Jean-Luc Chaumeil

hotspur · **Joined:** 19 Feb 2011 12:02 pm **Posts:** 1451

Thinking about the Canaries reference some more, the eruption at Thera has been claimed by some to be the source of the Atlantis legend.

The Canaries and the Azores for that matter are volcanic - perhaps at one time they formed a contiguous volcanic arch which, like Thera, catastrophically erupted.

I'll have to check the detailed geology/geological history of the area.

hotspur · **Joined:** 19 Feb 2011 12:02 pm **Posts:** 1451

Bullshit or bullseye?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 255989.ece

hotspur · **Joined:** 19 Feb 2011 12:02 pm **Posts:** 1451

Plato said that Atlantis disappeared 9,000 years befre his time i.e. 11,000-12,000 years ago. This puts this event at the boundary of the Holocene and Pleistocene geological periods.

Volcanic activity in the Canary Islands region has been detected throughout the Holocene.

http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/region.cfm?rnum=1803

http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/region.cfm?rnum=1802

http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/region.cfm?rnum=1804

Huge landslides have also been recorded in the late Pleistocene - these could have been the source of tsunamis:

http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/region.cfm?rnum=1803

http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/ ... /25/10/879

There is also an ongoing threat of tsunamis related to volcanism in the Canary and adjoining island groups:

http://www.maine.gov/doc/nrimc/mgs/expl ... /jan05.htm

rain · **Posted:** 19 May 2011 12:41 pm

Hotspur, I don't know when you're going to run out of steam on this Atlantis kick you're on (get it run out of steam :lol:

) but I just wondering what link are you trying to make to the topic at hand i.e. can you define it in one sentence?

rain · **Posted:** 19 May 2011 1:30 pm

hotspur wrote:

paddy wrote:

["STEWARD: A handsome breed of horses was once the pride of Lanzarote. [...] But it’s on Plato that the best of our advertising is based. Without the wonderful publicity this great philosopher gave to the Canaries, no one would probably come here today. ‘We owe our birth,' says Plato, ‘to the exhaustion of a pair of horses, when one male and one female, fall on their sides and cause the chariot to topple over from where our soul descends and is incarnated.’ For this life is only a stopover in the spiral of time, a fabric of temporary horses. Fasten your seat-belts and stop smoking...”]

Paddy

Plato raised the notion Atlantis - his writings give the impression that it was located in the Atlantic ocean somewhere to the near west of Gibraltar.

Perhaps the reference to Canaries is a reference to the Canary Islands - which are located in the Atlantic ocean to the near west of Gibraltar.

Quote:

For instance what is Plato really trying to describe in Timaeus and Critias:?: -

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~matc/math5.ge ... unit6.html

Forming the Celestial Circles
After marking the strip into these intervals, the creator then cut it lengthwise into two strips that are placed at an angle to each other and formed into circles. These correspond to the celestial equator and the ecliptic, the start of an armillary sphere.

Slide 10-121: Armillary Sphere
Turner, Gerard. Antique Scientific Instruments. Dorset: Blandford, 1980. p. 61

Recall our quotation from Plato's Republic, where, in the Myth of Er he wrote,

". . . Upon each of its circles stood a siren who was carried round with its movements, uttering the concords of a single scale." [Republic p. 354]

This is the origin of the expression, Music of the Spheres.

hotspur · **Joined:** 19 Feb 2011 12:02 pm **Posts:** 1451

rain wrote:

Hotspur, I don't know when you're going to run out of steam on this Atlantis kick you're on (get it run out of steam :lol:

) but I just wondering what link are you trying to make to the topic at hand i.e. can you define it in one sentence?

Rain,

A text is being discussed which carries a reference to Plato and Canaries.

I'm just suggesting that this is a reference to Atlantis.

Maybe way off beam and also irrelevant to the topic - don't know - don't understand what the rest of the fuss is about anyway - the discussion seems to be all over the place - but I am seriously ignorant of these matters.

rain · **Posted:** 19 May 2011 10:14 pm

hotspur wrote:

rain wrote:

Hotspur, I don't know when you're going to run out of steam on this Atlantis kick you're on (get it run out of steam :lol:

) but I just wondering what link are you trying to make to the topic at hand i.e. can you define it in one sentence?

Rain,

A text is being discussed which carries a reference to Plato and Canaries.

I'm just suggesting that this is a reference to Atlantis.

Maybe way off beam and also irrelevant to the topic - don't know - don't understand what the rest of the fuss is about anyway - the discussion seems to be all over the place - but I am seriously ignorant of these matters.

The topic is not all over the place it's just hard to understand how they're all linked.

paddy · **Joined:** 01 Sep 2010 7:28 pm **Posts:** 165

hotspur wrote:

Rain,

A text is being discussed which carries a reference to Plato and Canaries.

I'm just suggesting that this is a reference to Atlantis.

Maybe way off beam and also irrelevant to the topic - don't know - don't understand what the rest of the fuss is about anyway - the discussion seems to be all over the place - but I am seriously ignorant of these matters.

Atlantis is relevant, but don't forget the decree of Louis XIII that mapmakers should show the Zero Meridian as running through the Canary Islands.

Paddy

hotspur · **Joined:** 19 Feb 2011 12:02 pm **Posts:** 1451

paddy wrote:

Atlantis is relevant, but don't forget the decree of Louis XIII that mapmakers should show the Zero Meridian as running through the Canary Islands.
Paddy

Thanks Paddy, that escaped my notice - but now I remember researching this some years ago.

paddy · **Joined:** 01 Sep 2010 7:28 pm **Posts:** 165

Roger wrote:

Quote:

Atlantis is relevant

To what? To the Prieure de Sion? How so?

To “Circuit”. And to being able to smile at the Steward's remark, “Without the wonderful publicity [Plato] gave to the Canaries, no one would probably come here today.”

I’ll leave out of the frame Paul Le Cour, “le philosophe d’Atlantis”, as Anne Hisler calls him.

Paddy

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Hi,

Although I'd guess that Hotair was originally posting about Atlantis in an attempt to disrupt the thread (think 'salami' and his 'devil's advocacy' on the 'Sammy Binliner' thread), wasn't there also an A...G.../Atlantis connection? :!:

Regards,

Spartacus

rain · **Posted:** 20 May 2011 3:55 pm

paddy wrote:

Roger wrote:

Quote:

Atlantis is relevant

To what? To the Prieure de Sion? How so?

To “Circuit”. And to being able to smile at the Steward's remark, “Without the wonderful publicity [Plato] gave to the Canaries, no one would probably come here today.”

I’ll leave out of the frame Paul Le Cour, “le philosophe d’Atlantis”, as Anne Hisler calls him.

Paddy

They are two different things and if you get into the Atlantis :arrow:

Pacific argument it's highly politicised, not a pretty picture and very murky it would be hard to delineate between pure philosophy and historical spin for the political presidia.

Plato and his identification with the zero meridian of the Canaries is valid in kind, I was just trying to get Hotspur to limit his examination to that area.

I was hoping that the Armillary Sphere would spark someone's memory on the divisions of the globe and the "vertical meridians", so they would understand how the temples were actually mapped.

rain · **Posted:** 20 May 2011 4:31 pm

Caelum wrote:

Paddy wrote:

“What a fire-engine was doing in the middle of the countryside at that hour, what emergency had brought that Ark of the Covenant out of the Tent of Meeting, we will never know. The newspapers made no reference to it. The fact remains that on two occasions the 2 CV crossed over the yellow line, which turned electric blue. It struck a humpback [hogsback], breaking Roseline’s back, bounced on this springboard, and turned across country.”

Paddy

Does anyone have any thoughts about the color change reference here? Great thread by the way - thanks to all involved.

What do you think it means, Caelum? For instance what do you know about the Ark and what is supposedly kept in the Ark of the Covenant? For instance do you remember that the tablets of moses, The ten commandment were supposed to be written on Sapphire? Or Aaron's rod? Or the mercy seat?
And it's not just blue, it's "electric blue."

rain · **Posted:** 20 May 2011 4:35 pm

BULLDOGNIC wrote:

The "Le bon roi Dagobert" reminds me lots of "le serpent rouge". Some parts read like directions? Regarding what Sheila mentions above about

Quote:

see how time is running backwards..he needs to wake her up to administer the sleeping draught.

pain-pont-pain-pont....before the accident remember.

and the date i posted yesterday was when Charlot & Anne had yet to get their driving licenses.

Fête de la Transfiguration...past - present - future...all in a moment of eternity.

This line is intriguing.
"Le bon roi Dagobert
A mis sa culotte à l'envers ;"
Other parts that seem like some kind of directions include:-
"Votre Majesté
Est bien écourtée.
C'est vrai, lui dit le roi,
Fais-le rallonger de deux doigts."
"La corne au milieu"
"Chassait dans la plaine d'Anvers ;"
"C'est vrai, lui dit le roi,
Mets-toi bien vite devant moi."
"Voyager si loin
Donne du tintouin.
C'est vrai, lui dit le roi,
Il vaudrait mieux rester chez soi."
"Voulait s'embarquer pour la mer ;"
"Quand tu es gris, marches-tu droit ?"
"Je crois bien, ma foi
Que vous irez tout droit."
These are a few of the lines that I mean but I could be way off the mark so if someone knows the meaning of this allegory please enlighten us. I also find this interesting :-
"La reine l'a bien plus noire que moi."
Again, shades of Le Serpent Rouge's "white queen" which I always thought points to the areas around RLC/RLB and the Forêt Noire / Forêt de la Comtesse.
Regards
Nic

It's an anti-monarchist "ditty" so it's more about the tools of power. And it's been expanded several times so in it's original form (from what I can gather) it was only 5 verses or 7 verses or both.

lovuian · **Posted:** 20 May 2011 5:46 pm

Paddy

Quote:

To “Circuit”. And to being able to smile at the Steward's remark, “Without the wonderful publicity [Plato] gave to the Canaries, no one would probably come here today.”

I’ll leave out of the frame Paul Le Cour, “le philosophe d’Atlantis”, as Anne Hisler calls him.

Paddy

Many Acadiens came from the Canairies and that was their port before they came to the Louisiane territory

Atlantis was also talked about by Edgar Cayce :wink:

Caelum · **Posted:** 20 May 2011 7:55 pm

rain wrote:

Caelum wrote:

Paddy wrote:

“What a fire-engine was doing in the middle of the countryside at that hour, what emergency had brought that Ark of the Covenant out of the Tent of Meeting, we will never know. The newspapers made no reference to it. The fact remains that on two occasions the 2 CV crossed over the yellow line, which turned electric blue. It struck a humpback [hogsback], breaking Roseline’s back, bounced on this springboard, and turned across country.”

Paddy

Does anyone have any thoughts about the color change reference here? Great thread by the way - thanks to all involved.

What do you think it means, Caelum? For instance what do you know about the Ark and what is supposedly kept in the Ark of the Covenant? For instance do you remember that the tablets of moses, The ten commandment were supposed to be written on Sapphire? Or Aaron's rod? Or the mercy seat?
And it's not just blue, it's "electric blue."

I have no idea, that's why I asked. The thing that immediately comes to mind is lightning/electricity.

hotspur · **Joined:** 19 Feb 2011 12:02 pm **Posts:** 1451

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Hi,

Although I'd guess that Hotair was originally posting about Atlantis in an attempt to disrupt the thread (think 'salami' and his 'devil's advocacy' on the 'Sammy Binliner' thread), wasn't there also an A...G.../Atlantis connection? :!:

Regards,

Spartacus

Sp,

Do you have a bowl of presumption for breakfast everday? You never miss an opportunity for fuzzy thinking.

lovuian · **Posted:** 21 May 2011 2:42 am

Roger

Quote:

You'd better break out a map and look at what you just said!
Why would Quebecois sail down to the Canaries, if they wanted to go to Louisiana?
Just taking the scenic route? :shock:

When it comes to the Acadians and Cajuns
Rodger your out of your depth
Let me educate you
read the link and it will explain
http://www.acadian-cajun.com/canary.htm

another link
http://www.acadian-cajun.com/hiscaj2e.htm

I was suprised too until I researched and visited an Acadian settlement
It was pretty fascinating
its written in Immigration routes of the Acadians
I've researched it have you?

lovuian · **Posted:** 21 May 2011 4:48 am

Rodger

Quote:

I'm sorry, I suffer from 100% accurate reading comprehension... Therefore, I can't pretend, as you do, that these people were Acadians.

Maybe you should read it 5 or 6 times more, and see if you can figure out where you went wrong?

now that is unbecoming of you Rodger

They came from the Canaries :roll:

about 1000 of them and settled in Louisiana which they mingled with the french of Nova Scotia ...who escaped the Expulsion ....and had babies called Cajuns

You may not think they are Acadians but they do :roll:

You would have been proud Rodger of how they kept their culture
all the research at the facility was dual language English/French
unless your have a grudge against them?

:shock:

lovuian · **Posted:** 21 May 2011 7:41 pm

I'm going to get back to the topic :roll:

Quote:

To “Circuit”. And to being able to smile at the Steward's remark, “Without the wonderful publicity [Plato] gave to the Canaries, no one would probably come here today.”

Quote:

paddy wrote:
Atlantis is relevant, but don't forget the decree of Louis XIII that mapmakers should show the Zero Meridian as running through the Canary Islands.
Paddy

so the 1000 from the Canary Islands ....from the zero Meridian ...the area where Atlantis might have been according to Plato...maybe the people knew about the legend

Since the late 1600s, Spain had encouraged the Canary Islanders to move to the Caribbean colonies. After Spain acquired Louisiana in 1762, it recognized the need to populate the territory. When the Revolutionary War brought the English in conflict with the American colonies, Spain recognized the danger from possible English hostilities in Louisiana. On August 15, 1777, Spain ordered a second battalion be formed in Louisiana. It looked to the Canary Islands for 700 recruits. It tried to get married recruits so that they could not only defend the area, but also populate it. [Din, p. 15]

these people lived on the Canary Islands and if there were legends and myths concerning Atlantis perhaps these myths traveled with them ....they lived there and chose to live in Louisiana

I think the name Steward adds to the mix...Steward Stewart Stuart
They acquired lands in England after the Norman conquest, and moved to Scotland with many other Anglo-Norman families when David I ascended to the throne of Scotland. The family was granted extensive estates in Renfrewshire and in East Lothian and the office of High Steward of Scotland was made hereditary in the family.

I believe there was some Scots of the family Stewart that lived in Nova Scotia

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Lov wrote:

Quote:

I'm going to get back to the topic

Ummm... Isn't the topic Jean-Luc Chaumeil? :roll:

lovuian · **Posted:** 22 May 2011 9:11 pm

you guys are such a hoot

and I admit sometimes I wander :oops:

You know what is really sad
Is the area I visited Saint Martinville LA is being flooded by the Army Corps of Engineers to save New Orleans and Baton Rouge

I was fortunate to be there before it flooded so sad for the families there

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Hi,

I wanted to return to something that was brought up earlier by Roscoe regarding Chaumeil.
Is it just me or does Chaumeil seem like a very odd choice as 'expert' witness on the OTS?

The OTS is generally viewed as a 'contactee' cult. If Chaumeil also believed in ETs...does he seem like an odd choice of 'expert'...

Anyone any comments?

Regards,

Spartacus

BULLDOGNIC · **Joined:** 24 Apr 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1879

Hi Spartacus,
I may have this wrong, but wasn't J-L C a one time member of the OTS, which is why he is classed as a witness? Biased though, I have no idea ?
Regards
Nic

rain · **Posted:** 25 May 2011 9:34 pm

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Hi,

I wanted to return to something that was brought up earlier by Roscoe regarding Chaumeil.
Is it just me or does Chaumeil seem like a very odd choice as 'expert' witness on the OTS?

The OTS is generally viewed as a 'contactee' cult. If Chaumeil also believed in ETs...does he seem like an odd choice of 'expert'...

Anyone any comments?

Regards,

Spartacus

There's a relevant article in NEXUS March 2011 called "The knights of the Extreme Right" that gives a summation and includes information about Order of the Solar Temple. It was written by Philip Coppens.

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