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Ramondo de Perillos y roccafull fut le 64e grand maître de l'ordre des Hospitaliers de Saint-Jean de Jérusalem, plus connu sous le nom d'ordre de Malte. Pour mémoire, au moment des faits, nous sommes à la fin du XVIIe siècle quand il exerce son poste de manière exemplaire et quasiment unique dans l'histoire de l'ordre.
A l'origine, il ne s'agit pas d'un descendant de sang, ou par alliance, des familles de Périllos. Dans le 'CASAS 25L' (ALD d'Espagne), il est montré qu'en réalité on peut couper le nom en deux car ce Raimondo est originaire de la famille des Roccafull et acquiert, moyennant deniers, le nom de Périllos qu'il ajoute légalement à son nom avec sans doute le titre nobiliaire qui va avec...
Nous noterons que l'achat d'un titre ou d'un nom est alors possible (encore aujourd'hui en Espagne) sous réserve que la famille soit éteinte. Il faut donc supposer que les Périllos ne sont plus de ce monde alors que nous les pensions partis en Espagne suite au rattachement du Roussillon à la couronne de France. Est-ce bien ce qu'il s'est passé où y a t-il autre chose ?
Still getting it ALL wrong! After first claiming that this fellow waqs the lord of Perillos, and that he was buried there (secretly, according to them), they now claim he "bought the title"!
Well... maybe five more years will do it and they'll finally get it right? Somehow, I doubt it.
Oh, lordie... who packed this baloney into its very thin skin?
The disposition of the viscounty of Périllos is well documented and not at all hard to follow. It passed to a daughter, Francina, married to a man called Pere de Toreillas. They had two daughters, Aldoncina and Agraïda. Aldoncina married a man named Guillaume de Carmain; Agraïda married a man called Giner de Rabasa. Two branches established: Carmain-Périllos and Rabasa-Périllos, later spelled Perellos. The former held the property from the early 1470s until about 1491, when Guillaume de Carmain ran afoul of Ferdinand of Aragon. It was confiscated and given to Giner de Rabasa. Raymond de Perellos Roccafull (or Roquefeuil) was the direct descendant of Giner and Agraïda, in fact his older brother, who held the title
Vizconde de Perellos was named Giner. That line went extinct in 1852.
This is not rocket science and I cannot believe for a moment that Douzet is so inept that he can't read. This is deliberate obfuscation on his part designed to create a "real" claim for some of his former neighbors in Durban - people who are descended from a French branch of the Toreillas family styled "Treilles" or "Treilhes" named Gléon de Durban, one of whom in the 1700s styled himself
Vicomte de Périllos although he never got approval for it. Joseph de Gléon de Durban was a Toreillas descendant
and a Carmain descendant
but not a descendant of Guillaume de Carmain and Aldoncine de Toreillas; he was also the uncle by marriage of a Carmain heiress from another branch entirely, married to a Bruyères-Chalabre. He died childless and none of his relatives ever picked up his non-existent claim to a title he had no legal right to bear.
This is getting beyond ridiculous.
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