BLUE APPLES

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

Blue mold on an apple

Latin name Penicillium expansum

You Figure it out

jakeabf · **Posted:** 15 Feb 2008 1:07 am

Am I to assume you allude in some yet to be fathomed way some kind of realistic tie in with the RLC enigma? Are you hinting at a possibility Sauniere was into hard wired science when he put his blue apple window up?

I can understand Sauniere in a playful mood do a sour apple thing, but moldy apples which can't be seen unless sunlight hits them just right, and the original link to a dead merovingian,... was Dagobert done in by a moldy apple?

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

jakeabf wrote:

Am I to assume you allude in some yet to be fathomed way some kind of realistic tie in with the RLC enigma? Are you hinting at a possibility Sauniere was into hard wired science when he put his blue apple window up?

I can understand Sauniere in a playful mood do a sour apple thing, but moldy apples which can't be seen unless sunlight hits them just right, and the original link to a dead merovingian,... was Dagobert done in by a moldy apple?

Bethania can mean House of Figs.

In Israel right next to Bethany is a place called Bethphage. House of Mould
O r to be more exact House of the "Agent that cures". Or House of "Agent used by the Theraputae"
Why would they name a place after its inability to produce good food?

Unless of course they intended to produce mouldy food.

Perhaps somebody sick ate a mouldy fig and got better.

The famous saying under the altar (destroyed by a vandal) and at the bottom of the large parchment is actually correctly translated as:

JESUS CURES ILLNESS + HOPE AT THE SAME TIME IS IGNORED
BY MAGDALENE'S TEARS + DILUTE OUR ERRORS

Blasphemy by Sauniere in full view of everyone. No wonder the vandal smashed it.

The Blue Apple lights on 17th January come from the Lazarus window. Lazarus was a leper brought back from the dead by Jesus. He lived near Bethany.

Any freemasons out there?

If you click on the blue text you will be taken to the chapter where Lazarus is raised from the dead. The following chapter John 12 is the spikenard incident depicted in the large parchment and the one shown in the stained glass window in Sauniere's church. The text of John 12 says that Lazarus was at the spikenard event. It specifically states that he is sat at the table with Jesus and Martha is serving, so which one is Lazarus in Sauniere's stained glass window?

rs2008 · **Posted:** 22 Feb 2008 11:57 pm

Yep...I'm a Freemason....how can I help?

jakeabf · **Posted:** 24 Feb 2008 12:53 am

here in scandinavia the name of a sick house is lazarette, the 'sickhouse' is a takeoff of german krankenhaus, the swedes call a hospital sjukhus (sick house) as well.

A doctor in Sweden is called a lakare-healer, but is known by academic title doktor, just like in Germany a doctor is known as an arzt, but is also called by his academic title doktor.

Point I make is the nomenclature change in Sweden came when a French General sent by Napoleon to occupy a vacant Swedish throne introduce many French based traditions, the reference to Lazarus being one of them.

There is in cellular microbiology a 'bug' killer aka microphage, as you refer to as a healing agent. It is not a mould derivative.

In getting back to Sauniere and his ref to Magdalene tears, what other group prior to Sauniere's time was into Magdalene veneration...Cathars, Gnostics,Merovingians, rosicru krowd for instance. I sort of doubt Sauniere was all that sophisticated in all of this subtle deft twist of the phrase obliterated by a vandal on a mission.

It seems to me this vandal was a Plainturd diversion set up to give his Mero aspirations some notoriety and spin his agenda in a direction he wanted, namely. bloodline.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

rs2008 wrote:

Yep...I'm a Freemason....how can I help?

Fraternal greetings

What does the hand gesture signify?

Or aren't you allowed to say?

rs2008 · **Posted:** 24 Feb 2008 9:25 am

I count 17 hands in the pictures posted.......is/are there any in particular to which you are referring? I am happy to explain anything within reason to this site, if it is of profit to us all. There is nothing I have experienced in Freemasonry that cannot be gleaned from the web......what I can impart is an unbiased and ecumenical discourse on possible symbolism perceived by yourselves.....over to you. I am a Past Junior Grand Warden in Craft Freemasonry, a Royal Arch Freemason, a member of the Antient and Accepted Scottish Rite (30th Degree), and a Member of the Royal Order of Scotland. Fire away.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

rs2008 wrote:

I count 17 hands in the pictures posted.......is/are there any in particular to which you are referring? I am happy to explain anything within reason to this site, if it is of profit to us all. There is nothing I have experienced in Freemasonry that cannot be gleaned from the web......what I can impart is an unbiased and ecumenical discourse on possible symbolism perceived by yourselves.....over to you. I am a Past Junior Grand Warden in Craft Freemasonry, a Royal Arch Freemason, a member of the Antient and Accepted Scottish Rite (30th Degree), and a Member of the Royal Order of Scotland. Fire away.

That's a long way of saying:- "I'm not allowed to say"

rs2008 · **Posted:** 25 Feb 2008 10:53 pm

Pedant. What's on your mind?

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

jakeabf wrote:

In getting back to Sauniere and his ref to Magdalene tears, what other group prior to Sauniere's time was into Magdalene veneration...Cathars, Gnostics,Merovingians, rosicru krowd for instance. I sort of doubt Sauniere was all that sophisticated in all of this subtle deft twist of the phrase obliterated by a vandal on a mission.

Quote:

"Masonry still retains among its emblems one of a woman weeping over a broken column, holding in her hand a branch of acacia, myrtle, or tamarisk, while Time, we are told, stands behind her combing out the ringlets of her hair. We need not repeat the vapid and trivial explanation... given, of this representation of Isis, weeping at Byblos, over the column torn from the palace of the King, that contained the body of Osiris, while Horus, the God of Time, pours ambrosia on her hair."

Illustrious Albert Pike 33°
Morals and Dogma, page 379

Where was it that Sauniere supposedly found his parchments?

In a Broken Column under the altar supported by two pillars?

JESUS CURES ILLNESS + HOPE AT THE SAME TIME IS IGNORED
BY MAGDALENE'S TEARS + DILUTE OUR ERRORS

rs2008 · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2008 11:07 pm

Too obtuse for me I'm afraid Roscoe. I know of no branch in Freemasonry with that symbolism....the 33rd degree is the highest in the Scottish Rite, and members of that degree are referred to as either "Very" Illustrious or "Most" Illustrious, so I would at the outset doubt the veracity of the source. In addition , if my memory serves me correctly, the body of Osiris was in a chest which washed up on the shores of Lebanon near Byblos, a tamarisk tree grew on the spot and enclosed the chest, the king of Byblos took a liking to the tree and it was made into a pillar in his palace, Isis knew Osiris was in the pillar and when the king granted that pillar to her for saving his son from illness, she CUT the pillar to obtain the chest. The only reference to Freemasonry is of the acacia, which traditionally is placed on a Brother's coffin or in his grave......English peaple will know the acacia as the "locust tree", in Australia it is one of the many species of wattle found here. But what in hell does this have to do with RLC????

rs2008 · **Posted:** 27 Feb 2008 11:20 am

Roscoe.......so very quiet........cat got your glossis???

jakeabf · **Posted:** 28 Feb 2008 2:07 am

Roger

Thanx for the enlightening response. I had no idea the penitence movement in RLC environs went back so far. I read more recent stuff about La Sanch but this gives me more fuel for thought in that I raised the possibility of Sauniere being a poster child for a schismatic movement in another post.

I see the tie in to Magdalen in 2 aspects here just as you stated them but as the source of resurrecting this movement in cahoots with the Martinists and his Bishop Billard who obviously gave tacit approval.

Sauniere's attempt at schism came to a skreeching halt with Billards successor and his purge of Sauniere.

In reference to hands, the concept of laying on of hands in a sacramental manner or healing fashion was practiced for centuries by clerics

In rs2008's attempt at responding to a masonic hand sign or gesture, I ask rs2008, are mason's also into traditional 'hand's on' ritual, if so how would that particular painting be significant from masonic 'hand' ritual?

Roscoe obviously see's mason handiwork all over the RLC enigma in the same vein I do. It definitely reinforces the image in my mind that Sauniere's church is a poorly disguised mason lodge/temple posing as a christian church.

rs2008 · **Posted:** 28 Feb 2008 11:05 pm

There are no hand gestures in any of the paintings that I can equate with any of the masonic orders to which I belong, bear in mind there are about six other orders I could join in this country, but do not have the time. In addition, the French orders in particular (if we ignore the Americans) are quite unique in their history and ritual, there may be changes over the years, I can only comment on my contemporary involvement in Freemasonry, and offer conjecture of that in the past. Iam not aware of any "hands on" symbolism.
With regard to the masonic themes in the church at RLC, unfortunately the tyranny of distance has precluded me from visiting same, I would hesitate to comment without actually experiencing it in person. I've done the vitual tours on the various sites....sure, Masonic meeting places have black and white tiled floors, and are generally orientated east/west with the master's pedestal in the east like the altar, if you have any specific perceived correlations I would be happy to try and answer them. I may be quiet over the next few days as I am sailing in a National Titles series.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

rs2008 wrote:

There are no hand gestures in any of the paintings that I can equate with any of the masonic orders to which I belong, bear in mind there are about six other orders I could join in this country, but do not have the time. In addition, the French orders in particular (if we ignore the Americans) are quite unique in their history and ritual, there may be changes over the years, I can only comment on my contemporary involvement in Freemasonry, and offer conjecture of that in the past. I am not aware of any "hands on" symbolism.

Perhaps you were "A poor candidate in a state of darkness, slipshod and hoodwinked" when the hand-gesture was made. Perhaps not, it depends.

rs2008 wrote:

With regard to the masonic themes in the church at RLC, unfortunately the tyranny of distance has precluded me from visiting same, I would hesitate to comment without actually experiencing it in person. I've done the virtual tours on the various sites....sure, Masonic meeting places have black and white tiled floors, and are generally orientated east/west with the master's pedestal in the east like the altar, if you have any specific perceived correlations I would be happy to try and answer them.

Here's the picture of the black and white Tyles inside Saunière's church. The altar (Autel) is held up by two pillars.

rs2008 wrote:

I may be quiet over the next few days as I am sailing in a National Titles series.

"Will you leave the west and travel to the east?"

Quote:

But how many have pillaged the HOUSE, leaving only embalmed corpses and a number of metal things they could not carry? What strange mystery is concealed in the new Temple of SOLOMON, built by the children of ST. VINCENT?

Le Serpent Rouge - Scorpio

jakeabf · **Posted:** 02 Mar 2008 12:04 am

Roger,
In my long ago far away initial college days of the 60's I had a history Prof into all things French, its how he got his P-iled H-i+ D-eep degree. This being the case he dissected the French Rev for us, so he thought.

What I recall most acutely, he side stepped every masonic related question I broached. I told him how can we discuss French history without dissecting masons of that time.

I honed in on Jacobin + Girondin as forces behind the scene that had to be reckoned with. I assume a remnant of both groups still call the shots roday. I see Napoleon as a front figure for both in that they actualy are creators of code Napoeon, they solidify his ability to minimize Vatican control of France.

Point I make is, some vestiges of yester year never go away, they resurrect themself in fascinating ways.

I interp Plaínturds machinations as his attempt to be a member of that clique. Since RLC sits in traditional Girondin turf and Jacobin wanna do their thing there this must have unleashed a political turmoil on par with Petain's accomodation with Hitler.

Enter Otto Rahm, who must have uncovered some of these old lingering post-Rev under-currents. It actually plays into what Patrice is alluding to, if I understand her take on things that evolved pre- + post WW2.

What went around, came back around again, it seems.

I

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

Roger wrote:

jakeabf wrote:

Roger

Thanx for the enlightening response. I had no idea the penitence movement in RLC environs went back so far. I read more recent stuff about La Sanch but this gives me more fuel for thought in that I raised the possibility of Sauniere being a poster child for a schismatic movement in another post.

I see the tie in to Magdalen in 2 aspects here just as you stated them but as the source of resurrecting this movement in cahoots with the Martinists and his Bishop Billard who obviously gave tacit approval.

Sauniere's attempt at schism came to a skreeching halt with Billards successor and his purge of Sauniere.

In reference to hands, the concept of laying on of hands in a sacramental manner or healing fashion was practiced for centuries by clerics

In rs2008's attempt at responding to a masonic hand sign or gesture, I ask rs2008, are mason's also into traditional 'hand's on' ritual, if so how would that particular painting be significant from masonic 'hand' ritual?

Roscoe obviously see's mason handiwork all over the RLC enigma in the same vein I do. It definitely reinforces the image in my mind that Sauniere's church is a poorly disguised mason lodge/temple posing as a christian church.

You're on the right track, as far as "schismatic activity" is concerned, but it has little do to with "masonic movements" as per the general understanding of "masonic". Yes, Martinists and Memphis-Misraim adherents are considered "masonic movements", by themselves and by historians, but the "great unwashed" (as an example, I would cite Psmith Journalist, who is inordinately proud of his ignorance of the multitude of fringe masonic movements in France, or their disproportional influence on French history) generally only comprehend "masonic movement" to comprise "mainstream masonry".

It would be a mistake to interpret a symbology that is common to both certain masonic movements AND to a far older heretical tradition, as somehow representing a convergence of those two separate and distinct things. A thorough investigation of the penitent movement and its ancient roots, although much obscured and sanitized by the Church in its many resolute attempts at co-opting and integrating fundamentally heretical movements, will yield surprisingly cogent results, particularly when applied to understanding the Razes.

If you direct your research in that direction, in a determined and serious academic manner, you will find that most of the baggage thrown in by the usual "illuminated RLC researchers" can easily be discarded as mere entertaining distractions from the actual events and their meaning in their historical context. I wish you luck, you're on the right track.

What actual events would they be Roger?

I smell what you're shoveling.

jakeabf · **Posted:** 05 Mar 2008 12:30 am

Revolutionary France has not gone exclusively back to the pre-state of France with its 3 estates. The royalty is still ruminating around in the background, but the Rothschilds have made no overt power grab to date, unless its all done by surrogate lackeys.

The Church has made some in roads in regaining a more open stance say in things, but the Lefebvre schism was not wide spread. its most notable adherent was Mel Gibson who supports a Church in LA that conducts the Latin Mass.

The 3rd estate, sans culottes, what have you, are still bickering 'tween themselves like syndicalists of yesteryear, so the power void has by default gone Left-ward

As always, the man in the street by virtue of tradition, loyalty, corruption, manipulation, whatever other life sustaining activity they depend on have kept all sorts of nefarious movements clandestine as well as functioning.

I throw the the masons in that last para's groupings due to the inevitable fact the Jacobin ideology never died out, neither did Girondin and they are found in varying degrees in all of those groupings.

How many of them would really like to resurrect Robespierre and his krowd and what they intended to do to the French who didn't see things their way. This is what I was hinting at when I mentioned the undercurrent of schismatic ideation just waitng for something to make it coalesce.

I saw the riots, instigated by backgrounders who wanted to tap into this latent reservoir of pan anti-arabism and get the fence straddlers to usher in a new version of ?Girondism? or ?Jacobism?.

Since Sarkozy made his move and it paid off for him, is this the direction the average Frenchman wants to see France go to resolve its internal debate? I see this as a tendency to thwart any realistic coming to grips as to how to get an inside handle of Sauniere's time.

He was biding his time, and wham, after one national calamity comes WW1 followed by WW2. The dust never really settled, old scores had to be settled, new positions had to be jockeyed in place, so how or what did the man in the street of France do in all of these events to keep his sanity?

Its in this milieu I would like to focus my attention on Sauniere and his game plan. We are 100 years too late to savour these tensions and power machinations. Somehow I get flashbacks, thought-wise, of a TV show called, The Price Is Right and how it applies to RLC

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

Quote:

"In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish efforts rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxemburg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide revolutionary conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster has ably shown, a definite recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworlds of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of the enormous empire.
There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creating of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistic Jews. It is certainly the very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders... In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astounding. And the prominent if not the principal part in the system of terrorism applied by the extraordinary Commissions for combating Counter Revolution has been take by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many nonJews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.

("Zionism versus Bolshevism: A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People." ILLUSTRATED SUNDAY HERALD, London, February 8, 1920.)

By Winston S Churchill

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379
(November 10, 1975) declared that Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination.

The resolution was repealed after a personal campaign by

George Herbert Walker Bush

Former US president and father of the current US president.

jakeabf · **Posted:** 05 Mar 2008 4:49 pm

Roscoe,
Nesta Webster to the best of my knowledge did not live in RLC when Sauniere was tromping around in that area. She made reference to a wider sweep of things just as Winnie did, and Winnie did not live in RLC either, did he?

I see no link to Illuminati= girondin, or Illuminati= Jacobin even though both groups could easily be infiltrated by Illuminati masons of that time. Its the savage aspects of Robespierre and that krowd that put France into a turmoil it still has to come to grips with today.

That's why I mention the lingering effects of girondin and jacobin, but what puzzles me is the sweeping inclusivity of Zionism into Illuminati who live before Hertzl put Zionism on the map in 1890's. This by extension of your take is that these zionist influenced masons infiltrated girondin and jacobim before official birth of political zionism of 1890's.

OK Roscoe, just 'zakly how did they manage to pull that off and at the same time zero in on Sauniere?

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

jakeabf wrote:

Roscoe,
Nesta Webster to the best of my knowledge did not live in RLC when Sauniere was tromping around in that area. She made reference to a wider sweep of things just as Winnie did, and Winnie did not live in RLC either, did he?

I see no link to Illuminati= girondin, or Illuminati= Jacobin even though both groups could easily be infiltrated by Illuminati masons of that time. Its the savage aspects of Robespierre and that krowd that put France into a turmoil it still has to come to grips with today.

That's why I mention the lingering effects of girondin and jacobin, but what puzzles me is the sweeping inclusivity of Zionism into Illuminati who live before Hertzl put Zionism on the map in 1890's. This by extension of your take is that these zionist influenced masons infiltrated girondin and jacobim before official birth of political zionism of 1890's.

OK Roscoe, just 'zakly how did they manage to pull that off and at the same time zero in on Sauniere?

Mary Magdalene

Please don't expect to be spoon fed. This is a grail quest.

jakeabf · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2008 7:43 pm

Roscoe,
I checked out yer website and it does some amazing things. It puts Magdalen on the level of a deity, it comes across as though she did not face judgement like all us mere mortals have to face.

Now it seems according to your spin she is a numero uno gnostic of all time, inspiration to a half-monster bloodline, source of the Templar mission and all of its grail spin-offs, now she is a zionist before incarnation of that krowd by Hertzl.

I mentioned Girondin and Jacobin, is she source of both as well? This mythification of Magdalen far surpasses any other cult figure on the planet. Do you have any more claims ready and waiting in the wings to attribute to her.

My take on her is, she was in the right place at the right time to perform the mission deigned to her and she did all with aplomb. To extend this place and time of 2,000 years ago and 'gnostify' into spin ad nauseam like those phoney wanna-be professors like Pagels is presstitution at its worst.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

jakeabf wrote:

Roscoe,
I checked out yer website and it does some amazing things. It puts Magdalen on the level of a deity, it comes across as though she did not face judgement like all us mere mortals have to face.

Now it seems according to your spin she is a numero uno gnostic of all time, inspiration to a half-monster bloodline, source of the Templar mission and all of its grail spin-offs, now she is a zionist before incarnation of that krowd by Hertzl.

I mentioned Girondin and Jacobin, is she source of both as well? This mythification of Magdalen far surpasses any other cult figure on the planet. Do you have any more claims ready and waiting in the wings to attribute to her.

My take on her is, she was in the right place at the right time to perform the mission deigned to her and she did all with aplomb. To extend this place and time of 2,000 years ago and 'gnostify' into spin ad nauseam like those phoney wanna-be professors like Pagels is presstitution at its worst.

Saint-Maximin-la-Sainte-Baume

Mary Magdalene (Or is it Marie d'Negri d'ARLES?) & others in a rudderless boat just like your beloved St Brendan

Job 38:11

jakeabf · **Posted:** 09 Mar 2008 10:59 pm

the rest of the that phrase goes... and you couldn't see what you were saying?
Roscoe,
Why the subterfuge again? Job was in a discussion with Jehovan about things concerning the Creation and Job's difficulty in comprehending where he fit into the overall scheme of things.

Actually the whole Job 38 is the best example of anti-alchemy, anti- astrology in the Bible. Chapter 38-11 explains to Job why he is gonna stay put on terra firma and not remain out at sea, the reason being 'cuz Jehovah sez so.

The cheap shot at St Brendan is a puzzler to me, its yer usual are you 'incinerating' (bubbaism intended) he's a closet gnostic, closet magdalen schismatic, bath-tub navigator in name only, which 1 do you mean? all 3 maybe?

I am following up on a tip from Roger that subtle backgrounder groups with their own agenda have insinuated themself into the RLC enigma just like Plainturd attempted to do.

The illuminati link is definitely in keeping with politico-social machinations of jacobin + girondin. The intro of the revolutionary calendar, maypole, quasi-soviet like commune system of control are just starters. The reign of terror with its prevalent snitch-system ensured compliance as well.

Point here being, jacobin + girondin were in cahoots when it came to substituting churchy religion with a communal system based on masonic lines. How many churches were 'renovated' -'desicrated', whatever term you choose, to get the clerical system out of social control power. Bigou had to get out of Dodge like pronto if you recall.

Napoleon didn't zakly make things easy for the church or clerics did he, he even codified many of the girondin + jacobin changes and spread them all over Europe in his code napoleon decrees.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

jakeabf wrote:

I am following up on a tip from Roger that subtle backgrounder groups with their own agenda have insinuated themself into the RLC enigma just like Plainturd attempted to do.

He could have just read what Priory of Sion member Gino Sandri said.

No great revelation there.

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