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sorry :shock: ...pass that by me again?


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http://www.tbd.com/articles/2010/09/discovery-communications-headquaters-in-silver-spring-evacuated-7172.html

Discovery Channel hostage situation: Gunman identified as James Jay Lee

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It's just too freakin' weird I tell ya...

The fella that did all the shootin' at VT, Cho, had "Ishmael" written on his arm.
He sent his manifesto to one of the big stations in NY...I can't remember now.
VT is in Montgomery Co. VA....

Mongtomery Co...Mongtomery Co.
Asian Shooter...Asian Shooter
Manifesto sent to large news corp....manifesto sent to large news corp
reference to Ishmael...reference to Ishmael

Today is the day after the anniversary of Lady Di's death, with a 911 in the date...woo woo...I bet Rosco could make an entire life's work out of that.

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you're smokin' way too much lady :D


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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11179026

High-profile Portugal child sex abuse 'proved' The seven convicted of abuse include Portuguese TV presenter Carlos Cruz. All seven defendants in a long-running trial in Portugal have been found guilty of sexually abusing children in the care of a state-run home.

The six men and one woman include Carlos Cruz, a former top TV presenter, and Jorge Ritto, a former ambassador.

Between them they faced hundreds of charges relating to the rape and abuse of 32 boys in the 1990s.

The boys, now aged between 16 and 22, were all residents at the Casa Pia children's home in the capital, Lisbon.

The judges in the case are still reading the full verdict in each of the hundreds of accusations, but the court has ruled that the vast majority of sexual abuse has been proven.


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Portugal has been racked by rumours that the state-run network of Casa Pia children’s homes has been infiltrated by a paedophile ring. This ring supposedly supplies young boys to be sexually abused by well-known politicians and celebrities. Carlos Cruz, one of the Portugal’s most famous television presenters, has already been arrested, as has Jorge Ritto, the former ambassador to South Africa. Also in prison awaiting trial are the lawyer Hugo Marçal; a doctor at the institution, Joao Ferreia Diniz and the former director of the homes, Manuel Abrantes. All are accused of abusing children.


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Portuguese socialites are among seven people who go on trial in Lisbon today accused of preying upon vulnerable children from state orphanages.

Among those accused in the country's worst scandal for decades are Portugal's best-known media celebrity, the chat show host Carlos Cruz, 63, and Portugal's former ambassador to South Africa, Jorge Ritto, 68.

Also charged is Carlos Silvino, 47, a former caretaker employed by the state-run Casa Pia children's homes, who is accused of 669 acts of child sex abuse and of organising the supply of children for use as sex toys by members of Portugal's social and showbusiness elite.

Evidence emerged two years ago that up to 100 children in state care suffered decades of sexual abuse while senior politicians turned a blind eye.

The scandal broke when the mother of a former inmate said that orphanage staff had abused her son. Casa Pia is a 224-year old operation that runs 10 Lisbon homes for 4,500 young people, mostly boys, who have no family or whose parents are too poor to care for them. Former Casa Pia employees claim that abuse dated back to the mid-1970s, but that the authorities covered it up.

Thirty-two alleged victims, some under 16, are to testify in the closed proceedings. The three judges will hear evidence from 700 witnesses in a trial expected to last months.

Adolescents went on television to give testimonies of rape by adults they knew only as "Mr Engineer" or "Mr Doctor". They said Mr Silvino, whom they called "Bibi", offered them sweets and visits to football matches, then raped them in lavatories or dark corridors, and recruited them for sex parties with "important friends". When Mr Silvino was approached by a reporter two years ago, his reply prompted suspicion of a top-level conspiracy: "They can't touch me," he said. "There are too many powerful people involved."


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very hard to read this...but thanks for posting.

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When Mr Silvino was approached by a reporter two years ago, his reply prompted suspicion of a top-level conspiracy: "They can't touch me," he said. "There are too many powerful people involved."

Same thing in the case of Dutroux. Michel Nihoul had the connections to "powerful people" - and got only 5 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux

It took them 7 years to start the trial. Within this time 27 witnesses died! The prosecutor committed "suicide". The judge was exchanged. All that reminds me of the JFK case.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1039856/


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Six des sept accusés sont reconnus coupables. Le chauffeur de la Casa Pia, homme à tout faire, aussi zélé qu’insignifiant en apparence, et qui écope de 18 ans de prison. Il est le seul à avoir reconnu les faits dont on l’accuse. Le seul à avoir admis avoir violé des gamins et de les avoir livrés à des commanditaires amateurs d’orgies en tout genre. Pour sa défense, l’homme dit avoir lui-même été victime d’abus sexuels à l’âge de 4 ans et avoir tenté se suicider à 14 ans. Bouc émissaire ? Pièce essentielle d’un dispositif qui semble avoir fonctionné des années durant, sans que personne n’intervienne ou ne tire la sonnette d’alarme.

Selon des enquêtes indépendantes, les abus sexuels à la Casa Pia existaient déjà dans les années 1970, mais ces affaires de ballets bleus et roses auraient été étouffées au moment de la « révolution des œillets » en 1974. Des 32 victimes du procès Casa Pia, toutes n’ont pas eu le courage de se montrer à visage découvert.

Leurs avocats se disent soulagés de la reconnaissance des faits, mais se montrent inquiets du sort réservé aux dizaines de victimes qui n’ont pas pu ou voulu témoigner. Leur vie brisée les a condamnées à la drogue ou à la prostitution. Pour beaucoup, seule l’absence de cadavres sépare l’affaire Casa Pia de l’affaire Dutroux.


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 Post subject: Re: Inside Job
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Guilty after six-year trial, Portugal's high-society paedophile ring

Politicians among abusers who preyed on state-run orphanages
By Jerome Taylor: Saturday, 4 September 2010

To most people Portugal's state-run orphanages seemed like a safe haven for thousands of children who had been robbed of their parents. They were called the Casa Pia, or Houses of the Pious.
But for an elite paedophile ring, which included a former ambassador and a prominent television celebrity, Casa Pia orphanages were something entirely different. They were supermarkets stocked with children to abuse. Yesterday, at the conclusion of the longest trial in Portugal's history, seven defendants were convicted of using the orphanages to rape and abuse scores of teenage boys in a case that has sent shockwaves through the country's political elite and raised serious concerns over the efficiency of Portugal's judiciary. Six of the seven were given jail terms of between five and 18 years.

The trial, in Lisbon's top criminal court, is thought to be the largest ever undertaken by Portugal's court system. Over five and half years, more than 800 witnesses, including 32 alleged victims, gave evidence detailing how a paedophile ring used the orphanages to source children for wealthy and influential clients. The sentencing document alone, of which judges spent most of yesterday reading a summary, runs to 2,000 pages.

Two of those found guilty included Carlos Cruz, a popular television chat-show host with 30 years in show business, and Jorge Ritto, a former ambassador once sent home in disgrace from a posting in Germany over allegations that he had been having an improper relationship with a young boy in a park.

Their co-defendants included Carlos Silvino, an orphanage driver who would ferry children to paedophile houses; Joao Ferreira Diniz, a prominent doctor who often deliberately picked out deaf and dumb children; Manuel Abrantes, a former deputy principal at an orphanage; solicitor Hugo Marcal and Gertrude Nunes, the only female defendant who allowed her house to be used by the paedophile ring. The successful convictions, eight years after the paedophile scandal was exposed, is a major victory for Portuguese police, under intense criticism over their handling of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. One of the lead detectives in the Casa Pia case, Paulo Rebelo, also investigated the Madeleine McCann disappearance after the original lead investigator was sacked. Rebelo and his team of forensic investigators – called "the cleaners" because they leave no stones unturned – are said to have played a pivotal role in securing the convictions.

But the trial was dogged by accusations that witnesses had been intimidated, and allegations that senior politicians turned a blind eye to the abuse to protect friends. Reports that paedophiles were using Casa Pia orphanages to source victims surfaced in the early 1980s but they were swept under the carpet. Teresa Costa Macedo, a senior government official, said she informed the country's then president, General Ramalho Eanes, and provided photographic evidence. But the photographs were "lost" by police and Mrs Macedo said she was also intimidated by phone calls from anonymous callers. "They said they would kill me, flay me and a lot of other things," she recalled.

The current trial began in 2004 after a lengthy investigation started by nine boys who had been at one of the homes in Lisbon accused several people of sexual abuse between 1998 and 2001. Their decision to come forward prompted hundreds more witnesses to speak out and has lead to a tripling in the number of child-abuse investigations across Portugal.
Victims have told investigators that abuse at Casa Pia orphanages – of which there about 10 around the country – occurred as far back as the 1970s but most witness testimonies used for the trial came from victims who were abused during the 1990s. Prosecutors still believe there are more victims out there too scared to talk.

The prosecution's case centred around Silvino, known to the paedophile ring as "Bibi". The 53-year-old confessed to 639 charges relating to the abuse of children or procuring them for others, and testified against the other defendants. He admitted he had used the orphanages to collect victims and delivered them to co-defendants such as Cruz who, Silvino claimed, paid cash.

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Perhaps almost more interesting is who was NOT prosecuted... Like some prominent members of pseudo chivalric orders, very close to the pretender.


Excuse me...? Care to provide names?

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Pedophilia really is the original sin. It never stopped. It seems to be unstoppable. Jehovah was a bad ass giving this "gift".

And of course - the powerful people never get caught. With a small net we only catch small fish.


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interesting post, but way over my head as usual...... are you saying that the trophy murders mentioned in the article are not the main point and merely a distraction...you say there's gold trafficking involved. ?..rather than appropriating the massive reserves of oil and mining potential which is what i thought it was all about?

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If you have more than 20 years of steel constructed building engineering perhaps you'd like to argue with this chappie.

The evidence that Thermate was used to bring down the buildings

Dr Steven Jones discussing NIST refusing to discuss his and other independent researcher's findings regarding molten metal in the world trade buildings

So if you still have your head firmly placed up where the sun don't shine then perhaps you'd like to have it out with these people.

Architects and Engineers for 911 truth

A word of warning.

They're experts.

Good Luck.

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I've always wondered, how many innocent people who were in the vicinity of the dust cloud became ill after the date in question...that dust got everywhere.


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I've always wondered, how many innocent people who were in the vicinity of the dust cloud became ill after the date in question...that dust got everywhere.
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For the 9/11 Legacy Victims Still Dying in New York


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Despite the current mountains of circumstantial evidence, many Americans still find it hard to believe their leaders would sacrifice thousands of innocent lives for political or economic ends, even ends as grandiose as PNAC's plans for global energy control and worldwide military dominion. To those who still find the passage from incriminating facts to suspicions of guilt a difficult crossing, we ask that they consider the hundreds of 9/11 first responders, cleanup workers and WTC area employees, residents, and children now dying needless painful deaths in the city of New York. These are not victims of foreign terrorists, but of administration lies, which current studies now estimate will kill more people than the attacks themselves. These lies were orchestrated by the Rove-dominated White House Council on Environmental Quality(See Note Below), which blocked EPA air quality warnings, falsified or suppressed pollution reports, and voided OSHA protections for workers on the ground. The thousands of lives this deceit will cost were also sacrificed for political and economic ends, but this time simply for the trivial goal of getting the Stock Exchange up and running again.

So here is the question that must finally be confronted: would the same men who willingly sacrificed thousands of lives for a Wall Street PR stunt be unwilling to sacrifice an equal number to solidify their rule and dominate the world?


If you think that the US government wouldn't kill 3000+ of its own people then what about the clean up workers they sent in who are dying in droves? They sent sniffer dogs into the rubble, more than half of them have died.

However one woman stayed in her flat whilst the towers collapsed, the debris came through her window thus ensuring uncontaminated dust particles analysed by Professor Steven Jones. It has unreacted Thermite in it and as Dr Steven Jones put it " Not merely the smoking gun but the bullets too"

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Says it all really. The publically funded institutions and the main media are terrified to discuss this in an open forum. The figure is now 49.4% in a Zogby poll who think that the 911 Commission lied.

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Karl Rove's grandfather was Karl Heinz Roverer, the Gauleiter of Oldenburg. Roverer was Reich-Statthalter---Nazi State Party Chairman---for his region. He was also a partner and senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. engineering firm, which built the Birkenau death camp, at which tens of thousands of Jews, Gypsies, dissidents and other were slaughtered en masse.

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OK all you naysayers, let's see you explain this one

The fact that NIST has held onto this for years tells you everything.

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Marion Cotillard, David Lynch, Charlie Sheen, Mos Def and Rosie O'Donnell

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Karl Rove's grandfather was Karl Heinz Roverer, the Gauleiter of Oldenburg. Roverer was Reich-Statthalter---Nazi State Party Chairman---for his region. He was also a partner and senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. engineering firm, which built the Birkenau death camp, at which tens of thousands of Jews, Gypsies, dissidents and other were slaughtered en masse.


I detest Karl Rove almost as much as I abhor Dickless Cheney, but come on!
A very little bit of research effort would've taught you that Rove is of Norwegian immigrant stock (not German) and that this is but one of the many internet canards you enthusiastically endorse without any qualms as to their complete lack of veracity.


Karl Rove's grandfather was Karl Heinz Roverer

Please note the word Grandfather not father. Indeed his father from whom he got his name was not his natural father. Perhaps you can point out to me where it was stated that Roverer was German. Oldenburg is on the Northern part of Germany and Norway was an occupied country during WWII. Many Norweigens were members of the SS.

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Karl Rove's grandfather was Karl Heinz Roverer, the Gauleiter of Oldenburg. Roverer was Reich-Statthalter---Nazi State Party Chairman---for his region. He was also a partner and senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. engineering firm, which built the Birkenau death camp, at which tens of thousands of Jews, Gypsies, dissidents and other were slaughtered en masse.


I detest Karl Rove almost as much as I abhor Dickless Cheney, but come on!
A very little bit of research effort would've taught you that Rove is of Norwegian immigrant stock (not German) and that this is but one of the many internet canards you enthusiastically endorse without any qualms as to their complete lack of veracity.



And Dickless Cheney is eighth cousin to President Obama


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His biological father left the family when Rove and his older brother were children. His mother, Reba Louise (née Wood), was a gift shop manager, and his mother's second husband, Louis Claude Rove Jr. (1928–2004), who adopted him[1] and whom Rove knew as his father, was a geologist whose ancestry was Norwegian.


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Karl Rove is not the spawn of Nazis, or the grandspawn of Nazis. His grandfather was not Carl Röver, Karl Rovener, or Karl Roverer, and was not the Gauleiter of Oldenburg, a high-ranking Nazi Party official, or the senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. Engineering, the firm built the Birkenau death camp.

That's an internet legend, and it's not true.

Near as we can tell, the claim of Rove's Nazi pedigree started with free-lance muckraker Al Martin at his AlMartinRaw.com website. Virtually every mention of the Rove/Röver/Rovener/Roverer rumor either states it as fact without citing any source at all (which ought to ring alarm bells) or mentions, reprints, or cites Martin. But at least in the Martin reports I've seen, there's no mention of where he got this information. When I wrote to Mr Martin and asked that question, I received no response to two polite inquiries. Draw your own conclusions.

According to sources we're more familiar with and more confident in, Rove's biological father abandoned the family when Rove was very young, and Rove was in his 40s the one time he met his natural father as an adult. Rove's adopted family — the only family he ever knew — is Norwegian-American, and his grandfather was Norway’s Vice-Consul in Milwaukee. The name 'Rove' comes from his adoptive father, Louis Rove, and it is not an Americanization of Röver, Rovener, or Roverer. If you believe Karl Rove is of Nazi ancestry you've been duped.


Snippety-doo-dah

Yes, 1] he was adopted into the Rove patronym, and 2] the operative word is indeed "grandfather", and his grandfather was the Norwegian Vice-Consul in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

Wait for the peyote to wear off before posting.


You mean!

He's denied it?

Imagine my surprise.

It seems to be an unwritten law that when something is denied it is always believed but when something bad is suggested it is never believed.

Well it would be prudent to have a Vice Consul in Milwaukee who has had previous experience as Gauleiter of Oldenburg. Especially after Operation Paperclip

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His biological father left the family when Rove and his older brother were children. His mother, Reba Louise (née Wood), was a gift shop manager, and his mother's second husband, Louis Claude Rove Jr. (1928–2004), who adopted him[1] and whom Rove knew as his father, was a geologist whose ancestry was Norwegian.


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Karl Rove is not the spawn of Nazis, or the grandspawn of Nazis. His grandfather was not Carl Röver, Karl Rovener, or Karl Roverer, and was not the Gauleiter of Oldenburg, a high-ranking Nazi Party official, or the senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. Engineering, the firm built the Birkenau death camp.

That's an internet legend, and it's not true.

Near as we can tell, the claim of Rove's Nazi pedigree started with free-lance muckraker Al Martin at his AlMartinRaw.com website. Virtually every mention of the Rove/Röver/Rovener/Roverer rumor either states it as fact without citing any source at all (which ought to ring alarm bells) or mentions, reprints, or cites Martin. But at least in the Martin reports I've seen, there's no mention of where he got this information. When I wrote to Mr Martin and asked that question, I received no response to two polite inquiries. Draw your own conclusions.

According to sources we're more familiar with and more confident in, Rove's biological father abandoned the family when Rove was very young, and Rove was in his 40s the one time he met his natural father as an adult. Rove's adopted family — the only family he ever knew — is Norwegian-American, and his grandfather was Norway’s Vice-Consul in Milwaukee. The name 'Rove' comes from his adoptive father, Louis Rove, and it is not an Americanization of Röver, Rovener, or Roverer. If you believe Karl Rove is of Nazi ancestry you've been duped.


Snippety-doo-dah

Yes, 1] he was adopted into the Rove patronym, and 2] the operative word is indeed "grandfather", and his grandfather was the Norwegian Vice-Consul in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

Wait for the peyote to wear off before posting.


You mean!

He's denied it?

Imagine my surprise.

It seems to be an unwritten law that when something is denied it is always believed instantly but when something bad is suggested it is never believed.

Well it would be prudent to have a Vice Consul in Milwaukee who has had previous experience as Gauleiter of Oldenburg. Especially after Operation Paperclip

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OK all you naysayers, let's see you explain this one

The fact that NIST has held onto this for years tells you everything.



Why has nobody commented on this.

Too busy with their pathetic attempts at point scoring no doubt.

We all know of course that if I wasn't here he'd be doing it with someone else.

Save us from insecure socially injured people with a deep seated inferiority complex. Who has the need to try to prove themselves on a daily basis.

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Well it would be prudent to have a Vice Consul in Milwaukee who has had previous experience as Gauleiter of Oldenburg.


In other words, you refuse to go verify for yourself that it isn't true, because the notion pleases you too much to have to abandon it. Another good illustration of the lack of credibility of your posts and free-associations. It's weird, because debunking the Nazi connection (as distant as it would've been, had it existed), would in no way diminish the obvious evil of the man.

I'm reminded of those pesky "mysterious" Benedictine monks from Monte Cassino... :lol:


You haven't said anything that proves that what I said wasn't true. All you've said is that he had other jobs.

And as I keep telling you every group of hermits were abitrarily labelled Benedictine by historians. Have you asked the people here yet. Whilst you're at it ask them about the partially destroyed standing stone there.

Wonder if there's ever going to be a time when you actually read what's placed in front of you instead of thinking what's been said.

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