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The scientific methods hinges on the critical examination and evaluation of evidence, which apparently is too much to ask of certain "researchers" on fora such as these.



Who's "managing"...? There's no hierarchy except for the list owner and moderator.



You seem to be under the impression that historical research is less about tangible facts and more about group consensus. Consensus is arrived at when the tangibles are weighed, not when they're trivialized for the sake of group-think.



I look at other members' information here every day. I think what frustrates you and others like you is that I ask for evidence, I don't take things at face value. In the realm of historical research, that isn't considered a flaw at all.



Probably because we're dealing with histrionics more than history. I get tired of it as well, though I'm sure for very different reasons than you do.

TCP

The latter = the "pseudo-historian-syndrome" ... and fighting back this is no syndrome. It is hard work, from 9 to 24.

TCP


here it is TCP the word credible
and who judges that it is credible???

You ...Roger???



What evidence is there
the Kensington Minnesota Runestone is a piece to the puzzle



Hjalmar Holand had proposed that interbreeding with Norse survivors might explain the "blond" Indians among the Mandan on the Upper Missouri River,[22] but in a multidisciplinary study of the stone, anthropologist Alice Beck Kehoe dismissed, as "tangential" to the Runestone issue, this and other historical references suggesting pre-Columbian contacts with 'outsiders', such as the Hochunk (Winnebago) story about an ancestral hero "Red Horn" and his encounter with "red-haired giants"

the legend of the Red Beard of the MicMaqs



The manuscript of the Codex Runicus contains 11 instances of the J rune, two of them appear on the last page of the manuscript, in the words for the oldest recorded melody in Scandinavia

Richard Nielsen's 2001 translation of the text, which attempts specifically to put it into a medieval context, giving variant readings of some words:

8 Geats and 22 Norwegians on ?? acquisition expedition from Vinland far west. We had traps by 2 shelters one day's travel to the north from this stone. We were fishing one day. After we came home, found 10 men red with blood and dead. AVM (Ave Maria) Deliver from evils.

The lateral (or side) text reads:
“

har:10:mans:we:hawet:at:se:
äptir:wore:skip:14:þagh:rise:
from:þeno:öh:ahr:1362:
”

Translation:

(I) have 10 men at the inland sea to look after our ship 14 days travel from this wealth/property. Year [of our Lord] 1362


Ave Maria
1362

And if you really want the conspiracy ...this information was suppressed for many many years from Americans
who were taught that Columbus lost his shoe in 1492

In fact the Smithsonian has played a huge part in suppressing this information Why?

It is very feasible and even you admit your open to the idea

Me, Roger, anyone. By credible I mean that which can be demonstrated by evidence, something that doesn't emanate purely from the realm of opinion or mere possibility. Something that is tangible, quantifiable.



As evidence of Viking incursions into the North American interior, yes, I would agree with that. As A Templar relic, no.



Conspiracy? Suppressing information? I assume you have something to back that claim up with?

TCP

Well, I did find a clinical term, "apophenia", that describes a good deal of what goes on around here:

"Apophenia is the experience of seeing patterns or connections in random or meaningless data. The term was coined in 1958 by Klaus Conrad, who defined it as the "unmotivated seeing of connections" accompanied by a "specific experience of an abnormal meaningfulness".

"While observations of relevant work environments and human behaviors in these environments is a very important first step in coming to understand any new domain, this activity is in and of itself not sufficient to constitute scientific research. It is fraught with problems of subjective bias in the observer. We (like the experts we study) often see what we expect to see, we interpret the world through our own personal lens. Thus we are extraordinarily open to the trap of apophenia.

—A Cognitive Approach to Situation Awareness: Theory and Application, p.333.
In statistics, apophenia would be classed as a Type I error (false positive, false alarm, caused by an excess in sensitivity). Apophenia is often used as an explanation of paranormal and religious claims, and can also explain a belief in pseudoscience."

Or, as some would say, "everything is connected and there are no coincidences."

TCP

Sorry Tim, I had a new post here but I deleted it for now.---Bill

A wise decision, I'm sure. Discretion being the better part of valor and all.

TCP

The constant resorting to name-calling hardly gives you credibility. I would say it is infantile, but perhaps the more accurate term would be senile.

Your derision of other people's "pet fantasies" is quite laughable considering your own belief in the supernatural powers of a "crista"!
In my business, this is known as "psychological projection."

You derision of certain people's research that does not fit your own agenda is a real howler in light of your touting of the "research" of Isaac ben Jacob, which in my estimation is several levels beneath Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln and more on a par with Knight and Lomas. But you tout IBJ's research because it accords with your personal beliefs.

No; I will say part of it. I take these things at face value (some of them), because I believe they are true. I believe I may have found something in Nova Scotia that backs some of this up. While I am still trying to confirm this, I had thought it important to try to determine the how and the why of this object getting to Nova Scotia. I have not mentioned it before because I am not ready to say what or where yet.---Bill

Very good statement "revjeff", much better then I could have done.---Bill

And that's fine, Bill. I'm sure whenever you're ready, it should be a most enlightening discussion.

TCP

Tim are you at all aware of Bills reasoning for his theories,have you looked into the legends of Nova Scotia,the work of Joan Hope,or John "Bear" Macneil,MicMaqs? It`s an interesting theory and interesting stories.Macneils story is free online as Bill has mentioned before,doesn`t appear he is in it for the big book deals.

AFAIK Roger has never made any supernatural claims for the "Crista" you would be referring to Sheila.

That being said I and others have posted certain scientific studies that are persuant to the nature of studies in and around the area of RLC and wider areas.

And I hardly think scientific research is "Supernatural". Ignored but not supernatural.
I also have research into early electricity and magnetism but i didn't want to bore everyone to pieces, so I only referred to it.

I personally have posted info on

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2360



Blue energy,

Magnetoelectric Interaction Phenomena in CrystalsProceedings of the NATO ARW on Magnetoelectric Interaction Phenomena in Crystals, Sudak, Ukraine from 21 to 24 September 2003.

Sheila has also posted information on carbonates, and has pointed out the nature of mining activites including Tungsten.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2284&start=25

Ecole Polytechnique (the "X" ).

Red Mercury

Sulphur studies - White phosphorus - Allotropes of phosphorus - Structures of red phosphorus and white phosphorus

Strontium chloride


HERE IS A PHOTO OF SOME OF THE LITTLE EXPERIMENTS I CARRY OUT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHERE SOME SUPPOSITIONS COME FROM.

1. Physics Frenzy - experiments into refraction and magnetism basic physics concepts.

2. Rock Tumber - for polishing of small crystals and rocks/stones.

3. Kaleidoscope - study in geometry through mirrors. Study of Sir David Brewster.

4. Animation Praxinoscope - study of lamps, camera obscura's and mirrored images. Athanius Kircher, Mo ti, Aristotle and Euclid.

5. Knot pack - study of cordiers and cords in pythagorian theorums. Studies into Pythgoras.

6. Kids science book - includes basic exercises for kids as an understanding the foundations of science.

Then why does Roger never berate Sheila for harboring "pet fantasies" as he does so many others?

He has pointed out to Sheila where she's been wrong and directed her to resources to double check
but he's never encouraged that particular theory either, (supernatural - raising of the dead with the crista theory). Even Sheila has stated this is her own theory, indicating it may be at odds with others.
I myself have taken advantage of Roger's openess because he does do it on a public forum and if he wants it private I'm sure he emails or P.M's. He's pretty open about it all.

As to Sheila's pet fantasies, I would normally say something but it's the one thing that for all the research on it I've done, even in the earliest pythagorian cults - that they were called "the cult of the dead" and philosophies worldwide repeat in some form a myth of "raising of the dead."
It's not something that can be disputed. The myths and legends exist and for all the scientific theories and studies people can come up with it is the one thing TMM (To My Mind) that remains an enigma.

Ok Bill
I'm very interested to hear what the treasure may be

I'm very curious at what you come up with

for me it would be treasures

why would he berate Sheila? she knows what IT is and i can assure you it is not a pet fantasy. You can insult IBJ to your hearts content because that doesnt matter either, he knows what IT is :lol
whether or not it has supernatural powers is up for debate, we dont all agree on this point but legend says it does, which is why it could be extremely dangerous in the wrong hands

As for Bill's reasoning, no, I'm not aware of it as all he ever says is that he doesn't agree with factual information that argues against his pet theories. And I'm sure the reason he offers no evidence, despite repeated requests, is that all he has to go on are these theories he's glommed on to, which he cannot defend.

Yes, I am familiar with the topics at hand. The same observations apply - all speculations, no actual proof. I'm not that interested in possibilities, that's much too broad a canvas. Probabilites - better; proof - best.

TCP

Bill keep your cards close to your chest

Ok Tim fair enough,thanks.

Bill
La Rochelle is a special place
Holly Dolly glad to see you fello Texan

It's extremely dangerous because of it's political and religious significance. That happened when you overtly tied it to the Gold Cross of Toledo which is purported to be from "solomon's temple" implying that it came from the ransacking of the temple hoard, imagine if the Israli's decide to go hell for leather and ask for it back. It does have something to do with validity of rulership does it not and enforces the power of the Jewish State.

To cut a long story short you need to get to grips with the role of the Shaman as Psychopomp...because it is in this context that the Crista would have been used.

Just wanted to say Hi to Sheila. I missed seeing you post lately.

Gawd, this is all getting so damned silly...

TCP