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What surprises me is that no one has really picked up on IBJs hypothosese that the object in question is the Rod of Aron or Staff of Moses. It has been wildly theorised for years that one of the objects that could be hidden in the environs of RLC is the Ark of the Covenant that allegedly contained the rod.

I know his article is a mish mash and jumps from one thing/person/place/scenario to another , but that is essentially what he is saying.

I wouldn't have a problem with discussing the crista in those terms at all - but that doesn't seem to be the way it was originally presented.

TCP

...it seems that Constantine, in the great historic tradition, had been blessed with and given an attribute, that he then went on to construct.

...and the original presentation, as you call it, involved tracing this object that was in Constantine's hand, to an object with the same attributes which turned up in the Wisigoth's treasures that were taken from Spain to Paris by Childebert, thereby entering French history....an object that conveys or represents the Divine Right to rule.

Just to be clear, that is not Mercury and nor is it a winged helmet of victory. But that IS a Phrygian cap!

The question is, is it divinely conferred (which appears to be your allusion) or is it humanly fabricated and feigned - either way, to legitimize rule.

What ruler wouldn't want the sanction of the gods/God to legitimize rule - real or phoney?

This sort of thing is the stock in trade of kingship - east or west.

You have the conch, therefore you have the power syndrome (yes another one, this time epitomized in Golding's Lord of the Flies).

Then there were the Washington apparations at Valley Forge.

Then there are the Windors, and preceeding royal families, conferred with the headship of the Anglican Church - God's vicars on earth.

Etc., etc., and etc..

Can't have more legitimacy than that, can we?

Who can prove what is real?

Are you up really late, or up really early?

I would just add that the conch continues to be a powerful symbol to the citizens of the glorious Conch Republic ("We Seceded Where Others Failed").

What would you do with the Crista's knowledge if you had it?

And wasn't the point being made at that time that these two objects were one and the same?

TCP

The Crista is not a thing.

part of the reason could stem from never actually seeing the object, how does one tie together attributes when theres nothing to compare them with.how about you post up the most accurate representation your aware of and we can go from there.

Nikola Tesla with a halo of energy.

Are those wings or flames on the Crista? IBJ tells us that the wings on the helmets represent the

divine fire, so I guess they are both - wings of fire. Is this the same aura of energy that is symbolized by the halo

which also represents divine energy around the head? The Crista also contains the rod and the serpent. I agree that

it is worthwhile to unravel the ideas of IBJ.

The dime is called the "Mercury dime", the Navajo Indians make jewelry with them because of their high content of silver.

About the image of the Crista, it is available, you can find it....

From the description given of the way Constantine made the object - also from a study of Celestial Crosses from working out the difference between them, working out what was supposed 2 b included & what it meant from a symbolic point of view.

In other words compare and contrast the history of that period in relation to Crosses & divine signs and then relate it back to imperial cults.

Too hard you might say, Crimson G. but it's the only alternative if you don't have access to a picture.

Sure you could do that, but then each person who does it would come up with a different design, who`s is right and who`s is wrong.Probably all of them I`m still lacking evidence Constantine had anything other than a Labarum created.

We have two physical objects that existed(still exist) one is the Gold cross of Toledo and the other the Tunic of Saint Vincent.

If you consider the evidence, it's style & craftmanship and in lieu of actually reading anything then maybe you could look at something from the era or track those two pieces down.



I can see that would be a problem for you, have you emailed or asked IBJ anything, yet?

Moses confronts Pharoah with the rod of Aaron which turns into a serpent by Poussin. Thank you

for pointing out that it is the rod of Aaron that IBJ identifies. The later serpent on the staff

was in the desert during the Exodus, that may have been a different staff. The connection of the

rod of Aaron within the Ark of the Covenant (re: RLC) is very interesting!


Moses parts the Red Sea with the rod of Aaron.


Moses with his rod and Pharoah in his chariot.


Aaron`s rod miraculously flowers in confirmation of his priesthood.

Here are some Phrygian cap dime Navajo earrings.


Squash blossom necklace with dimes.


"Navajo dance Mercury dime buttons."

"I'll give you my rod when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!" - Moses

There is endless confusion over Aaron's rod and Moses' staff (and the Twelve Rods of Israel) depending where and in what translation you are reading about them, but the Nehushtan (pole with brazen serpent) is a whole separate thing.

I thought you would enjoy hearing that I bought some as my daughter's first earrings (not counting training studs) from a little group of Dine ladies in the middle of Monument Valley nowhere back on September 11th 2001.

Here`s a larger version of Moses with Pharoah`s magicians. IBJ had mentioned this staff
in the same sentence as the Nehushtan which, I agree, was different and much taller.


"Moses heals the afflictions of the Israelites".

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These silver crowns look beautiful in the stadium lights of night Pow-Wows. To
qualify for Miss Navajo, the girls must be able to slaughter and dress a sheep wearing full regalia.
They have to lift it onto a table by the legs - they weigh over one hundred pounds.

Monument Valley on 9/11/01? That is very auspicious!

And to him who is waiting with baited breath, the connection with the wings on the Phrygian cap
and the Navajos is cactus tea.

I'm eternally grateful for your considered explanation.

Here is a very Crista-esque Grail window design, this must be the cup of St. John.

The serpents or the dragon in his cup represents the Rx. They didn`t have the cactus tea,

but they did have another brew - they also use quite a brew on Canigou.

And George Washington called the state of Virginia

The Commonwealth of Virga (rod/staff)

While speaking of Rockbridge County in his will, named after this...


Which is right down the road from


which is right down the road from the Star City....huge 5 pointed star on the side of a mountian.

3 photos from St. Nicolas` Church, Ghent, Belgium. The spear of Longinus - another power object entwined by a serpent.


The creature in the cup of St. John, it seems to be his pet. Photos by Sally Jacobs.


A most energetic St. Michael!