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 Post subject: Re: The sworn book
PostPosted: 13 Jul 2010 11:25 am 
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Maybe if you all stopped attacking Renne every time she posts something, she would not feel it necessary to hit back? She's as entitled to post as everyone else and if you don't like what she says then, as she suggested, put her on ignore. It seems to me that it's all the 'bitching' that takes you all off topic so leave the woman be!

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 Post subject: Re: The sworn book
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...take it you didn't see the original pic then.


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 Post subject: Re: The sworn book
PostPosted: 13 Jul 2010 12:02 pm 
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Sheila wrote:
...take it you didn't see the original pic then.
I don't recall the picture but I'm quite sure it wouldn't have had me joining the lynch mob!

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 Post subject: Re: The sworn book
PostPosted: 13 Jul 2010 12:28 pm 
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...oh for heavens sake woman...keep that stuff to your own blog...what are you trying to prove?


...don't think that constitutes a lynch mob...c'mon...the pic got changed...the only person upset seems to be Hugo.


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 Post subject: Re: The sworn book
PostPosted: 13 Jul 2010 12:49 pm 
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Sheila, I always enjoy your witty one-liner put-downs. I was referring to the bitching that followed!

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 Post subject: Re: The sworn book
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:D ......onwards and upwards, let's get back to that darned book.


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 Post subject: Re: The sworn book
PostPosted: 13 Jul 2010 1:37 pm 
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Maybe if you all stopped attacking Renne every time she posts something, she would not feel it necessary to hit back? She's as entitled to post as everyone else and if you don't like what she says then, as she suggested, put her on ignore. It seems to me that it's all the 'bitching' that takes you all off topic so leave the woman be!

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Well, your welcome to it all, it's not just about putting her on ignore, I'm not an emu - I have conscious and being part of a forum in which her group and her perpetuates "alledged" intimidation and fraud is among the other lies and falsehoods surrounding, RLC is getting to me. You lie down with dogs, you get flees. So I am off to my sane world to de-flee myself.

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I'm outta here have a nice life peeps. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: "Jim"
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TCP, have you figured out who "Jim" is yet? You must recognize him.


I know who he is, yes.

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 Post subject: Re: The sworn book
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Well, your welcome to it all, it's not just about putting her on ignore, I'm not an emu - I have conscious and being part of a forum in which her group and her perpetuates "alledged" intimidation and fraud is among the other lies and falsehoods surrounding, RLC is getting to me. You lie down with dogs, you get flees. So I am off to my sane world to de-flee myself.

Cheers

I'm outta here have a nice life peeps. :lol:


Don't let their desperate need for attention get you down, Rain. You're too good for that.

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 Post subject: Re: The sworn book
PostPosted: 13 Jul 2010 6:05 pm 
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Sheila, what happened to Tingra? She intro'd a fascinating topic that brought out a response on the part of the Vatican. Renne must have followed the same line of thought I did when that book mentioned stuff like savin' a soul from purgatory or was it hell?.

The mention of formulations, incantations, spells, ya know the usual stock in trade of the snake oil sales set. How many of their alchemic concoctions have come down to us today, in say, the formula for aspirin, or any other popular demon chasin' hangover cures, like the formula for Jagermeister.

I hope Renne does us all a favor and re-posts the photo's. I also hope Alexius will start postin' snippets of the text he sez he has regardin' BS' twin. When he sent Renne his info 'boot the Diary, she took it in good faith and shared it. She didn't have to, yes?

It actually got folk to give that era a thoro' goin' over, which in itself is a valuable exercise, even if the Diary was sum buddy's code book ala the coded Sworn Book we have as a topic. What else has been detected in the Sworn Book of late?

BTW Rain, why get yer feathers ruffled un-necessarily. This is as I mentioned before, not a battlefield. Give yer feelin's a re-think, see if they have been battered beyond repair. Most likely yer gonna look back at this and get a good belly laugh at it.

I look forward to yer next dose of Oz humor. ...uh and watch out for the Perth methane powered fireballls heatin' up things down under, in the same fashion as the recent election of yer new Prime Mini-stress

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 Post subject: Urban Chic
PostPosted: 14 Jul 2010 12:25 am 
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Sorry, I guess you`re not into urban style - it`s the norm here.

Thank you, I don`t mind being called "cloudy" but the rest was out of the blue and way over the top.

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 Post subject: Re: Urban Chic
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 Post subject: Re: The sworn book
PostPosted: 14 Jul 2010 7:21 pm 
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The sworn book what happened to it? is it sumfin the swear by or swear at.

The threads turned toxic for reasons beyond my ken. I guess when hurt feelin's spill over from 1 forum to a'nuvver or 1 topic, like the Diary, to a'nuvver, its time to act adult and let by-gones be by-gones.

What ever triggered off this latest spat was already history, so why play grave robber and dig up olde bones to gnaw on?

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 Post subject: Grimoires and the Sworn Book
PostPosted: 15 Jul 2010 1:11 am 
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Mr. Davies you are an author after my own heart. As a writer and someone in the library field, Grimoires as a history of written magic is a work touching upon my biggest passion and deepest interest. It took me longer than usual to read and review this title as I wanted to savour every sentence and paragraph and retain all I learned from each chapter covering the history of magic books. Grimoires: A History of Magic Books is a history of magic in print and therefore a history of magic overall presented with all its highs and lows along with all the geniuses, mystics, and swindlers throughout history. It is also a history of the effect magic has had on the publishing world and how that subsequently affected how people viewed magic all over the world both in ancient times and today. Davies covers all books of magic not just the familiar classic grimoires of the scholars of Greece, Egypt and the Middle East, but also works on natural magic, folk magic, folk medicine, hoodoo, santeria, witchcraft, and satanism. Most importantly Grimoires shows that magic has been around as long as people have existed and that even in today’s age of disbelief and science magic is still present on the fringes of society as it is deeply rooted in its belly. Magic has never died and no matter how much it is persecuted it never will.

“Grimoires exist because of the desire to create a physical record of magical knowledge, reflecting concerns regarding the uncontrollable and corruptible nature of the oral transmission of valuable secret or sacred information. This urge to provide a tangible magical archive dates right back to the ancient civilization of Babylonia in the second millennium BCE. But grimoires also exist because the very act of writing itself was imbued with occult of hidden power. ‘A book of magic is also a magical book’…” (p.2)

I was pleasantly surprised to also find the magical value and use of the written word as a talisman in the introduction of Grimoires. Davies explains how written charms were used for healing and magic, how the words written with special magical inks give the words written great power, and also how even entire books were used as amulets and believed to possess protective powers for whomever owned or carried them. However, the belief was also held that not everyone who possessed a magical book could actually use it:

“The qualities of the magician remained important. Whether by birth right, geography, or piety only certain people were thought to have innate power to possess and perform grimoire magic on the behalf of others. So even when grimoires were available to everyone not everyone could use them safely and effectively.” (p.5)

In Grimoires Owen Davies takes you on a wild ride starting in ancient Babylon and Egypt, then on to the inquisition and witch trials, then the rediscovery of grimoires and ancient magics during the Renaissance and the Age of Enlightenment, and then further on to the pulp magic books and birth of the modern metaphysical stores out of the botánicas and hoodoo drugstores of the early 1900s, and then into the twisted occultism of Nazi Germany, and lastly on to the repeal of the Witchcraft Act in 1951 after which Gerald Gardner and the modern witchcraft revival entered the stage. In the epilogue Davies reveals his thoughts on the place of the internet in the publishing of magic today and what influences it has had on today’s society and culture as well as what the future may hold for the evolution of magic on the World Wide Web.

Besides the classic grimoires like Key of Solomon, the Petit Albert,the Galdrabók, or the Grand Grimoire, Davies also covers the works of modern grimoire authors like Henri Gamache, John George Hoffman, Arthur Edward Waite, Samuel L.M. Mathers, Aleister Crowley, Eliphas Lévi, Gerald Gardner, and even Anton Levay’s Satanic Bible. At times in Grimoires it seems that Davies tends to speak more of the charlatans than the true mystics, but I believe this was a necessary addition by Davies to stress to modern readers of both grimoires and modern Pagan books that plagiarism and fakelore still abound in the publishing world today and have throughout the history of magic in print. The modern reader needs to be aware of what is genuine and what is fake reading every work with a grain of salt so as not to be drawn into fakelore and false operative magic. Owen Davies focuses mainly on the American-based charlatans Delaurence and Otoman Zar-Adusht Hanish who both caused quite a stir in the early 20th century with their magical groups and publications.

Whether you are a Hermeticist, alchemist, sabbatic witch, folk magician or Crowleyite, if you are fascinated with the grimoire tradition and love both the classic grimoires as well as the works of modern grimoire publishers like Xoanon, Fulgur, and Ouroboros Press then you will adore Owen Davies’ Grimoires and hang on his every word as you journey with him through the long history of magical works as they evolved from clay tablets and scrolls, to hand written manuscripts, and eventually into printed books. Grimoires: A History of Magic Books is extremely valuable as a historical work covering the lesser known histories of the authors, publishers, and practitioners of magic who influenced the evolution of magic explaining the origins of all the differing types of magic practiced today. ♥


Filed under: Books - Non Fiction | Tagged: academic, alchemy, grimoire tradition, grimoires, history, magic, occultism, Owen Davies, Oxford University Press, Paganism, Wicca, witchcraft

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 Post subject: Mystery fans
PostPosted: 15 Jul 2010 1:20 am 
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For fans of the mysterious, the Fawcett Adventure in the Amazon by

Ben Hammott available on BenHammott.com.

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 Post subject: Re: The sworn book
PostPosted: 15 Jul 2010 9:24 pm 
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Ya know what Renne, this Davies dude is a tongue in cheek prankster in the Jules Verne tradition IMHO. These quotes are indicative of what I mean. I assume he wrote it mostly for personal gain, rather than be an academic tome.

....“Grimoires exist because of the desire to create a physical record of magical knowledge, reflecting concerns regarding the uncontrollable and corruptible nature of the oral transmission of valuable secret or sacred information. This urge to provide a tangible magical archive dates right back to the ancient civilization of Babylonia in the second millennium BCE. But grimoires also exist because the very act of writing itself was imbued with occult of hidden power. ‘A book of magic is also a magical book’…” (p.2)

....a history of magic overall presented with all its highs and lows along with all the geniuses, mystics, and swindlers throughout history.

With the Sworn Book as a sort of poster child for the genre, this book will be the HBHG of its own genre, yes? Does it impinge on the RLC enigma along the way? Can it help ya make gold out of lead?

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 Post subject: Re: The sworn book
PostPosted: 15 Jul 2010 9:55 pm 
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Where is the book now? IS it in the Vatican?

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In one of Patrice Chaplins interviews she mentions the writer of Foucalts Pendulum (Umberto Eco) and the rituals he uses in his book. She says that Eco got the rituals from the Wolf who owns the bar in Girona at the bottom of the cathederal steps and she also mentions the Sworn Book.

The Sworn Book of Honorius, or Liber Juratus (also liber sacer, sacratus or consecratus, Sworn Book of Honorius, Grimoire of Honorius) is a medieval grimoire. Its date of composition is uncertain, but it is mentioned as liber sacer in the 13th century, apparently asserting a high medieval date. Johannes Hartlieb (1456) mentions it as one of the books used in nigromancy. The oldest preserved manuscript dates to the 14th century, Sloane MS 3854 (fol 117-144). Sloane MS 313, dating to the late 14th or early 15th c. had been in the possession of John Dee. The book is one of the oldest existing medieval grimoires as well as one of the most influential.
It is supposedly the product of a conference of magicians who decided to condense all their knowledge into one volume. In 93 chapters, it covers a large variety of topics, from how to save your soul from purgatory to the catching of thieves or finding of treasures. It has many instructions on how to conjure and command demons, to work other magical operations, and knowledge of what lies in Heaven among other highly sought information. Like many grimoires, it has lengthy dissertations for proper operation and seals to be used.

The book can be classified as a "Solomonic Grimoire" due to its heavy use of angelic powers and seals like those found in The Greater Key of Solomon.


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 Post subject: Passwords?
PostPosted: 16 Jul 2010 12:37 am 
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Does it contain passwords to get into heaven as well?

That`s an essential element of secret ceremonies, the

Nag Hammadi Gnostic codices contain that aspect.

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 Post subject: Re: The sworn book
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Renne, if ya recall in te Talmud, those dudes claim they argued with God and won. If that is believable, then these Gromoires certainly can teach ya how to load the dice ya use to shoot craps with St. Peter when ya wanna get past the Pearly Gates.

To claim that there are passwords to get into heaven shows ya how deluded these Grimoire writers are. Next thing ya know they are gonna tell ya they have the secret phone number to the central switchboard the Vatican uses to dial up to Heaven.

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 Post subject: Re: The sworn book
PostPosted: 16 Jul 2010 8:26 pm 
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Bonjour .

A l'attention des personnes qui ce reconnaitrons .

Ceux qui recherchent une porte du " temps " , ferais mieux de penser plutôt à en fabriquer une .

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 Post subject: Re: The sworn book
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OK Rain, yer forgiven, pretty puh-leeze, with sugar on top to sweeten the deal. What's this latest Williams post all 'boot?

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 Post subject: Re: The sworn book
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Williams post:-
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Good morning.
For the attention of people who recognize this.

Those looking for a doorway to "time", had better think instead of making one.
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From Google Translate.

Porte du temps is also a a phrase used to represent paranormal phenomenon.
http://portedutemps.net/
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 Post subject: Re: The sworn book
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Uh Nic, did Rain ask ya to do us that favor? I find this guy's sense of humor, especially for bein' French, spot on. He is lettin' dyin' to know what ya gotta do to get over beyond the pale vale or what ever catch phrase is used for enterin' a portal these daze.

Yep, for those dyin' to know, gotta do zakly that... give up yer spook, kick the bucket, run down the curtain, along with all the rest of that Monty Python skit relates. Dyin' is a 1-way trip, and that is what I gather Williams is jokin' 'boot in this situation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Lq771TVm4

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 Post subject: Re: The sworn book
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Uh Nic, did Rain ask ya to do us that favor? I find this guy's sense of humor, especially for bein' French, spot on. He is lettin' dyin' to know what ya gotta do to get over beyond the pale vale or what ever catch phrase is used for enterin' a portal these daze.

No unfortunately I haven't spoken to Rain for a couple of days, I hope she will return soon.
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 Post subject: "Portal"?
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Would that be the Twin Towers Portal perchance?

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