Arcadia Discussion Zone

I don't think any of the elements have changed, but many of the preceptions have, hell, we now have Chaumiel's account.

hmm... i think Wayward, that you haven't understood (or missed) the implications of the link i sent you.

irmine is talking about the other parchment, not this one.

Why does a prominent land owner in the area from the 18th century appear to have no known grave?

If this isn't the grave of Marie de Blanchefort then where is it?

so remind me what the question was again ...

Try the first posting on this thread.

...i never hear anyone discussing "Areth Adgenes." it was Lincoln who chose to recombine these words into "Ad Genesareth"...was it not ?

so, a sensible question would be...."i would like to know if the letters are just random and need to be combined or if they should be read as is..."

correct me if i'm wrong....... but in the middle of the text, there is a capital A. After this A, there’s an Omega.

Between those 2 signs, out of line letters write: ARETH.

If we take the 7 other out of line letters, we have: ADGENES.

so Lincoln et al. extrapolate this as :AD GENESARETH : towards Genesareth.

why?


for instance,

ἀρετή ARETH : Moral Virtue. Excellence and Quality. In Roman mythology, Virtus was the deity of bravery and military strength, the personification of the Roman virtue of virtus. The Greek equivalent deity was Areth / Arete. The most articulated value in Greek culture is Areté. Translated as "virtue," the word actually means something closer to "being the best you can be," or "reaching your highest human potential."



ἀρετή ARETH : According to Bernard Knox's notes found in the Robert Fagles translation of The Odyssey, "areth" is also associated with the Greek word for pray, "araomai"


the Ionic noun ἀρητή, meaning "sacred", "cursed" or "prayed"; but it could also mean "excellence" (ἀρετή). Some sources claim that it means "righteous", while others connect it with Ares, the Greek god of war.

However, if the above is just me going off down a sideroad as is my wont, then let's get back to AD GENESARETH...

Lake Kinneret – the Sea of Galilee

The Sea of Galilee - Lake Kinneret, in the Jordan Great Rift Valley.
The lake often appears on maps and in the New Testament as Sea of Galilee or Sea of Tiberias. The Babylonian Talmud, as well as Josephus Flavius mention the lake by the name "Sea of Ginnosar" after a small fertile plain that lies on its western side.
This name, in the form Lake of Gennesaret or Sea of Gennesaret appears in Christian religious texts. The name common in Hebrew today is borrowed from the Hebrew Bible, where the lake is called the "Sea of Chinnereth" (or spelled as "Kinnereth").
This name was also found in the scripts of Ugarit, in the Aqhat Epic. A variant of this name is Sea of Chinneroth. The name may originate from the Hebrew word kinnor ("harp" or "lyre")), in view of the shape of the lake, perhaps from a name of a fruit called in Biblical Hebrew kinar, and is thought to be the fruit of Ziziphus spina-christi.

In Christian tradition the tree Ziziphus spina-christi was identified with the thorn bush with which Jesus was crowned before his crucifixion (Matthew 27:28–29; John 19:5; Mark 15:17). This is also the source for the scientific name (spina-christi).

Ziziphus, the ancient Greeks called the tree zizyphon, from the Arabic zizouf, a name for the mythical lotus. This was taken into Latin as zizyphum, or zizypha for the fruits.
spina-christi, spina, thorn; prickle, spine; meaning "covered with Christ's-thorn."


http://flora.huji.ac.il/browse.asp?lang ... %98%D7%954
http://www.ethnobiomed.com/content/1/1/8
http://www.springerlink.com/content/7w2 ... ltext.html

The Ziziphus spina-christi has round golden fruit...like small shining apples.
The Golden bough and or the Lyre of Aeneas.

It is suggested that this is the only tree species considered "holy" by Muslims (all the individuals of the species are sanctified by religion) in addition to its status as "sacred tree (particular trees which are venerated due to historical or magical events related to them, regardless of their botanical identity) in the Middle East. It has also a special status as "blessed tree" among the Druze. ..... ("sacred" trees are called "blessed" because according to their tradition only humans can be sacred).


and as i mentioned the other day...the word blue is thought to originally designate a discoloured, pale, washed-out shade. Through a Proto-Indo-European root, it is also linked with Latin flavus "yellow" as in golden... with Greek phalos (white), French blanc (white) and with Russian белый, belyi ("white," see beluga), and Welsh blawr (grey) all of which derive from the Proto-Indo-European root *bhel- meaning "to shine, flash or burn"..Bel, Beli, Belennos etc.

the shining golden apples of eternal youth and resurrection.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanfari/5524678245/

The centre 12 extraneous letters (starts at 64 extraneous letters in) spell AD GENESARET. These are removed before the decoding process. It's where Jesus was when Mary anointed his feet.

The small letters spell REX MUNDI.

i'd like to know the order that these words appear in, viz...

I suppose

But are not both texts in latin? My question was, are the alledged obvious mistakes in the latin of the two parchments, similar to the mistakes in the latin of the painting of Mary Magdalene under the alter (before it was vandalized)? In other words could all three texts have been copied by the same person, such as a priest who took the latin study days off at priest school.

I have to ask this, If Tisseyre and Boudet were friends as Irmine suggested, what difference would it make?

Problem is, as usual there is no hard evidence, just some slightly dubious documents stating its existence. I know Bigou apparently buried MdB in the RLC graveyard, but is that confirmed anywhere in the parish records or Carcassonne archives? If at least the proof was there of her burial in RLC then it would substantiate the steele/dalle theories. Is it not possible that she could have been buried elsewhere, as in another church ( somewhere like Alet, RLB, Hautpoul etc ) or less likely in the "Tomb of the Seigneurs ?
I'm sure this has been covered before, but my brain is a bit mushed at the moment
Edit to add, I just found this :-


http://www.rennes-le-chateau-rhedae.com ... rials.html
Can anyone make out a clarification that the burial took place in RLC from this photo ?
Regards
Nic

It says "a ete ensevelie par nous". This choice of words means she was buried, not entombed in a crypt or vault. It would help if you had a larger image to offer.

They appear in that order. AD GENESARET in plain text.

No the Dagobert message was manufactured by de Cherisey, he said so. The odd layout has more meaning than anything else on this parchment. The passage from underneath the kneeling Magdalene (repeated in the shepherdess parchment) was smashed by a vandal in the 1970s shortly before Corbu was killed in a road accident. So the parchment is pre 1970. Which kind of eliminates de Cherisey as the author, there are other reasons to eliminate him.



The shepherdess parchment is either contemporary with or written after Saunière but before 1970.

Note the hand writing of each parchment is different.

None as I can see. The Marie de Blanche-fort headstone is a source of much revisionism with me. I does appear to have been present once and there is a stone that someone has taken the trouble to hack away at the surface to remove whatever was on there. It was, according to Lincoln, in the Ossuary, the place where any bones are removed to if found when digging another grave. It is a good place to hide a body. Even the Tisseyre story seems a little odd to me. He describes the unusual layout on the headstone and yet doesn't attempt to explain his opinion of it. Just merely records its presence. It's almost as if he is seeing something he recognises. http://jhaldezos.free.fr/societesavante ... n1905.html

The discovery of the Ossuary.




This is a prominent land owning woman, where is her grave if not here? This is what is so fascinating about Saunière, you cannot trivialize his life however much you would like to.

The Pujol grave next to the Couiza/Arques road is also odd. There's some kind of covert religious practices hovering under the surface of an overt Catholic facade here.

At present both Louis de Coma and Bérenger Saunière are buried in unconsecrated ground.

Robenhausen is a place in Switzerland famous for the findings from the Beaker Culture. Who are likely the ones that built all the Megaliths all over western Europe.

Yes thanks for that, I can't read it I'll have to take someone's word for what it says.

The Abbé Rougé (mentioned: forename Guilhem; which also happens to be the name of a wine from the Languedoc) was curé at Rennes le Chateau from 1804 to 1821 and again from 1821 to 1822. With the Abbé Couvery being curé for less than a year in 1821.

irmine, could you elaborate on this please.---Bill

I think Irmine's gone, Wayward. Maybe you could p.m. her.

Thanks rain, maybe I'll try that.

Her? hmmm

I'm not sure about the her/him but that is how Irmine proposed she? wished to be referred to.

But Roscoe, eariler you told me the Dagobert message was on the other side of the same parchment and as de Cherisey did not author the Shepherdess parchment, he also did not author the Dagobert parchment. Are you now saying you believe there were indeed two coded parchments? Or are you actually saying de Cherisey wrote a text on the other side of a "copy" of the Shepherdess parchment? I am just trying to clarify your position, thanks.---Bill