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Autumn by Nicolas Poussin. Check out the building on the right.

The Archduke Leopold Wilhelm, who had assumed the government of the Spanish Netherlands, being a great lover of art, employed David Teniers the Younger not only as a painter but as keeper of the collection of pictures he was then forming. With the rank and title of "ayuda de camara," Teniers took up his abode in Brussels shortly after 1647.

A picture of Sion Switzerland was in Leopold's collection.

Archduke Leopold had excavated the tomb of Childeric I and found the 300 bees.

In the 1980s, an anonymous source claimed that in 1952, Plantard “illicitly carried out transfers of gold ingots from France to Switzerland”, specifying it was the Union des Banques Suisses, and that the amount was for more than 100 million francs, and that he had to appear in front of a criminal court for fraud. Baigent, Leigh and Lincoln confronted Plantard with this allegation and he admitted the transfers, but said that it had not been against the law at the time – which was true. He stated that though he went to jail, it was for another offence. This statement is confirmed in a letter from the Saint-Julien sub-prefecture, involving the Annemasse mayor, dated June 8, 1956 and thus related to the foundation of the Priory. The letter states that in December 1953, Plantard was sentenced for six months in jail for “abus de confiance” – abuse of trust, which is normally understood to be embezzlement. French privacy laws prevent outsiders from receiving further information as to who the victim was, etc. It seems obvious that in the early 1950s, Plantard was working – or “adding to his income” – by performing financial transfers. That he was involved with financial transfers between France and Switzerland can be inferred from the fact that he lived first in Switzerland and then settled just across the border, the 1980 rumour and confirmation of gold transfers and his 1953 conviction for what seems to be related to money matters.

The Jesuits were banned in Switzerland from 1848 until 1973.

Personally I don't think that arch-fantasist Plantard ever had even a sniff at a gold ingot during the whole of his sorry life. The offence he was charged with was probably a simple, sordid "hands in the till" business and that was why he got off so lightly but of course it is typical of the man that he transmuted the mundane into something "golden."

Yep Roscoe
I think it looks like a match


Isn't it funny how the Pietrazole treasure was seen in Switzerland
and then the copy lands at the Romanian Museum

Switzerland stood neutral ...in the WWII
and up to now their banks kept hidden the bank accounts to America
up till now
U.S. authorities are continuing the pressure on Switzerland, which holds around a third of the world's $7 trillion wealth estimated to be stashed away in offshore banks, by pressing for data on thousands of UBS accounts in a civil suit. [ID:nN19534438]

Neighbouring tax havens like Luxembourg, Belgium and Liechtenstein have also come under pressure to change their bank secrecy laws. [ID:nLO581127] (Reporting by Jason Rhodes, editing by Will Waterman)

Tax havens

Well very close to your Sion Switzerland is Sion -Vaudemont
http://photos.linternaute.com/photo/274458/7947656513/9/basilique_sion_vaudemont/index.shtml

http://photos.linternaute.com/photo/274456/7899896503/9/marie_notre_dame_de_sion/index.shtml

Roscoe what is unique with Our Lady of Sion here is that the serpent has a rose in his mouth

Hi lovuian,

I find the rose and the serpent may have a few meanings. The rose could reference the possible bloodline.
The hallow could allude to a platter.

Id love to hear your views on the rose and serpent?

Thanks,

Kevin

Hey Kevin
well this is a interesting subject isn't it
Most of the serpents that the Virgin has her foot on have a apple in their mouth
this one is a rose

Now for Sion Vaudemont ...the rose could represent the pagan goddess Rosemertha or Rosemerta
and by they way since you live in New Orleans ...go to Jackson SQUARE
in one of the corners there she is with her cornucopia of flowers...her cup of plenty
All who drink are filled

Now we all know about Eve serpents and apples
this Lady triumphs over the serpent which holds the Rose

Rosemerta married Hermes and she had a serpent in one hand and a rose in the other
and Kevin the (Acadians)Cajuns brought her with them when they settled in New Orleans
there are two gods and one goddess...in the grove of Holly trees and great Oaks

if there is a Priory of Sion ...then the Rose would be symbol for here lies a secret and then it is the symbol of the Rosicrucians

For Roscoe


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sion_Valere_Castle_20070730.jpg

Valère Castle (Château de Valère) in Sion, Switzerland

The Roman Catholic diocese of Sion is the oldest in Switzerland and one of the oldest north of the Alps.
The library of Sion is known above all for its 120 Medieval codices, dating from the mid-9th century to the late 15th century, some richly illuminated, published by Josef Leisibach and Albert Jörger.
Prince-Bishopric of Sion
When I was in europe Roscoe I was at a castle of a Prince =Bishopric
it was absolutely amazing... these guys got the first dibs on everything animal food or fish or fowl
The coat of Arms are the pentacle the Stars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_of_Sion

Hey Roscoe
look at the coordinates
Valais
District Sion
46°14′N 7°22′E

I see Mary Magdalene's feast day in the coordinates
too cool buddy

Dont forget Saint Baume France.......


Kevin

All within a days horse ride from Annemasse and Aosta, an autonomous area in northern Italy which has been discussed many times on here. Aosta, former home of the Celtic tribe the Salassi. Aosta was called Augusta Praetoria Salassorum in Roman times. There are few streets in Rennes le Chateau but one of them is called Rue de la Salasse.

Gerard de Sede speaks about the mysterious Ursus in his book, there was a Saint Ursus in Aosta which the French call Saint Ours who was called Sant Orso in Aosta, Italy where he founded a collegiate church there in the 6th Century. Ursa, Ours and Orso is the name for Bear in Latin, French and Italian respectively. As in Great Bear - Ursa Major.

Saint Gratus of Aosta (San Grato di Aosta) is the patron saint of Aosta. St Gratus signed the acts of the synod of Milan in 451 AD as a priest. Gratus represented the bishop of Aosta, Eustasius, at this council, signing the letter that the assembly sent to Pope Leo I the Great in order to affirm its condemnation of the heresy of Eutyches, who declared that Christ was "a fusion of human and divine elements". This after the Archbishop of Constantinople Nestorius asserted that the Virgin Mary should no longer be referred to as the ‘Mother of God’ (Theotokos), for according to Nestorius Jesus had been born a mere man and became imbued later with a divine nature, Eutyches had vehemently opposed this. However, both Eutyches and Nestorius found themselves denounced as heretics at the Council of Chalcedon in 451AD. Both Gratus and Eustasius were of Greek origin, they received their education, and ecclesiastical formation from the type of monastic foundation in Italy established by Eusebius of Vercelli and this was modeled on that of the Eastern cenobites and therefore they did not live as hermits as the Calabrian monks may have done. Gratus became bishop of Aosta sometime after 451, and presided over the translation of various relics in the city around 470AD, including those of Saint Innocent, one of the martyrs of the Theban Legion. The bishops of Agaunum and Sion were present at this translation.
Pope Liberius sent Eusebius of Vercelli accompanied by the curiously named Bishop Lucifer of Cagliari to the Emperor Constantius II at Arles in Gaul over the infamous schism between the theologian Arius and the Trinity Christians. This forced the Pope to invoke a council to discuss the Arians rejection of the dictates of the Council of Nicea, clearly as late as the 6th century Christians were still debating the true nature of Jesus.
In 1285, the Magna Legenda Sancti Grati, a fictitious and anachronistic account of Gratus’ life to celebrate the translation of the saint's relics, was composed by Jacques de Cours, then canon of Aosta cathedral.
In this account, it was alleged that St Gratus had been born into a noble Spartan family and he had studied at Athens where he became a monk. In order to escape the persecutions in the East, he fled to Rome, where he was well received and was sent as an emissary to the court of Charlemagne. Gratus had experienced a vision at the Pantheon, which had sent him to Aosta where he converted many pagans and Charlemagne aided him in this mission. The legend continues that seemingly by divine command, this vision sent him to the Holy Land to find the head of John the Baptist. Saint Jucundus (Giocondo) accompanied him and Gratus allegedly found the relic concealed in the palace of Herod. Smuggling it out of Jerusalem, Gratus returned to Rome, where the story says that the church bells played on their own accord in celebration. Gratus presented John's head to the Pope; but in doing so, the jawbone remained in Gratus' hand. The Holy See interpreted this as a sign, and the Pope allowed him to carry that precious relic back to Aosta. This suggests that the head of St John the Baptist may be found around the town of Aosta. Gratus continued to govern the diocese, while periodically withdrawing to a hermitage with Jucundus. Caesar Baronius, who drafted a new edition to the Roman Martyrology (1586), doubted the veracity of Gratus’ tale and in the twentieth century, the historian Aimé Pierre Frutaz demonstrated without a doubt that the Magna Legenda Sancti Grati was an invented tale. However, the tale still seems to have spurred a Gratus cult into the areas of Piedmont, Lombardy, Switzerland and Savoy and these are other areas of our interest in this story.
In the town of Aosta is the Arch of Augusta erected in 35 BC to celebrate the victory of the Roman troops led by Consul Varro Murene over the local Celtic tribe called the Salassi, who had frequented this strategic passage through the Alps since 3000BCE.
Saint Gratus of Aosta is usually depicted in art with a bunch of Grapes and the head of John the Baptist and is the patron saint of the Benedictines. His feast day is September 6th.

well I know that area has great vineyards and wine country

and at Aachen there in the relics is a strand of St John the Baptist hair

I also read Roscoe that some of the Templars took the route to Switzerland to escape persecution

I wonder if the great vineyard references the bloodline. Wonder if that strand of
DNA from John The Baptist needs to be tested.

Kevin


and at Aachen there in the relics is a strand of St John the Baptist hair

I also read Roscoe that some of the Templars took the route to Switzerland to escape persecution

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Everything is Connected and there are no
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that is a dang good idea and I think one of the jewels had a strand of Mother Mary's hair in it
now that would be interesting wouldn't it

Interesting idea Kevin
Yes the vineyard the bloodline
the wine of the sacrament

Archduke Leopold von Hapsburg
The coincidences are further enhanced when we study the life of Archduke Leopold Wilhelm von Hapsburg. He was the brother of the Austrian Emperor when he first employed Teniers to look after his art collection and was in every way your typical ‘renaissance man’. Schooled in theology he gained his bishoprics at Strasburg and Passau by the age of eleven. Family tradition saw him assume, in 1642 the title of Grand Master of the Teutonic knights having took up a military career which saw him fighting in Bohemia in 1640. However the most interesting aspect of the Archduke was his interest in astrology and in particular his appointment of the monk and leading astrologer Placido Titi.

Placido was an accomplished mathematician as well as an astronomer in the Ptolemy tradition. In 1657 Placido wrote Tabulae Primi Mobilis Quas Directionem Vulgo Dicunt and this is the same year that Poussin painted the second Annunciation dedicated to Pope Alexander VII and one year after his enigmatic meeting the Abbé Fouquet where they talked of many things that kings will be at pains to draw from them. It is very likely that it is a painting of Placido Titi that is outside the Grotto of Saint Mary Magdalene at Plan D’Aups close to the Massif de la Sainte Baume. Placido is from an ascetic branch of the Benedictine Order called the Olivetans, who were a reformist brotherhood and they had obviously approved of Placido’s work in astrology when they published his Physiomathematica in 1650. Placido’s (Placidus) publications were later popularised by the Catholic Church as an argument for Ptolemy’s geocentric Solar System in the campaign against the now proven heliocentric theory of Copernicus which had been rejected by Pope Alexander VII.

The coincidences continue with Archduke Leopold von Hapsburg for it was he that had previously excavated the grave in 1653 of the Merovingian King Childeric I who was the son of Meroveus, from whom the whole dynasty is named. In this grave at Saint Brice was found no less than 300 miniature gold bees, a bull’s head made of gold, a crystal ball and a severed horses head. It was these same golden bees that were famously sown onto Napoleon Bonaparte’s coronation robe. Bees were considered to be the tears of Ra in ancient Egypt. Amongst the find there had also been a statue of Isis.

The Abbey of Sion is fifty miles from Aosta on the other side of the Apennine Alps that has the evocative Arthurian name of Avalon where St Germain, the founder of St Germain des Pres in Paris, received his training. It is perhaps worth noting here too that two principle Saints associated with one of England’s most notable cathedrals at Lincoln, St Anselm who was Archbishop of Canterbury from 1093 to 1109 and Saint Hugh who was the Prior of Witham in 1179, both came from Aosta and Avalon respectively.

The Gran San Bernardo (named after St Bernard of Montjoux) Alpine pass has all around it a distribution of the tribes from Roman times from the first century. It is the most important pass through the Alps from Italy to France and Switzerland. To the North West is Lake Leman which has at its eastern end the city of Geneva. Right in the middle of the pass between the white coloured sections is the Roman Temple of Jupiter at Summus Poeninus built in 70CE. This connected Rome with its western empire via Gaul, the pass itself is at 2464 metres (8084ft). The Priory of Sion was formed in St Julien de Annemasse which is a district of Geneva on the banks of Lake Leman. At Augusta Praetoria is now the town of Aosta, which is known as the most Roman town after Rome. Due north of this where the SEDVNI Celtic tribe once lived is were we find Sion, built on the ancient town of Sedunum and the twin peaks with the Chateau de Valère and the Chateau de Tourbillion. Further down the Valle d’Aosta is the town of St Vincent but if we go further south we come to the district of Piedmont and the awesome Abbey of Sagra di San Michele just inside Italy’s border with France close to a town called Arcangel.

As mentioned earlier the town of Aosta was called Augusta Praetoria Salassorum and was founded by Augustus about 24BCE after defeating the Celtic tribe the Salassi and remains of a triumphal Arch erected in commemoration of the victory still survives. The Salassi are a tribe that lived close to the area known as La Teine where the earliest examples of Celtic artefacts survive. The French Provenςal language (francoprovenςal, arpitan, and patois) is thought to have come from this area being a Gallo-Roman language and form a separate group from Langue d’Oil and Langue d’Oc, the largest number of Franco-Provenςal speakers live in the Aosta Valley Autonomous Region of Italy and it is an endangered language. There was a forced Italianisation of the area by Mussolini during World War II and many Italian speaking workers coupled with a mass exodus of French speaking workers made the area into an Italian state. However the area regained its autonomy in 1948.

In his book L’Or de Rennes, Gerard de Sede mentioned the death of a man named Fakhar Ul Islam. Fakhar Ul Islam was on his way on a train from Paris to Geneva he was found at the side of track close to the railway station of Melun and had clearly fallen (or been pushed) from the train. Despite being well dressed he carried no baggage whatsoever. Who travels across Europe with no luggage?

Jean Luc Chaumeil insists that Fakhar Ul Islam was a drug trafficker without offering any proof or evidence for his claim or offering any explanation why he would know that when the French police don’t seem to be aware of this.

Jean Luc Chaumeil is a self promoting "expert" on the Solar Temple cult. It is believed by many that Jean Luc Chaumeil works as a disinformation agent for the security services.

stoles and cloaks and tunics ...not to mention the dragon.

So you do read what I type. The bait worked.

Why is he more interesting Roger?

How's your take on the pagan icon outside the Vatican coming along? Any particular reason why you don't want to discuss this?

Constellation of Virgo.

The municipal building in Carcassonne (on the way to La Cite) has the same statue outside.

... there's pagan icons, sanctuaries and oracle sites all round and under the Vatican.

Vaticanus = Prophecy

http://biblelight.net/vatican.htm

Cromlech del Piccolo San Bernardo. They straddle the French Italian border.

Perhaps I should also point out the close proximity of Lyon (Lugdunum) where the Coligny Calendar is kept.

Got your attention, seems to work. Procuring your approval is not high on my agenda. It's like getting an appraisal from street tramp. I'm not impressed with your obvious insecurity born out of an arrested social development from a public school upbringing. I have no need to constantly seek assurances from you or anyone. Unlike yourself.

So, here's the question I've been asking you for a year and it's now getting obvious that the reason you don't answer is because it embarrasses you. And now you can't give the excuse that you didn't see it.

There's a pagan icon outside the Pope's house. Why?

Because the Vatican is built over the site of a powerful Mithraic temple...if you can't beat them, join them.

Roger ya bait folk all the time, nuthin' new in yer owm observation, yes? I find this part of what Sheila linked to as a bit of a puzzler...

And here is what you would find in a Latin - English dictionary for the suffix -anus:

...this is what can't be extracted when ya highlight it...
an-us: old woman, hag

-an,us _a-um; adj:
1. from common nouns: urbanus of the cit;
2; from place names: Romanus from or of Rome
3. from personal names; Claudi-anus of Claudius, Claudian.

Source: The New College Latin and English Dictionary, revised and enlarged, by John C. Traupman, Ph.D., published and copyrighted by Bantam Books, 1995, ISBN 0-553-57301-2, page 60.

Vaticanus then is a combination of Vatic + anus, just as Romanus is a combination of Rome + anus. Therefore, vaticanus collis or vaticanus mons mean "the prophetic hill or mountain", which can be rephrased as the hill or mountain of prophecy. The word Vatican is just a shortened form of the word Vaticanus, just like Claudian is a shortened form of Claudianus, as shown above. This association of the Vatican with prophecy is even confirmed by this recent Catholic book:

Why can't vatic-anus be a collection of a hill full of old hags...

This is a bit of selective historicity, yes? who knows what the ancient pagan-heathens were doin' on that hill and to whom. It certainly wasn't Churchy back in the pagan-heathen times.

The root of the word "Vatican" is derived from the Latin "vates", meaning "seer, soothsayer"..."Vaticanus Mons"....Hill of prophecy.

...and don't forget the Temple of Apollo.

I want Roger to answer.

Right you are then, but what about the snakes?





Things you didn't know you didn't know

snakes swallowing...

hell consuming?