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 Post subject: Where was Rhedae?
PostPosted: 06 Jan 2010 1:00 am 
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Rhedae was Limoux.

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Well Roger, we got a crap shoot on our hands here, yes? Here's a small sample of what I ref to...
http://www.rennesalchemist.com/power-and-death.html
http://et-in-arcadia-ego.mezzo-mondo.co ... a-ego.html
http://www.rennes-le-chateau.org/storyv ... rhedae.asp
http://www.rennes-le-chateau.org/storyv ... hedae2.asp
http://www.netmefrance.com/renneslechateau.html
http://subtuum.blogspot.com/2009/07/st.html
http://www.tribwatch.com/wheel.htm
http://www.revelation2seven.org/WebPage ... Secret.htm
http://www.perillos.com/latindocument_1.html
http://home.clara.net/heureka/religion/ ... f-sion.htm
http://www.priory-of-sion.com/pos/enigma.html

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Post subject: Re: Problems with the Visigoth treasure at Rennes le ChateauPosted: 05 Nov 2009 6:53 pm

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Posts: 4084 There is a theory that situates the original Rhedae in the immediate vicinity of Limoux.
It's supported by a number of elements, not least of which is the presence of a now isolated church of St Pierre de Rhedae.

RLC is pretty much a non-starter for a fit with any of the early descriptions of Rhedae.


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 Post subject: Re: Where was Rhedae?
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Well there's a website called rennes-le-chateau-rhedae here

Run by he that shall not be mentioned. Last updated on the 5th Jan. The last posting in the forum was 4th Jan giving a link to this

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...using a photo on his webpage I have shot....reversed N's section.....but anyway: content removed

Back to the topic itself: I haven't actually his book at hand, but what names did Sabarthes list in his Dictionnaire topographique du département de l'Aude. Paris, Impr. nationale, 1912 for RLC?


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 Post subject: Sabarthes - Dictionnaire de l'Aude
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For those who don't have this useful book, it is available on archive.org at

http://www.archive.org/details/dictionn ... 00sabauoft


Here is the entry for Rennes le Chateau -

Rennes-le-Chateau, commune, canton de Couiza; égl. paroiss.
dédiée à sainte Marie-Madeleine; anc. oppidum
gallo-romain, chef-lieu du pagus Redensis ou
Razes, devint au XIe s. le chef-lieu d'une baronnie qui
comprenait : Rennes, le Bezu , les Bains, Montferrand,
Montazels, Moissau. Dent, Sainte-Eugénie,
Lavaldieu, .Saint-Just et Belfort de Voisins. — Castellum Redae, 1002 (II.L. V, pr. 162). —
Ambos castros de Redez , 1067 (ibid. , pr. 280, 2°). De Redes, 1068 ( Arch.nat. J 587).— Castrum Redes, 1070 (II. I., V, pr. 3oo).— Reddae, 1125
ibid., V, pr. 490). —• Castel de Redas, 1130
ibid, pr. 509). •— Civites quae dicitur Redes,
1179 (Arch. nat. , J .587). — Villa de Reddis. . . .
territorium Beate Marie de Reddis, 1185 (arch.
Haute-Gar. , Malte, Magrie, II, 41). —Beata Maria de
Reddas, 1246 (ibid., II, 19). — Sancta Maria de
Reddis, 1235) [ibid., XVIII, 27). — Rezae, 1258
(Rec. Hist. Fr., XXI V, 574). — Vallis dicta de
Redde, 1307 (Fonds-Lamothe, p. 7).— Rector de
Regnis, alias de Reddis, 1347 (arch. Vat., collect.). — Règnes, 1571 (arch. Aude, C, rech. dioc.
Alet). — Rehennes, 1428-1589 (bibl. Carc,
ms. 9551 f. 147). — Rénes.1647 (arch. Aude,
C, assiette dioc. Alet).— Rennes ..., un château à
quatre tours, dont trois carrées et une ronde, 1778
(arch. Aude, B, insinuât. Liinoux, ff.423 et424),.
— Rènnes ( vulg. ).

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For those who don't have this useful book, it is available on archive.org at

http://www.archive.org/details/dictionn ... 00sabauoft

Thanks for the link Nicole, a great bit of research data
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 Post subject: Re: Sabarthes - Dictionnaire de l'Aude
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For those who don't have this useful book, it is available on archive.org at

http://www.archive.org/details/dictionn ... 00sabauoft


Here is the entry for Rennes le Chateau -

Rennes-le-Chateau, commune, canton de Couiza; égl. paroiss.
dédiée à sainte Marie-Madeleine; anc. oppidum
gallo-romain, chef-lieu du pagus Redensis ou
Razes, devint au XIe s. le chef-lieu d'une baronnie qui
comprenait : Rennes, le Bezu , les Bains, Montferrand,
Montazels, Moissau. Dent, Sainte-Eugénie,
Lavaldieu, .Saint-Just et Belfort de Voisins. — Castellum Redae, 1002 (II.L. V, pr. 162). —
Ambos castros de Redez , 1067 (ibid. , pr. 280, 2°). De Redes, 1068 ( Arch.nat. J 587).— Castrum Redes, 1070 (II. I., V, pr. 3oo).— Reddae, 1125
ibid., V, pr. 490). —• Castel de Redas, 1130
ibid, pr. 509). •— Civites quae dicitur Redes,
1179 (Arch. nat. , J .587). — Villa de Reddis. . . .
territorium Beate Marie de Reddis, 1185 (arch.
Haute-Gar. , Malte, Magrie, II, 41). —Beata Maria de
Reddas, 1246 (ibid., II, 19). — Sancta Maria de
Reddis, 1235) [ibid., XVIII, 27). — Rezae, 1258
(Rec. Hist. Fr., XXI V, 574). — Vallis dicta de
Redde, 1307 (Fonds-Lamothe, p. 7).— Rector de
Regnis, alias de Reddis, 1347 (arch. Vat., collect.). — Règnes, 1571 (arch. Aude, C, rech. dioc.
Alet). — Rehennes, 1428-1589 (bibl. Carc,
ms. 9551 f. 147). — Rénes.1647 (arch. Aude,
C, assiette dioc. Alet).— Rennes ..., un château à
quatre tours, dont trois carrées et une ronde, 1778
(arch. Aude, B, insinuât. Liinoux, ff.423 et424),.
— Rènnes ( vulg. ).


It seems that Rhedae became depopulated because of the plague, as did lots of other settlements. What we're looking for is lots of graves.

The necropolis you spoke about at Granes may be worth looking into.

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Oh Sheila, it's too cold!

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What we're looking for is lots of graves


Actually that's not entirely correct.

What we're looking for is one mass grave with lots of bodies in it.

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Rennes-le-Chateau was long thought to be ancient Reddis. "Regis Cellis" translates as "Storehouse of the King - the Royal Vault or Keep". Arcis is the name of a near-by town said to be named for the Ark of the Covenant which is rumored to have been hidden in the area. As a phrase, these engraved words refer to the hiding place of the Ark in southern France. It was actually Limoux that was called Reddis or Reddas anciently. The church there was originally a "fortified keep" used by the Soldiers of the Temple, the Templars. Limoux is in an area once used by the Romans and built up by the Visigoths who settled in the district of the Aude after the sack of Rome.

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TEMPLE SOUTERRAIN is good. No Necropole.

Nearby a nice "map" from the tempel of King Solomon by Christian van Adrichom (Köln 1584)

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Boaz and Joachim the two pillars of the porch topped with the fleur-de-lys like flame?


Joachim was the husband of Saint Anne and the father of Mary, the mother of Jesus.

Boaz (also known as Anfortas) was the most important of the Fisher Kings. i.e. The wounded one in the Parzifal story in whose castle Parzifal saw the Grail carried out by a Damsel

The two families cojoin at Eurgen and Aminabab.

Aminadab's ancestry goes back to Josephus, son of Joseph of Arimathea. His line goes forward to the Merovingian and Frankish Kings: Clodius, Meroveus I, Childeric I, Clovis through Lancelot & Elaine, Galahad and on to Alfred the Great.

Eurgen's father was LLEIFFER LLEUVER MAWR ap LUCIUS of Wales. Follow the ancestry back and you'll meet some interesting people. Not least King Llud - The Sun King

So they are two pillars of the bloodline of the family of Jesus.

Incidently the sister of Saint Anne was Sobe who was the mother of Saint Elizabeth.

Both she and the Madonna are in this painting by Leonardo Da Vinci.

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Saint Elizabeth is of course the mother of John the Baptist

So
Jesus - Feast Day 25th December (Or the end of the the Winter Solstice) - ALPHA
John the Baptist - Feast Day - June 24th (Or the end of the Summer Solstice) - OMEGA

The ONLY two Biblical characters that have their feast days on the day of their birth.

Oh and I almost forgot

Joachim and Boaz are important to the Freemasons too.

But hey - It's ALL coincidence. :wink:

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There are different interesting details on this "map". Horologium Achaz for example.

Tour Magdala = Tour de l'Horloge. But where is the watch in RLC?

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Josephus, son of Joseph of Arimathea


Really!? Honestly!
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Of course

Some scholars who have studied it say so.

Of course it is only an opinion and as such only carries as much weight as your mates surmising that the first monks into Orval were Benedictine.

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I will accordingly set down my progenitors in order. My grandfather's father was named Simon, with the addition of Psellus: he lived at the same time with that son of Simon the high priest, who first of all the high priests was named Hyrcanus. This Simon Psellus had nine sons, one of whom was Matthias, called Ephlias: he married the daughter of Jonathan the high priest, which Jonathan was the first of the sons of Asamoneus, who was high priest, and was the brother of Simon the high priest also. This Matthias had a son called Matthias Curtus, and that in the first year of the government of Hyrcanus: his son's name was Joseph, born in the ninth year of the reign of Alexandra: his son Matthias was born in the tenth year of the reign of Archclaus; as was I born to Matthias in the first year of the reign of Caius Caesar I have three sons: Hyrcanus, the eldest, was born in the fourth year of the reign of Vespasian, as was Justus born in the seventh, and Agrippa in the ninth. Thus have I set down the genealog of my family as I have found it described (2) in the public records, and so bid adieu to those who calumniate me [as of a lower original].

2. [Now, my father Matthias was not only eminent on account of his nobility but had a higher commendation on account of his righteousness, and was in great reputation in Jerusalem, the greatest city we have.


The Life of Flavius Josephus translated by William Whiston.

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Was the quote about the link between Arimathea and Josephus

from Laurence Gardner perchance?

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Renne wrote:
Was the quote about the link between Arimathea and Josephus

from Laurence Gardner perchance?


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Some scholars who have studied it say so.


Intresting... name them.

Josephus says otherwise, but how would Josephus know, eh?


Not that Josephus. The one that was Josephus, son of Joseph of Arimathea. You know: That one.

Allow me to introduce you to a new concept that there may be people in this world who share the same forename.

Name Them?

OK I will right after you answer every unanswered question that I've asked you.

Let's start with the one about you showing me independent evidence that Jesus ever existed.

Both of us know that you can't do this.

So if your response is that the Vulgate Cycle carries no independent evidence I'll say 'Welcome to the club'

Hey I''m starting to like this nebulous debating technique of yours. Double Standards n' all
If you think this obtuse then this is what you look like to us.

Having said this in order for you to get the answer you ask is to follow the links I've already provided. But experience has shown that you are too butt lazy to bother doing that.

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“As a result of this twelve-year investigation, I have come to realize that history is a consensus hallucination. It is a myth upon which we all agree to agree.”
James Cameron, in the Foreword to his book -The Jesus Family Tomb:

The trick is to recognize this and carry on.

Meanwhile

RHEDAE is definately close to Carcassonne somewhere but probably not Rennes le Chateau per se. We've done this before, clearly you weren't paying attention Roger.

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Roscoe wasn't it you that pointed out the legend of the Visigoths that changed the river that the treasure was buried in by the Visigoths and then all trace of it was eradicated as best it could be and that would by default include the position of Rhedae be obsurbed by the event and by history in order that we sit here today scratching our heads and unable to prove except to take as much as is possible educated guesses with leaps of what some would call imagination to provide the links required in forming the hypothesis that Rhedae is in the region of Limoux, Carcasonne by virtue of the fact that it is related to the dunkirk-barcelona line and more than that it is a point of contention between the Spanish, French and British even up until this day.
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RHEDAE is defineately close to Carcassonne somewhere but probably not Rennes le Chateau per se. We've done this before, clearly you weren't paying attention Roger.


Maybe it was to help others who are still struggling with Geography, Roscoe. I for one have no idea still where carcasonne in relation to limoux and RLC are. Yes, I keep looking at maps but not the easiest thing to do when I've never seen it or explored. I've even seen some people criticise those who dare to this without having visited the regions. Well give me the plane ticket "george" and I'll be happy to get lost in France. :lol:

BTW what is your take on the underground Necropolis associated with Rhedae, Roscoe. I see you still looking to the heavens but ignoring Hades.
Maybe that is point now being explored?

I'm going to pre-empt you here, Roscoe the underground necropolis concept associated with Rhedae is not a new concept it is alluded to by various authors.

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Maybe it was to help others who are still struggling with Geography, Roscoe. I for one have no idea still where carcasonne in relation to limoux and RLC are. Yes, I keep looking at maps but not the easiest thing to do when I've never seen it or explored. I've even seen some people criticise those who dare to this without having visited the regions. Well give me the plane ticket "george" and I'll be happy to get lost in France.

Hi Rain,
In simple geography, Limoux is approximately 20km south west of Carcassonne ( 7 o'clock ), and RLC is approximately 13km slightly south-east of Limoux ( 5 o'clock ). Don't flame me for these figures people, they are just rough estimations, if someone wants to go into more detail feel free.
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