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Thanks RS
I definitely get your point and I'll correct my article...I'll just say Freemasonry


that covers a bunch
RS do you know why the AAR called it
"Ecossais" lodge (Scots Masters Lodge}

why?
and the candidates must hold Freemason degrees
why? then if they hold Freemason degrees ....therefore they are Freemasons
So they are Freemasons participating in the French Rite of Perfection ...which is called to the public
The Scottish Rite Freemasonry
So RS are you saying the French Rite of Perfection ...is the true name when they named it the Scottish Rite of Perfection

Rosslyn is a Scottish Episcopal Church
interestingly the Episcopal church heraldry
has the cross crosslet in it


this is important to America because during the Revolution ... the King of England was head of the Anglican church so one was suppose to swear and oath to the King

Royalists had no problem but revolutionaries looked to the Scottish Episcopal church who did not demand the oath
Seabury took his oath in Scotland ...so that allowed the church to continue here

the cross crosslet is on the consecration stones at Rosslyn

Hi,

According to Chaumeil, Pierre Plantard was ‘fundamentally and strategically’ driven by:



To support these claims Chaumeil quotes from a 1943 Vaincre piece attributed to Moncharville but supposedly written by Plantard himself. Yet this piece came over a decade before Plantard created the 1956 Priory of Sion, which was supposedly a traditionalist Catholic lay order. The claim that Plantard was anti-Catholic seems to be a central plank of Chaumeil’s ‘reasoning’, yet it seems unsupported by the evidence.

Regards,

Spartacus

The Scottish Episcopal Church is a member of the Anglican family of churches.

Despite Presbyterianism being the established religion since the Reformation occurred in Scotland in 1560 (especially in the Lowlands), the Stuart monarchs tried time and again to force episcopacy on the Scottish people. This led to the signing of the National Covenant in 1638, and ultimately wars between the King and the Covenanters, this was only really settled when James VII & II (ironically a Catholic) was replaced by William of Orange and Mary in 1689.

A curious thing though, most religious warfare in Scotland hasn't been between Catholics and Protestants but rather between Episcopalian Protestants and Presbyterian Protestants.

Good point Pilrig


French Huguenot cross


Barred by the government from settling in New France, many Huguenots sailed to North America and settled instead in the Dutch colony of New Netherland (later incorporated into New York and New Jersey); as well as Great Britain's colonies, including Nova Scotia. A number of New Amsterdam's families were of Huguenot origin, often having emigrated as refugees to the Netherlands in the previous century. In 1628 the Huguenots established a congregation as L'Église française à la Nouvelle-Amsterdam (the French church in New Amsterdam). This parish continues today as L'Eglise du Saint-Esprit, part of the Episcopal (Anglican) communion, and welcoming Francophone New Yorkers from all over the world. Services are conducted in French for a Francophone parish community, and members of the Huguenot Society of America.

In the early years, many Huguenots also settled in the area of present-day Charleston, South Carolina. In 1685, Rev. Elie Prioleau from the town of Pons in France was among the first to settle there. He became pastor of the first Huguenot church in North America in that city. The French Huguenot Church of Charleston, which remains independent, is the oldest continuously active Huguenot congregation in the United States. Founded in 1628, L'Eglise du Saint-Esprit in New York is older, but it left the French Reformed movement in 1804 to become part of the Episcopal Church.

200,000 Huguenots left France
but their cross is similar to
similar to Raymond of Toulouse's cross

Hi,

Roger wrote:



True enough, and not just in France. My own mother was a devout Catholic who nevertheless disliked both priests and nuns. However, Chaumeil claims that Plantard was specifically anti-Catholic because he failed to make the grade as a sexton. Or at least that what I think Chaumeil is claiming. Much of his writing is IMHO difficult to follow.

Wouldn’t it be fair to say that if Plantard was a devout Gaullist and/or monarchist he was most likely also a devout Catholic (or devout traditionalist Catholic)?

Regards,

Spartacus

Hi,

Roger wrote:



Thanks for the explanation. I think when the above process is also coupled with poor translating it can sometimes become very difficult to understand.

Roger wrote:



Thanks again. That’s the conclusion I was coming to, but I thought perhaps I was misunderstanding him in some way.

Regards,

Spartacus

Roger

Yes things are not black and white...they are grey

Pity Tony Robinson didn't when he interviewed Chaumeil for that DVC documentary a couple of years back.

Never mind Jean-Luc, I've bought your new book !

Hi,

It is certainly unfortunate that so many translations seem to be attempts at direct literal translation, rather than a simple translation of meaning. Gibberish would indeed be an appropriate description in many cases!

Nevertheless, I have found Chaumeil's recent English language release very interesting. As I've mentioned previously, the book presents the Sion mysteries as 'created' by the original jokers. It would seem fair to say that what is presented is what was intended before the intervention of the 'Grail trio' and all the subsequent 'blowback'.

I found it interesting that Chaumeil reports, by way of his translation of 'Stone and Paper', that the reference to 'At Midday' in the so-called Coded Parchment is actually a reference to conquering middle age. The Sion version of a mid-life crisis I think, but perhaps I've misunderstood the gibberish in this instance!

Regards,

Spartacus

Hi,

Roger wrote:



Good point. I’ll keep that in mind.

Chaumeil’s rendering of Stone and Paper translates the Coded Parchment as:



And describes it thus:



Gnosis? Or Gibberish?

Regards,

Spartacus

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Including, I presume, the parchments with de Cherisey's "confession" in red ink, which Chaumeil displayed on the "History of a Mystery" documentary ?

As I was trying to suggest with
At viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3399
This is of course just hearsay
Regards
Nic

Just in case anyone thinks that Jean Luc Chaumeil is worth listening to then here are his very words.



Yes Chaumeil was told by the "big Alien" running the planet to keep Cherisey's Pierre et Papier for twenty years. (except he didn't, he couldn't keep his mouth shut)

And he's the one that's always wheeled out in all of the TV hit pieces as the chief debunker.

It's a funny old world N'est-ce Pas?



Chaumeil is a peddler of nonsense. He threatened to sue me, I'm still waiting.

Hi Roger,

Roger wrote:



‘Amedee’ being Chérisey, and ‘Alien Grand Monarch’ being Plantard...am I right?

Regards,

Spartacus

Le temps et les O V N I by Jean-Luc Chaumeil
I take it you know what an O V N I is.

Not only do I know the French language but I know what's right and what isn't in this game. And that utter tripe currently polluting the Rennes le Chateau section is so transparent it's boring.

Shall we discuss it Gungadin? Are you up for it? Or are you destined to crawl back under your rock, having got spanked once again?

You know Roger
I am not surprised at Chaumiels Ovni infatuation

I think UFO's are part of this but that is just an opinion

It ain't me that's running away, it's you. You know that you don't have a single shred of evidence to back up your ascertions. Hence the bluffing attempt here and the obvious irritation you have for being challenged continuously to reveal what you know. Or should I say what you THINK you know. You're irritated because you simply cannot do it and it's becoming very very obvious now.

You tell me about my understanding of French but your comprehension of English needs some attention. He calls Plantard the Grand Monarque Extraterrestre because Chaumeil thinks that Royalty are of extraterrestial origin. Did you read his book Le Temps et les OVNI?

Are you trying to tell me that de Cherisey left it to Chaumeil to release Pierre et Papier in twenty years after his death because he quarrelled with Plantard? They were writing to each other for goodness sake, we have the letters.

Who puts together a 45 page document explaining that he [de Cherisey] concocted the whole thing? A simple "I done it" would suffice, not 45 pages of drivel. But we know what that was, that was de Cherisey's attempt to decipher the text. Wrong as it happens. Cherisey didn't know the decoding method correctly. No explanation of the term AD GENESARETH, the twelve letters that must be removed before decoding. Chaumeil only realised that this phrase was actually there after I told him, de Cherisey had said nothing about this in Pierre et Papier. No explanation by de Cherisey of REX MUNDI (the small letters), no explanation of PANIS SALS and no explanation of the other phrase that is embedded in the shepherdess parchment. Chaumeil even admits that de Cherisey mixed up the two parchments. Lincoln saw Pierre et Papier just before de Cherisey died and de Cherisey explained that it was "amusement for the laity", the laity in this case being Jean Luc Chaumeil whom we know he hated. You have to remember that Chaumeil had asked to join the Prieure de Sion (Plantard and de Cherisey) and was refused.

Tell me about the burglary, who is the "journalist and part time singer" Roger? Tell me about the time when Chaumeil and de Sede jointly tried to sell fake documents to Lincoln and the BBC. Chaumeil is a known and proven peddler of fake documents, he also testified in the case of the Children of God suicides. It's very likely that Chaumeil is a disinformation agent for some security agency, I don't know this for sure but I have this tag against him as a possible.

Here's an interesting article.



So Jean Luc Chaumeil is called upon to testify in a mass suicide case. ABGRALL and Chaumeil both defended the authorities against accusations that the authorities were involved in these deaths. Here's the bio of ABGRALL



You are reminded that the Order of the Solar Temple tried to buy the Villa Bethania.


Sprayed on the side of the Marie at Rennes les Bains
OTS - Ordre du Temple Solaire
The founder of the Ordre du Temple Solaire has links to Gladio.


JF Mayer quoting his association with Luc Jouret - co-founder of the OTS



Luc Jouret was a homeopathic doctor who established in 1982 a practice in Annemasse, the district of Geneva where the Prieure de Sion was first established previously in 1956.

Princess Grace of Monaco was alleged by Guy Mouyrin to have been a member of the Order of the Solar Temple.



December 22nd is during the winter solstice and is the date in the year that Dagobert II was murdered.

Why is Chaumeil being called upon to testify as a judicary expert on the OTS cult? Who does Chaumeil work for?

Disinformation agent
is a very good description

So Plantard was special because he had ET blood royal

He calls Plantard the Grand Monarque Extraterrestre because Chaumeil thinks that Royalty are of extraterrestial origin.

Merovingian maybe out of this world bloodline

That's is definately what some people believe. Including Gerard de Sede.

Luc Jouret (18 October 1947–5 October 1994), born in Kikwit, Belgian Congo, was a Belgian religious group leader in Switzerland

Following his time in the army, he began a formal study of homeopathy (a very popular form of medical treatment in French-speaking Europe) and emerged as a homeopathic physician. He traveled widely studying various forms of alternative and spiritual healing. At the beginning of the 1980s he settled in Annemasse, France, not far from the Swiss border. He continued to lecture widely on holistic health and the paranormal and invited those who responded to him into Amenta Club (later renamed the Atlanta Club).

Jean Luc Chaumeil, a man who thinks Aliens run the planet.

Its interesting they thought the Merovingian blood line extraterrestrial
the legend of the child with two fathers...one of whom was a mysterious sea creature (fish) Merovee

the Merovingians seem to mimic the long haired Jewish kings = Nazarites


There are only three Nazarites for life mentioned by allusion to the hair cutting vow, or specifically in the Bible. These are the Judges Samson and Samuel (Old Testament), and John the Baptist (New Testament). But there are more. In truth, there was a core group that were also Nazarites for life. These were some of the men who were known as the prophets. We are told that Elijah is "a hairy man", and that his spiritual heir Elisha is bald -- as if he had once separated himself from the Nazarites. Jesus was also a Nazarite from birth, but some clever soul changed the wording a bit and made him "the Nazarene" -- a man of Nazareth...which, as a city did not exist at the time of Jesus's birth on the Roman tax rolls. This is an effort to mask this fact.

hmmmm

there is this note in the Bible about Noah
And his body was white as snow and red as a rose; the hair of his head as white as wool and his long curly hair beautiful....And his father, Lamech, was afraid of him and fled and went to Methuselah his father; and he said to him, "I have begotten a strange son. He is not like an ordinary human being, but he looks like the children of the angels of heaven to me, his form is different and he is not like us... [The Book of Noah]

http://www.semjaaza.com/seven/nazarites.html

He's one of those fellows who can't abide the notion that any female anywhere isn't mad with desire for him. It makes for a strained social life.

LOL.
I dont know how i missed this

I was told about Chaumeils involvement with Plantard and de Cherisey in this manner: 'He was always outside, with his nose pressed up against the glass, trying to get in ...'

Funnily enough, that mental image has always stayed with me

And now it'll stay with me, Thanks.

Hi Everybody,

I'm going to bring this back up again, as I think it is worth figuring out. No one bothered answering the last time I brought it up. I'm unsure whether that is because NOBODY knows the answer, or because EVERYBODY except me knows the answer

It is commonly reported (particularly by Sion sceptics) that André Bonhomme was interviewed for the 1996 BBC Timewatch programme ‘The History of a Mystery’, where he supposedly roundly 'debunked' the Priory of Sion (Boy Scouts and all that). However no reference is made to Bonhomme during any version of that show that I have seen at least. A very minor reference is made to a founding member who claimed that the Priory was named for the nearby Mount Sion.

Has anyone (please, come on, be nice) seen a version of 'History of a Mystery' where Bonhomme is interviewed and makes the Boy Scout claim?

Surely this is worth examining? Or if it already has been examined, please put me out of my misery and point me in the general direction of that examination!

Could people even confirm that they watched 'History of a Mystery' but DIDN'T see the supposed interview with Bonhomme?

Regards,

Spartacus

Have just found and watched again my tape of "History of a Mystery".

Regret/confirm that I saw no sign of M. Bonhomme, unless I blinked.



Paddy

Hi Paddy,

Paddy wrote:



Thank you for taking the time to confirm my 'suspicions'. So is this another one of those 'well known facts' about the Priory of Sion that is NOT actually a fact at all.

For example at:

http://www.christianmonthlystandard.com/index.php/the-da-vinci-code-sorting-fact-from-fiction-2/

...one can read that:



Perhaps I'm missing something...anyone anything to add?

Of course this tale is repeated over and over, particularly by the Sion sceptics. Might it be worth trying to figure out were it came from?!

This story used to appear on a certain website, but since I began questioning its accuracy, the website has changed. I'm not saying that is because of my questions, but...

I'd be very interested in any comments...Come on...join in!

Regards,

Spartacus