynd,
There ben of worthy stones three,
Set eche of hem in his degree ;
Whereof a Cristelle is that one,
Which that corone is sett upon ;
The second is an Adamant ;
The third is noble and avenant,
Which cleped is Idriades—
And over this yet natheless,
Upon the sidis of the werke,
After the writynge of the clerke,
There sitten five stones mo ;
The Smaragdine is one of tho,
Jaspis, and Helitropius,
And Vandides and Jacinctus.
Lo! thus the corone is beset
Whereof it shineth wel the bet."

Does anyone have any thoughts about the color change reference here? Great thread by the way - thanks to all involved.

If you look up ancient optics there is plenty of information especially through ancient Islam and some of their grimoires (alchemist recipes) for stained glass.

http://www.polarization.com/viking/viking.html

http://www.nordskip.com/vkarlsen.html

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 49,00.html

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/303201

They didn't form an organization in and of themselves, although they commonly belonged to a small number of neo-chivalric organizations. Most notably ex-King Peter of Yugoslavia's Order of St. John and the Order of St. Lazarus. Some were also episcopi vagantes.



They didn't belong to Plantard's "Priory" nor was Plantard their Grand Master. And by incorporating elements of their myth into his own, Plantard was indeed exposing it to a degree of public scrutiny they were not comfortable with at all. He sought publicity; they sought limited exposure in certain circles to avoid the glare of public scrutiny. The damage could have been contained to the French-speaking world had Baigent, Lincoln and Leigh not gotten involved. They saw Plantard as nothing but a light-seeking pest who had attached himself to Philippe de Chérisey, who was part of the inner circle. Which put Chérisey in a very uncomfortable position as the one who had brought Plantard to their periphery in the first place.

TCP

And by incorporating elements of their myth into his own, Plantard was indeed exposing it to a degree of public scrutiny they were not comfortable with at all. He sought publicity; they sought limited exposure in certain circles to avoid the glare of public scrutiny. The damage could have been contained to the French-speaking world had Baigent, Lincoln and Leigh not gotten involved. They saw Plantard as nothing but a light-seeking pest who had attached himself to Philippe de Chérisey, who was part of the inner circle. Which put Chérisey in a very uncomfortable position as the one who had brought Plantard to their periphery in the first place.

References would be appreciated for the "elements of their myth";
for "Cherisey, who was part of their inner circle"; etc...

This American-John Birch-centric scenario has been flogged before, with deservedly little success.

References would be appreciated for the "elements of their myth";
for "Cherisey, who was part of their inner circle"; etc...

This American-John Birch-centric scenario has been flogged before, with deservedly little success.

"international campaigns aiming to discredit hostile personalities or events," the "creation of a (private) intelligence service specializing according to a selective point of view," and the "establishment of offices under suitable cover, each run by a coordinator from the central office. Current plans cover London, Washington, PARIS, Munich and Madrid."

He does, however, give some interesting insights: "Besides his political role within the CEPIC, Benoît de Bonvoisin exerted an influence in Zaïre [Congo; Belgian colony until 1960], firstly in the struggle against communism and secondly attempting to curb corruption, with friends from the American administration. Van den Boeynants assigned General Roman and Benoît on a number of missions in order to counteract the Soviet influence in Belgium... Through a number of people with whom he was in touch in the United States and France, B. de B felt it necessary to try and get the Belgian intelligence services under democratic control. He considered it urgent, since this was the only secret service to escape control... [Albert Raes, head of Belgian intelligence] Largely because of B. de B, Raes was forced to resign in 1990... B. de Bonvoisin was highly regarded by the head of the French secret services, Alexandre de Marenches, but the latter had no esteem for Albert Raes... [Albert Raes ]... he [Raes] tried to associate B. de B with the extreme right, a trick often used by the Soviet secret services." On the same page: "Professor Lode Van Outrive concluded that : " Several times the Americans tried to convince Raes to concentrate first and foremost on the Eastern block countries whereas he seemed more interested in targeting extreme right wing movements. This clearly bothered the Americans who got him to resign."" In 2003, Benoit and his brother Pierre were prosecuted by the Belgian authorities for having faked so called KGB documents. Benoit used these documents in 1995 to prove there was a vast left wing conspiracy aimed at discrediting him, which included many members of government. After the death of CEPIC in 1981, PIO was reorganized into the possibly even more influential European Institute of Management (EIM).

Wouldn't it be fair to say that there were arms across the world, with common goal of combating Communism.
They fall under the branch of co-operative security measures during the cold war period.

and Since de Cherisey was operating from Belgium then question becomes under whose aupices did he come under?

That would depend on what one believes he might have been up to, I suppose.

TCP

A lot, I believe that he defies a geo-political reasoning as to what he did, there is something more, even as an actor/oulipion he seems to even have been behind that creation.
His role seemed to multi-faceted. He seems to evaded the microscope very well, and people treat him with a reverance as if there is something truly unusual behind him.

He moved effortlessly between the genuine and the fake while managing not to be seen as aligned with either, that's for certain.

TCP

You know something and you're not saying it. What is it?