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For the benefit of calmer minds and saner thinkers, I propose a slightly modified approach. If the math world of of cyberspace when a decision of a yes-no situation comes up, be it a '1' or '0 ' an algorhythm is created to allow for which path a given chain of connected answers can go.

In this new modified paradigm, the forum at large can create this algorhythm simply by voting informally on the validity of any given proposition. When posing info under this set up, each post has to haver its own built-in summation which expects agreement or disagreement.

I predict in a short span of time, if for say Roscoe can civilly produce a connected series of rational arguments with supporting reasons and a summarization of same, follow up posts can assess his take. If he gets no additional affirmation or negation to that which he posts that conceptualization will be put on hold and another series of connected argumentation can ensue.

here is where I would like to start...

Is there a reference from Sauniere himself that he either saw or was aware of the existence of the crista? Where is the proof of this notion? From what I am able to glean from the previous crista threads is that this episode revolves entirely around what Cherisey alludes to. The summarization here bein' is Cherisey's mention of this Sauniere connection to the crista backed up with any proof?

Just telling me to re-read every previous post is a NO-brainer, IMHO. The crux of all of this depends on Rogers' bein' able to back up what he sez 'boot the crista, yes? That aspect has definitely not been made in the previous crista topic.

I see that this redux has been read by several folks and may have given them a new vantage point to assess this as well as any aspect of the RLC enigma.

I don't think the crista is a totally dead issue, it certainly needs to be seen in its present implications, which were not that well delineated previously, namely, the circle of folks Sauniere associated with, be it La Sanch, Martinists, cathar revivalists, fella occult death cultists, etc.

If any mention of the crista evolves from within these circles, the previous heated discussions 'boot the crista will have been vindicated. Methinx Tingra moreso than Roger has lot more current info on this matter due to her passion for all things related to Girona.

of course you could make it very simple by saying "if you don't like, it don't read it"

well Davinho, if ya go by the total number of hits the crista topic got, that's a lot of interest , yes? Folk who went out to kill it off out of spite will have to come up with their own reason to exist, yes?

Its called an existential crisis. The forum has its 'existentialists' who are alive, IMHO, simply 'cuz the forum topics give them a reason to wake up the next day and see which windmill they gotta tilt. Me? I wanna see how Sauniere got so filthy rich, yet so impoverished in that cultural backwater he dwelt in.

You crept in and out of all sorts of nooks + crannies there, so you have 1st hand knowledge 'boot that area. After yer sojourn there did ya come away with more questions than answers?

Probably what we need to get free of this Crista Groundhog Day situation Hugo are a few more entries from the Castillon Diary.

Before I went I was leaning towards the sceptical view - from experience my thinking is that things tend to be far more "down to earth" then not
but when you actually go there and see the splendour of Saunieres domain the questions and the wonder resurface. I'm afraid this is one mystery that will never be solved IMO. I wanted to dismiss it but seeing things first hand has prevented that. I fear old Henry Lincoln came to that conclusion a while back and realises he will go to his grave none the wiser then when he first set out on his journey 40 years ago.
In saying that I'm back there on the 22nd September to do some more exploring. There's always the chance I may find something even if it's a few old coins

the crista thread is locked...



and...



i have great respect for you and you know this...
people are asking questions because you prompted them to!

tingra is a grown woman who does not need you to close a thread to protect her from her own retaliatory behaviour!

roscoe is not just starting to be insulting! he has always insulted...

how many insults came from the "team crista"?

seriously...

this is a huge mess that was not handled well. the fact that at your request, a thread can be closed...now rather than earlier when the spamming and insults were at their peak indicates a level of control over information dissemination that borders manipulation.

in fact, this whole genre (i.e., rlc etc)...is manipulated. new comers need to know this...

the thread was closed because???

surely the person that created the thread has the option to have it closed if they want?

It's certainly an interesting notion about the locked thread.
I suppose everyone will make up their own mind as to whether it had anything to do with Roscoe's behavior or was that just an excuse ?
Some might conclude that it was a handy mechanism for Team Crista to seek protection from questions they wouldn't or couldn't answer.
Maybe the creaking edifice was about to crumble after all?

Who can say?

TD

Edited to remove the laughter icon. As Paula rightly says, this is a serious matter !

The crista will raise itself from the dead...and then you will be believe.

Look into my eyes....

Maybe I should remove the shades first.

SECONDED!

TCP

no need to anyone tim!!!

nothing is funny about all of this!!!

Please forgive me, I just feel that we (the forum at large) have been manipulated into the position of sacrificing a really good discussion. Whether the manipulation was conscience on the part of the players, is yet to be seen. Considering the item in question, IT may have played a part in all of this...who knows for certain?

Restore your respect for one-another until everything is known....please.

stop laughing please!
it is this kind of in your face behaviour that truly turns this place in a free-for-all!!!

So you didn't consider it was disrespectful when it was suggested the other day that we weren't being given all the info on the Relic because we are all too stupid to understand?

TD

In my innocence I thought that this Forum was a free for all.

Let's see if a genuine redux can ensue. So far no posts positing a yea or nay to any aspect of the crista as it was discussed previously. Tingra was, IMHO, doin' a pretty good job of clarifyin' subtle points she didn't take up previously.

Roger threw the spanner in the works by admittin' he just foisted a red-herring for chuckles + grins. I actually appreciated Sandy's explanation of Cherisey's part in all of this. I saw that as the best approach from the present day.

Who cares which way the warp + weave went on the labarum, or which sort of dyes were used to imprint an image on a battle banner that we will never get to see. The modern take, as supposedly attributed to Sauniere is what Roger calls somethin' repugnant, which in red-herringese is a pre book launch tie-in to a death cult of some sort, which may or not be Church sanctioned.

It was at this point, the crista krew threw in the towel. It sho' wasn't Roscoe's plaintive wail, 'cuz the topic is up and roillin' again. So, who has a current research project under way that is based on anything in the RLC arena? I assume Ben + Bill have their own 'thang' in progress, which I see as extremely positive. Who knows maybe a surreptitious reference was planted by Cherisey for sum buddy to find

Davinho is gonna do his 'thang' down there, good man Davinho. I am still waitin' for the observations of Ms Crow, Its always interestin' to get a newbies wrinkle.

BTW, Paula, lighten up, cantcha see the difference 'tween Romper Room for kiddies and the big step up to kindergarten? Its gonna take them redneck + rowdies some time to get used to bein' in adult company. What tired + cranky kid doesn't throw a tantrum when they don't get their way? Consider the source, it'll make ya feel better knowin' that.

Tom D's take here...it was suggested the other day that we weren't being given all the info on the Relic because we are all too stupid to understand?

My take is, the crista krew ran out of info and had no choice but tó throw the towel in. Alexius made a nifty suggestion, which tells me he has a'nuvver approach to Sauniere's machinations. Since he said it in a tongue in cheek fashion, that is a hint it will allow speculation 'boot the crista.

This is a clever handling of the RLC topic for the purpose of gaining the upper hand in a controversial situation - Rome in the the realm of the
Da Vinci Code. The Crista is a powerful bejeweled pagan - church relic once obtained by Sauniere and now hidden by the Catholic Church, which gives them authority over the RLC subject. It is their checkmate in the age-old game of superiority in the contest between Rome and the Templars - presented here by their agent (agents) who is not going to give you any more information. However, what you seek is out there....

Ya know Renne yer take is really interestin'. It makes Roger come across like a Curia plant out trolling to see who bit the bait he cast out. He said that in his round about manner, but not mentioning the Curia in the process. I was ROTFLMAO when he said there will be no The Rise sequel, and then what happens? ... the topic gets locked.

Now that is what I call bein' a real drama quean to the max.

So, now its redux time and look for a way to assemble what is cogent and apply it to what is applicable to Sauniere.

Writing another chapter of the Castillon Diary, Mary Alice?

TCP

[quote="Hugo Furst"]

Tom D's take here...it was suggested the other day that we weren't being given all the info on the Relic because we are all too stupid to understand?

Jake makes sense here,Roger does seem to enjoy belittling people even refering to them as idiots and morons..but nobody seems to give him a hard time over it....he needs to realize not all forum members have the access,and connections to the information he evidently does,nor do we think exactly like him,unfortunately...No offense Roger,just how I see it.As far as name calling and sarcastic emocons go,as someone said before Sticks and Stones...or as I prefer to think if it`s that offensive to ya maybe it`s time to move on to a knitting forum

He who possesses the Crista is the king, isn`t that how it goes?

They say it was the source of Sauniere`s wealth and that it is a power object

and that they have it, which makes them the supreme power/ruler. Whatever the RLC camp

has, whether Mary Magdalene, Leonardo Da Vinci, etc. they trump it with the Crista. IBJ`s most revealing

Crista article was not published on the forum, and it was illustrated. IBJ himself is being prevented from saying more

about it, he gave his information and the drawing freely and did not reserve it for a money-making publication.

Neither Alexius nor I wrote the Castillon Diary, Don Rodrigo wrote it.

Sure, whatever...

TCP

Yo C Ghost , ya came close here dude, but not 100% as I will explain why...

...Jake makes sense here,Roger does seem to enjoy belittling people even refering to them as idiots and morons..but nobody seems to give him a hard time over it...

Well, ole Jake has been a thorn in his side these past few years 'cuz of Rogers' pompous postulations. Every time Roger unloads a red-herring I take him to task for it. He gets caught out every time, yes? I guess it comes from what he inherited ... as the sayin' goes...there but for the Grace of God go you and i. IMHO its called consider the source.

I already mentioned the 2 kinds of folk on the planet and Roger falls into the wish he was portion, but fate decided other wise, so he relegated to bein' merely a Frenchie, which OÎ can't be blamed for. Nor can I be blamed for all the stereotypical idiosyncrasies the French enveloped themself in these past 2,000 years

Just like a devout Talmudnik is commanded to say 'pon awakening every morning... thank God i wasn't born a woman, the Irish could just as easily say... thank God i wasn't born French. Besides, sum buddy has to be unfortunate to be French, yes?

Have ya ever wondered why every deleterious 'ism' that arose in the past 1,000 years can be attributed to France? My take is the crista is a'nuvver 1 of these infamous 'isms', 'cuz chrism is associated with the crista.

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