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 Post subject: Re: "The Portal"...Book Discussion
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thanks so much richard :-)

i will echo...'brilliant'.

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What kind of psychophysiological change might be occurrung within the Portal?

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Hi Paula. I think, as I said in the piece I wrote about the book, that it's very difficult to determine the exact type of experience that Patrice undergoes during her time on Canigou, and to discern the extent to which "something" happened, and the extent to which this was a result of the imagination, and indeed the power of suggestion from her guide. Which isn't to say at all that I doubt that she's being honest in her account, and to be fair, she entertains quite a few doubts about it all herself. It's more that one has to be a little sceptical about what happened up there, given that she is in a state of some exhaustion, from the exertion of hiking up the mountain; and of physical privation from having the sustenance of food and water rationed by her guide (deliberately so, to help put her into a receptive state); is forced to re-live painful events from her past; the dreams she is having during this period, and the effect they have upon her; everything that Liliane is telling her, throughout their journey together; and of course there's the way in which she is made to dig her own grave and get into it, which in itself sounds quite ghastly.

So I think one has to factor all that in, but given the vivid description she provides in the book, she clearly believes that there is something to all this, and I'm certainly very intrigued by it all.

So I don't really know the answer to your question, but it's a good question. :)


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You had to pick the hard question didn't you. :lol: What kind of psychophysiological change do you think happens Paula?

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What kind of psychophysiological change might be occurrung within the Portal?


Hi Paula. I think, as I said in the piece I wrote about the book, that it's very difficult to determine the exact type of experience that Patrice undergoes during her time on Canigou, and to discern the extent to which "something" happened, and the extent to which this was a result of the imagination, and indeed the power of suggestion from her guide. Which isn't to say at all that I doubt that she's being honest in her account, and to be fair, she entertains quite a few doubts about it all herself. It's more that one has to be a little sceptical about what happened up there, given that she is in a state of some exhaustion, from the exertion of hiking up the mountain; and of physical privation from having the sustenance of food and water rationed by her guide (deliberately so, to help put her into a receptive state); is forced to re-live painful events from her past; the dreams she is having during this period, and the effect they have upon her; everything that Liliane is telling her, throughout their journey together; and of course there's the way in which she is made to dig her own grave and get into it, which in itself sounds quite ghastly.

So I think one has to factor all that in, but given the vivid description she provides in the book, she clearly believes that there is something to all this, and I'm certainly very intrigued by it all.

So I don't really know the answer to your question, but it's a good question. :)


From the way I'm reading it Liliane's role as Patrice's guide is stimulating and invoking a psychological response and in turn the physiological and the natural evolution of this is Patrice's response such as timeshifting, facing her demons in her dreams. Liliane also reverses this process by inducing a physiological change (through food deprevation, altered states of conciousness through meditation, tasks such as question reality) to induce a psychological change.

to be continued....

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...and the tincture, don`t forget the tincture. There`s

a major portal in Uintah, Utah, but instead of the entry being

guarded by the Lady of the Cup, paranormal creatures abound.

One researcher using military infrared goggles saw the actual conduit

in the sky and a huge ET animal climbing out of it. The nature of the 2

portals is quite different. Someone should take some infrared goggles to Girona.

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What kind of psychophysiological change might be occurrung within the Portal?


Hi Paula. I think, as I said in the piece I wrote about the book, that it's very difficult to determine the exact type of experience that Patrice undergoes during her time on Canigou, and to discern the extent to which "something" happened, and the extent to which this was a result of the imagination, and indeed the power of suggestion from her guide. Which isn't to say at all that I doubt that she's being honest in her account, and to be fair, she entertains quite a few doubts about it all herself. It's more that one has to be a little sceptical about what happened up there, given that she is in a state of some exhaustion, from the exertion of hiking up the mountain; and of physical privation from having the sustenance of food and water rationed by her guide (deliberately so, to help put her into a receptive state); is forced to re-live painful events from her past; the dreams she is having during this period, and the effect they have upon her; everything that Liliane is telling her, throughout their journey together; and of course there's the way in which she is made to dig her own grave and get into it, which in itself sounds quite ghastly.

So I think one has to factor all that in, but given the vivid description she provides in the book, she clearly believes that there is something to all this, and I'm certainly very intrigued by it all.

So I don't really know the answer to your question, but it's a good question. :)


From the way I'm reading it Liliane's role as Patrice's guide is stimulating and invoking a psychological response and in turn the physiological and the natural evolution of this is Patrice's response such as timeshifting, facing her demons in her dreams. Liliane also reverses this process by inducing a physiological change (through food deprevation, altered states of conciousness through meditation, tasks such as question reality) to induce a psychological change.

to be continued....


and through sound...whatever the musical note was...some say it is not the F note...

so...i am thinking along these lines:
http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/p ... onics.html

i am also wondering where the transition point is between manifest reality and pure energy...is this what is happening within a "portal"? why is it so dangerous and why are some not able to experience it and live?

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and through sound...whatever the musical note was...some say it is not the F note...

so...i am thinking along these lines:
http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/p ... onics.html

Hi Paula, I'm not too sure about the theories that this website promotes. Their scientific explanations of the relative pitches ie:- musical notes to their frequency in Hz is quite correct. However to specify that a certain "note" can induce these feelings is not entirely true, as different timbres or tone of sounds will contain differing harmonic properties. For example a piano and a guitar both playing the same "note" will contain different frequency content ( this is why they sound different ). The only true way to use a sound to induce resonances within the body would be to use a pure Sine Wave at a certain Frequency. The famous "Brown Noise" is one such example of a low pitched Sine Wave resonating our internal organs ( sorry it's a bit disgusting ) :oops:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_note
We know that complex sounds such as orchestral instruments can make us feel in certain ways, by both resonating our bodies and on an emotional level. However to study, and be able to create such sounds to act on our bodies at will, is theoretically possible but the scientific calculations involved would be extremely complicated. To then link this to planetary movement I think is taking it a step too far. Again, some of the science explained is correct but what we would actually hear would be very far removed from the music that we listen to.
It's similar in some ways to the people who believe that because our bodies are made up of such a large percentage of water, that the lunar cycles of our moon will affect us because they affect the tides in the oceans !
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and through sound...whatever the musical note was...some say it is not the F note...

so...i am thinking along these lines:
http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/p ... onics.html

Hi Paula, I'm not too sure about the theories that this website promotes. Their scientific explanations of the relative pitches ie:- musical notes to their frequency in Hz is quite correct. However to specify that a certain "note" can induce these feelings is not entirely true, as different timbres or tone of sounds will contain differing harmonic properties. For example a piano and a guitar both playing the same "note" will contain different frequency content ( this is why they sound different ). The only true way to use a sound to induce resonances within the body would be to use a pure Sine Wave at a certain Frequency. The famous "Brown Noise" is one such example of a low pitched Sine Wave resonating our internal organs ( sorry it's a bit disgusting ) :oops:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_note
We know that complex sounds such as orchestral instruments can make us feel in certain ways, by both resonating our bodies and on an emotional level. However to study, and be able to create such sounds to act on our bodies at will, is theoretically possible but the scientific calculations involved would be extremely complicated. To then link this to planetary movement I think is taking it a step too far. Again, some of the science explained is correct but what we would actually hear would be very far removed from the music that we listen to.
It's similar in some ways to the people who believe that because our bodies are made up of such a large percentage of water, that the lunar cycles of our moon will affect us because they affect the tides in the oceans !
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I disagree with that to induce resonance in the body a pure sine wave is required as defined as - The sine wave or sinusoid is a mathematical function that describes a smooth repetitive oscillation. It occurs often in pure mathematics, as well as physics, signal processing, electrical engineering and many other fields.
In the case of brain entrainment two frequencies are required in which the seperate hemispheres of the brain calculate then follow the derived frequency.
The body may also respond and resonant to various wave concoctions that are not considered pure sine waves but harmonious.

Take for instance shamanic drumming and chanting which are not considered sine waves in their purest form but neverless create altered states of consciousness and change the pysiologolgy of the body such as the hormonal system - nervous system, etc... Harmonic sounds as opposed to sine waves may also trigger reduced cortisol production and increase gh production in the body.

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We know that complex sounds such as orchestral instruments can make us feel in certain ways, by both resonating our bodies and on an emotional level. However to study, and be able to create such sounds to act on our bodies at will, is theoretically possible but the scientific calculations involved would be extremely complicated. To then link this to planetary movement I think is taking it a step too far. Again, some of the science explained is correct but what we would actually hear would be very far removed from the music that we listen to.


Dr Jeffrey Thompson is one of the leading experts in the field of Neuro-acoutics his ongoing research shows how the body is able to respond in to non-linear acoustics by using combinations of sound files from various NASA missions. While you are probably correct in stating it is far removed from the music YOU listen to, it is very like the music I listen to. For instance the tibetan bowls and nature sounds that I listen to are very much like the sounds that can also be found in space.

http://www.neuroacoustic.com/nasa.html#Celestial Love Songs

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Dr. Thompson was invited to research the possible meaning and applications of the use of these NASA Space Sound Recordings from the planets in healing and their possible beneficial effects on the subconscious mind.

These sounds are recordings of the interaction of the Solar wind and the Ionosphere of each of the outer planets. The resonance of these ions is exactly within the range of human hearing (20-20,000 Hz) - called by NASA "Ion Acoustic Waves". This means that nothing had to be done artificially to the sounds to hear them – They were the REAL "Music of the Spheres". Although there is no air in space, there is vibration. Space does not have the medium of air to carry the vibration to your ear, but the vibration is present. With the specialized recording equipment aboard Voyager, it became possible to record these amazing sounds for the first time and then hear them here on Earth.

These sounds were remarkably similar to explorations Dr. Thompson had been making into what he called "Primordial Sounds” - sounds recorded from the human body, breath, heart, blood, organs, etc., as well as nature sound recordings all speeded up, slowed down, formatted to impact the subconscious mind in a positive manner. Human voice speech patterns speeded up by three times sounds amazingly similar to birds chirping, speeded by 8 times, it sounds like crickets, speeded more it sounds like dolphin squeaks and slowed down, like the ocean. Recordings of Nature sounds speeded up and slowed down, in turn, showed similar "primordially" recognizable properties: Crickets slowed down sounded like birds chirping, birds slowed down sounded like dolphins and dolphins slowed down sounded like people singing…

Imagine his amazement and that of all of us when we heard these NASA Space Sound recordings that sounded like dolphins, whales, ocean, crickets, choirs, Tibetan bowls and monks chanting! Something in the core of the subconscious awakens and pays close attention to and in the presence of these sounds. These are some of the most powerful tools for healing, inner awakening and self change that Dr. Thompson has researched and produced. His Primordial Sounds™ are found on his Audio Programs, giving even more power to his musical sounds and other techniques used.

There is a set of 12 Voyager I & II recordings of the planets and Rings of Saturn and Uranus. Part of the “Primordial Sounds” Series, these recordings cause a deep response of relaxation and subconscious release. You may well have an "astounding" experience in listening to the "Real Music of The Spheres.” It is like -- A Deep Call from Home. Many enjoy a “drug-free” trip to that place, wherever that place might be for the individual!

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was it not a singing bowl that was used with patrice?

with regards to the moon and the body...i can only relate that of the moon's influence on female cyclical patterns...

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was it not a singing bowl that was used with patrice?

with regards to the moon and the body...i can only relate that of the moon's influence on female cyclical patterns...


:?: I haven't finished so I can't comment on what Patrice used but different bowls produce different sounds and therefore the different responses.


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Trevor Mendham of wyrdology.com and Rain Grey of Boddhisattva Trading Company point out that quartz crystal singing bowls produce pure sine wave tones, while traditional metal bowls produce complex harmonic sounds. Advocates of crystal bowls say these pure sounds are associated with heavenly bodies and the yogic "chakra" system in the human body.

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was it not a singing bowl that was used with patrice?

with regards to the moon and the body...i can only relate that of the moon's influence on female cyclical patterns...


:?: I haven't finished so I can't comment on what Patrice used but different bowls produce different sounds and therefore the different responses.


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oops :oops: sorry to give that away...
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I disagree with that to induce resonance in the body a pure sine wave is required as defined as - The sine wave or sinusoid is a mathematical function that describes a smooth repetitive oscillation. It occurs often in pure mathematics, as well as physics, signal processing, electrical engineering and many other fields.
In the case of brain entrainment two frequencies are required in which the seperate hemispheres of the brain calculate then follow the derived frequency.
The body may also respond and resonant to various wave concoctions that are not considered pure sine waves but harmonious.

Take for instance shamanic drumming and chanting which are not considered sine waves in their purest form but neverless create altered states of consciousness and change the pysiologolgy of the body such as the hormonal system - nervous system, etc... Harmonic sounds as opposed to sine waves may also trigger reduced cortisol production and increase gh production in the body.

Fair enough Rain, I was maybe being a bit vague. When I said
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The only true way to use a sound to induce resonances within the body would be to use a pure Sine Wave at a certain Frequency.
I meant for the larger organs within the body rather than neurological functions or nervous systems. I also agree when you say
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Take for instance shamanic drumming and chanting which are not considered sine waves in their purest form but neverless create altered states of consciousness and change the pysiologolgy of the body such as the hormonal system - nervous system, etc... Harmonic sounds as opposed to sine waves may also trigger reduced cortisol production and increase gh production in the body.

Which is what I was trying to get across by saying
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We know that complex sounds such as orchestral instruments can make us feel in certain ways, by both resonating our bodies and on an emotional level.

Thanks for the link, I've had a look and a listen and yes I understand the theory behind how the sounds have been created, however I am still skeptical that just because they sound relaxing, there is any direct link to specific human body functions being affected. But hey that's just my opinion, New Age Healing is in it's early stages, and advanced psychoacoustics are still being experimented with ( especially when relating to sounds created by resonating ions from other planets ). I'm not saying it's not possible, just quite complex :) .
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There is no denying that most people find the strings in the film Psycho or Jaws tense, or Whale song etc relaxing, but that doesn't apply to everyone. From the site you linked
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Could the space sounds actually be Primordial Sounds, also – from outer space but strangely familiar to us?

and their disclaimer at the bottom
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Disclaimer: Nothing on this website is intended to diagnose, treat, or cure any medical condition of whatever nature, and shall not be construed as medical advice, implied or otherwise. Information on this site is intended to be for educational edification and use only.

More research needed I think, interesting non the less.
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I disagree with that to induce resonance in the body a pure sine wave is required as defined as - The sine wave or sinusoid is a mathematical function that describes a smooth repetitive oscillation. It occurs often in pure mathematics, as well as physics, signal processing, electrical engineering and many other fields.
In the case of brain entrainment two frequencies are required in which the seperate hemispheres of the brain calculate then follow the derived frequency.
The body may also respond and resonant to various wave concoctions that are not considered pure sine waves but harmonious.

Take for instance shamanic drumming and chanting which are not considered sine waves in their purest form but neverless create altered states of consciousness and change the pysiologolgy of the body such as the hormonal system - nervous system, etc... Harmonic sounds as opposed to sine waves may also trigger reduced cortisol production and increase gh production in the body.

Fair enough Rain, I was maybe being a bit vague. When I said
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The only true way to use a sound to induce resonances within the body would be to use a pure Sine Wave at a certain Frequency.
I meant for the larger organs within the body rather than neurological functions or nervous systems. I also agree when you say
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Take for instance shamanic drumming and chanting which are not considered sine waves in their purest form but neverless create altered states of consciousness and change the pysiologolgy of the body such as the hormonal system - nervous system, etc... Harmonic sounds as opposed to sine waves may also trigger reduced cortisol production and increase gh production in the body.

Which is what I was trying to get across by saying
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We know that complex sounds such as orchestral instruments can make us feel in certain ways, by both resonating our bodies and on an emotional level.

Thanks for the link, I've had a look and a listen and yes I understand the theory behind how the sounds have been created, however I am still skeptical that just because they sound relaxing, there is any direct link to specific human body functions being affected. But hey that's just my opinion, New Age Healing is in it's early stages, and advanced psychoacoustics are still being experimented with ( especially when relating to sounds created by resonating ions from other planets ). I'm not saying it's not possible, just quite complex :) .
Edited to add :-
There is no denying that most people find the strings in the film Psycho or Jaws tense, or Whale song etc relaxing, but that doesn't apply to everyone. From the site you linked
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Could the space sounds actually be Primordial Sounds, also – from outer space but strangely familiar to us?

and their disclaimer at the bottom
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Disclaimer: Nothing on this website is intended to diagnose, treat, or cure any medical condition of whatever nature, and shall not be construed as medical advice, implied or otherwise. Information on this site is intended to be for educational edification and use only.

More research needed I think, interesting non the less.
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I could be a smart-arse and say the Brain is a Major organ therefore I've already answered your question.
(The brain controls the other organ systems of the body, either by activating muscles or by causing secretion of chemicals such as hormones and neurotransmitters. This centralized control allows rapid and coordinated responses to changes in the environment. Some basic types of responsiveness are possible without a brain: even single-celled organisms may be capable of extracting information from the environment and acting in response to it)
and to be fair the website also includes this pilot study.


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A Pilot Study of EEG Entrainment
As a Sleep Aid

This was a study using Dr. Jeffrey D. Thompson, D.C., B.F.A.'s Delta Sleep System

Clinton J.G. Marquardt, Lisa L. Orr, Mary Perugini, Dragoljub Radonjic Sleep Disorders Centre,
Royal Ottawa Hospital, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


Introduction
An interest in the effectiveness of audio-stimulation in entraining the EEG to desired frequencies has developed in recent years1. The use of EEG entrainment as a therapeutic intervention for such disorders as bruxism2, myofascial pain-dysfunction syndrome2 and for stroke rehabilitation3 has proven beneficial. It was hypothesized that audio-stimulation may be used as a sleep aid for insomniacs. More specifically, audio-stimulation may be used to entrain the EEG of poor sleepers to demonstrate a higher incidence of the delta bandwidth thus increasing the quality of sleep.


Method
Eight chronic insomniacs without clinically significant sleep apnea and PLMs were polysomnographically monitored during their normal sleep phase. Audio-stimulation in the form of music was presented through two loud-speakers placed laterally, beside the head, and 45 cm from each ear. The volume of the music was set such that it did not exceed 60 decibels for more than 3 seconds since the mean subjective awakening threshold throughout sleep for psychophysiological insomniacs is 76.8 +/- 9.2 decibels4. The music employed as audio-stimulation was designed by Dr. J. Thompson5, to increase the incidence of delta EEG (0.5 - 3.99 Hz). The music was track #2 from the Brainwave Suite™ package, featured on CD #4 and was 20 minutes long. According to Thompson5, the music employs stereophonics to deliver two different frequency bandwidths to each ear and EEG entrainment should only occur when the music is presented stereophonically and not monophonically. Music was presented to participants stereophonically for 15 minutes at one minute after the appearance of the first sleep spindle indicating stage two sleep and this was directly followed by five minutes of monophonic music. During their second entrance to stage two sleep, five of the eight participants were exposed to a second presentation of music. The second entrance of stage two was separated from the first episode of stage two sleep by at least three minutes of any other stage of sleep or by one minute of wakefulness. This presentation was also at one minute after the first sleep spindle and began with five minutes of monophonic music followed directly by 15 minutes of stereophonic music. The EEG was sampled for one minute, three times during each presentation and analyzed using period amplitude analysis6. During the first presentation the EEG was sampled one minute prior to presenting the music, at 10 min and 30s into the stereophonic music and during the last minute of monophonic music. During the second presentation of the music the EEG was sampled one minute prior to presenting the music, at four minutes into the monophonic music and again during the last minute of stereophonic music. Subjective ratings of sleep quality were also obtained from each subject. Subjects indicated whether they heard the music and whether they found the music pleasant or aversive. The quality of sleep was rated on a scale of 1(poor), 5.5(moderate) to 10(excellent). The quality of sleep in comparison to the quality of the last week's sleep was rated on a scale of 1(worse), 5.5 (same) to 10 (much better).


Results
Three repeated measures ANOVAs, full-wave, half-wave and first derivative analyses, comparing the incidence of the delta bandwidth were performed on each set of three EEG samples. No significant differences were found in the incidences of delta during the first presentation of the music. The full-wave ANOVA of the data from the second presentation demonstrated a significant difference (F(4, 10)=7.762, p=.0134). Post-hoc Scheffe analyses revealed that (1) the incidence of delta during the monophonic music (mean=55.4%) was greater than that found prior to the presentation of the monophonic music (mean=39.6%) (F(4, 10)=6.483, p<.05) and (2) that the incidence of delta during the stereophonic music (mean=53.6%) (F(4, 10)=5.073, p<.05) was greater than that found prior to the presentation of the monophonic music (39.6%). The half-wave ANOVA of the data from the second presentation also demonstrated a significant difference (F(4, 10)=21.112), p=.0006. This post-hoc Scheffe analyses supported the post-hoc full-wave analyses, (1) the incidence of delta during the monophonic music (mean=60.3%) was greater than the incidence of delta before the presentation of the monophonic music (mean=47.4%) (F(4, 10)=15.265, p<.05) and (2) the incidence of delta during the stereophonic music (mean=60.9%) (F(4, 10)=16.383, p<.05) was greater than the incidence of delta prior to the presentation of the monophonic music (mean=39.6%). The first derivative ANOVA did not demonstrate any significant differences. Results of the subjective ratings indicate that all but one of the eight participants heard the music and all but two of the participants found the music pleasant. The mean quality of sleep was 7.5 (range: 7-10) and the mean quality of sleep comparison rating was 6.39 (range: 5-8).


Discussion
Our results indicate that delta EEG entrainment occurred as a result of the music being presented during sleep. The entrainment response was not stereophonic specific, it occurred with the monophonic and stereophonic music. Significant increases in the incidence of delta in the EEG were found only in the data recorded during the second presentation of the music. This increase in delta during the second music presentation was not confounded with the passage of time nor was it confounded with naturally occurring increases in delta associated with deep sleep; there were no differences between the incidences of delta during the monophonic and the stereophonic music. The lack of any significant differences in the data recorded during the first presentation of the music suggests that the EEG of the first transition from wakefulness to sleep is less malleable perhaps due to higher levels of cortical activity inhibiting relaxation. The subjective rating of a higher than moderate sleep quality, coupled with the slightly better than last week's sleep quality rating seem to suggest that participants found the music beneficial in enhancing sleep quality.


Current Claim:

EEG entrainment by audio-stimulation can enhance subjective sleep quality.


References:

1) Ohatrian, G., Peterson, M., & Lazarte, J. Responses to clicks from the human brain: Some depth electrographic observations. Electroencephalography and Clinical Neurophysiology, 1960, 12: 479-489.

2) Manns, A, Miralles, R., & Adrian, H. The application of audiostimulation and electromyographic biofeedback to bruxism and myofascial pain-syndrome. Oral Surgery, 1981, 52(3): 247-252.

3) Rozelle, G., & Budzynski, T. Neurotherapy for stroke rehabilitation: A single case study. Biofeedback and Self-Regulation, 1995, 20(3): 211-228.

4) Haynes, S, Fitzgerald, S., Shute, & O'Meary, M. Responses of psychophysiologic and subjective insomniacs to auditory stimuli during sleep: A replication and extension. Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 1985, 94: 338-345.

5) Thompson, Jeffrey ., D.C., B.F.A., Personal communication, October, 1996.

6) Hoffmann, R., Moffitt, A., Shearer, J. Sussman, P., & Wells, R. Conceptual and methodological considerations towards the development of computer-controlled research on the electrophysiology of sleep. Waking and Sleeping, 1979, 3: 1-16.

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The above study is a partial answer to your question Crimson Dove on the psychophysiological effects of altered states of consciousness as stimulated by sound.

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http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/SODA_chapter8.html

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King’s chamber and DNA

Sonic experiments performed in the King’s chamber showed that the King’s chamber has a series of acoustic resonance frequencies that correspond with perfect musical notes! The coffer inside the King’s chamber for instance has a perfect resonance frequency of 440 Hz, the ground note A, the frequency of a tuning fork.

Four other resonance frequencies were found in the King’s chamber. These correspond with the musical notes F#, A, C# and D#. These notes are the notes of the F sharp melodic minor scale (F#). Indian shamans tuned their ceremonial flutes to F sharp because they believed that it is a frequency that is attuned to mother Earth.

Now we may remember from the Cymatics studies that the Platonic solids emerge from the perfect sound frequencies of the diatonic musical scale. So it would be no surprise if pure tonal frequencies were found in the Earth grid frequencies.

The amazing thing is that the resonance frequencies of the King’s chamber correspond with the resonance frequencies that were found in the 4 nucleotides of the DNA molecule. This amazing structure has only 4 basic building blocks, the DNA bases adenine (A), cytonsine (C), guanine (G) and thymine (T). Two out of four of these nucleotides can be joined to form a base pair and these base pairs are sequenced to a DNA string. The complete DNA is a spiralling helix of three billion of such base pairs.

Professor of Chemistry and Biochemistry David W. Deamer of the University of California, Santa Cruz measured with infrared light the resonance frequencies of all the 4 bases of DNA. Each base resonated to an average of 15 frequencies, 60 frequencies in total. In 1988 Susan Alexjander, holding a Masters degree in Music Composition and Theory and presently teaching at university level at several universities in California, contacted David W. Deamer with a simple question; ‘can we hear frequencies in the body’. As a response, David Deamer provided her with the data from his research on DNA frequencies.

From here Susan Alexjander started her own research to find out if these resonance frequencies from the DNA bases were completely random or contained some hitherto undiscovered relationship, such as the ratio’s defined in music. The first thing that came to mind was to use a technique to make these high electromagnetic frequencies audible. She used a technique that is often used in music and transposed the higher octave frequencies of light down to the octave of sound. (Remember from our chapter about sacred geometry that the colours of the rainbow are the 7 keys in the diatonic scale transposed to the 48th octave)

The next thing Susan did was she fed the 60 transposed DNA frequencies into a Yamaha DX7 programmable synthesizer. The pitches were not perfect musical notes, however after a few weeks of ‘tuning’ she found that the frequencies were centered around 4 pure musical notes. The notes that she found, you guessed it, are the same resonance frequencies of the King’s chamber in the Great Pyramid!

Susan Alexjander recorded her DNA music played on the DX7 synthesizer on a CD titled ‘Sequencia’. People that listened to the CD reported feelings of connectedness and familiarity.
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Now this discovery lends much credit to the claims made by Edgar Cayce and others that the Great Pyramid was used for healing. It seems no coincidence that the resonance frequencies that were used in the King’s chamber correspond with the resonance frequencies of the DNA bases.
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Are The Frequencies in DNA Bases Harmonically Ordered?
They most certainly are. By comparing all 60 pitches one can find all of the precise ratios found in the first 16 harmonics of the overtone series: octaves, P5th, P4ths, Major and minor thirds, Major and minor 2nds and 7ths; even a 'flat' seventh. Mathematically, the odds of this happening at random are almost non-existent. This author has not taken the time to measure the higher harmonics, but Randy Masters of Aptos, California, is refining this step of the process (3. personal conversation). He is trying to discover a fundamental that could possibly be generating all of the DNA frequencies as overtones. This finding would be invaluable to all those involved in sound and the healing arts as well as scientists, and artists.

The compositions did not make particular, conscious use of the simpler, perfect ratios. But the ratios are there, doing their work, as are all the microtonal relationships. What is more important is the raw sound. Eikos, for instance, (only on the CD recording) pays extreme attention to the way the violin enters into, explores and leaves single synthesized tones. Its energy is zen-like; subterranean, with a playful middle section.

It is not known what information is encoded in these ratios, but one particular pattern appears striking. Figure #3 shows a curious leap in all four bases from the pitch F# up to the D# above, roughly a Major 6th/minor 7th. The interval in-between, G to D, contains no measurable frequencies at all. Its mirror, the G to D an octave below, contains a tightly packed cluster of 22 frequencies, over a third of the total frequencies measured.

What is the function of this 'shadow' gap? Is it just a coincidence, or are we looking into some kind of anti-matter, fourth dimension? More and more we are finding that things contain their complements; their opposites. It is almost a given 'law' of the universe. This 'gap' could be important, especially because both are balanced on their lower and upper edges by D#-F# intervals: nine pitches in the lower cluster and 10 pitches in the upper cluster. Almost perfect symmetry.

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nice rain! thanks so much...

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Hi,
Please don't get me wrong. I am absolutely an advocate for all forms of music and its effects on peoples emotions and uses within music therapy. One of the first thing you learn is that minor chords sound "moody or dark" yet major chords generally sound "happy". I know some teenagers who relax listening to Death Metal but find The Beatles quite abhorrent, so I feel there is lots of additional research that can be looked at into the use of varying frequencies and waveforms with the human brain.
Not having read Patrice's latest book, I'm not really in a position to comment about the relationships with Portals. But from what little I have picked up on this thread, I could see possible links with some of the things that John Harper and Roscoe have been discussing here relating to magnetic currents and cosmological placement.
Please keep posting your research as I find this an interesting subject matter.
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Being a child of 70's and quite able to listen with joy to Emerson, Lake & Palmer (everything) & early King Crimson (Court of)...L.Z. (Kashmir) on the one hand and to get equally excited by such extremes as Sparks (Bearsville epoch) the Runaways, the Runt, Abwärts, you know who's "New Rose" & any early Pistols stuff...to then graduate to The Men They Couldn't Hang (who can do no wrong, still the best ever imho) REM & Radiohead for example & yet tonight i'm chillin' to G.Rossini's "La Boutique Fantasque" & Sibelius's Karelia Suite (but only if they've got the mix right & the cello's raw & choppy and up-front!)...just saying that, there is no telling with music...man is a strange animal, there is no accounting for taste.
I will listen to a whole Undertones track just to catch the Ride Cymbal at a certain moment, i will listen to "Creep" just for that feckin glorious guitar glitch & i'll weep over Tarkus just to hear the one line of "confusion will be my epitaph"...
och i could go on all night...there are certain cord sequences that i don't even have to physically hear...i can just think them...yet it's enough to stop me dead in my tracks in whatever i am doing...my other half says i just go into a dwam & get that far away look.
Frequencies in a certain order, in a certain mix...are all a body needs....bring them on.


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Sheila wrote:
i'll weep over Tarkus just to hear the one line of "confusion will be my epitaph"...

??? Shome mishtake shurely ??? :?


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Not at all dear boy...it' a one wee line sung by a young Greg with that catch in his voice.
Listen again to "Battlefield"...I know "Epitaph" is KC, but this is.....heartrending.

Clear The Battlefield And Let Me See
All The Profit From Our Victory.
You Talk Of Freedom, Starving Children Fall.
Are You Deaf When You Hear The Season's Call.

Were You There To Watch The Earth Be Scorched.
Did You Stand Beside The Spectral Torch.
Know The Leaves Of Sorrow Turned Their Face,
Scattered On The Ashes Of Disgrace.

Every Blade Is Sharp; The Arrows Fly
We're The Victims Of Your Armies' Lie,
Where The Blades Of Grass And Arrows Reign
Then There Will Be Very Little Sorrow,
Very Little Pain.

Confusion...will Be My Epitaph
As I Cross A Cracked And Broken Path
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Hmm...himself experimented with JBL 2220 bass speakers in 4550 cabs...way down in the seriously low Hz range...to see if the speakers could handle the extreme bass for the "Duke" Tour...you couldn't hear it but the liquid in your eyes changed with the pressure so that it was like being underwater.
.....if you did that to a rioting mob, they would hear nothing and see nothing...and they wouldn't know what hit them.
If you get down to 3Hz and have enough power...you can bring the building down..resonant frequency of concrete.


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...young Greg indeed, what a voice...those 3 boys would have gone further if they'd had the delicate touch & sensitive ears of a female on the main FOH console.


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I used a semi-hollow Precision bass with an Ampeg Stadium-Master with 8 Marshall cabinets and a Moog pre-amp in Carnegie Hall...

Nice kit Roger, I'm jealous :)
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