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They operated credit lines, Sandy.

Who did? Which Templars? Name them?

Powerful and important people were in debt to the Templars.

Im sure they were.
Tell me about them.

Cash was constantly moving throughout their network.

Tell me how that network worked? Names, positions, where did they store the money, who guarded it, who had control of it?
Who gave permissions?
How much money?

At the end of the summer of 1307, while Clement V was engaged in his detoxifying treatments, Philip the Fair's men organised a secret meeting between the Pope and Visitor General Perraud, who Clement admired and had sent on diplomatic missions. The Visitor General was responsible for supervising the Order throughout the West and had the greatest experience in its initiation rites, given that he often presided at them. Perraud confirmed to the Pope that the Templars practised a ritual that required new members to deny Christ and spit on the cross during their induction ceremony.

Families didn't join orders. I know the phrase "Templar families" gets thrown around a lot in pseudohistories and genre books, but while there were important lords who donated land and property to the order, there was no particular inclusionary benefit to their relatives. I suppose one could label the relatives of individual Templar knights as "Templar families" the way that the relatives of popes are called "Papal families", but to do so assumes a degree of loyalty and approval that shouldn't be taken for granted. Landed families of that period weren't always what I'd call "closely knit"...

TCP

Or maybe they were just Catholics and their persecution was related to other matters entirely, like their wealth and influence.

TCP

However, their oganization was based on ancient mystery schools.....pooling resources....different levels of enlightment, etc. etc.

Which is NOT catholic in origin.

Maybe they were faux catholics?

Maybe 'family' wasn't a good term.

Most people have someone they care about, and if that person was outside an order, that person 'may' be vulnerable.

During his inquest, the Pope [Clement V] discovered that the initiation ritual had been observed by the Temple for at least one hundred years

Continuing Frale:

A well-kept secret, it would seem...

But is Frale's point that this longevity rendered it somehow less "heretical"...?

There is much about the Templars that remains to be discovered [ ]. Research has given us new and exciting paths of investigation [ ]. This includes a special rite of the Passion of Christ celebrated on the evening of Holy Thursday, in commemoration of the Last Supper, in which the Templars probably received communion only in the form of wine, or the holy blood of Christ [ ], the drink of eternal life. This highly unusual ceremony has captured the attention of a number of specialists in Eastern liturgies and is being studied today thanks to the contributions of several Byzantine scholars of the Pontifical Oriental Institute in Rome [ ]. This practice was unknown to the Roman Church. It was unique to the Templars, who seem to have borrowed it from certain ancient popular religious traditions practised in the city of Jerusalem, perhaps as far back as the early Christian era [queue the Rev Butts ]. The ritual seems to be connected to the legend of the Holy Grail...The same consideration applies to the conjecture that the Templars were the custodians of the Shroud of Turin [ ]

And this, I can't resist. According to Frale:





edited to add - is that the sound of a bandwagon rolling

edited to add - is that the sound of a bandwagon rolling


No the backlash ...

How dare Frale .. Templars and the Holy Grail in the same sentence

There's got to be some sort of copyright infringement there.

SP,

Does Frale deal with the Templar involvement in the slaughter of the Languedocs?

Hotspurt asked:



No, she sticks religiously to their production of salami...