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Is this a PoS document? Is it taken from the Crista design?

Well as The Crista is completely a 21st Century invention created wholly to get onto the post Da Vinci Code Band Wagon and without a single shred of evidence let alone proof then the answer to your question is

If you say so. Whatever.

Fill yer boots darlin'

What I object to is this utter crap swamping and polluting dicussion on this section of the forum.

What about the maze, Roscoe?

Well, at last we know your take on the Crista,

watch your mouth when you`re talking to women.

I`ve had to say that to forum members twice in 2 days.

In the spirit of arcane artifacts, here is a crystal skull as a segway

to an ad for Dan Ackroyd`s new brand of vodka called "Skull". The designer

of the bottle used the crystal skull as a model - it`s a bottle worth saving! A

crystal skull in glass.

To Roscoe for Winter Solstice wishes for your holiday

from the Crista Crew - get lost.

Getting back to the subject, now where were we?

Is this a Templar Cross?

It's a patonce cross encircled. The Templars aren't known to have ever used one like it. it's a nice one, however. Where did you find it?

TCP

Latimer`s Arms - a Cross Patonce in Gules. Do the shells denote Santiago de Compostela?

As for where I found the metal version, I was looking for a relic and found that. I`ll try to find it again.

Actually that's a Cross Patonce Or on Gules. Gules is red, Or is gold. A gold cross on a red field.

Santiago de Compostela - could be, but not necessarily.

TCP

I guess you people aren't familiar with the 23.5 degree theory.

Does this remind anyone of the Crista? It is intwined and somewhat similar.

Thanks TCP, of course, it`s ON gules. So the shells could mean something else?

It reminds me of the P - S (P to the S) sign




entwined with the Fleur de Lys all entwinted with the Sigil for the Astrological sign for Pisces.





The Age that we are in (or if you're French, were in) No great powers there.

Your point please?

Actually that's the Occitan flag.



With the Saint James of the Star Field (Santiago de Compostella in Galicia) shells on it.

Modelled from a sundial




The winter solstice marker

23.5 degrees - The tilt angle of the earth.

By this sigh you will conquer the Lord of the Earth. (or as the Cathars called him - Rex Mundi)

Occitan - The language of the Troubadours.

May I take this oppotunity to wish everyone a happy YULETIDE celebration. Don't forget the Holly and the Mistletoe.

Have a flagon of Wassail on me and don't forget to sing. And if the weather is good perhaps a mid-winter tour of Wassail country.

Don't worry on the 22nd December the sun will only appear to die for three days (stops it's nightly movement south) on the 25th December it will be resurrected and begin to travel north again on each successive sunset position. Yes 25th December is the Sun's re-birthday.

Long live the saviour from darkness.


Jesus with his unique halo. Known as the Bolger Cross. And Mary with her unique halo. Mari-Dyeu (Meridienne). Love her two folds of hare.

Oh and don't forget to think about the Hare


The Moon gazers and their oil

as Boudet told us:



“lever un lièvre”

I am not a pagan any more than anyone who writes about Hitler is a Nazi.

However I do like the YULETIDE celebrations.

The reason for the season.

Religion for me is OVER

Offended? Tough! I'm offended about the abuse of children and the offenders being protected. I'm offended about being friendly with a dictator and former Hitler Youth member. Deal with it.

Actually, it's not. The Cross of Toulouse is a cross clechy, voided, and pommeted Or. Significantly different from a cross patonce which isn't voided or pommeted, But I wouldn't expect you to notice or understand the difference or significance, Roscoe.

As to whether or not the shells represent Santiago, I should point out that there is a Cross of Santiago (cross flory fitchy Gules) which might have been used instead of the cross patonce gules if the intention of the blazon was to draw attention to Santiago.



TCP

The three day interval between the solstice and Dec. 25 is due to the Council of Nicaea and Pope Gregory XIII.

In 46 BCE, before Caesar's calendar reform the official date of the Winter Solstice was Dec. 25 but the actual event was happening 67 days later (in March). He returned the Solstices and Equinoxes to their traditional dates of the 24ths and 25ths of their respected months by adding two months, totaling 67 days, to the calendar that year.

But the system wasn't perfect. When the 1st Council of Nicaea met in 325 CE the Vernal Equinox, which they used to determine the date of Easter, was happening on March 21 so that day was adopted as the official Catholic date for the Equinox. Celebrations of conceptions and births of Jesus and John the Baptist remained on the 24ths and 25ths,

When Pope Gregory XIII took office the Vernal Equinox was occurring on March 11. Gregory subtracted 10 days from the year 1582 to reset the Solstices and Equinoxes to the Nicaean dates.

On the Pre-Christian Roman Calendar the sun would ideally appear to “die” on Dec 25 and its "re-birthday" would have been on the 28th.

Father Silence

You mean there's only three days between Easter and Christmas? Oy vey...

TCP

I was referring to the Pre-Christian calendar and to Roscoe's assessment of the 22nd being the day when the Sun would appear to die and the 25th being the day of rebirth. I think he may be basing this on Acharya S.

FS

And while we're at it: on the Christian calendar the relevant interval would be between Jesus' death (just before sunset on Friday) and the discovery of the empty tomb at dawn on Sunday. The implication is that Jesus remained in the tomb for approximately the duration of the Sabbath. (The Gospel of the Hebrews apparently has Jesus making a night visit to his brother James before appearing to the female disciples.) "On the third day" is an old way of saying "day after tomorrow".

FS

Oh yes it is. Well it is the season for it.

I have no problem with that. But here's a FACT.

Prior to December 22nd (this year) the sun will set over a more southerly position on each day. On December 22nd it will reach a point where it will appear to stop travelling south. It will set in the same spot on the 23rd and the same spot on the 24th. However on the 25th it will set at a point north of the point on the 24th. And each subsequent day it will set further north until on the Summer Solstice (literally the Summer Sun Stop) it will stop again for three days and then start to move south again.

This is the Celtic solar year.

The Summer Solstice is of course June 21st it starts to move again on the 24th June - the Feast Day of John the Baptist.

Jesus and John the Baptist are the only two biblical characters that have their feast days on their birthdays.

The statue of Jesus and John the Baptist in the church at Rennes le Chateau (opposite as you walk in the door) has the symbols for ALPHA and OMEGA on the plinth that these stand on. i.e. The beginning (Jesus birth day) and the end (John birth day) of the Solar Year.

Almost nobody notices the ALPHA and OMEGA symbols. The staff held by John has a cross at 23.5 degrees - The tilt angle of the earth's rotational axis from the orbital plane. .

I'm basing it on what will happen this month.

I so love it when you humiliate yourself and you're not even aware of it!

TCP

Thanks for the clarification. I thought you might be paraphrasing this:



..which (as I've said before) ignores the fact that the Winter Solstice wasn't on Dec 22 until the 4th Century when the First Council of Nicaea started using the Vernal Equinox to calculate the celebration of Easter.

Father Silence