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Let me revive some old theories:

On another thread I wrote:
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A very special place, this basilica in L'Èpine, near Chalons-sur-Marne. Victor Hugo spent some hours in there when visiting, and in Jan Potockis book "The Saragossa m´Manuscript" it is mentioned to house a secret.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manusc ... _Saragossa

In the 60's that book was turned into a polish movie:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sarago ... %28film%29
... and Jerry Garcia and Martin Scorcese spent lots of money to get it restored.

In 1990 I checked out Potocki's secret and visited L'Èpine.
What I found would be nourishment for Magdheads: in the Chapel of Magdalene you'll find the head of Jesus right above the word "Ste. Madelene" on a stone altar ... and the M is done like a circle and has a dot in it's center which looks like a freemason's sign.

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[quote="Eginolf"]Let me revive some old theories:

On another thread I wrote:
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A very special place, this basilica in L'Èpine, near Chalons-sur-Marne. Victor Hugo spent some hours in there when visiting, and in Jan Potockis book "The Saragossa m´Manuscript" it is mentioned to house a secret.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manusc ... _Saragossa

In the 60's that book was turned into a polish movie:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sarago ... %28film%29
... and Jerry Garcia and Martin Scorcese spent lots of money to get it restored.

In 1990 I checked out Potocki's secret and visited L'Èpine.
What I found would be nourishment for Magdheads: in the Chapel of Magdalene you'll find the head of Jesus right above the word "Ste. Madelene" on a stone altar ... and the M is done like a circle and has a dot in it's center which looks like a freemason's sign.

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I'm waiting excitedly, Eginolf.

I would have sent them to you but you didn't reply. So I choose to put it online. I still have to find a place to upload them and then post it.

BTW.
A Basilica always houses a relic. In the case of L'Èpine ... we sent a mail there and Soeur Gabrielle answered that there sure once was a relic but it is gone now and they even don't know WHAT IT WAS.



It seems to me that Count Potocki knew more than Soeur Gabrielle ...

Sorry Eginolf, I was thinking about my privacy on my email address. I should of replied, again I apologise for my procrastination on the answer. I do look forward to the pictures.

Roscoe scared me with story of that girl that got stalked. Yes, Roscoe I do listen to you sometimes and as you know I try and be careful with security.

Whatever makes you sleep better ...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/89697279@N00/4551168977/

See the strange M at Marie? And the small one at Magdalen?
The church was finished in 1414 - exactly 100 years after the knight templar's order was dissolved. But that stone altar was done in 1842, more than 4 centuries LATER.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/89697279@N00/4551168977/sizes/z/
"Altare bte. Marie magdalen 1842"

There's a Green Man on the left side of Jesus and there's a Green Man on the right side of Jesus:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/89697279@N00/4551169327/

Here's the whole thing - with Jesus in the middle lane:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/89697279@N00/4551169591/

That's the "Chapel de Magdelene" in a church consecrated to the Magdalene: There are 5 chapels behind the main altar. One of them is the one of the Magdalene. And it was always locked. To get closer and see the inscription you gotta jump over a little door.

You must be the only one.

The story is true by the way. The whole episode became quite compelling and disturbing for a while.

I love the internet, it has opened up the human race to each other for the first time in our history. Unfortunately it includes the dark side as well. Watch out.

Lincoln Imp

On the side of Lincoln Cathedral


The Green Man in Rosslyn Chapel


The Green Man - Part of the Morris Dance tradition. Although they should be called Mummers

The Green Man of Scotland and Ireland written by Liz o'Driscoll whose husband was a close friend of Philippe de Cherisey we are told.

The pub in the film The Wicker Man was called The Green Man. Of course it's all fiction. Isn't it?

Liz o'Driscoll has openly said that the Druids practice of human sacrifice was done to offset us killing animals for food and putting the balance back into nature. So it's OK, in her view.

I'll not be going to the Castle Matrix, I may not be seen again. Named after the Gaelic Goddess Matrona (according to Sean o'Driscoll that is). Situated in Eire named after the Matron Goddess Ériu. Ériu's husband was Mac Gréine (‘Son of the Sun’)

But nothing to do with La Vraie Langue Celtique et le Cromlech de Rennes les Bains. Or so THEY would have us believe.


Gaston Jourdanne: Contribution to the Folklore of the Aude, 1900

Then of course we have the Glastonbury Thorn. Home of the English Grail stories.

Source? Right here.

Or "Djaun" and "Djahaun" - Janus and Janna to the Etruscans (zh sound), Zeus to the Greeks, Deus Pater or Jupiter to the Romans; to the Basques, Jaun Goikoa, Lord of the Forest, the Horned God akin to Cernunnos, Kerne, or Herne



Celts didn't build the RLB cromleck, or the dolmens and standing stone circles in the Pyrenees; according to their own legends, they were built by a race far older than their own, called the Mairu.

Basques.

TCP

This thread is NOT about the Green Man. Go and hi-jack another thread, Rosskopf, and stay outta here!

Hmm! Better tell Boudet that. What is your point exactly? Perhaps you can point out to me precisely where I said they did?

Any chance of you making a deal on this?

If only YOU practiced what you preach.

Notre Dame de l'Epine former Druidic Temple.

Thanks for posting this, Eginolf. Never heard of the Saragossa Manuscript before, I'm intrigued ! And "Captain Trips" financed a restoration of the movie ? As a sometime Dead-Head this is new stuff to me !

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http://cgi.ebay.de/THE-SARAGOSSA-MANUSCRIPT-OF-/130355138131?cmd=ViewItem&pt=DE_DVDs&hash=item1e59c58e53
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The films creates a magical, sometimes disturbing world of the supernatural so it's no surprise that this was a counterculture classic and Jerry Garcia's favourite. Garcia, along with Scorsese, put up the money to have the film fully restored. In a gloriously convoluted structure, characters pop in and out of each other's stories with the random-logic of a drug-trip. (...)





but there's more than just this!

f.i.
Count Potocki was in Rome around 1803, IIRC. I guess he met Chateaubriand and some other fellas .. ... naturellement!

I watched a DVD of the Saragossa Manuscript film last month. Deserving of the praise heaped upon it. I -put me in mind of both the 1001 Nights and Candide funnily enough.

In what manner Pilrig? Would you have a review up your sleeve? I would love to read it if you have and have you read the book, if so how would you compare the adaption?

Lots of questions, I know but I'm facisnated by it all. It sounds really interesting and I would like to find time to really have a look at it but I would like to know if it's worth it.

Not a review, I compared it to the 1001 Nights for all the inter-related tales, and Candide, perhaps because of all the unfortunate things happening, the characters seem be of cheerful dispostion.

I think it's worth a purchase - maybe not to everybody's taste. OK it's not a Holywood blockbuster, but it is a ripping yarn of sorts and least it engages the mind. Have to admit this is the only Polish film I remember seeing, and mind, it was made when Poland was truly behind the Iron Curtain.

Forgot to add that I haven't read the book !

I'll try and find it. I remember martin scorsese describing a black and white film of St Francis of assisi and without his description I wouldn't have been so moved by the scenes described.
He has an extraordinary insight into movies and elevates them far above their common stations. If Mr. Scorsese and you recommend this movie - I will definitely try and find it.

I can buy the book but I might struggle to find the movie.
Thank-you Pilrig and Eginolf.

The DVD was an easy find on ebay.
The book has got 900 pages (in german) and was a boring read. I had to fight through it, waiting for something to happen that would explain it all.
But this never happens.

Let's not forget that it was written 210 years ago, a decade after the french revolution.

The only thing I found in that book was ... that secret in the church of L'Èpine.
BUT:
WHAT is the secret? When I went there I found an altar plinth with the face of Jesus and the name Marie Madeleine beneath it. That plinth was put there in 1842, but Potocki wrote about a secret in 1803.
I still don't know if there's something else there or if Potocki just made it up - after all it is a novel.

Perhaps he knew something ... and 40 years later that strange plinth was erected.

finding mm's in the center of something....hhmmm okay. Maybe Roscoe isn't so far off.

In the center of Scotland sits the Fortingall Yew...some say the oldest tree in Britain.
http://iberianature.com/britainnature/the-oldest-tree-in-britain/

Fortingall and Grandtully both have churches to St. Mary. The church in Grandtully has a really interesting mural on the ceiling. (pregnant angels and what not)
http://www.sacredconnections.co.uk/Sacredconnectionstours/p4stmarych.htm

The graveyard at St. Mary's in Fortingall is rumored to have Templar Knights there.
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=St.%20Mary's%20Church%20fortingall&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1003&bih=563

5 miles to the north of the Yew tree is Mount Schiehallion the fairy hill of the Caledonians...the very center of the scotland mainland.

This is the homeland of the Máel Muire; 'servant of [St.] Mary' in Old Irish.
Clan Donnachaidh

They are the underground stream...the Robertson's of Struan (struan means stream)...the Kindred of St. Columba, King Robert the Bruce's protection.

My green man is older than yours



This is a Scythian artifact.

Now, let us look at the second paragraph of the Declaration of Arbroath...

I bought it from Amazon (UK) - no probs at all.