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Why should this octopus make us think of Ariadne, who helped Theseus slay the minotaur at the centre of the labyrinth?

I had written a long dissertation on the image of the octopus shown earlier.
How the body has been altered to show both the chalice and the heart.
How alike it is to the image of the seven sorrows of Mary with the flames taking the place of the arms of the octopus and that they are the same flames as on the wizened heart.
And the flames at the anointing of the French kings and how it was really a replication of the baptism of Christ.
Explaining how the octopus is not a sea beast and how it must be a porpoise, not a dolphin and what it means.
How Tantalus and Pelops are involved and the nectar of the Gods and the birthmarks of the Merovingian line.
Then moving on to Paul Smith's most excellent web site, where yet again it is possible to show the meaning of what he is adamant does not exist.
The Phi spiral and the Divine proportion and why the S comes before the P.
But above all, the spider, the seven dots and the difference between seven and eight and finally, the divided body.

But this morning this seemed as an illusion, for knowledge seemed not to matter, for all this is experienced by the heart, not known by the head.
For now Ariadne, or by whatever name she is known, has guided us past the illusion of the octopus to the entrance of the labyrinth, the web of our own psyche, where inside we must each do battle with the patterns of the past.

It is not an easy battle to win, but if we do we can change ourselves completely and the world we live in to a paradise on earth.

We have been given the tools if we did but know it as the next post will explain ....

Ariadne's Release


It starts at the centre of your soul,
that twisting turning uneasiness.
It plucks at the strands of your inner self,
the depths of your subconscious.
It rises slowly in your thoughts,
letting you think there's no solution.
It tells you that there's something wrong,
leaving you to phrase the question

The question that each man must ask
Before he rises from the dust.
Yet all that you can ask is why.
Feel, my friend, have another try.

When you think you've got it right,
That's the time to try it out.
How will you know if it passes the test?
You'll have a strange feeling inside your chest.

When this feeling starts to grow,
Nurture it, don't let it go.
Listen quietly to yourself.
Don't put your heart back on the shelf.

When this feeling is well established,
That’s the time to make a full list
Of all the qualities you hope to feel.
Well done my friend, you've learnt to kneel.

Now that you've risen from the ground
Don't forget your fellows all around.
Hold out your hands now that you have felt.
Hold out your heart, give them some help.

Now your work in earnest starts:
Cast your eye back on your past.
Questioning hard, the veil parts;
Heal yourself from first to last.

Question hard and you will find
The voice of truth within your mind.
Question hard and you will see
The pictures in your memory.

Now is the time to face the truth.
Not one of your answers will be obtuse.
Question hard is what I said.
Life and death hangs by a thread.

Now is the time, the time has come
To take your first step into the sun.
Let's make no bones about what we're talking -
Soon my friend, you should be walking.

Feel your heart-space opening wide,
Feel the birth pangs deep inside
Of the fifteen letters that form her name.
How can one ever be the same.

Oh, the pain of the opening heart . . . .
The death of the beast within.

The corners straighten now.
The labyrinth becomes a whirl.
The unfolding arms seeking out
the qualities they find about.
The rainbow’s hues, true colours of light,
mingle now, producing white.
Seven shafts of light the truth unfurls
gathering speed along the whorls.

Yes my friend, you've made the grade,
Never again you'll be in shade.
Unless you choose to be, of course.
T'would be fatal if that choice were made.


Well my friend, transmuted lead,
One more thing remains unsaid . . . .



PATHFINDER, LEAD ON



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There is also a small drawing, simple and to the point



We will find that the world changes as we ourselves change. It will be a miracle.

For now i must concentrate on Hidden Landscapes, which has a kick in the tail.
The pattern at Glastonbury can be repeated at Rennes as David Wood drew, but with corrections and additions from the Glastonbury drawing.
This points out various significant places.

So, the hunt for the treasure is on.
May you all be successful.

of the fifteen letters that form her name?

http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af3 ... EQUINE.jpg Try this please,if it works,thanks to my new best friend,richard.webster

I'm sorry Roger,did I do something to offend you?-- Bill

Presumably for writing on this ("Posting Photos"):
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2304&p=45268#p45268

But the key bit in there was this:


That way the photo will appear in your posting, rather than people having to click on it. And I'll be due a caning, a gating and a letter home.

Roger,Check me if I am wrong(which I am sure you will do),and I do not intend to sound cynical,but are not "blue apples"(this thread)related to the shepherdess parchment?Supposedly this parchment contains clues hidden in the artwork of two painters or a painter and a chicken(depends on who is posting)that pertains to a hidden object,either the holy grail(my personal favorite),much treasure, or some deep religious controversy,or for that matter possibly all three.If indeed these (this)artist hid clues in their (his)work,wouldn't it require some form of decipherment to bring them out.In my own case I was merely trying to show what I supposed was hidden therein,as I am sure is the case with the chicken group.btw,I did not in any way intend to desecrate mr.Teniers work as I have always been impressed with everything he has produced.Presumably you do not buy into the hidden clues in these paintings.I'm just asking----Bill

Roger,I do not believe the validity of the so called "Shepherdess Parchment"depends on the validity of the other documents that had allegedly been discovered by Berenger Sauniere in 1891.It has of course been said that all of these parchments were part of an elaborate hoax and had been authored by either Pierre Plantard or his associate,Philippe de Cherisey.de Cherisey did acknowledge his hand in creating or authoring some of these manuscripts,but does not so allude to the S.P..He in fact makes no claim to altering or fabricating this parchment.As you know the Shepherdess Parchment is actually an anagram of the letters on the tombstone of Marie de Blanchefort, who was also known to be connected to this mystery and died in 1781.Although the tombstone had been defaced for some unknown reason,an accurate copy had been recorded in 1905 by M.Elie Tisseyre,which,of course is evidence that it was created pre hoax.Many believe (myself included)that it would be nearly impossible to create a meaningful text by rearranging the letters from another text unless both were originally created with this in mind.There is much more information on this subject,including the creator of this parchment "Antoine Bigou".What happened to this text untill its alleged discovery in 1891 is open to much conjecture.A poster on this forum last week mentioned that any message created this way would have to kept simple.Yes rs2008 like me.-----Bill

Regards
Nic

Before you become too excited wayward, do some research on the provenance of said tombstone. Is there a certified reproduction of it? Like an accurate photograph? At best, Tisseyre did a quick sketch (no one really knows), so all the geomatricians who draw conclusions from lines drawn and their angles shoot themselves in the foot.
And that's assuming the reproduction we have is kosher.
Hiding clues in a tombstone created along normal lines is ok by me, but who in their right mind would produce an epitaph full of obvious mistakes in spelling and syntax, just asking for attention, hardly cryptic.

Well put RS, should other evidence of said tombstone come to light then it would give some credence to other theories/connections. As you rightly said, to purely base links to Bigou etc on Tisseyre's sketch is purely conjecture at best.
Regards
Nic

All good points mr.rs and nic,I havn't been into this subject in several months(except for this excursion),but do enjoy discussing it.I have to ask though why we are discussing blue apples,as that comes directly from this parchment?If it wern't for the shepherdess parchment the blue orbs of RLC and or St. Sulpice would be called just that "blue orbs".As far as I can tell the only mention of blue apples today comes from William Henry,although I did notice Roger talks of "blue grapes".I did see somthing the other day on this and when I put it together with what I already have I will respond.Hopefully I am correct but if not,oh well.----Bill

Just looked in on the forum tonight and am most surprised. Hardly any discussion. Never mind.
Quite a lot to think about, and work out.
"15 letters ...." Not some kind of magical incantation that will end the world - so its certified Jaberwok safe - but a proof of the poem. When you have it right you will know, and to prove it there is another 15 letter combination you can use. Quite stunning. I was in shock for about a week after decoding it. It makes you really think about what the RLC mystery is all about, it really brings it home.
Has anyone looked at the geometry at Glastonbury. It start in a nebulous sort of way but when the geometry proper kicks in it holds it all with absolute precision. Le Serpent Rouge is used a fair bit, plus 'the language of the birds.' Non French speakers will need a good dictionary to follow it. Yet another thing that makes the hair stand on end. One word of caution, you do need to understand the construction at Glastonbury properly before you switch maps back to RLC. With RLC you are on your own, though yet again there is a built in proof.

Wayward, that horse.

Blue apples. Yes, grapes, Christ, we know that. This is not about the obvious but the hidden. This revitalised thread started on Page 2 with a post by Eulalio Eguia. Makes sense to me. He mentions the Philosopher's stone. I mentioned it as equating to the heart. Blue heart (sad). Blue heart (Dead - no oxygenated blood). So it makes sense on many levels, which is exactly what we should be looking for. Remember the feather. We are looking for Truth. A Truth is true on many levels.
Also, look up 'blue pearl' a Sufi connection.
A pearl of wisdom. Aren't these all pearls of wisdom, hence an ideal thread to put them in maybe.

The veil, a peircing insight by Thomas D. The Culmination. Not so much a Coming, more a Becoming.

And Sauniere was into the cult of the dead. Are you SERIOUS??

are you???

Maybe you would like to argue a few points, point out errors, ask for clarification?

another time RM..... my bed beckons and i have lost the will to live

The blue of turquoise was both the sign of drought and fire for the Aztecs; it was also this stone which adorned the goddess of renewal and the stone which was put in place of a dead prince's heart before his cremation.

http://www.creatic.fr/cic/B117Doc.htm

Quite surprised no one has had a go at the 'fifteen letters that form her name' puzzle thats part of the Ariadne's Release poem.
http://andrewgough.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1032&start=135

You will need some kind of a template to hold the letters, so heres a helping hand:



Now all you need is the right phrase to put into it, which is easy as its part of the poem.
Now just tread the maze and you'll get the answer spelled out phonetically in the same style as Greg Rigsby's recent discovery http://andrewgough.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2863

If you really want to get those neck hairs rising, try another phrase in the template. For instance you could try the opposite sense of the first phrase and see if the phrase you get out is the opposite of the first answer.

Don't blame me if it gives you sleepless nights.

There is also a small drawing, simple and to the point





Queen Zenobia (Poussin i think)

pearl = margaret

Margaret's of Wisdom!

more demons emerge, but my painting is different from the one wayward posted.

Ok, this has been slightly driving me crazy for the past six months. Any other thoughts RenaissanceMan?

You mean the fifteen letters that form her name?

Its quite easy really.



You should at least be able to guess which letter is in the centre!

Ariandne's Thread has 15 letters?

What did you do to your post Hayward?

It disappeared while I was responding to it.


I was suggesting that by placing the "name" around the labyrinth in an appropriate way, letter's might line up and form new words.

If Ariadne's Thread is the correct "name" then playing with anagrams of it might get you the answer.