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If Rennes-le-Château phenomenon is really a infinite game, this summer 2011 triumphantly confirmed Pierre Plantard's role of puppetmaster...

http://www.marianotomatis.it/blog/index ... t=20110827

Thank you Mariano.

These explanations are some of the most bizarre and to me virtually incomprehensible I've seen yet . Why would someone trying to "code" a location or painting reference use such obscure ideas that would never just be guessed or interpreted correctly. I take it the 30 corpses is referring to Corbu's tale of Blanche de Castile?
Do they actually have any proof that this hole/cave contains anything other than water and spiders, because as we all know there are many many other caves in the locality that could equally contain something? How is it possible to write a book that pertains to show the location of a buried treasure and give the explanation of how the location was found, if the writer has no idea if there is something there apart from yet another hole in the ground. I remain sadly sceptical
Regards
Nic

Ben Hammott found a cave full of treasures in 2008?

Actually after looking at the ghostly characters behind Blanche Castile at New Orleans
I can understand the legend of the workmen buried alive...or its the Cathars killed

Its a legend about a curse that hung over the Capetians

Why would someone trying to "code" a location or painting reference use such obscure ideas that would never just be guessed or interpreted correctly.

Nic, i so wish i could tell you about some research that an absolute genius has discovered

I dont say this for 'one-upmanship' or anything like that (and not that Ben isnt a genius also ) but a researcher friend of ours has discovered something amazing.

It doesnt really matter what others say - because none can demonstrate the link between the disparate threads of the parchments, saint sulpice, poussin etc. He can.

Its like nothing any Rennes researcher has "discovered".

But it is demonstrable. I remain stunned by it all.

I interviewed him for the Journal so there is a bit about it in there. Its really quite exciting ....

It will take RLC research as it were, to a whole other level ......

Edited to add - i wait with anticipation for Mariano to pass it off as really an infinite game
He hasnt got a clue really, bless him

Here we go again.

Don't say this for oneupmanship?

Shut up then. We've had a year of flag waving and it's destroyed the forum.

Put up or shut up. Preferably the latter.

that pertains to show the location of a buried treasure and give the explanation of how the location was found, if the writer has no idea if there is something there apart from yet another hole in the ground.

They should borrow a super whiz camera with an extension that they can stick down the hole to film, then they will know i guess....

Put up or shut up.

Oh go away with your jealousy. Its really boring.

Boring?

"Oh look at me everybody I know something you don't and I'm not going to tell you HA HA!!!!"

Is that so? So now do you suppose that everyone on the forum will now be hanging on your every word. And we're all soooooooo entertained.

everyone knows that you (or your mysterious friend) know nothing.

Take some advice. Go and get a life.

Morning. All !

Morning .....

Equipment readily available to Sauniere I presume?

Yet more disinformation! *sigh*

(I agree 100% Roscoe)

Yet more disinformation! *sigh*

youre the past master at that crap

Sandy can you say if this pertains to Blanche Castile's treasure and the 30 corpses are the workmen who were buried alive

or were they killed another way

in other words are they going to find more bodies down there

It sounds interesting

I really don't know what you mean. If you refrained from claiming priviliged 'discoveries' Roscoe wouldn't have said what he did. I was only echoing his comments. This thread is supposed to be about Sougraigne - which I also see as something of a needless diversion, but at least its not flagrant flag-waving. If you want to make such announcements you'd be better off starting a new thread for them.

"...none can demonstrate the link between the disparate threads of the parchments, saint sulpice, poussin etc. He can".

So can I, and I know many others can too. However, demonstrating these links tends to result in many different conclusions - but, annoyingly, only one must be correct. I hope your 'absolute genius' will soon speak for himself on this forum rather than through an intermediary. He may well have 'solved the mystery', but going on past experience, I doubt it very much.

Yes, Sauniere had quite sophisticated camera equipment for his era but he had some other kit as well. He had discovered quite sufficient to pass the information on to now so we have all we need including most of what Poussin et alia had to pass on. Yes, it is complex. Yes.it is worth worth while. Yes it does relate to treasure as well.
Yes, it will be committed to writing so it doesn't get lost again.

Boudet certainly had sophisticated camera equipment too. The receipts exist.

If only the photos existed as well?
Regards
Nic

Roscoe, Have you put together that new website yet? We`ve been waiting forever for all your juicy tidbits of information.

I would be intrigued to know if Michel Vallet, Didier Héricart de Thury and Franck Daffos believe that the parchments that they have followed to find this cave were written by Antoine Bigou ?
The reason I say this, is they say that the correct painting was discovered by using a line in the small parchment, concluding that the painting by Teniers is in the Prado Museum in Spain.
The Prado Museum opened in November 1819, and as far as I can find it acquired this painting in 1822. Antoine Bigou died on 21st March 1794, therefore he cannot have included in the parchments a coded reference to the Prado museum ( unless he could predict the future ) !
Regards
Nic

Still doing it. I'm having a problem with the site providers at the moment I may have to move it to another provider. It's technical.

Nice point.

The arrival at the PRADO conclusion from the small (Dagobert) parchment is not so much Teniers as Tenuous. This parchment was altered by de Cherisey and there's little doubt about this. The shepherdess text says Shepherdess NO temptation. We are looking for a painting where Saint Anthony (the Hermit SAE ) is NOT being tempted. The fact that BOTH paintings mentioned are at Shugborough for me is significant. Especially since one has a coded message attached to it and the curious activities of Elizabeth Anson (nee Yorke) particularly in France.

With respect to Sougraigne, I'm still wondering how they managed to get the Menora down the hole, but more importantly I'm wondering why they (The Visigoths) stuffed it there anyway.

If I had a £1000 for everyone who over the last 30 years has leaped up and declared they'd solved this mystery I'd be able to personally irradicate the national debt crisis.

This is a nice article bringing some sanity at last.

You are absolutely right, Nic. Attributing dubious documents to Bigou or Saunière seems to be something of a cottage industry, and we must be very wary of such clai; esp.



Personally I find the whole Sougraigne story pretty tenuous. If we assume ...pas de tentation... not to refer to a certain armchair, then it must surely apply to a work of Teniers, or maybe both. I agree with you about the Shugborough/Elizabeth Yorke French connection. It's no coincidence.



Very true! It's a human weakness to make sweeping claims to have 'solved' mysteries. So many of us crave attention, and some have no scruples whatever over the methods they use, and will resort to fakery if necessary. We also have a continuous stream of academic arrogance to contend with - intent on 'debunking' anything that threatens their position. It is heresy to question the established dogma of academia - which sometimes turns out to be based on flimsy and unscientific methodology. The problem is compounded by purposeful disinformation orchestrated by 'professionals' - secret societies,intelligence agencies, etc. We must be ever vigilant for all these distractions.

I'm assuming the Sougraigne affair to be just another distraction (for now at least), and it may not be what it seems at all. There may have been no falling out between parties. It could all be staged. Why? Publicity? As a diversion from the true site? Who knows? - but it's fishy all the same. Time will tell...

Only too often, when subjected to scrutiny, these amateur 'solutions' evaporate like the morning dew. Many are embarrassingly naive, and some are thoroughly cranky, but their creators tend to be a thick-skinned, stubborn crowd. Each preaches their gospel and they all have their devoted but misguided followers. The Rennes affair attracts cranks like bees to nectar!