The Castillon Diary: Game Over

TCP · **Posted:** 09 Sep 2010 5:52 am

Thorstein wrote:

Renne wrote:

old newspaper clippings with phoney dates

Dates which can be verified by anyone with a basic level of intelligence. You can lead a horse to water...

Yep. Just click on the provided links and there they are. :lol:

TCP

TCP · **Posted:** 09 Sep 2010 5:59 am

Renne wrote:

What is the Inquisition even doing on here except to cause trouble?

Ruining your plans, apparently. :lol:

Better luck on your next forgery, Mary Alice. Be sure to fully scan old newspaper clippings next time, and mind the hotel proprietorships.

TCP

Thomas D. · **Posted:** 09 Sep 2010 6:53 am

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No one is swinging in the wind, a majority of debunkers on a forum means nothing.

What it means, dear Lady, is that it has been evaluated and found wanting.
Incorrigible !
:lol:

Do you have any concept how ridiculous you sound?

What it means is that the 'Diary' that you hold so dear is exposed once more as a tawdry fake
and, in the view of the Forum you are culpable!

Did you really set out to become such a figure of derision or was this an unexpected gift from CAH?

TD

whoop_john · **Joined:** 08 Jul 2008 12:32 pm **Posts:** 546

The Castillon diaries was such a badly-written and ill-conceived crock of nonsense in the first place I am surprised anyone took it seriously. In fact why am I writing this?

alexius · **Posted:** 10 Sep 2010 4:45 pm

So the great WhoopJohn speaks. Who is he I ask? Today's answer to Henry James? Style maketh the man eh. Come off it you pretentious prat you probably wouldn't recognise fine writing if it bit you in the arse.

whoop_john · **Joined:** 08 Jul 2008 12:32 pm **Posts:** 546

alexius wrote:

So the great WhoopJohn speaks. Who is he I ask? Today's answer to Henry James? Style maketh the man eh. Come off it you pretentious prat you probably wouldn't recognise fine writing if it bit you in the arse.

I don't come here for the fiction.

Thomas D. · **Posted:** 10 Sep 2010 5:21 pm

Quote:

alexius wrote:

So the great WhoopJohn speaks. Who is he I ask? Today's answer to Henry James? Style maketh the man eh. Come off it you pretentious prat you probably wouldn't recognise fine writing if it bit you in the arse.

Now Now, Colin! :roll:

Whats that apposite phrase;
"If you can meet with triumph and disaster and greet those two imposter just the same"

Its awfully important to keep ones dignity at times like this, don't you think?
No sense in railing so oafishly at the bystanders at the cruel injustice of it all.
I always had you down as a Stoic type of chap! :shock:

Chin up old Son!

TD :lol:

Sheila · **Posted:** 10 Sep 2010 6:32 pm

whoop_john wrote:

The Castillon diaries was such a badly-written and ill-conceived crock of nonsense in the first place I am surprised anyone took it seriously. In fact why am I writing this?

I would like to second this quote from W-John and thank young Thorstein yet again for such a thought provoking investigation.

TCP · **Posted:** 10 Sep 2010 10:08 pm

Sheila wrote:

whoop_john wrote:

The Castillon diaries was such a badly-written and ill-conceived crock of nonsense in the first place I am surprised anyone took it seriously. In fact why am I writing this?

I would like to second this quote from W-John and thank young Thorstein yet again for such a thought provoking investigation.

Yeah, me three!

TCP

Renne · **Post subject:** June 17, 1900

The only entry for Emma Calve from the New York Times summer 1900 announces

that Emma Calve plans to retire from singing to become an actress - June 17, 1900.

From http://NYTimes.com

Renne · **Posted:** 11 Sep 2010 12:34 am

1888 May. Milan. Triumph in the Scala with Hamlet.
1890 She creates Cavalleria rusticana in Florence. She sings in Rome, then in Naples.
1891 November: she sang the French premiere of Cavalleria rusticana at the Opéra-Comique in Paris.
1892 Travel in Spain; November: great success in Carmen at the Opéra-Comique.
1893 Carmen in London's Covent Garden, and in Windsor by Queen Victoria. September: she leaves for the United States. Carmen in the Metropolitan Opera in New York, then in Boston, Chicago and Montreal.
1894 July: she buys the medieval castle of Cabrières in the Causses.
1895 October: she creates Massenet's La Navarraise in Paris; Tour in Russia: Sankt-Petersburg, performance in front of the tsar.
1896 November: creation of Massenet's Sapho, with a libretto from a novel of Alphonse Daudet.
1899-1900 Travel in Orient
1902 She creates in the Opéra-Comique Reynaldo Hahn's La Carmélite.
1903 April: Hector Berlioz's La Damnation de Faust.
1904 October: in the Gaîté, Massenet's Hérodiade.
1906 Germany and Austria
1910-1912 Travel around the world
1914 July: Berlin December: 4th tour in the United States
1915 USA
1916 Benefit concerts in Montpellier

I`ve been to the British Library British Newspaper Archive and searched for the entries in "The Graphic" and "The Pall Mall Gazette" May 1900 Emma Calve and there is nothing.

Thorstein is a new member, it is strange that he is so well versed in the Castillon diary saga. This reminds me of when Rain used to suddenly adopt the bombastic diatribe style of Thomas D. Thomas D. has a habit of contacting new members in order to get them to cut and paste for him after getting them all riled up with his hysterical accusations. I`d like to say to all of the supposedly macho members of this forum that your hysteria and cattiness are not at all masculine.

Renne · **Posted:** 11 Sep 2010 12:44 am

Posted: Post subject: "Castillon Diary: Game Over" thread by Thorstein
Dear Moderator,

Thorstein is a new member, it is strange that he is so well versed in the Castillon Diary saga. This reminds me of when Rain used to suddenly adopt the bombastic diatribe style of Thomas D. Thomas D. has a habit of contacting new members in order to get them to cut and paste paragraphs of insults for him after getting them all riled up with his hysterical accusations.

The original post and newspaper clippings in the first entry of this thread are in the style of Thomas D. The clippings are mis-dated intentionally to disprove the Castillon diary. If there are no rules on the forum about getting other members to cut and paste for someone else, there should be. The entire thread is bogus and slanderous and should be removed.

TCP · **Posted:** 11 Sep 2010 12:47 am

Renne wrote:

Thorstein is a new member, it is strange that he is so well versed in the Castillon diary saga.

Translation:

"For a new member, Thorstein certainly brought my airship crashing down with lightning speed!..."

Renne wrote:

This reminds me of when Rain used to suddenly adopt the bombastic diatribe style of Thomas D. Thomas D. has a habit of contacting new members in order to get them to cut and paste for him after getting them all riled up with his hysterical accusations. I`d like to say to all of the supposedly macho members of this forum that your hysteria and cattiness are not at all masculine.

Jill, give it up! It's not as though the entire forum hadn't seen through your charade (yes, YOUR charade, speaking of someone being so well-versed in the "diary") well before Thorstein delivered the coup de grâce. Thomas had already nailed you on the Hotel Boscolo snafu; Alexius had already admitted it was a hoax. Why would you think you'd have any credibility left after your miserable performance was met with such derision? At what point do you begin to process your humiliation? And why are we your captive audience for the final meltdown?

TCP

TCP · **Posted:** 11 Sep 2010 12:50 am

Renne wrote:

Posted: Post subject: "Castillon Diary: Game Over" thread by Thorstein
Dear Moderator,

Thorstein is a new member, it is strange that he is so well versed in the Castillon Diary saga. This reminds me of when Rain used to suddenly adopt the bombastic diatribe style of Thomas D. Thomas D. has a habit of contacting new members in order to get them to cut and paste paragraphs of insults for him after getting them all riled up with his hysterical accusations.

The original post and newspaper clippings in the first entry of this thread are in the style of Thomas D. The clippings are mis-dated intentionally to disprove the Castillon diary. If there are no rules on the forum about getting other members to cut and paste for someone else, there should be. The entire thread is bogus and slanderous and should be removed.

No, "Jill" - YOU are bogus and slanderous and should be removed! :twisted:

TCP

Renne · **Posted:** 11 Sep 2010 1:39 am

We`ll see. Remember when you spent Dec. 2008 to March 2009 telling me that the

translator didn`t exist? You never did apologize for being so wrong. My words are my

own as the words of Alexius are his own. Neither of us wrote the diary of Don Rodrigo.

rain · **Posted:** 11 Sep 2010 4:18 am

Quote:

Thorstein is a new member, it is strange that he is so well versed in the Castillon Diary saga. This reminds me of when Rain used to suddenly adopt the bombastic diatribe style of Thomas D. Thomas D. has a habit of contacting new members in order to get them to cut and paste paragraphs of insults for him after getting them all riled up with his hysterical accusations.

LIAR Another lie Renne, do you really think Thomas contacted me over the Diary considering I've never read it??? I just don't like you because you were behind the threat made against Jake and me (of which I never told him specifically what it was because it turns my stomach). And I'll never forget you did it. And I don't like females that lie straight out. That's really rare. We normally avoid and it's indicative of a deeper disturbance :mrgreen:

I became disturbed by you before because I knew you were going to steal research, I know your M.O. you start asking particularly familiar questions and then voilà an article appears that looks suspiciously like what the forum had been dicussing devoid of any attribution or citation and obviously a poorly constructed Pastiche of paranoid rantings. (see articles on Abbe Gelis and red eyed entities)
So what happened??? Oh yes, not long after you did exactly what I thought you would do - steal research from IBJ and then pretended you spoke on behalf of them.
As far as I'm concerned what is happening to you now, is Kharma. So you put up as many Vietnamese Artworks as you want but you'll never understand it's true meaning. :mrgreen:

Thorstein · **Posted:** 11 Sep 2010 6:03 am

Thorstein wrote:

Speaking of verification, Mary Alice Bennett has complimented me on my photoshop proficiency in a clumsy attempt to insinuate that the news articles I have been providing (all with publication data included!) were cut + paste jobs. I have found further corroboration that Ignacy Paderewski was in America during the castillon account of the house party, and further backs up the British Library's account that he would set sail to Europe from the North American continent on Wednesday, 16 May 1900. Of course I could provide you with the clipping, as I have been doing for YOUR convenience, but if Renne thinks that if an image comes from me it could be tampered with, I will let all of you verify with your own eyes:

New York Times archive record of Paderewski's Carnegie Hall Performance
(URL of the above link: http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr ... 946197D6CF)

Kindly review the above and please report upon what you have seen with your own eyes on this thread if you would like. Then if you are so inclined, go to the British Library's Newspaper Archive (http://newspapers.bl.uk) and on the search form enter the search parameters as follows:

This will generate a list containing the articles I referenced in the first post of this thread. Notice that I have given you the name of publication, date, and issue numbers for all. Please confirm that the articles I referenced are indeed part of the collection of the British Library. If you click on the thumbnail images on the right of each article you will see the word "Calve" highlighted within the text of the article. You will notice there are more articles than I used in my post, and this is because the search also picked up the word "calves" as in "baby cow" and some of these are livestock articles. I ignored these completely. You will also notice that if you try and view the article you will be asked to sign in and create an account. Full access to the articles will cost you £7-8GBP for a 24hr period. If you do not want to pay for whatever reason, don't despair there is at least one article that can be viewed in full for free (and one that i used for my post). This one: The Graphic (London, England), Saturday, May 12, 1900; Issue 1589.

Is any British article I used not part of this archive?? If I can doctor the New York Times archive and the entire British Library's archive I must be very powerful indeed.

Thorstein · **Posted:** 11 Sep 2010 6:22 am

Renne wrote:

The clippings are mis-dated intentionally to disprove the Castillon diary.

Dear Moderator,

The above quote by Renne is a lie. She has questioned the veracity of the British Library articles i found. I have several times now provided the necessary info for ANYONE to recreate and verify my search by providing links and search parameters that will yield the exact results. If there isn't a rule on this forum to prevent people from trying to pass off hoaxes, and thereby making a mockery of this website and the serious RLC researchers remaining, there should be.

I therefore call for the Moderator personally to follow the instructions I have posted to arrive at the British Library archive materials, and if they are found to be "fake", "false", or otherwise "mis-dated" then I ask that this thread be locked and my account be deleted. On the other hand, if the materials I linked are there to be found as described I call for the banning or other appropriate disciplinary action towards Renne for willful misrepresentation and deceit. She dares question my evidence, but she has NEVER provided any single piece of evidence for anyone to evaluate. It's time to face the facts. This farce has gone on long enough.

Renne wrote:

I`ve been to the British Library British Newspaper Archive and searched for the entries in "The Graphic" and "The Pall Mall Gazette" May 1900 Emma Calve and there is nothing.

TCP did also, and found them all. Are you calling him a liar?

BTW Renne, My account may say I'm "new" but I've been reading this forum since 2008. If you didn't know, thousands of anonymous people browse this forum as an account is not requisite to do so. And no, I am not in league with anyone. You sent me a private message long before most people on here did. On the other hand, YOU have been known to invite people to this forum(Lovuian, team castillon, etc..) for the purpose of filling up your side of the bench as Thomas D. pointed out before.

Your ineptitude at research is not surprising, after all it was how you and your cronies managed to slip up and place I. J. Paderewski in Europe during the 14th-18th of May 1900 when he clearly was not. I provide the following link, and ask you to read and then deny in the view of all reading this thread, that:

1.) It is directly from the New York Times, and to be found in its archive.

2.) It is date stamped May 13, 1900 by the NYT at the very bottom of the article.

3.) That it says that Paderewski was to board a ship bound for England on Wednesday, May 16 1900, having played a recital and further mentioning I.J.P. would make an appearance in Newark before sailing.

New York Times archive record of Paderewski's Carnegie Hall Performance
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr ... 946197D6CF

Do not think to utter another word without addressing the above. I know your usual way of conveniently avoiding the questions put to you and trying to divert the conversation elsewhere. Something that Moderator has recently warned is not to take place on threads going forward.

ndawe · **Posted:** 11 Sep 2010 8:25 am

I concur.

I also Ignore - let this madness be spouted in a sound-proofed room.

alexius · **Posted:** 11 Sep 2010 1:08 pm

Hey guys and gals why don't you just arrange a public Diary burning a la Pastor Jones. I detect the same level of bigotry and intolerance hereabouts. Thorstein the Warrior,(played by Arnold Schwarzanegger) his rages are indeed terrible. Believe me the Game as you call it will never be over. Rodrigo Saenz de Castillon lives on. But of course you will soon be turning your puny fire on that noble lady Patrice Chaplin no doubt.

Thomas D. · **Posted:** 11 Sep 2010 2:15 pm

Alexei Dear Alexei,
Where did it all go wrong ?
Didn't you get the respect due for all those years of endeavour in the library? :cry:

Quote:

Hey guys and gals why don't you just arrange a public Diary burning

You may have surmised that the tricky problem here is that one cannot burn something that doesn't exist! :roll:

Quote:

Believe me the Game as you call it will never be over. Rodrigo Saenz de Castillon lives on.

Thats great! If you and MAB can stand the daily humiliation we can stand the aching sides! :lol:

But you wanna watch them grapes they are looking a little sour! :oops:

Surely someone of your erudition and imagination must be able to come up with a better way of passing your declining years? Don't forget to enter the 'Diary' for the Lord Dacre category in this years inaugural Felix awards! Black tie, natch ! :wink:

BTW How were the sisters of Mercy?

TD :lol:

Thorstein · **Posted:** 11 Sep 2010 5:07 pm

alexius wrote:

Believe me the Game as you call it will never be over. Rodrigo Saenz de Castillon lives on.

whoop_john · **Joined:** 08 Jul 2008 12:32 pm **Posts:** 546

ndawe wrote:

I concur. I also Ignore - let this madness be spouted in a sound-proofed room.

This is a very sensible approach. The person in question behind all this nonsense gets all juiced up and excited and feeds of the responses. It creates a frisson. The diary myth is really dead only if we allow it to be so.

Thomas D. · **Posted:** 11 Sep 2010 8:23 pm

Quote:

whoop_john wrote:

ndawe wrote:

I concur. I also Ignore - let this madness be spouted in a sound-proofed room.

This is a very sensible approach. The person in question behind all this nonsense gets all juiced up and excited and feeds of the responses. It creates a frisson. The diary myth is really dead only if we allow it to be so.

I take your point Whoop_john, however rather like yesterdays kippers its an unfortunate taste that repeats periodically. :oops:

Its no great stretch to the simile to portray Colin not as the guilible H T-R but rather the cheap, grubby counterfeitor Konrad Kujau.
Stand up and take a bow Konrad.
By all accounts both diaries had as many flaws, the only advantage Konrads had was that it actually existed in book form.

In fact, why not refer to it hereafter as..................wait for it...............

Konrads Kipper! :oops:

TD

Renne · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2010 12:18 am

The London Emma Calve performance that the royals attended was in 1897,

re: the posted newspaper clipping.

The May 12, 1900 clipping says "probably".

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