Arcadia Discussion Zone

he so ruled...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD-J1l_uEOI&NR=1

when i saw him...

last post...
so sorry if i have over-stepped...

Thank you very much Paula.

I remember a talk on another thread we had some weeks ago, it was about hell and a personified satanic figure like f.i. Sheitan. I remember you there, Sheila. I still am with Socrates and glad to be there. Are you still sicking to religion?
Thanks for that article, Sheila.
I understand now why the unknown crop circle makers use fractal geometry to deliver messages of creation.

It's a beautiful article, Sheila although I can't help feeling a bit of melancholy after.

Crimson Dove - I love the music, James Blunt is a bit of a charmer although i think sometimes too much from all reports.

TEARS AND RAIN How could I not like the song.

Really, there is something to be said for the beautiful world we do live in.
And to rejoice in our life.
Our families, our friends, etc etc.

Its not all doom and gloom.

Be grateful for the life you do have, and thank whoever that you arent in Pakistan right now, or that you arent Palestinian ....

yes, maam I will certainly do that.

for you, Sandy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgPy3o_ML94

yes, maam I will certainly do that.

Sorry : )

Im just sitting here, with an early morning coffee, beautiful beautiful sunny morning, at this bay window of my house, working on the Journal, lots of good and exciting things to look forward to -- and i realise how lucky i am.

And how wonderful the world can be ; )

btw - in England, James Blunt really irritated people, so much so that he was known as James ---- (insert a very very bad word which ryhmes with Blunt)

I find it curious that during his final six to eight months on this earth, he thought to design and patent two different types of glass cutter. I shouldn't think this would be on most peoples '10 things to do before I die' list!

VAM

Well, this was his job and I guess he liked his job. Perhaps he wanted to "paint his masterpiece" or leave something remarkable behind?

Necromancy ... -> John Dee ...

John Dee had read all available books, I'm sure. He should have found ancient traces. Maybe he even was in posession of the Geminae Cristae?

a charmer indeed! wonder if his guitar is the lyre in disquise
one needs to be a good charmer in the underworld

so happy that you have lovely moments like this one
i am enjoying my coffee this morning and would agree...at this moment.

didn't need to read about the rhyme though

Certain processes start a short while after death.
Is it possible that a person is dead for 90 minutes, no heart beats at all, getting stiff slowly, and then is back alive?
A physician (hey doc RS) would deny I guess.

Do we really need a doctor to answer that?

VAM

I NEVER, in all my years in my job, EVER saw a patient where rigor mortis had set in, and then they later came back to life.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... html?cat=5

i've heard about young children who drowned in freezing waters who were ressusitated after over an hour....and what about the so called "Lazarus syndrome"...extremely rare but there are 38 cases throughout the world.

makes one think huh?

these are the documented cases...albeit, one never knows about tribes and clans that have no "doctors"... and no "science" if you will...

Same thing says my wife who worked same profession for 3 decades.

BUT: This Mellen-Thomas is very much alive. And there's his caretaker who watched the instruments carefully after he had died. This leaves it all to a simple miracle.

http://www.cryonics.org/surgery.html


"When an organism is suspended its biological processes cannot do anything wrong,"

Or a simple con!

VAM

i've heard about young children who drowned in freezing waters who were ressusitated after over an hour....and what about the so called "Lazarus syndrome"...extremely rare but there are 38 cases throughout the world.

This is because the temperature of the water is so cold that the body processes/functions slow right down, and although the body looks dead, it isnt. Therefore there is a legal body temperature to meet, before you can diagnose death.

Therefore casualty departments have to bring the body temperature up to the legal level, to see if body function resumes ...

When i worked in Accident & Emergency whenever a body was bought in from drowning or hypothermia, i remember one time we had to do CPR for about 5 hours (the staff rotated it in turns, we even had to get nurses down from the wards) or however long it took to bring the body back to the normal and legal temperature - just in case the person wasnt actually dead.That is why lots of resuscitations in these instances can be successful.

The Lazarus effect: look up how difficult it can be to diagnose death. I can pronounce life extinct, and had to do training for it....you would be amazed at the cases of misdiagnosis. In other words, they were diagnosed dead but were not in actual fact dead.

There is a case of 2 qualified doctors pronouncing death on a woman - but the patient wakes up in the morgue three days later!!! She was not dead in the first place, she had a rare genetic disorder which mimicked death.

And i still stand by what i said - if proper rigor mortis has set in, they do not come back to life. I have never seen it.

Quotes from NDE Experts

P.M.H. Atwater, Researcher and Author of “Beyond the Light,” in which Mellen’s advanced skills are discussed.

“The near-death experience of Mellen-Thomas is the only one I have yet come across where an individual willfully changed the episode’s scenario as it was actually happening. what impresses me the most about Mellen-Thomas is that he dedicated many years, not only to understanding the phenomenon’s after effects, but to controlling and training his newly expended psychic faculties. by opting for discipline instead of notoriety, and keeping himself firmly grounded in the practicality of patented invention, he is now emerging as a clear and steady voice… a solution finder… ready to tackle the most vexing problems of the global community.”


Lee Pulos, Ph.D., Author of “Miracles and Other Realities,” Former President of the Canadian Society of Clinical Hypnosis and Senior Psychologist to the Olympic Team Canada.

“Mellen is able, while in trance, to see into microcosmic structures. although he maintains awareness in a hyper-alert state, it is clear that he is able to simultaneously span several octaves of consciousness, from which he can acquire biological information that is extraordinary.”


Dr. Kenneth Ring, Author of “Heading Toward Omega; The Omega Project”

“Mellen-Thomas has the big picture.”
“His story is one of the most remarkable I have encountered in extensive research on near-death experiences. It is very rare that those who have died and returned have seen into the future to the extent that Mellen has. His vision of the future is one of hope. He has participated in studies of a Major University, where he contributed to understanding the structure of genes and chromosome coding for a genetic disease, while researchers puzzled over how he could have access to this information.”


Dr. Janice Holden, with the University of North Texas and president of International Association of near-death Studies (IANDS).

"Mellen-Thomas, under hypnosis, was able to give accurate information about and draw the genetic makeup of a rare neuromuscular disease. I was astounded by this. It’s not the kind of thing where one could cheat."

a heads up to TCJ thanks mate.

Here I am guys, sorry, have been a bit busy. The above article is interesting, and as Sandy will attest, difficult to explain events occur frequently in these settings, particularly when people are dying.
I would question the veracity of the article on the point of rigor mortis setting in....if hypothermia were indeed employed to help preserve tissue, the decreased temperature would in fact DELAY rigor mortis. But it is not inconceivable that the story is basically factual. I would also question the period of time elapsing between collapse and the arrival of the paramedics, people's estimates in these situations are notoriously inaccurate. Permanent brain damage can ensue within four to seven minutes of oxygen deprivation. Did the relatives employ CPR? This is not mentioned. Even poorly practised CPR will provide some help. And there is no absolute need to breathe into the person, the negative pressure produced by sternal recovery after compression sucks in a little air, as long as the airway is patent. There are some interesting studies coming out of Japan suggesting that in the future, sternal compression only may be all that is required for CPR.
The success rate for CPR alone is dismal, about 25% tops. But when combined with advanced life support...IV access, DC countershock, cardiotropic drugs and so on much better.
But any attempt is better than none, and if the person is an organ donor, for obvious reasons, so much the better.
And if you don't relish the idea of breathing into a collapsed or injured person, ensure the airway( this is primo) and just employ cardiac compression.