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I don't know if anyone else feels like this but I struggle to read books like "Crusade against the Grail" and "Spear of Destiny".
I know it may sound a little bit girlie and it's just a book but I feel a bit hopeless and angry about it all. 25, 000, 000 million people died and in these books we're confronted with reality of the sickness of their actions motivated by occult activities.
So I will end up reading Mystic Lamb and Hitler's Holy relics but I know it will alter the way I see things and haunt me for awhile at least and I become a little bit militant and crusading for justice afterwards.
I just thought I'd say that because it does affect me, I don't think I can willingly deal in such subject matters and not be affected.
I thought I'd post this to let others know if anyone else maybe felt the same that they weren't alone.

They neglected to mention the controversial chapter "The Mystery of the Missing Zizi".

I know where you are coming from Rain. I have difficulty watching tv programmes on the holocaust etc. Horror movies don't bother me, but there is something about knowing the depths that humans will lower themselves to in reality that I find disturbing. I'm sure we are not alone in our feelings relating to such matters.
Regards
Nic

I don't know if you're joking or there really is a missing Zizi?

They neglected to mention the controversial chapter "The Mystery of the Missing Zizi".

I don't know if anyone else feels like this but I struggle to read books like "Crusade against the Grail" and "Spear of Destiny".
I know it may sound a little bit girlie and it's just a book but I feel a bit hopeless and angry about it all. 25, 000, 000 million people died and in these books we're confronted with reality of the sickness of their actions motivated by occult activities.
So I will end up reading Mystic Lamb and Hitler's Holy relics but I know it will alter the way I see things and haunt me for awhile at least and I become a little bit militant and crusading for justice afterwards.
I just thought I'd say that because it does affect me, I don't think I can willingly deal in such subject matters and not be affected.
I thought I'd post this to let others know if anyone else maybe felt the same that they weren't alone.

I'm sure we are not alone in our feelings relating to such matters.

When i read Ravenscroft i couldnt get out of my mind that the Nazi made soap and Lampshades out of human skin and fat ...

And when i read Mein Kampf, i was upset ... for a totally different reason ....

If the Lance or Spear of destiny was so important to Hitler as is usually stated, why was it left with the other treasures? and more specifically, why didn't he keep it with him all the time? He had the power to do that after all!

The one with perhaps the best claim, or at least the oldest provenance is in the Hofburg Museum in Vienna, Austria. This spear, said to be the lance of the Roman soldier Gaius Cassius can be traced back through history to Constantine the Great, the Roman Emperor who first adopted Christianity in the early 4th century. This spear is made of iron. The long tapering point is supported by a wide base with metal flanges depicting the wings of a dove. Within a central aperture in the blade, a hammer-headed nail (thought to be from the cross) has been secured by a cuff threaded with metal wire. According to legend the spear passed from the possession of Gais Cassius, the Roman centurion.
According to Ravencroft the lance was possessed by a series of successful military leaders including Theodosius, Alaric (who was responsible for the sacking of Rome), Charles Martel (who defeated the Moslems in 733 AD), Charlemagne and Frederick Barbarossa.
A legend grew around the lance that whoever possessed it would be able to conquer the world. Napoleon attempted to obtain the lance after the battle of Austerlitz, but it had been smuggled out of the city prior to the start of the fight and he never got a hold of it. According to the legend, Charlemagne carried the spear through 47 successful battles, but died when he accidentally dropped it. Barbarossa met the same fate only a few minutes after it slipped out of his hands while he was crossing a stream.
Napoleon attempted to take the Holy Lance following the Battle of Austerlitz, but, unfortunately for him, it had already been smuggled out of Vienna just prior to the battle, and he never secured it.
The spear finally wound up in the possession of the House of the Habsburgs and by 1912 was part of the treasure collection stored in Hofburg Museum. According to Ravenscroft it was in September of that year, while living in Vienna and working as a watercolor painter, that a young Adolf Hitler visited the Museum and learned of the lance and its reputation. Dr. Walter Stein, who accompanied Hitler on that visit, remembered, “when we first stood side by side in front of the Spear of Destiny it appeared to me that Hitler was in so deep a condition of trance that he was suffering almost complete sense-denudation and a total lack of self-consciousness.”
Hitler later said, “I stood there quietly gazing upon it for several minutes quite oblivious to the scene around me. It seemed to carry some hidden inner meaning which evaded me, a meaning which I felt I inwardly knew yet could not bring to consciousness…I felt as though I myself had held it before in some earlier century of history. That I myself had once claimed it as my talisman of power and held the destiny of the world in my hands…”
Hitler saw the lance as his mystical connection with generations of conquering Germanic leaders that had come before him. On March 14, 1938, after he had risen to power as the chancellor of Germany, Hitler annexed the state of Austria and ordered that the spear, along with the rest of the Habsburg collection, be sent to the city of Nuremberg, heart of the Nazi movement.
Ravenscroft reveals much of the absolute Satanism which physically possessed Hitler. If you want to get an idea of how the real Antichrist is going to think, act, and plan, you need to read this “inside” account of Ravenscroft. Much of Hitler’s actions during World War II make sense only when you realize how his occultist mind set caused him to act the way he did. Secular historians miss much of the point of Hitler’s more bizarre actions.
After having declared Austria to be a part of the Third Reich the Austrian born Adolf Hitler had the lance loaded on to an armored SS train and taken to Nuremberg on October 13, 1938. There it remained in St. Catherine’s Church for the next 6 years until it was removed to a safer, protective underground vault where Lt. Walter William Horn, army serial number 01326328, of the United States Army took possession of it in the name of the US government at 2:10 PM on April 30, 1945; the same day Adolph Hitler and a woman named Eva Braun were reported to have committed suicide in a bunker outside Berlin. It is also the same day that Munich was captured by Patch’s 7th Army unit. Also, on April 30th, 1945, Germany surrendered ending the Third Reich.
With the fall the Soviet Union, and the opening up of Soviet archives in addition to recent testimony by former Soviet soldiers who actually captured Hitler’s Bunker in Berlin, we have finally been able to confirm that at approximately 3:30 PM, just 80 minutes after the United States took possession of the Spear, that Hitler committed suicide by shooting himself in the head.
Today the Holy Lance has been returned to the Hofburg Museum. Is it authentic? General George S. Patton thought so. He became fascinated by the spear after the war and had its history traced.
Did Hitler really think possessing the spear would help him win the war? Other historians have found Ravenscroft’s research suspicious and his book remains controversial. Alan Baker, author of Invisible Eagle, The History of Nazi Occultism, thinks Hitler was more interested in getting a hold of the Hofburg treasures for financial reasons, not occult reasons. A later book entitled; “Adolf Hitler and the Secrets of the Holy Lance” (by Buechner & Bernhart) claims that a replica of the was returned to the Vienna Museum, while the real lance may have been squirrel-away with other secret Nazi plundered treasure by Himmler and the SS to South America or Antarctica.

I don't know if anyone else feels like this but I struggle to read books like "Crusade against the Grail" and "Spear of Destiny".
I know it may sound a little bit girlie and it's just a book but I feel a bit hopeless and angry about it all. 25, 000, 000 million people died and in these books we're confronted with reality of the sickness of their actions motivated by occult activities.
So I will end up reading Mystic Lamb and Hitler's Holy relics but I know it will alter the way I see things and haunt me for awhile at least and I become a little bit militant and crusading for justice afterwards.
I just thought I'd say that because it does affect me, I don't think I can willingly deal in such subject matters and not be affected.
I thought I'd post this to let others know if anyone else maybe felt the same that they weren't alone.

Does the wiping out of the Cathars by the Holy Roman Church bother you? 12000 burned to death in Beziers in one day. That was your Church that did that. That was what Crusade against the Grail was about.

The author of Crusade Against The Grail was a leading Nazi, ...........

I think Rahn's inclinations and motivations are always going to seem a bit ambiguous; maybe they were to him, as well. But he did leave the SS and was, at the very least, driven to his death by the Nazi regime, if not actually killed by them. I think one would also, with the benefit of hindsight, draw a distinction, if a nuanced one, between someone joining the SS in 1936, as Rahn did, and someone joining it in, say, 1941. That said, given the high level of access he had, and his boss Heinrich Himmler's pursuit of pseudo-history for the purposes of Aryan myth making, it's hard to believe that Rahn could have been unaware of the racist ideology underpinning national socialism. But then, he was a product of his times, and his region, and also a very troubled character, I believe, towards the end of his life, and very unhappy, so who knows what turmoil his mind might have been in, and what personal regrets he may have had. It's a very confused picture, really. I prefer to think that his first motivation was his writing and research, and that his membership of the SS was in part an opportunistic way of advancing this, with the full resources of what was by then a Nazi state behind him. But that may be over-generous, and I don't suppose we shall ever know for sure.

Incidentally, has anyone seen - or, even better, know how to obtain - a 2001 documentary about Rahn, the Cathars and Montsegur, by Languedoc based film maker, Richard Stanley? It was called The Secret Glory and used to be available as an extra on the DVD boxset of one of his feature films - Dust Devil, I think - that's now been discontinued. Stanley is an interesting film maker, very tuned into the geography, history and mythology of south-west France, so I would very much like to see this rarely seen film.

Landig Group
For the philosophical association, see Vienna Circle.

The Landig Group was an occultist and neo-völkisch group formed in 1950, that first gathered for discussions at the studio of the designer Wilhelm Landig in Vienna's 4th district of Wieden, in Austria.

The circle's most prominent and influential members were Wilhelm Landig (1909–1997), Erich Halik (Claude Schweikhart) and Rudolf J. Mund (1920–1985).

The circle has also been referred to as the Landig Circle, Vienna Group and Vienna Lodge.





Contents
[hide] 1 Background
2 Wilhelm Landig
3 See also
4 References


[edit] Background

Landig was the founder of the group, that has since inspired decades of völkisch mysticism. He and his group revived the ariosophical, Ario-Germanic mythology of Thule, the supposed polar homeland of the ancient Aryans.

Landig "coined the term Black Sun, a substitute Swastika [and/or Fylfot ] and mystical source of energy capable of regenerating the Aryan race."[1] Landig, through his circle, popularized esoteric ideas current among the pre-Nazi völkisch movement and the SS relating to Atlantis, the World Ice Theory, pre-historic floods and secret racial doctrines from Tibet.

Landig and other occult-fascist propagandists have circulated wild stories about German Nazi colonies that live and work in secret installations beneath the polar ice caps, where they developed flying saucers [see Nazi UFOs] and miracle weapons (Die Glocke) after the demise of the Third Reich.[2] Including the theory that flying saucers were Nazi secret weapons launched from an underground base in Antarctica, from which the Nazis hoped to conquer the world.

The focus of the group’s discussions was a secret center in the Arctic known as the Blue Island, which could serve as a source point for a renaissance of traditional life. This idea was taken from Julius Evola, whose Revolt Against the Modern World became the bible of the Landig group.[1]

More so, or at least equally as important to the group as Evola's book, the Vienna Group hungrily devoured the ideas and books of Hermann Wirth.[1]

[edit] Wilhelm Landig

Landig was a former SS (of Himmler) man whom revived ariosophical mythology of Thule. He coined the idea of the Black Sun, a substitute swastika and mythical source of energy. He was born on December 20, 1909.[1] He wrote Götzen gegen Thule, Rebellen für Thule. Das Erbe von Atlantis and Wolfszeit um Thule.

Rebellen für Thule. Das Erbe von Atlantis

[edit] See also
Black Sun (occult symbol)
Nazi occultism
Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke
Hollow Earth
Esoteric Nazism
Nazi archaeology
Vril Society
Thule Society

[edit] References

1.^ a b c d Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke. 2002. Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism and the Politics of Identity. New York University Press. ISBN 0-8147-3124-4. (Paperback, 2003. ISBN 0-8147-3155-4)

Otto Rahn, Christian, resident in Berlin, was found dead on 11 May 1939 in soell, Stockach nr15. The deceased was born 18/2/1904 in Michelstadt. Day and hour of death unknown, possible the night of 13-14 March 1939. The deceased was not married. Written from an oral despostion of the police station Soell on the basis of his passport. Soell, 3 June1939, Johann Ortner

Otto Rahn reinstated into the officer's ranks of SS Posthumously
23 October 1943: Memo from Naumann to Brandt. "...leider is em Autor ein Missgeschick passiert, indem er wegen Vergehens gegen #175 vervolgt wurde...'

The Reichsverband deutscher Schriftsteller (sometimes mis-translated Nazi Writers Union) was founded in 1933 by the Nazi government of the Third Reich in the process of 'germanizing' cultural institutions and purging it of foreign influences. This process was necessitated by the Reichskulturkammergesetz (National Cultural Chamber Act) of 9 September 1933.

It encompassed writers of all literary genres, and was part of a larger literary hierarchy, the Reichsschrifttumkammer (Reich Writers' Chamber), founded the same year. The Reich Writers Chamber was one of seven components of the Reich Cultural Chamber.

Otto Rahn officially only member of SS from 12.3.1936
Otto Rahn's SS particulars in bundesarchiv.
Obersturmfuhrer
SS Fuhrer Ausweis nummer: 276 208
Partei mitgliedsnummer: 5499962
Issued November1938

I find it pretty amazing to be on a forum where I get nailed for supposedly being responsible for the deaths of 12, 000 cathars whereas a determination can't be made on whether Otto Rahn was a Nazi or not. So let me just clear that little button up.





Otto Rahn was also a member of the Reichsverband deutscher Schriftsteller