Please forgive the post and run. It was the last thing I did on the computer before we started a 4 day weekend.
I actually agonized over what to post for a week....the best I could come up with is asking "why?"
(I didn't know what to post after having found the information. Some of it is really 'out there' and initially upset me; I didn't want to say anything in anger that I might regret later or get green inked).
Just to put things into perspective for you, Nick Weir isn't what I'd call credible in any sense of the word. In the past he has claimed to be, in addition to a dragon, (a) an elf, (b) an hereditary witch king, and (c) a vampire. There are some other details which I can spell out for you in a private message if you'd like, but I'll warn you they're disturbing, disgusting and upsetting, so you may want to pass on that.
So, as to the conversation....
Lord Lir of Orkney? Who the bloody hell is THAT? And what could he mean by the "Plantagenet" Clan Donnachaid?
Good question. I tried searching for both terms last week and could find them only in the information written by Nick (posted on the internet, word for word, over and over again).
OK, and that most likely means that "Lord Lir" is another one of Nick's followers who he's adopted as his "kin".
Thank you for offering to share your private correspondence. I don't know if any of it would be relevant to my questions, but then again, I don't know what's in them. Let's see if we can figure out what they were up to without airing anyone's dirty laundry (unless we really have to).
It's not a pretty picture, so if you would just as soon not hear it that's fine, I don't blame you. Suffice it to say that Nick is a "bloodline" enthusiast, probably influenced more by Laurence Gardner's work (they co-wrote a book together but Nick got stiffed on the title credit and royalties) than by HBHG, but he's managed to work the latter into his production just the same. And David Icke plays an influential role as well. In short, Nick has made himself the penultimate heir of every pertinent bloodline, historical and mythical, and has set himself up as sort of a cult leader.
Your question about the Kindred of St. Columba includes information that I have never seen before....I thought Crinan was Columba's uncle (geesh, I'm only 500 years off)....gotta go look at some things again. Researching the Kindred reminds me of a Celtic Knot.
Okay, I wasn't 500 years off, I just got my names confused. Columba was given the Isle of Iona by his kinsman King Conall of Dalriada. I confused Conall and Crinan. So, before Crinan and probably before Columba, we have his kin ruling parts of Scotland.
Is Crinan a descendant of Conall?
Yes, according to the histories and legends Crinan was a descendant and member of the Cenél Conaill, the dynastic clan whose progenitor was Conall Gulban, son of Niall of the Nine Hostages. Conall was also Columba's great-grandfather, and when Columba referred to his "kindred" he spoke of all the descendants of Conall, and there were/are many different lines. The line from which Crinan sprang seems to have had precedence, however, because the hereditary abbacies of Iona and later Dunkeld (where Columba's relics were moved to after the Vikings sacked Iona) culminated in him (Crinan). Crinan married Bethoc, the daughter of Malcolm II (a descendant of the Cenél nGabraín, another dynastic clan that originated with King Fergus Mór of Dál Riata) and their son Duncan (Donnchad), as you know, succeeded his maternal grandfather as King Duncan I. Duncan's two elder sons (eventually) came to rule, as Malcolm III and Donald III; followed by Malcolm's sons when they switched from the traditonal way of selecting heirs, tanistry, to primogeniture. The third son of Duncan I, Máel Muire, Mormaer of Atholl, was the progenitor of the later Earls of Atholl through whom Clan Donnachaidh and Clan Robertson descends. I thought that perhaps the Abbacy of Dunkeld passed hereditarily through the line of Máel Muire but that doesn't seem to have been the case. Crinan was succeeded as lay abbot by his great-grandson Prince Ethelred, son of Malcolm III, who was the last of the hereditary abbots (Dunkeld was re-organized as a bishopric after Ethelred's death, which ended the hereditary lay abbacy).
So, anyway, my curiosity stems from whether Clan Donnachaidh considers itself to be "the" Kindred of Saint Columba (to the exclusion of all other descendants) or simply part of the Kindred, like all the others. I'm not finding definite answers either way.