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 Post subject: Re: Permanent Arctic Ice Vanishing - Satellite Images Misleading
PostPosted: 08 Mar 2010 1:24 pm 
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THAT, my dear Watson, er ah, Lovuian is what its all about. Just keep in mind a song by Tom Lehrer...we will all go together when we go in an incandescent effervescent glow...nook-u-lur,( good ole texan speek for ya) nuclear winter as a result, yep yer gonna have an instant mini ice age when sun light gets blotted out for a couple of years 'til all the radioactive dust settles down into the ocean again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frAEmhqdLFs

Sum fin to look forward to, yes... can I interest ya in some radiation free zones in south patagonia where the elite have set up a nuclear winter vacation spa?

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PostPosted: 08 Mar 2010 2:22 pm 
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lovuian says:
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...let's party ...


That's me.

I'm in.

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That's my dozen Madfish Riesling and another dozen of Springvale Pinot Noir.

What are you bringing lov?

And we want nothing cheap (or low) from you either Jabber!

I'll bring my Santana and (if I can find the blinky CD) a bit of Loreena. And for the end of it all.... Leonard in full drone.

Sounds good?

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Dang Wombat
we have the same taste in wine
I'll give you some of mine if you give me some of yours :wink:


I have kinda been into the Riesling wine lately
Absolutely LOVE IT!!!!
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and I love the Micro brews too

we have JB Brews here and I love the sampler :mrgreen:

Well if we were going out I couldn't have more jolly fellos :mrgreen:


Oh and to make things more glummer
today's morning headlines

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20100307/sc_mcclatchy/3444187

Growing low-oxygen zones in oceans worry scientists
WASHINGTON — Lower levels of oxygen in the Earth's oceans, particularly off the United States' Pacific Northwest coast, could be another sign of fundamental changes linked to global climate change, scientists say.

They warn that the oceans' complex undersea ecosystems and fragile food chains could be disrupted.

In some spots off Washington state and Oregon , the almost complete absence of oxygen has left piles of Dungeness crab carcasses littering the ocean floor, killed off 25-year-old sea stars, crippled colonies of sea anemones and produced mats of potentially noxious bacteria that thrive in such conditions.


Oh well drink up and be merry guys :lol: :lol: :lol:
the news media just can't make up its mind
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Oh man, I forgot to mention what's goin' on in sunny South France right now, hehehe...
http://www.english.rfi.fr/france/201003 ... ern-france

I hope Sauniere + Marie are snuggled up real cozy like, 'cuz, baby its cold outside in RLC .

Lovuian ya said merry, is she gonna show up at yer 'do?, hehehe

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Nobel Prize-Winning Scientists and Economists Call On Senate to Address Climate Change Now
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Nobel Prize-winning economists and scientists will deliver a letter to the U.S. Senate today, urging lawmakers to require immediate cuts in global warming emissions. The letter was signed by more than 2,000 prominent U.S. economists and climate scientists, including eight Nobel laureates, 32 National Academy of Sciences members, 11 MacArthur "genius award" winners, and three National Medal of Science recipients.

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or this...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2889372/Earth-under-attack-from-Death-Star.html

AN invisible star may be circling the Sun and causing deadly comets to bombard the Earth, scientists said yesterday.

The brown dwarf - up to five times the size of Jupiter - could be to blame for mass extinctions that occur here every 26 million years.

The star - nicknamed Nemesis by Nasa scientists - would be invisible as it only emits infrared light and is incredibly distant.

Nemesis is believed to orbit our solar system at 25,000 times the distance of the Earth to the Sun.

As it spins through the galaxy, its gravitational pull drags icy bodies out of the Oort Cloud - a vast sphere of rock and dust twice as far away as Nemesis.

These "snowballs" are thrown towards Earth as comets, causing devastation similar to the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago.

Now Nasa boffins believe they will be able to find Nemesis using a new heat-seeking telescope that began scanning the skies in January.

The Wide-Field Infrared Survey Explorer - expected to find a thousand brown dwarfs within 25 light years of the Sun - has already sent back a photo of a comet possibly dislodged from the Oort Cloud.

Scientists' first clue to the existence of Nemesis was the bizarre orbit of a dwarf planet called Sedna.



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Yes Serendipity
they call it Planet X or Nibiru
Like I said there are many factors here
and this maybe one the scientist and governments didn't want to tell us about

I know most systems are binary
and I know nibiru is mathematically possible

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qul0f8P6T3U
A mystery force was detected by NASA
Pioneer Anamoly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeijFs

I love this stuff :mrgreen:

So yes Serendipity there maybe more to these climate changes than just Co2 emissions

I fully agree
Though the Sun is a bit of a National Enquirer paper ...it does make some points

Hey did you see where this came from
Lafayette Louisiana :wink:

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 Post subject: How the worm turns.
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How the worm turns.

Dr. Phil Jones, director of the Climate Research Institute at East Anglia University, and IPCC scion, has admitted the following (as summarized by Indur Goklany):

• Neither the rate nor magnitude of recent warming is exceptional.
• There was no significant warming from 1998-2009. According to the IPCC we should have seen a global temperature increase of at least 0.2°C per decade.
• The IPCC models may have overestimated the climate sensitivity for greenhouse gases, underestimated natural variability, or both.
• This also suggests that there is a systematic upward bias in the impacts estimates based on these models just from this factor alone.
• The logic behind attribution of current warming to well-mixed man-made greenhouse gases is faulty.
• The science is not settled, however unsettling that might be.
• There is a tendency in the IPCC reports to leave out inconvenient findings, especially in the part(s) most likely to be read by policy makers.

From: http://www.masterresource.org/2010/03/w ... cientists/

How would you describe such an about face?

What could his motivation be?

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Or he wants his job back.

BTW are you long on renewables by any chance Roger?

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NOTE FOR NEW READERS: Who the fuck is Roger and where did he come from? Well, Roger got caught up in a Stargate and disappeared into another world. Before he left he had his alien friends remove all his posts. The only ones that remain are those that were cloned before the aliens got to them. So when you see Roger mentioned you know that he once lived. Some say that, not unlike the Ghost Who Walks, he has returned to this forum in another guise. But who knows?


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No. Are you well invested in oil shares, Wombat?

I prefer Uranium, Roger.

Wombat is nobody's advocate. You'll need to find somebody else to debate on that topic.

What I do advocate is the outing and removal of fraudsters who cloak themselves in so-called "scientific research" to do no more than push their biases down the throats of the ignorant.

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This article, from Spiegel Online, is a good English translation from the German of the current state of play. Eight easily read pages.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 97,00.html

It's so good to see this level of balance and objectivity starting to appear in the European media.

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Wombat, I am aware several countries have more uranium to extract than others, but the bigger quandry is how will it get used before that supply gets depleted which by current energy production would deplete faster than oil. Oil is based on rotted vegetation which also produced coal, but uranium is a different category altogether, yes?, it was essentially caused when the planet was created, yes?

Ya might be able to create isotopes of uranium or enrich spent fuel rods, but then again, how many nuke warheads does the planet need?

If anything is gonna get the masses off their asses is potable water.

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What's your take on the disappearance of the Aral Sea?


Clearly, it’s an environmental mess courtesy of the unaccountable comrades and their centrally planned economies. It’s part of the reason for ensuring that their fellow travellers, the climate change comrades and alarmists of the C21st, are exposed in the absence of irrefutable science, before they put the whole world’s economy into a similar situation, courtesy of their Carbon taxes on Western economies.
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However, at another level Roger, your question seeks a response to the Aral Sea mess in the absence of the answer to a broader question associated with it. And that is: to what extent is the economy of Uzbekistan (or the broader region if you like) better or worse off than it would have been, had the waters to the Aral not been diverted to cotton and other agricultural production in the region?

If you’d care to give a reference to the various cost/benefit analyses that have been undertaken we’d all be in a better position to put the mess into its correct economic context, at least.

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Sydney: from spectacular to uninhabitable
Doomsday reports are flooding Australia. They could be correct, says nicholas shakespeare

Within less than the span of a lifetime, Sydney could resemble a desert town like Alice Springs, or even the apocalyptic landscape from Cormac McCarthy's new novel, The Road.

Scorched by temperatures five degrees higher than today, lacking drinking water and yet battered by rising seas and ravaged by bush fires of the ferocity that last month blackened huge areas of Victoria and Tasmania, one of the world's most spectacular cities could be virtually uninhabitable.

So suggests a scientific report on climate change commissioned by the New South Wales government.

The report, which forecasts a 40 per cent drop in rainfall by 2070, presses hard on the heels of the shock announcement by Queensland's Premier that from next December state residents stand to drink recycled sewerage.
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http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/2947,news-comment,news-politics,sydney-50-years-to-live

Six Degrees: Our Future on a Hotter Planet (358 pages), ISBN 9780007209057 is a 2007 (2008 in USA) non-fiction book by author Mark Lynas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Degrees:_Our_Future_on_a_Hotter_Planet

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Part II; Rogers asks :
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What's your take on the disappearance of the Aral Sea?


1. A vision exists notwithstanding the naysayers:

http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0012/0 ... 6259mo.pdf

I was especially interested in one of the possible futures outlined at p. 83:

“Description of a future based on priority for agricultural and rural development
Supposing that there will be sufficient funds coming from outside the region, for example from the export of oil, gas and minerals, then it could be possible to imagine a society where a large part of the population is actively employed in agriculture and related services and industries. Australia is an example.
Would there be enough water to build such a society? Or said in another way, would water be a limiting factor?
In this case, priority would be given to agricultural development, applied research in agriculture, irrigation and drainage, soil science, hydrology and hydrogeology, water management and the social sciences. This priority would be supported by Governments, and salaries would be such that bright young people will be attracted to such careers and would remain in the profession.”

2. Big thinking solutions can help fix the mess if there is the political will to do so:

http://www.daviddarling.info/encycloped ... efill.html

3. New crop varieties will help:

http://www.adb.org/water/actions/uzb/fa ... ntists.asp

4. Progress is possible, especially with international help:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/05/world ... .html?_r=1

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Top climate change sceptic does U-turn
AN ECONOMIST dubbed the world's most prolific climate change sceptic finally admitted global warming was the biggest threat to the world and called for a $US100 billion ($112 billion) fund to fight it.

Bjorn Lomborg previously accused scientists, campaigners and the media of exaggerating the rate of global warming and argued that resources should be spent on more immediate crises such as fighting malaria and Aids.

The Dane said a lot of money is being spent on climate change with very little being achieved.

But in a new book to be published next month he calls for a $US100 billion fund to tackle the problem and admits climate change is "undoubtedly one of the chief concerns facing the world today", The Guardian newspaper reported.


http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/top-climate-change-sceptic-does-u-turn/story-e6frfku0-1225912567924#ixzz0yCQvsjI0


Collapse of ancient Ellesmere ice shelf stuns scientists

Source: Nunatsiaq News

A huge chunk of ice about the size of Bermuda has cracked off Canada’s largest remaining Arctic ice shelf.

The ancient slab of ice, measuring about 50 square kilometres in area and almost 400 metres thick, broke away from the Ward Hunt Ice Shelf on Ellesmere Island’s northern coast last week, the Canadian Ice Service said Aug. 25.

“The whole northeast quarter seems to have gone,” said Trudy Wohlleben, a senior ice forecaster at the service, who first noticed cracks developing on the shelf in early August. Satellite images over the last week have confirmed the huge chunk of ancient ice shelf has broken away, she says.

The breakup points to the profound change underway in the Arctic and the accelerating loss of a unique and “majestic” part of Canada’s landscape, says John England, University of Alberta earth scientist.
http://www.nunatsiaqonline.ca/stories/article/260810_collapse_of_ancient_ellesmere_ice_shelf_stuns_scientists

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Another update is

“This year, the ice seems to be fracturing all over the Arctic once again,” Wohlleben said in an interview, noting that 2009 had been quiet compared to 2008 and 2007.

Wohlleben was also the first to spot a gargantuan chunk of ice that calved off Greenland’s Petermann Glacier this summer. It is about 251 square kilometres in size - four times the size of Manhattan - and is drifting toward Canadian waters.

While the Greenland iceberg is much bigger, England says the loss of such a big chunk of the Ward Hunt shelf is in some ways more significant because the ice is so old.

“It’s not like these things come and go every few years or decades,” says England, noting that it would take centuries of cold weather to regrow Ellesmere’s ice shelves. “We can’t just sweep it under the carpet and say ‘It’s one of nature’s cycles’,” he said of the disintegration that shows little sign of letting up.

There are still several weeks to go before the Arctic ice pack reaches its minimum for this year. At this stage Wohlleben says it doesn’t look as if this will break the record ice retreat seen in 2007.

“But it will be close,” she said.

http://www.nunatsiaqonline.ca/stories/article/260810_collapse_of_ancient_ellesmere_ice_shelf_stuns_scientists

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lovuian quotes:
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“This year, the ice seems to be fracturing all over the Arctic once again,”


Here we go again. Don't you just love that scientific precision: "all over the Arctic once again"!

They’re just not coping are they?

While they might be getting desperate to turn a dollar from their precipitant green investments given the disaster that befell them at Copenhagen, thinking people don’t assume this calving is because of Global Warming. Even the left leaning Guardian doesn’t promote that view:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... -greenland

See para 10.

Also see the headline. "Biggest in 48 years". Do you know what that means?

Answer: 48 years ago there was an even bigger calving. Was that "all over the Arctic" too?

People need to recognize that Greenland’s Petermann Glacier ice cores give a current temperature of around - 31°C (that’s a minus sign). A warming of 7C° would bring it to - 24°C. What’s the melting point of ice again?

This is more alarmist propaganda. The IPCC is being rebuilt and the Alarmists are wanting to hype it again so that they can get their snouts back into the trough.

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Thanks Wombat always love to see your articles and see you haven't changed your position

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Bjorn Lomborg has which was surprising
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Personally, I would think the ice melt is caused by increased radiation reaching earth through a weakend magnetosphere which has been on "fire" nearly all summer long.

I'm really surprised it didn't collapse enough to destroy some space hardware....and who said it didn't. The VA state computer system has been having real problems for a week, and I think the local power grid has been having problems too (local retailers having no electricity, for no apparent reason).

The laws that they have put in place because of Global Warming that impact the construction industry are the most insane laws anyone has ever heard of. LEED/Green certification includes such things as harvesting the timber for a project without using modern equipment; they cut the trees using hand saws (not chain saws) and drag the logs out with horses AND the lumber must be harvested within so many miles of the project. How many of you know of someone within 500 or so miles of you that harvest timber the old fashioned way? Don't know of anybody? Really? Imagine being a general contractor trying to bid on a local school with this kind of stipulation. Oh, and by the way...it ADDS significantly to the cost of the project. A cost that is borne by the tax payers...me and you.

Or how about...in order to be LEED certified another local (government) project had to install lights that were motion controlled. If the lights didn't sense motion in the room they would automatically turn themselves off. Which means the receptionist, who doesn't move much at her desk, has to wave papers in the air every so often to keep her lights on.

They now want the farmers to fence off any streams on their property that flow into "Greenways" so that the cows cannot 'foul' the water if they happened to shit in it. Just how many miles of fence...and at whose expense? Which leaves many farms carved into little pieces because the cows can't cross the streams....and at which level are the fences to be put up? Streams are known to rise a great deal EVERY time it rains? So just how much land does our government think it should be able to confiscate because it eventually flows into a Greenway?

This is madness. And nobody notices. This is madness.

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It can happen

Well not quite lov. He denies it you know. You need to read the article especially paragraph 10. This is the url to it:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... nge-u-turn

I hope that helps.

And BTW, just to remind you of my position; yes I'm sceptical, but I have always accepted the IPCC's data on the measured warming over the last century. What I am sceptical about is the cause, and the fraudulent science that has concluded that it is man-made.

Serendipity makes the point beautifully about how this fraudulent science leads to unbelievably stupid policy positions.

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And the fraud continues:

http://climatechangedispatch.com/climat ... a-doubtful

Official: Satellite Failure Means Decade of Global Warming Data Doubtful

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This is somewhat long. However, I post it in its entirety because of its importance. It is appropriate that this thread have a copy of it on the record for those who are interested. As we all should be.

It is a copy of Harold Lewis's resignation letter from the American Physical Society. It is addressed to Curtis G. Callan Jr, Princeton University, President of the American Physical Society.

Who is Harold Lewis?

Harold Lewis is Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of California, Santa Barbara, former Chairman; Former member Defense Science Board, chmn of Technology panel; Chairman DSB study on Nuclear Winter; Former member Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards; Former member, President’s Nuclear Safety Oversight Committee; Chairman APS study on Nuclear Reactor Safety, Chairman Risk Assessment Review Group; Co-founder and former Chairman of JASON; and Former member USAF Scientific Advisory Board. It says it all:

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Dear Curt:
When I first joined the American Physical Society sixty-seven years ago it was much smaller, much gentler, and as yet uncorrupted by the money flood (a threat against which Dwight Eisenhower warned a half-century ago). Indeed, the choice of physics as a profession was then a guarantor of a life of poverty and abstinence—it was World War II that changed all that. The prospect of worldly gain drove few physicists. As recently as thirty-five years ago, when I chaired the first APS study of a contentious social/scientific issue, The Reactor Safety Study, though there were zealots aplenty on the outside there was no hint of inordinate pressure on us as physicists. We were therefore able to produce what I believe was and is an honest appraisal of the situation at that time. We were further enabled by the presence of an oversight committee consisting of Pief Panofsky, Vicki Weisskopf, and Hans Bethe, all towering physicists beyond reproach. I was proud of what we did in a charged atmosphere. In the end the oversight committee, in its report to the APS President, noted the complete independence in which we did the job, and predicted that the report would be attacked from both sides. What greater tribute could there be?

How different it is now. The giants no longer walk the earth, and the money flood has become the raison d’être of much physics research, the vital sustenance of much more, and it provides the support for untold numbers of professional jobs. For reasons that will soon become clear my former pride at being an APS Fellow all these years has been turned into shame, and I am forced, with no pleasure at all, to offer you my resignation from the Society.

It is of course, the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist. Anyone who has the faintest doubt that this is so should force himself to read the ClimateGate documents, which lay it bare. (Montford’s book organizes the facts very well.) I don’t believe that any real physicist, nay scientist, can read that stuff without revulsion. I would almost make that revulsion a definition of the word scientist.

So what has the APS, as an organization, done in the face of this challenge? It has accepted the corruption as the norm, and gone along with it. For example:

1. About a year ago a few of us sent an e-mail on the subject to a fraction of the membership. APS ignored the issues, but the then President immediately launched a hostile investigation of where we got the e-mail addresses. In its better days, APS used to encourage discussion of important issues, and indeed the Constitution cites that as its principal purpose. No more. Everything that has been done in the last year has been designed to silence debate

2. The appallingly tendentious APS statement on Climate Change was apparently written in a hurry by a few people over lunch, and is certainly not representative of the talents of APS members as I have long known them. So a few of us petitioned the Council to reconsider it. One of the outstanding marks of (in)distinction in the Statement was the poison word incontrovertible, which describes few items in physics, certainly not this one. In response APS appointed a secret committee that never met, never troubled to speak to any skeptics, yet endorsed the Statement in its entirety. (They did admit that the tone was a bit strong, but amazingly kept the poison word incontrovertible to describe the evidence, a position supported by no one.) In the end, the Council kept the original statement, word for word, but approved a far longer “explanatory” screed, admitting that there were uncertainties, but brushing them aside to give blanket approval to the original. The original Statement, which still stands as the APS position, also contains what I consider pompous and asinine advice to all world governments, as if the APS were master of the universe. It is not, and I am embarrassed that our leaders seem to think it is. This is not fun and games, these are serious matters involving vast fractions of our national substance, and the reputation of the Society as a scientific society is at stake.

3. In the interim the ClimateGate scandal broke into the news, and the machinations of the principal alarmists were revealed to the world. It was a fraud on a scale I have never seen, and I lack the words to describe its enormity. Effect on the APS position: none. None at all. This is not science; other forces are at work.

4. So a few of us tried to bring science into the act (that is, after all, the alleged and historic purpose of APS), and collected the necessary 200+ signatures to bring to the Council a proposal for a Topical Group on Climate Science, thinking that open discussion of the scientific issues, in the best tradition of physics, would be beneficial to all, and also a contribution to the nation. I might note that it was not easy to collect the signatures, since you denied us the use of the APS membership list. We conformed in every way with the requirements of the APS Constitution, and described in great detail what we had in mind—simply to bring the subject into the open.<

5. To our amazement, Constitution be damned, you declined to accept our petition, but instead used your own control of the mailing list to run a poll on the members’ interest in a TG on Climate and the Environment. You did ask the members if they would sign a petition to form a TG on your yet-to-be-defined subject, but provided no petition, and got lots of affirmative responses. (If you had asked about sex you would have gotten more expressions of interest.) There was of course no such petition or proposal, and you have now dropped the Environment part, so the whole matter is moot. (Any lawyer will tell you that you cannot collect signatures on a vague petition, and then fill in whatever you like.) The entire purpose of this exercise was to avoid your constitutional responsibility to take our petition to the Council.

6. As of now you have formed still another secret and stacked committee to organize your own TG, simply ignoring our lawful petition.

APS management has gamed the problem from the beginning, to suppress serious conversation about the merits of the climate change claims. Do you wonder that I have lost confidence in the organization?

I do feel the need to add one note, and this is conjecture, since it is always risky to discuss other people’s motives. This scheming at APS HQ is so bizarre that there cannot be a simple explanation for it. Some have held that the physicists of today are not as smart as they used to be, but I don’t think that is an issue. I think it is the money, exactly what Eisenhower warned about a half-century ago. There are indeed trillions of dollars involved, to say nothing of the fame and glory (and frequent trips to exotic islands) that go with being a member of the club. Your own Physics Department (of which you are chairman) would lose millions a year if the global warming bubble burst. When Penn State absolved Mike Mann of wrongdoing, and the University of East Anglia did the same for Phil Jones, they cannot have been unaware of the financial penalty for doing otherwise. As the old saying goes, you don’t have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing. Since I am no philosopher, I’m not going to explore at just which point enlightened self-interest crosses the line into corruption, but a careful reading of the ClimateGate releases makes it clear that this is not an academic question.

I want no part of it, so please accept my resignation. APS no longer represents me, but I hope we are still friends.

Hal



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Carbon Dioxide Controls Earth's Temperature
10.14.10

A new atmosphere-ocean climate modeling study shows that atmospheric carbon dioxide acts as a thermostat in regulating the temperature of Earth.

Various atmospheric components differ in their contributions to the greenhouse effect, some through feedbacks and some through forcings. Without carbon dioxide and other non-condensing greenhouse gases, water vapor and clouds would be unable to provide the feedback mechanisms that amplify the greenhouse effect. › View larger
Various atmospheric components differ in their contributions to the greenhouse effect, some through feedbacks and some through forcings. Without carbon dioxide and other non-condensing greenhouse gases, water vapor and clouds would be unable to provide the feedback mechanisms that amplify the greenhouse effect. Credit: NASA GISS Water vapor and clouds are the major contributors to Earth's greenhouse effect, but a new atmosphere-ocean climate modeling study shows that the planet's temperature ultimately depends on the atmospheric level of carbon dioxide.

The study, conducted by Andrew Lacis and colleagues at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York, examined the nature of Earth's greenhouse effect and clarified the role that greenhouse gases and clouds play in absorbing outgoing infrared radiation. Notably, the team identified non-condensing greenhouse gases -- such as carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, ozone, and chlorofluorocarbons -- as providing the core support for the terrestrial greenhouse effect.

Without non-condensing greenhouse gases, water vapor and clouds would be unable to provide the feedback mechanisms that amplify the greenhouse effect. The study's results will be published Friday, Oct. 15 in Science.

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