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 Post subject: Re: Operation Annemasse 1956 and circuits.
PostPosted: 17 Dec 2009 12:53 pm 
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I guess I gotta drag out my David Irving e-book which has UK leadership assessing the minimal input of deGaulle. To them deGaulle was a full time posturing nuisance with zero grasp of wartime combat maneuver. He wasn't allowed to accompany front line French troopies, done deliberately to keep him from bolloxing up the show in France.

He expected to be in the lead vehicle as tho' he kicked the Germans out. What got the Germans to leave was the situation on the East Front. When there was a temp stalemate on the east front Hitler did his mid-winter attack at the Bulge and came damn close to pushing the US-UK back into the English Channel. The USAF saved the Day for Ike, and the French as always, licked their widdle boo-boos.

Had deGaulle + the French gone back alone without US-UK support the Germans would have finished them off in a matter of days, so much for the vaunted force de'frappe.

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PostPosted: 17 Dec 2009 2:09 pm 
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........ the adults are trying to have a conversation.

By copying and pasting Wikipedia?

Yes, trying ... :lol:


Wow, I really don't get it. This is the first internet forum I've been on where people have some kind of issue with posting internet references.

Of course, the main difference between me and rain is I often only use the sections of articles that reference the point I'm trying to make - the standard way of indicating you've taken a section (rather than the whole thing) and removed portions is the [snip] mark - this is also the first forum I've seen where people consider that novel.

In conversing on these topics, I often want to point people to relevant material on the subject. Sometimes that material is in Wikipedia. Yes, it's a user-contributed encyclopedia, but the information in there is often quite accurate. Sure, there are many errors in Wikipedia; but as a survey in Nature found out, there were fewer errors than in the Encyclopedia Brittanica ...

Yes I have books on many subjects. I also don't want to retype long passages from them, or scan them, which is the other alternative. It's much easier to post a link to an Internet reference to something that says the same thing.

Sure there's plenty of info on the Internet that's inaccurate. The normal way people respond is to show what's inaccurate and point out why, usually by giving an alternative reference.

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The fact is that, should one ever be put in a position to have to place a bet on the relative potency of fighting groups from different nations, I'd happily put my money on the French SDECE Rangers, over and above your Deltas, Green Berets (Berets!? my, my!) or SAS or Royal Marines. The only fighting force that I think would best them,might be Israel's "Blue Shields", the Druze Commandos.

I like the South Korean special forces they've got names like Black Panther and White Tiger.
They've got a fierce rep.
I'd add The Burka's and Australian/NZ SAS for the Jungle.

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Hey cuz, I suspect you mean "Gurkha", not an Islamic item of apparel. :wink:

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:D Good Call Doc.
freudian slip probably wished there were more Ghurka's preventing the oppressive use of the Burkha in Afghanistan.

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PostPosted: 18 Dec 2009 4:07 am 
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Roger, ya missed my point as always, but that's nuthin' new. There was plenty of money available in France to buy modern state of art weaponry, but de Gaulle was a cheapskate moocher. How do I know, my WW2 Uncle in France was part of the effort to clamp down on the hijacking of Army trucks in France. Its seems yer Maqui buddies made more money selling what they purloined in Paris on the black market. They ambushed 100s of trucks by shootin' the tires and forcin' the drivers to start walkin'. What was a problem was French hookers pretendin' to be hitch hikin' and when these horny Gi's opened the door and saw a pistol aimed at them, attempted to just drive away, the tires were shot out.

It got so bad Ike made truck tire replacement a higher priority than war toys for the front. David Irving did a 1st class job researchin' what a corrupt UK General in charge of supply did. It don't make for pleasant readin'. Patton solved his problem by divertin' his own troops to do their own re-supply runs. The Maqui backed off real fast. To Patton, the worst enemy was not Germans he was fightin', bur Frenchman who were stealin' from him.

How do ya explain the wide spread distribution of supplies of all kinds all over France that were designated for front line troopies while the battle was still ragin'? Even Germans captured by the U.S had these items they bought from so-called French allies. De Gaulle expected France to be 1st in line for Marshall Plan aid ahead of Germany, how come? The French collaborated big time, with the Germans. My uncle had zero kind words for the treachery of the French, he considerin' them much worse than the Italians doin' the same thing.

The mention of force de'frappe was 'zakly what ya brought up, namely, where did that money come from?, when de Gaulle didn't wanna buy a basic arsenal of conventional weaponry used in combat? The French had lots of manufacturing capacity that was not war depleted or war damaged. De Gaulle was already lookin' at exploitin' the German market as a place to dump excess French production ahead of the UK.

The phony reparations plunder game of WW1 meant Germany had to re-tool from scratch which it did while cheapskates like the UK + France stripped everything not destroyed in Germany, like they did after WW1. In 5 years Germany surpassed both in production with higher quality. So much for de Gaulle's biz sense. The guy was a opportunistic loser all the way around.

Remember Roger, yer not the only person around who was on the scene, millions of Gi's saw the corruption all over EU of WW2 daze.

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PostPosted: 18 Dec 2009 11:39 am 
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I'm an idiot. I just realised something.

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In the 1950s France was highly unstable politically – a British radio comedy series of the time contained the line “I’ve made arrangements with one of the French governments…” This atmosphere engendered conspiracies, and there arose a network of clandestine ‘Committees for Public Safety’, with whom M. Plantard came to be involved. In May 1956 a magazine entitled Circuit began publication at Sous-Cassan, Annemasse, each issue introduced by Pierre Plantard. They ostensibly dealt with low-cost housing, saying that their housing association “maintains close contact with a network of other housing associations”. Probably these references were meant to be understood to refer to the Committees for Public Safety. There was also an article on astrology which introduces a thirteen sign zodiac, the extra sign being Opiuchus, placed between Scorpio and Sagittarius. This special zodiac would become almost a trade mark of Plantard-inspired publications. Most importantly, it contained minutes of meetings held to draw up the statutes of what would become the Priory of Sion, though that name was not mentioned.


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I also enclose three examples of a magazine that seems to originate with the same organisation as that mentioned above.

In issue No. 1 of the magazine the design of the emergency accommodation that the town built last year is criticised.

In issue No. 2 reference is made to a matter that led to a dispute with an administrator of the CIL [Comité Interprofessionnel du Logement = Housing Committee], a Monsieur Maitret, solely in our opinion to give Monsieur Maitret an opportunity to reply (see issue No. 3).


This particular matter, which concerned the use of gas and electricity sub-meters [i.e. to monitor consumption on an individual basis] in blocks of flats, formed the subject of quite a lively polemic last January. The copy of the letter addressed to Monsieur Deffaugt which I enclose will provide you with all the information you need on the subject.

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Anyway, it may have been one of these tracts that brought him into contact with Gérard de Sede, a writer who specialised in popular non-fiction. The first work of their collaboration, signed by de Sede but at least partly inspired by Plantard, with the somewhat enigmatic title The Templars Are Among Us, 1962, dealt, again, with the mediaeval fortress of Gisors. They linked the chambers to esotericism – including the thirteen sign zodiac, enigmati-cally superimposed over a map of France – and hinted that there was more to all this than met the eye. Unlike Plantard’s own writings, de Sede’s were issued by major publishers.

The scale of such an operation is obviously dependent upon how much money is available and here there are again contradictory claims. It has been said that Plantard owns large tracts of land in the vicinity of Rennes-le-Chateau, implying that he is of the ‘gentry’ class, with plenty of wealth to spare; yet he has also been described as a draughtsman for a stove-fitting firm, who had difficulty paying his rent. In both instances the source of information is unclear.


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Meanwhile, Circuit had resumed publication, describing itself as the ‘Cultural Periodical of the Federation of French Forces’, and giving its address as 116 Rue Pierre Johet, Aulnay-sous-Bois, which in fact was false.

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http://www.catholicculture.org/news/fea ... cnum=20647

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In Search of the Just Judges
March 18, 2003

It has been called the world's most frequently stolen masterpiece, and a relatively recent theft has long been hailed as Belgiums greatest unsolved mystery--one that still has amateur sleuths tracking clues, nearly 70 years after the crime.

The 24-panel polyptych painted by the Flemish master Jan Van Eyck is known to the world as The Adoration of the Mystic Lamb. Art historians consider the 15th-century altarpiece one of the most influential oil paintings in Christendom. The work boasts an unrivaled realism, and has retained its luminous colors over the centuries.

This fall, a retired Flemish taxi driver put Belgians on tenterhooks when he announced--working anonymously, at first, to build up an air of mystery--that he would reveal the whereabouts of the long lost "Just Judges," a side panel of the masterpiece depicting ten horsemen en route to venerate the Mystic Lamb. The "Just Judges" panel was stolen from Ghents St. Bavo Cathedral on the night of April 10, 1934.

Gaston de Roeck, who fancied himself a clever detective following in the footsteps of the fictional Hercule Poirot, posted credible tips at his website, basing his theories upon ransom notes sent to the Bishop of Ghent in the months following the famous art theft. De Roeck cloaked his true identity with the nom de plume D.U.A."--the same acronym that had been used by the extortionist who sought to collect a ransom for the "Just Judges" seven decades earlier. In an anonymous interview with the Belgian magazine Humo, De Roeck hinted that the recovery of the stolen panel, which is over 5 by 6 feet, would be a simple matter once its location was known; it was, he said, "a mere issue of loosening four screws."

On October 4, 2002, after hunting down clue for years, and building up suspense in his audience for months, De Roeck led police to the parish church of St. Gertrude in the small town of Wetteren, about 10 miles outside the medieval city of Ghent. De Roeck was convinced that the stolen panel was hidden in a wooden wall behind the altar of this church, where the extortionist who approached the bishop in 1934 once served as organist. The police search, however, turned up nothing. "There are no more clues," De Roeck admitted on Belgian television. "I have no idea where it could be. This was to be the climax."

The retired taxi driver is the latest in a long line of amateur sleuths who have failed to track down the Just Judges. The enduring mystery has spawned dozens of theories about the theft, and at least ten books are available on the topic. Patrick Bernauw is author of two such books (Mysteries of the Mystic Lamb, 1991, and The Just Judges, 1992). The notorious theft, he told CWR, "is Belgiums Loch Ness monster," but he stressed that it is also one of Belgiums greatest "true crime stories."

The mystery of the panel's disappearance has captivated Bernauw since he was a child, when he remembers reading a comic-book account of the crime. "For me it is, first of all, a wonderful story," he explained. Bernauw says, however, that most of the prominent researchers and sleuths who have studied the theft have other motivations. Some are obsessed by Van Eycks masterpiece itself. Others understand that anyone who can solve the mystery will be catapulted to the status of a national hero; The Adoration of the Mystic Lamb has been compared to Britains Crown Jewels as the preeminent symbol of Belgiums cultural heritage.

Since 1956 Karl Mortier, Ghents former police chief, has dedicated himself to the search for the lost Just Judges. Together with the late journalist Noël Kerkhaert, he authored The Dossier on the Mystic Lamb: The Search for the Just Judges. In a BBC interview with crime novelist Minette Walters, he referred to the theft as "the art crime of the century." Mortier pointed out that the sensational impact of the theft stems in part from the turbulent history of the Mystic Lamb:

In all the years preceding the theft, there were all sorts of circumstances surrounding the panels--thefts, fire, looting, iconoclasm--and its amazing that during those 500 years the work has always been recovered and remained intact.

It was intact, that is, until the disappearance of the Just Judges.

HOW IT HAPPENED

Mortier, who is now scathing in his criticism of the police officials who have conducted the investigation, reports that when Ghent police arrived at the scene of the crime in 1934, immediately after the theft was reported, the church was full of "the sort of people who go to look at scenes of disaster." Allowing themselves to be constrained by the unruly crowd (instead of using their authority to establish order), the police neglected even to dust the area for fingerprints. They left the scene without having established the basic facts in the case. Consequently, in the first days after the theft, all that anyone knew was that two panels had been removed from the polyptych: the richly detailed portrait of the Just Judges and a grisaille of "St. John the Baptist with the Lamb," which was located on the rear side of the more important multi-colored interior panel. Belgian newspapers treated the burglary as one of the most important news stories of the year. Details of the "suspicious circumstances" surrounding the theft, and efforts to reconstruct the crime, were splashed across their front pages for months.

However, the police investigation was stalled, with no apparent leads, when the Bishop of Ghent received the first in what would be a serious of 13 ransom notes, demanding 1 million Belgian francs--the equivalent to $33,000 at the time--for the safe return of the panels. The extortionist indicated that he would return the John the Baptist panel as proof that he had the more valuable Just Judges. When the bishop agreed (by placing a newspaper ad) to meet the demands, the mysterious thief sent him a left-luggage claim ticket from Brussels North Station, which led police to recover the first panel. The John the Baptist panel was found undamaged, carefully wrapped in black oil cloth and brown paper. The bishop--under heavy pressure from civil authorities, who claimed that the cathedral altarpiece was actually owned by the Belgian government--refused to turn over the 1 million francs. The next typewritten letter from the man calling himself D.U.A. showed his anger. He chided the bishop for breaking an agreement "at the very moment when we are negotiating a relatively small ransom--in proportion to the value of the most precious painting in the world."

Thus the negotiations between the bishop and the extortionist broke down. Once again the police investigation was stalled. THE MAN BEHIND THE THEFT Nothing more was discovered about the elusive "D.U.A." until seven months later, when Arsène Goedertier, a 57-year-old stockbroker, collapsed of a heart attack at a political rally in Brussels. As he lay dying, Goedertier summoned his attorney, Georges de Vos, to whom he uttered his famous last words: "I alone know where the Just Judges are to be found: my study, keys, cupboard." Then he died of heart failure. When De Vos searched the dead mans house in Wetteren, he discovered carbon copies of the 13 typed ransom notes, and a 14th letter addressed to the bishop, which had not yet been mailed. But there was no indication where the Just Judges could be found. Only a single cryptic line in the unsent note hinted at its whereabouts: "Its in a place where neither I nor anyone else can recover it without drawing attention." Goedertier's widow, who insisted that her husband was innocent of the crime, indicated to police that the typewriter found in the dead man's study had been rented. According to evidence that Bernauw has seen, Goedertier used a false identity when renting the typewriter: Arseen Van Damme. "In Latin the U and the V are the same letter," observes Bernauw. "D.U.A. is an anagram of the initials A.V.D." That, he notes, is one possible explanation for the mysterious pseudonym. In the months after his death, journalists and amateur investigators gleaned plenty about the life and personality of Arsène Goedertier. Relatives indicated that he was a megalomaniac who always made a point of emphasizing how wealthy he was. His wife also revealed that, much to her annoyance, he was an avid reader of detective novels. Most telling, perhaps, is the fact that Goedertier was a fan of Arsène Lupin, the "gentleman thief" of Maurice LeBlancs mystery novels. Arsène, of course, was also Goedertier's first name, and for him it seemed to be a coincidence with a meaning. "He had read the novel Laiguille Creuse (The Hollow Needle) several times," says Bernauw. "The book is about art thefts. I believe that Goedertier found some inspiration in the novel." Just as Lupin would always leave a trail of coded messages after his thefts, Goedertier used similar coded language in his ransom notes. By all accounts, Goedertier was an eccentric character who apparently wanted the world to know that he was clever enough to have pulled off the art crime of the century. But some researchers suggest that, although Goedertier definitely typed and mailed the ransom notes, he was not the original thief--or that if he did steal the Just Judges, he did not act alone. One aspect of the puzzle that still baffles most detectives is the absence of a clear motive for Goedertier to steal the panel. Records indicate that he was in a very secure financial position, with than 3 million francs in the bank at the time of his death. So it is doubtful that money was his motive.

Some analysts suggest instead that Goedertier was intent on extracting a sort of symbolic revenge. He is said to have been angry at the Catholic Church, because when Goedertier was a boy his father resigned from a high-paying job in the Church for ideological reasons and ended up as a sacristan, earning a mere pittance. This turn of events prevented his father from sending the young Arsène to a good school. According to this hypothesis, Goedertier held a grudge, and eventually took his revenge against the bishop with this elaborately staged art theft. But that explanation seems far-fetched, especially considering that Goedertier was a leading light in the local politics of the Catholic-led conservative party. Possibly the most compelling hypothesis is that he simply indulged in criminal fantasies of a staggering proportion.

For official purposes, law-enforcement authorities in Ghent closed the case in 1937, concluding that Goedertier was the thief and that he acted alone. But decades later Mortier discovered that the extortionist suffered from a rare eye disease that made it difficult for him to see at night. It would have been impossible, reasons Mortier, for Goedertier to pull off the theft in a dark cathedral at night on his own. So the former police chief concludes: "He must have had at least one accomplice." Bernauw dismisses the eye disease as irrelevant, yet agrees with Mortier that the extortionist did not act alone. In fact Bernauw, goes one step further. He believes that foul play was indicated in Goedertier's untimely death just seven months after the theft. "I believe he was murdered," says Bernauw. "And Im not the only one." He explained that two of the men deemed most likely to have been Goedertiers accomplices, Achiel De Swaef and Oscar Lievens, also died during the month following Goedertier's death. Oddly, Ghent police failed to conduct homicide inquiries into any of these untimely deaths. NO SHORTAGE OF THEORIES

Bernauw leans toward an explanation of the crime that has come to be known as the "Nazi plot" theory. Adolph Hitler, who came into power in Germany just a year before the theft, was interested in the Mystic Lamb for occult reasons. "Hitler dreamed of an 'Arian religion' that could compete with Christianity," explains Bernauw, "and he used the Mystic Lamb in this context." He says: "I believe that the true reason for stealing the Just Judges had something to do with the fascination of the top Nazis for the Mystic Lamb." The Nazi fascination with the altarpiece is a matter of record. During World War II, the remaining panels of the altarpiece were captured by the Nazis when they invaded Belgium, and taken from the cathedral. Heinrich Himmler sent high ranking SS-officer Kulturforscher Henry Koehn to Belgium with the sole task of locating the missing Just Judges panel. The Nazis held the Mystic Lamb in custody in the salt mines of Alt Aussée, near Salzburg, until 1945, when General George Patton's troops uncovered the cache propped up against crates in a room deep underground, where the mineshafts were filled with dynamite.

Bernauws theory is that Goedertier and his accomplices, De Swaef and Lievens, worked for a Nazi agent, and were later killed when they hid the stolen panel for him. The Nazi-plot hypothesis, sensational as it sounds, is one of the more plausible theories put forth to explain the theft. One book on the crime lays out a remarkable theory involving the Knights Templar and the quest for the Philosophers Stone. Another describes the painting as a secret map leading to the Holy Grail.

Recent recovery efforts

The number of scenarios sketched out to explain the theft of the Mystic Lamb is matched only by the number of theories about where the Just Judges panel is now hidden. To date, obviously, whenever those theories have been tested, they have been found wanting.

In addition to De Roecks recent internet folly--which probably received more sensational publicity than any previous effort to locate the panel--Karl Mortier has theorized that the missing panel was still hidden in the Ghent cathedral and in fact had never left the building. There is some historical precedent for that theory; in the 16th century the entire altarpiece was hidden in the cathedral's bell tower to protect it from destruction during the Calvinist revolt of that era. In 1995, Mortiers hypothesis inspired a hi-tech search through the Gothic building. Art detectives wielding miniature laser-guided cameras drilled microscopic holes through the wood paneling of the church's walls. But the expensive search yielded nothing. In 2001, Christiaan Noppe, a policeman from the Belgian port city of Antwerp, put forth another theory that would supposedly reveal the hiding place. Noppe is convinced that the stolen panel is hidden in the coffin of King Albert I, who died in a climbing accident during the year of the theft. King Albert's body now lies in the crypt of the Belgian royal family's palace at Laeken, just outside Brussels. According to a report in Londons Telegraph:

Noppe studied the postmarks on the envelopes, and traced the five post offices from which the letters had been sent. He then sat down with a map of Belgium and traced straight lines between the courthouses in Antwerp and Brussels, and between the churches of John the Baptist in the two cities. Noppe then connected St. Bavo, which used to be called St. John, to Goedertiers home in Wetteren. The post offices used by Goedertier all lie along these lines, says Noppe, which converge at the Royal Crypt.

Goedertiers personality seems to indicate that he was the type of character who might devise just such an intricate puzzle, and then lay clues in order to test the mettle of detectives who would pore over his coded language. But the Noppe theory has not been put to the test. Indeed it seems unlikely that Noppe's suggestions will produce anything more than a lucrative book contract, and one more theory added to the ever-growing supply. The unsolved mystery of the stolen Just Judges continues to mock the most industrious sleuths of Belgium.

[AUTHOR ID] Michael S. Rose is the author of Ugly as Sin and Goodbye, Good Men.

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Hi,

Does anyone know how long M. Deffaugt was Mayor of Annemasse?

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DEFFAUGT Jean (1896-1970)
Maire de 1943 à 1947

Né le 31 mai 1896 à Verchaix, Jean Deffaugt est commerçant en tissus. Il réside en Lorraine, puis s'installe à Annemasse en 1935. Par son dynamisme, il contribue à la renommée du commerce annemassien. Lorsqu'en 1940 des réfugiés arrivent de l'Est, J. Deffaugt s'occupe spontanément d'eux.
Il fonde un centre d'accueil, qui recevra près de 12000 français venus de la zone occupée. Cette action bénévole lui vaut d'être choisit dans la Délégation spéciale instituée par le Régime de Vichy. Avec d'autres anciens combattants, il accepte "par devoir" cette lourde tâche d'administration. Adjoint au maire Collardey, il le remplace lors de sa fuite et devient maire en décembre 1943. Le Comité national de Libération, reconnait ses services et le maintient dans sa fonction en août 1944. J. Deffaugt se retrouve donc être le maire d'Annemasse sous l'Occupation allemande et la Libération. Entre septembre 1943 et août 1944, la police allemande règne sur la ville, implacable et dotée d'une des pires prisons de Haute-Savoie, la prison du Pax. Près de 1500 personnes vont être internées puis relâchées ou transférées à Annecy, Lyon, Drancy puis les camps de la mort. Aux premières arrestations, J. Deffaugt obtient l'accord d'apporter chaque jour aux détenus des repas. Il brave le danger pour les réconforter et plus encore, demande la libération de tous les jeunes enfants, israélites pour la plupart. Résistant à sa manière, le Réseau Gilbert l'utilise selon les besoins : cachet de la mairie, renseignement, contact avec les prisonniers du Pax. Après la Libération du 18 août 1944, le contexte demeure tendu. Annemasse est le siège d'une cour martiale en septembre 1944 où sont condamnés à mort 30 miliciens. Les qualités de " courage et clairvoyance" de J. Deffaugt lui valent plusieurs médailles: Légion d'Honneur, Médaille Militaire, Médaille de la Résistance, Mérite social, Mérite commercial. J.Deffaugt se distingue entre tous, par la médaille des "Justes d'Israël", distinction rare, décernée à ceux qui ont risqué leur vie pour aider des Juifs.


Réélu maire en 1945, il reste conseiller municipal de 1947 à 1959 puis de 1965 à sa mort, le 1er juillet 1970. Il est âgé de 75 ans.


(Sources : Archives municipales d'Annemasse)


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Hi Sheila,

Thanks for that. My French is poor. Would I be right in saying Deffaugt was Mayor until 1947, and then became a municipal councilor for twelve years, until 1959, and then again from 1965 until his death?

A M. Deffaugt is mentioned in the 1956 June 8th letter posted by Rain at the beginning of this thread. I can't quite tell whether he was in opposition, and therefore allied with Maitret, or a target for Maitret. Does anyone know?

Also, has it ever been suggested that Deffaugt might have some association with the ever elusive Defagot/Defago Sion 'founder'? Is such a name common in France etc?

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He was the deputy/second in command to the Maire Mr.Collardey and replaced him as Mayor when Collardey fled in December 1943.
Deffaugt thus became the mayor of Annemasse under the German Occupation and also under the Liberation.
Between September 1943 and August 1944, the German police reigned over the city, which had one of the worst prisons in Haute-Savoie, the Pax Prison. Nearly 1500 people would be detained and then released or transferred to Annecy, Lyon, Drancy and then to the death camps. At the first arrests, Jean Deffaugt reached an agreement to provide daily meals to the inmates. He braved the dangers to comfort them and even more, he called for the release of all the young children, who were mostly Jewish.
After the liberation of 18 August 1944, Annemasse would become the seat of a court martial in September 1944 where 30 militiamen where sentenced to death. The courage and vision of J. Deffaugt earned him several medals: Légion d'Honneur, Médaille Militaire, Médaille de la Résistance, Mérite social, Mérite commercial. But Jean Deffaugt stands out above all others, with the medal of "Justes d'Israël/Righteous of Israel", which was a rare distinction, awarded to those who risked their lives to help Jews.


Re-elected mayor in 1945, he remained a member of the council from 1947 to 1959 and from 1965 to his death on 1 July 1970 at 75 years of age.



that's just a rough translation...sorry to say, i know nothing about the subject being discussed.


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Hi Sheila,

Thank you kindly for the translation.

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Hi Roger,

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Jean Deffaugt never had any connection with either Plantard and his PdS, nor with the Comites de Securite. He was a gentleman of the old school.

In the June 1956 letter written by the Mayor of Annemasse, he claims that the Priory of Sion was created as a political pressure group in support of M. Maitret. It surprises me that so little has been made of that particular claim, coming as it does a number of years before the Merovingian add-ons, the ‘Bloodline’ add-ons, the Extra-Terrestrial add-ons, the Anti-Christ/Satanist add-ons, the Goddess add-ons, etc…

With all the bogus theories going around, surely this kind of source material is worth a mention? For example, perhaps it might be worth noting M. Maitret’s political orientation?

As for M. Deffaugt…

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Vichy-appointed mayor, Jean Deffaugt…remained faithful to Marshal Pétain …despite vociferous recriminations by members of the resistance, to which he also belonged.


Actions, I think, speak loudest in his case. He undoubtedly risked his life saving Jews, and was also a member of the Resistance. This would suggest, IMHO, that he was not in any sense an ‘ideological Vichyite’. All public officials in Vichy France were ‘Vichy-appointed’. I’d still be interested in finding out if he was allied with, or opposed to M. Maitret.

The other question I asked regarding the elusive Armand Defagot/Defago… has it ever been shown conclusively that this guy existed? Both Chaumeil and de Sède claim he did, yet he has never (AFAIK) been interviewed or come forward to shed any light on what was going on in 1956, be it ‘boy-scouting’, ‘fun’, political plots, or simple Catholic piety? Since there seems to be some ambiguity in the spelling of Defago/Defagot, and even Deffaugt/Deffaught, I wonder could the former, if he exists at all, perhaps be related to the latter?

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Hi,

I thought I'd give this one another go, now that there would seem to be some interest over in the PoS section...

Earlier, Sheila kindly translated some info regarding M. Deffaugt. In furtherance of that I'd still be very interested in learning whether M. Deffaugt was politically allied with Guersillon or Maitret. Any comments would be grealy appreciated.

Perhaps one of our esteemed francophones could do a very quick and basic translation of this:

http://books.google.ie/books?id=bzms3T_Xmk4C&pg=PA356&lpg=PA356&dq=Jean+Deffaugt+Leon+Guersillon&source=bl&ots=5vxmsjdXPj&sig=rYMeYxedMPPCIywpKHyPx1v3L3s&hl=en&ei=vbPfTY-eM4OFhQeqkdTOCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

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Here's a good link it is to a previous article I've semi-posted but I thought the fact that there is a wikispooks was funny so I thought I'd post anyway.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:The_Pinay_Circle

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Sheila wrote:
After the liberation of 18 August 1944, Annemasse would become the seat of a court martial in September 1944 .........

Talking about Annemasse where Plantard built his PdS in 1956 ... he was still there in 1972 when di Mambro moved to Annemasse and founded his "Order of the Solar Temple".
Imagine Plantard and di Mambro living in the same little town ... now WHY did di Mambro go north and move to that place?
Hony soit qui mal y pense. :lol:


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Eginolf wrote:
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After the liberation of 18 August 1944, Annemasse would become the seat of a court martial in September 1944 .........

Talking about Annemasse where Plantard built his PdS in 1956 ... he was still there in 1972 when di Mambro moved to Annemasse and founded his "Order of the Solar Temple".
Imagine Plantard and di Mambro living in the same little town ... now WHY did di Mambro go north and move to that place?
Hony soit qui mal y pense. :lol:


It says he had a minor skirmish in 1971 and then moved to Annemesse "near the swiss border" and then to Switzerland. Considering the rotation of different movements including op gladio from Annemesse he probably had significant contacts and protection in the region.

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Hi Roger,

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Roger is getting more and more annoyed by a) people asking "essay questions" under the assumption that educating unknown adults (presumably) online is one's sole mission in life, and b) the realisation - from the questions that are being asked - of how little people know about contemporary European History and politics.

Also, while it may be effective with the lower end of the spectrum of clients of municipal police departments, the technique of asking the same question under 20 different formats is unlikely here to prompt a different answer than originally given.


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https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/organisatio ... 1_1991.pdf

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" Despite a wealth of covert operations centering on media campaigns to promote or denigrate election candidates, the international impact of the Cercle complex has not yet [1993] been the main focus for an investigation in any language. The information contained in this study was compiled from a sheaf of internal documents from the Cercle Pinay and it partners, the Belgian AESP, the British ISC and the Swiss ISP, as well as over one hundred books and numerous Press repots in English, French, German and Spanish (all translations by this author).

The insight afforded is only partial; as Brian Crozier wrote in his memoirs about this author's previous research on the Cercle complex: "There are pitfalls in writing about confidential matters from the outside, and drawing on similarly handicapped material"(1).


ROGUE AGENTS The Cercle Pinay complex 1951 - 1991 by David Teacher. 2008

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Roger wrote:
Don't trust Crozier either, not a fool like Chaumeil, but a strategic liar.


I'm going to read his book :P Free Agent: The Unseen War 1941-1991., I can hear you groaning now Roger, thinking "am I going to start quoting from it".

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BRIAN CROZIER

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"The CCF would run several features services spanning the globe: Forum Information Services in English, Preuves-Informations in French and El Mundo en Espanol in Spanish. The CCF would also publish a range of leterary magazines such as Encounter and Survey in London, Quadrant in Australia, Cuadernos in Buenos Aires and Cadernos Brasileiros in Rio de Janeiro. The CCF has been the subject of extensive research; at this stage, it is sufficient to note that the CCF would hire Brian Crozier in 1964 and would launch him as a media asset for the Western intelligence services by creating the CIA-funded news agency Forum World Features in 1965."


P7. ROGUE AGENTS The Cercle Pinay complex 1951 - 1991 by David Teacher. 2008.

*CCF - Congress for Cultural Freedom.

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people asking "essay questions"

Perhaps hes doing a Dan Brown - and looking for material for a book :P


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