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 Post subject: The Madness of King Smith
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The madness of Paul Smith - and use of multiple pseudonyms, which he claims he never does - is in evidence here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Andr%C3%A9_Douzet

Take a look at the libellous claims he made on the page itself, and the over the top statements he makes on the Talk page.
It's quite funny when one Wiki editor states a webpage by 8-9 is not evidence ;-)

Smith doesn't seem to realise that most of the material posted by me on Wikipedia (here and elsewhere) was part of an experiment, as reported on in the recent edition of Nexus (in his words no doubt a "Fringe Magazine" with a worldwide circulation of more than 200,000 copies) - in which I highlighted Smith's antics. It's good to see that he - and Wikipedia - continue to follow what I said they did some months ago!

Also, do take a look at what is said in the article about Andre Douzet: namely that he was born, introduced the model to a larger audience, and is the author of three books. Yet neither Smith nor Wikipedia find this is "neutral" enough - and seem to suggest it is doubtful Andre was born and wrote three books??

It's good this is happening now, after the article on Wikipedia has received a worldwide airing, for if before people might say I was just being a sour grape - now, it's further evidence, if not proof, of an allegation.

Finally, one should question why Smith is bothering with a thing like Wikipedia today. A year or two ago, he and others could have been forgiven for not knowing its major shortcomings, but today, it is the subject of jokes every day (and definitely after the recent farce involving Ronnie Hazlehurst), with people on television laughing about its millions of errors.

Such an environment is obviously close to heart of Smith! I would definitely prefer the comfort of "The Fringe"... though despite using capitalisation, I assume Smith is not referring to the Edinburgh festival.

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Read this:

Keep the sick pills handy.

From that famous book
Mysteries of Templar Treasure and the Holy Grail: The Secrets of Rennes le Chateau.

R. Lionel Fanthorpe, Patricia Fanthorpe

(Never heard of it: I'm worn out already just reading the title)

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No bloodhound with a nose for truth could ever hope to be in the same league as Paul Smith. If he were an income tax inspector, a Scotland Yard fraud squad superintendent or a district auditor, the careless and the dishonest would cringe and tremble at the sound of his name. Undoubtedly Paul could also have made a high reputation for himself as an analytical chemist - if chemistry had interested him as much as Rennes does. His appetite for facts is voracious. He devours all the relevant data, cross references it thoroughly, re-checks everything three times and still keeps a question mark handy in case he's overlooked something. Paul goes to war with two battle cries emblazoned across his banner. "Who said so?" and "Where did he get it from?" His appendix to the present volume, for which the authors and publishers are most grateful, is a mine of tightly compressed, granite hard information.


Pardon me a moment I need the toilet.

Thank you Mr and Mrs Fanclub.

If he was a tax inspector I'd be getting a rebate by now. If he'd been an analytical chemist he'd have blown himself up.

The key words here are tightly compressed

Tightly compressed to the point that anything he doesn't like doesn't get mentioned.

Whenever I cross swords with him I always ask him to rewrite his passage about Jacques Cholet. Where Smith boasts that the whole church was investigated and nothing was found. Then I mention Cholet's own words and point out that he found some documents in the church. Smith instantly, without offering any corroborative evidence instantly dismisses them as fake.

He quotes Cholet as saying he didn't find anything but conveniently leaves out this piece from Cholet's report:

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RESULTS OF THE RESEARCHES

A) On my own account I excavated both under and behind the altar but found nothing.
I also excavated in line with and in front of the altar - again nothing. Under the staircase of the pulpit is another staircase that runs down to the cemetery. In the small tower to the left of the sacristy it seems that the stones of the party wall with the apse are arranged in the form of a discharging arch, but this is vague. Under the floor of the sacristy I found the beginning of a staircase running southwards. Its steps were roughly hewn and it was as wide as the entry to the sacristy. In the year in question I had to abandon my researches, as both my holidays and my financial resources had come to an end.

B) Some years later, a quite wealthy person agreed to finance my work, my holiday and my staff. So I returned. We wasted a great deal of time in vain discussions and in trips to obtain an excavation permit. At the beginning I was also made to tear up the floor of the church, starting from the pulpit: my sponsor, a pendulum enthusiast, had located the entrance of the underground passageways there - but we found nothing. I persevered as far as the foundations of the church, digging as far as virgin soil. We found the outline of numerous empty vaults. We resumed the same task along the south wall, with approximately the same result, the only difference being that all the human remains, which were missing on the other side, had been placed there higgledy-piggledy. On the advice of a female clairvoyant we were urged to excavate behind the Altar - but found nothing. The winter and the snow then obliged us to stop work.

C) With Mr. Domergue and his friends we dug an approach trench about 18 metres long through solid rock, starting from his property. Mr. Domergue was convinced that the entrance to the underground passages was near the Altar, but the approach trench got as far as the area underneath the altar and we found nothing. This same researcher had already dug on his own, starting from a place that was part of the former presbytery, following the course of a bricked-up chimney which seemed to have served as a breather. He abandoned it, having lost the route of the chimney. He also dug from the path that ran alongside the cemetery at the north-west angle of the cemetery, but again without result. He used explosives to remove the cover of a well situated on his property. It was there that he found the parchment of Dominique de Mirepoix. In principle it is in this well that the underground passage should emerge. In its inner walls nothing looked as if it had been made with human hands. He also began digging in the foundations, in the tank under the old forge, but without result.

D) Long before these excavations took place researchers from Carcassonne had shut themselves up inside the church. They excavated without asking anything and without saying anything afterwards as to whether they had found anything or not.

E) Plenty of other researchers have come and dug without result.

13) They say that, down the centuries, two people have succeeded in entering the underground passages:
A shepherd pursuing an escaped goat followed it into a hole where he found human remains and where the soil was strewn with gold coins. He brought quite a large quantity of the coins out with him but was accused of theft and executed. They also say that a priest found some treasure in the time of Louis XIV. In 1959, when I was working in the church, a postman came in and said to me: 'There is an underground passageway which runs from the church to the chateau, but I wouldn’t go there for anything in the world'. He also said to me: 'The Curé Saunière used to get a lot of money orders sent to him through the post'.



We've got your number Smith. Here is a genuine report honestly given by M. Cholet and Smith leaves out the bits he doesn't like.

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 Post subject: Re: The Madness of King Smith
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PhC wrote:
The madness of Paul Smith - and use of multiple pseudonyms, which he claims he never does - is in evidence here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Andr%C3%A9_Douzet

Take a look at the libellous claims he made on the page itself, and the over the top statements he makes on the Talk page.
It's quite funny when one Wiki editor states a webpage by 8-9 is not evidence ;-)

Smith doesn't seem to realise that most of the material posted by me on Wikipedia (here and elsewhere) was part of an experiment, as reported on in the recent edition of Nexus (in his words no doubt a "Fringe Magazine" with a worldwide circulation of more than 200,000 copies) - in which I highlighted Smith's antics. It's good to see that he - and Wikipedia - continue to follow what I said they did some months ago!

Also, do take a look at what is said in the article about Andre Douzet: namely that he was born, introduced the model to a larger audience, and is the author of three books. Yet neither Smith nor Wikipedia find this is "neutral" enough - and seem to suggest it is doubtful Andre was born and wrote three books??

It's good this is happening now, after the article on Wikipedia has received a worldwide airing, for if before people might say I was just being a sour grape - now, it's further evidence, if not proof, of an allegation.

Finally, one should question why Smith is bothering with a thing like Wikipedia today. A year or two ago, he and others could have been forgiven for not knowing its major shortcomings, but today, it is the subject of jokes every day (and definitely after the recent farce involving Ronnie Hazlehurst), with people on television laughing about its millions of errors.

Such an environment is obviously close to heart of Smith! I would definitely prefer the comfort of "The Fringe"... though despite using capitalisation, I assume Smith is not referring to the Edinburgh festival.

Filip


He seems to cite the critics of Andre Douzet as having cornered the market on the definitive truth. We do see the Paul Smith calling card 'charlatan' liberally used, no doubt who wrote this. In my view Wikipedia should be giving a balanced view, they don't appear to be.

I too have critics and thank goodness for that it is far better than being ignored. I wouldn't want that.

Smith is actually reading this forum I keep getting e-mails repeated over and over from him.

My response says it all Mr Smith.

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 Post subject: Re: The Madness of King Smith
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Smith is actually reading this forum I keep getting e-mails repeated over and over from him.


My email system has a "treat as spam" button. I click on it, I don't get any more emails from Mr Smith (until he changes his email address again, but then I just click again).


Oh, and if you're unfamilar with the work and position of the Fanthorpes on RLC and Oak Island then frankly that makes me wonder what you do know.

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Robert N wrote:
roscoe wrote:
Smith is actually reading this forum I keep getting e-mails repeated over and over from him.


My email system has a "treat as spam" button. I click on it, I don't get any more emails from Mr Smith (until he changes his email address again, but then I just click again).


I did answer Smith on my website in Comments. Frankly as soon as he decides to revert to reasoned argument instead of simple mindless ad hominem attacks only then will he cease to be ignored. He knows that but still carries on calling me names.

Basically he's ran out of argument and it's so obvious.

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Oh, and if you're unfamilar with the work and position of the Fanthorpes on RLC and Oak Island then frankly that makes me wonder what you do know


They practically worship the ground that Smith walks upon, that says it all for me. Frankly I only ever read French publications on RLC these days.

I know nothing about Oak Island except to say that anything that has an encrypted message that a child can read telling you precisely what is down there has to be a little suspicious. The burial place has been found, dig it up, job done.

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No wonder nothing was found in the church, the tomb is in Perillos. Who would put a treasure in a church, which is bound to be renovated at some point in the future? In regard to Sauniere getting funds in the mail, I read that it may not have been masses being sold, but miracles.

"In 1886 although he still had no salary he advanced personally 518 gold-francs (18130 FF - 1988) to start the repair work of the church. Nobody knows where the money came from even if he said that it was a gift from the Countess of Chambord, Austrian wife to the pretender to the French throne. This seems difficult to believe as she died that same year. More probably it came from one of his predecessor, the priest Pons, who was asking money to perform "miracles" on incurable illnesses." http://www.veling.nl/anne/templars/6_2.htm

I would think that more lucrative than simple masses, which any cleric could perform. I would assume that the "miracles" were being done through magical ceremonies. Nobody knows whether the notes found in bottles by Hammott are genuine but they are written in red ink, just like grimoires (books on ceremonial magic rituals) such as the Dragon Rouge always were. I don't think red ink is a standard for Catholic clerics. Maybe they thought they had found another Lourdes type site and were deriving the miracles from that, who knows? Here's a page with the texts of several grimoires, one mentioning miracles in its title- http://www.grimoires.com/
Look how similar some of the symbols on this page from Grimorium Verum are to those on side 2 of Hammott's bottle note as shown on his site http://www.benhammott.com/rennes-le-cha ... side2.html

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The Coume Sourde Stone is mentioned by Cholet. In this same report from Cholet he mentions that he was excavating around Rennes le Chateau in 1959. Smith says that Cholet was duped by Plantard et al into thinking the Courme Courde stone was genuine but there is no record Plantard was anywhere around Rennes le Chateau in 1959 - Smith says"so their influence may have impressed an unaware Jacques Cholet". Smith is completely guessing, he has shoehorned his prior belief into the story. He says that Cholet was also duped with the Dominique de Mirepoix parchment by saying some pranksters threw it down a well and Cholet found it.

Which pranksters Smith? Name them?


To Paul Smith.

The one who has SO much to say. But daren't allow any challenge.

Andrew Gough has challenged you to an interview on Radio RenneSSence.

If you have any credibility at all accept the invitation
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Catholic pastor Viktor R. Knirsch

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You know what the weasle does instead? Ban my IP address, so I won't get to see the nonsense he writes on his forum.

So this is "science" a la Smith?

Ban people from seeing the errors one makes, so that one cannot challenge the stupidity?

I am not joking now: someone should have him committed for a psych evaluation, as he's on the same course of self-destruction as David Shayler is. Conspiracy theorists - people who think they know it all and the rest of us are just delusional - all behave alike.

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You know what the weasle does instead? Ban my IP address, so I won't get to see the nonsense he writes on his forum.

So this is "science" a la Smith?

Ban people from seeing the errors one makes, so that one cannot challenge the stupidity?

I am not joking now: someone should have him committed for a psych evaluation, as he's on the same course of self-destruction as David Shayler is. Conspiracy theorists - people who think they know it all and the rest of us are just delusional - all behave alike.

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I didn't know that David Shayler was a RLC fan.

As for banning your IP address, try using a proxy server.

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roscoe wrote:
I didn't know that David Shayler was a RLC fan.


I don't know if he's a "fan" but our latest messiah has been there.

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They practically worship the ground that Smith walks upon,


You couldn't be more wrong.

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As for banning your IP address, try using a proxy server.


Well, the funny thing is that Smith doesn't seem to know - but he will know now - that he is actually banning IP addresses of various hotels, etc., here and abroad. I assume this is a very good thing, for soon, he'll ban about everyone in a hotel somewhere in the UK from reading his nonsense ;-)

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It's the only care in the community I do, Roger ! ;-)


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You know, Filip, as I see it, Psmith's greatest achievement is that we're wasting astonishing amounts of bandwidth discussing the imbecile.


Smith is extremely useful.

On another forum he was trying to push the point that no treasure was ever found around Rennes le Chateau and used the testimony from someone who had dug for treasure there in 1926 and found nothing in order to make his point.

What Smith didn't realise that in doing this he had confirmed to us that that this person was looking for treasure in 1926 and therefore there was an interest in looking for treasure long before Noel Corbu.

Smith has in fact blown away his very own theory that it was all started by Plantard et al in the 1960s.

Like I said Smith is very useful to us even though he doesn't intend to be.

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I've just noticed Mr. Smith has broken - once again - all copyright laws by posting an image of the Coumesourde on his forum. The man has no respect whatsoever, but no doubt, it'll be our fault and I'll get to hear it's ME who is wrong to insist to point out to him things like that... Of course, in the eyes of madmen...

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On another forum he was trying to push the point that no treasure was ever found around Rennes le Chateau and used the testimony from someone who had dug for treasure there in 1926 and found nothing in order to make his point.

What Smith didn't realise that in doing this he had confirmed to us that that this person was looking for treasure in 1926 and therefore there was an interest in looking for treasure long before Noel Corbu.

Smith has in fact blown away his very own theory that it was all started by Plantard et al in the 1960s.


As a teenager I dug for treasure in my parents back garden. Does that mean that there's treasure there? Is there any village, castle, old manor house in the world where people haven't looked for treasure? Was Smith's source even telling the truth?

Smith slightly contradicting himself hardly damages the overwhelming evidence that the whole RLC thing was invented by Corbu. Which is not Smith's theory but the facts as known by the majority of the population of RLC and the majority of people in France who have looked at the myths and legends.

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On another forum he was trying to push the point that no treasure was ever found around Rennes le Chateau and used the testimony from someone who had dug for treasure there in 1926 and found nothing in order to make his point.

What Smith didn't realise that in doing this he had confirmed to us that that this person was looking for treasure in 1926 and therefore there was an interest in looking for treasure long before Noel Corbu.

Smith has in fact blown away his very own theory that it was all started by Plantard et al in the 1960s.


As a teenager I dug for treasure in my parents back garden. Does that mean that there's treasure there? Is there any village, castle, old manor house in the world where people haven't looked for treasure? Was Smith's source even telling the truth?

Smith slightly contradicting himself hardly damages the overwhelming evidence that the whole RLC thing was invented by Corbu. Which is not Smith's theory but the facts as known by the majority of the population of RLC and the majority of people in France who have looked at the myths and legends.


Smith starts off with the explanation that this person knew Sauniere and then states that when he became an adult he started looking for treasure around 1926 and didn't find any. It is now 2007 and nobody has found any still.

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With Rennessence Radio, we've just finished interviewing Antoine Captier. He was ADAMANT that it was COMMON knowledge - no-one doubted it - that Sauniere had found a treasure in RLC. Now before we jump to conclusions, he added the treasure was likely secreted at the time of Revolution, and of local interest only - stuff hidden at time of Revolution. I simply don't understand why a man like Smith can't accept this. Though there are exaggerations one shouldn't go along with, Smith is unable to accept ANYTHING.
Again, in the 1940s, everyone in RLC ACCEPTED Sauniere had found something.

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With Rennessence Radio, we've just finished interviewing Antoine Captier. He was ADAMANT that it was COMMON knowledge - no-one doubted it - that Sauniere had found a treasure in RLC. Now before we jump to conclusions, he added the treasure was likely secreted at the time of Revolution, and of local interest only - stuff hidden at time of Revolution. I simply don't understand why a man like Smith can't accept this. Though there are exaggerations one shouldn't go along with, Smith is unable to accept ANYTHING.
Again, in the 1940s, everyone in RLC ACCEPTED Sauniere had found something.

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I suppose I should have said "and nobody has found any still as far as we know"

Jacques Cholet seemed to think that people from Carcassonne had shut themselves up there and dug around the church. He said:

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They excavated without asking anything and without saying anything afterwards as to whether they had found anything or not.


Smith quotes Cholet but always leaves this bit of his testimony out.

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Am I the only person he affectionately calls a senile old cretin? He signs off in his e-mail address as tropical plant. I take this to be an indication of his creeping Alsheimers or worse yet Parkinson's.

I see this as a sign of retro dementia. He is reverting back to a previous mental state he created as an alter ego to be able to nestle in some some of primordial hothouse and get high on the fertilizers dumped on these plants.

I have yet to get a coherent dialog going with him when I ask him to do a step by step walk thru on his critiques. The last one had to do with Stations of the Cross in a Church nearby RLC.

I am sure everybody was aware of the fact Palsy created an additional pseudonym to post to his own website about that Church in question so that he could critique himself, and did not succeed.

This is called part for the course in some circles, others call it shooting yerself in the foot, others call it foot-in mouth disorder, take yer pick. The sad part about all of this Palsy scenario is, he may actually have a humane side to him no one has been able to detect other than his mother, God bless her soul.

I would be more comfortable knowing if we are dealing with an actor in search of a role in search of a stage, or just another poor attention seeker who was ignored for the greater part of his life. It can't be easy being a bloke surviving on marmite on toast for breakfast everyday, or bangers and mash for supper.

I hope he has a real life and is not trying to find one on the 'Net at the expense of folk actually interested in intellectually pursing the RLC enigma.


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