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or more...odd stuff...


i keep researching the site i mentioned gosh, now where was it...?
oh, the crista site...
french and english 'translations' are different...
i think that it is there...
as all blends together no?

Sheila the link ya gave explained the -anus part of that concept, the 1st bein' old woman, hag. If used in that context when that place originated why do folk insist on only 1 take. Most words have multiple meanings, yes?

No buddy is around today who can state with dogmatic certainty what those ancient pagan-heathens did on a hill full of olde wimmen. They may have been the wiccans of their time, yes?

It was a swamp if ya recall with a hill in the midst of it, don't necessarily mean they were offered up as sacrifices to whatever city god was in vogue at that time. The Mithra bit came later on.

Now, back to why Sion in Switzerland got its handle. If ya listen to spoken Yiddish, spoken Swiss German, spoken Dutch they sound nearly the same, tells me this Germanic dialect that came from the east along with the rest of the migratory waves were influenced by surrounding folk groups.

The French were supposedly Germanic Franks, yet today sound like a lo-Turkic, lo-Greek, lo-Latin mishmash. The Franks may have won politically, but the lo-life origins of French as spoken and obviously absorbed by the keltic remnants after Attila decimated most of them, meant the Teutonic dialects German, Dutch, Alemannic Swiss German, Yiddish were not contaminated in the same fashion as a bastardized lingo like French.

Who were relegated as bein' the money traders as a group?, certainly not Geneva gnomes, chargin' interest was usury and was frowned on, yet, 1 Germanic speakin' group thrived on that biz. Switzerland mountains gave them a secure base to expand their ops, yes?

Sion was definitely a very appropriate choice of a name. The fact spoken Yiddish and spoken Swiss German are so similar tells me Swiss German was directly influenced by Yiddish, regardless of what kind of debunkin' fairy tale Roger offers in defense. He ain't got no proof, all he sez is do research, all I say is listen to these folks speak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cdHFvpl ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DomcdiIkQuY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0agMAxUZqDo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyN5bz1x ... re=related

Ever wonder how anglo-saxon became english, here's how...its called the hard way... it didn't come easy, thanks to the French.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUT-wEpQ ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-t2xvjkNpY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xJkSIFq ... re=related

Here a sample of how French got in the act...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTDKZ5rHrvQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPkJANZ3 ... re=related

Here is a sample of Sion...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKDqevqkeiY

The point I make is guttural languages, associated with Teutonic, Hebraic, Arabic, don't sound any way near like nasal French. The French have their own mish-mash of blended guttural sounds, but its predominantly irritatingly nasal just like most oriental languages it imitates.

Vates

Discusses the book called:

The Viking Serpent.

4 mins on youtube

Watch it online

Trondheim - Originally called Nederus meaning Wisdom of the Serpent

Roger, in those perilous times of olde, where else would a persecuted money lender set up shop? Who was 1st to occupy that location? the monastics of that day or the money lenders of that time? It takes money to finance the building of these places, so where did the founders of Sion, Switzerland get there funding from? The same can be asked in regards to any large scale municipal building project in medieval Europe.

Ya didn't come to grips with the lingo bit Roger. Is that 'cuz yer biased against all things German? Since yer sorta Swiss ya should be fluent in the 3 main tongues of Switzerland, yes? The Romansch dialect was definitely a parochial 'thang' along with Yiddish.

BTW, Roger, Yiddish is a state acknowledged language here in Sweden, for very obvious reasons. Its part of the familial hegemony of most queans of Sweden.

Roger, this is what I found and answers part of my query, in that location is the oldest Catholic diocese in Switzerland, but Wiki sez the Sion handle comes from a french translation of a celtic name translated into German which was latinized.

So yer answer at best is typical, close, but no real cigar, just the smoked out butt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_of_Sion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sion,_Switzerland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduni
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nantuates

http://doc.rero.ch/lm.php?url=1000,43,1 ... 96-007.pdf

interesting 5 pages of etymological stuff on Sedenum and the Sédunes/Seduni...mentions "sidhean"/fairy hill as well.
Sidheán [sheeaun], a fairy hill; sheean, shean, sion...

a fairy mount eh?

Roger I dun thunk dubya was the only pseudo-aristocrat to be born with a silver foot in his mouth, the other ensconced in his sigmoid colon.

I went to the trouble of lettin' the forum know that yer response was so parsimonious it'd starve a fly.

I did find some interestin' links to other pseudo wanna-be aristocrats who make the world go round, rather unpleasantly at times.

This guy, an escapee from France did his best to let the world know 'boot these pretentious wanna-be's...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilaire_Belloc
http://forum.stirpes.net/judaism/16354- ... links.html

and this Canadian...
http://www.henrymakow.com/englands_jewi ... cracy.html
http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/

for Sheila's beloved Scotland...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... n_Scotland

as ya know Roger, there are other actual Jews like the guy who runs ziopedia who keep the Belloc tradition goin' by illustrating the difference 'tween Zion.ists, and Judaism.

That's why I asked 'boot a possible zion-ist infiltration of this place in Switzerland. Lenin + Hertzl certainly found Switzerland to be a haven for their activities.

Couple of wee snippets for the terminally ignorant.

The theme, introduced by Sheila, is snakes



The pentagram in Norway explained in this film. http://motionempire.com/Watch_The_VIking_Serpent_-2008-_Documentary_Online_for_Free_93583.html

In the centre of the pentacle is a church.


This one.
dedicated to St Thomas. He of the Gnostic Gospel fame. It's covered in serpents.

Here's another snippet.

Louis Charpentier, who wrote The mystery of Chartres Cathedral, says in his introduction that he first became interested in this subject when he was asked to investigate why animals behaved strangely close to stone circles -

Particularly snakes.

...or dragons....aka.

La Tarasque
Le Coulobre
Le Drac
Le Graouly
La Gargouille
La Guivre
Le Basilic
La Grand'Goule
and not forgetting Babaos.

...

Or Sugaar/Maju, who came before the rest...

TCP

aha...."flamme du feu"....i'm off to rifle through some pages.

"Signalons, par probité intellectuelle (et dussions-nous peiner nos amis sédunois), que leur Sion, leur cher Sion, n'est pas le seul au monde. Sans parler du célèbre Sion sémitique de Jérusalem, qui n'a, bien sûr, rien à voir avec le celtique ni avec l'indo-européen, saluons: en Haute-Savoie un Syon (ou Sion), en Meurthe-et-Moselle un village Sion dans la commune de Saxon-Sion, en Loire-Atlantique un Sion-les-Mines, qui, tous, comme notre Sion valaisan, fleurent bon le celtique.

"Enfin, et ceci est particulièrement intéressant, il existe en Irlande un Sion, issu d'une forme gaélique «sidhean» (à prononcer *sheeawn), où l'on retrouve le vieil-irlandais «sid» («sith») signalé plus haut, avec le sens de «hauteur habitée par des êtres surnaturels», et traduit sans hésitation, par les spécialistes insulaires, «a fairy mount» («une hauteur... féerique»)15. Laissons-nous envoûter, et enrichissons notre Sion valaisan de ce quatrième sens possible (avec un clin d'oeil complice aux deux belles «hauteurs», dignes de loger toutes les bonnes fées de la création, Valère et Tourbillon, qui gardent bien leur secret...)..."

You should look into "sarrassines" and "mouras", Sheila; I think you'd find a lot of useful info.

TCP

Herensuge is the name for the Basque dragon. So why did Teodosio de Goñi pray to the Archangel St Michael and not to God when the dragon entangled his ankles?

Suge (serpent) + ar (male).

I suppose because Teodosio de Goñi was a Christian.



Snake god with a goddess consort (Mari) who dwells in caves. Interesting "primal" imagery...

TCP

Or Woevres.

Yes Dagobert II murdered during the Winter Solstice in the Foret des Woëvres

Jehan l'Ascuiz uses the term Des Woëvres Rouges in his poems.

"We must cut off the head of the dragon"

The phrase Blanche de Castille used when she ordered the attack on Montsegur.

Mont SEGUR. Eventually breached by Basques

I prefer su (feu) + gar (flamme), signifiant dans ce cas flamme du feu.

and Herensuge was Sugaar's mate...there were two.

indeed...Woëvres as well...i was just naming some French ones.

and if he'd known that the winged celestial visitor which was called "Sosthenes"... was eventually christianised as Saint Michael, chief of the hosts....he might have thought twice.

Ambotoko Mari actually

I'm sure you do, but it's a bit incomprehensible, isn't it?



Where on earth did you get that idea?

TCP

Anbotoko Mari, actually. One of her many styles.

TCP

No, not from where i'm sitting.

Oh, wait - you're right! In Basque "su" is "fire" and "gar" is "flame"...! Good catch!

And here's Mari, all aflame:



And here's Sugaar:



Don'tcha just love folklore...?

TCP