French woman's garden

marcus · **Joined:** 07 Jan 2009 1:30 pm **Posts:** 72

The term "French woman's garden" is a mistranslation of the Spanish "El Jardín de la Francesa".

The correct translation should be "The garden of the French", or "the French garden", named after the French invasion and siege of Girona in 1809:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Gerona_(1809)

A picture of the garden appears here:

http://www.pedresdegirona.com/Castella/ ... a_1_es.htm

Hope this helps.

Thanks
Marcus

BULLDOGNIC · **Joined:** 24 Apr 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1872

Quote:

The correct translation should be "The garden of the French", or "the French garden", named after the French invasion and siege of Girona in 1809:

Thanks marcus for finding that, because where Im from the term "French woman's garden" means something entirely different :oops:

Regards
Nic

VeryAngryMother · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2009 1:36 pm

BULLDOGNIC wrote:

Thanks marcus for finding that, because where Im from the term "French woman's garden" means something entirely different

Nic, you are a pickle!

crimson_dove · **Joined:** 25 Jul 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1468

bergeredearcadie · **Joined:** 07 Nov 2006 11:57 pm **Posts:** 3856

where Im from the term "French woman's garden" means something entirely different

What? : )

tingra · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2009 3:07 pm

oh what dirty minds you have :lol:

tingra · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2009 6:03 pm

Marcus
That does not look like the garden that i visited last year, the photographs i have of the garden are like the photograph Andy has on his Questing in Girona article (at least i think its that article). I have loads of photographs and even taken from a different angle i dont think it would look like that

Why would one small insignificant garden be named after the French invasions???? Of all the places to recognise these events it just does not make sense........not to me anyway :roll:

tingra · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2009 6:16 pm

Sorry Marcus
I have looked at your other photographs......the one with the water fountain (apparantly made by Joses wife) is the garden i remember and i am obviously just getting the angles wrong :roll:

Very nice photographs by the way

Is the black and white one yours or a post card?

crimson_dove · **Joined:** 25 Jul 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1468

English, French, Italian and Greek are not enough...for me. If any have quick Spanish and German lesson recommendations...please share with me.

I am seriously thinking of learning 'the dead language' of Latin. Any info on this too is so appreciated.

All of Me,
Paula

Eginolf · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2009 6:42 pm

crimson_dove wrote:

I am seriously thinking of learning 'the dead language' of Latin. Any info on this too is so appreciated.

Et ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam ... :lol:

crimson_dove · **Joined:** 25 Jul 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1468

Eginolf wrote:

crimson_dove wrote:

I am seriously thinking of learning 'the dead language' of Latin. Any info on this too is so appreciated.

Et ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam ... :lol:

i am serious.

all of me,
paula

crimson_dove · **Joined:** 25 Jul 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1468

Eginolf wrote:

crimson_dove wrote:

I am seriously thinking of learning 'the dead language' of Latin. Any info on this too is so appreciated.

Et ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam ... :lol:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Et+ceterum+censeo+Carthaginem+esse+delendam&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

really?

jakeabf · **Posted:** 27 Jan 2009 12:21 am

http://www.videosift.com/video/Pubic-Ha ... on-Designs

I got curious 'boot what Marcus, VAM + Tingra were so coyly bandying about so I looked at what some current takes of it are like on the 'Net. This was the closest to what I could find that had all the proper elements in it, a frenchman, a woman's garden and the naughty bits Tingra made ref to. I hope it meets with popular acclamation.

As usual I give the standard caveat emptor, I did not create it, I don't condone it, I am a merely a humble messenger in all of this. If ya have complaints 'boot it, e-mail the froggy behind it all.

guyjames · **Joined:** 02 Jan 2010 10:51 am **Posts:** 5

Firstly hi to all

- I live near Girona and speak Spanish and for my first post on this site I'd like to confirm that the 'Francesa' would definitely be a French woman. In Spanish one would usually say 'La Francesa' meaning 'The French Woman' - you could say 'La mujer Francesa' but the 'mujer' (woman) would be unnecessary as the sex of the person is implicit in the 'a' at the end of the word - for 'the French man' it would just be 'el Frances'.

Hope that clears that up, even in the midst of this (fascinating) Girona mystery...

Sheila · **Posted:** 02 Jan 2010 9:57 pm

Good evening stranger from near Girona....may i be the first to welcome you.

guyjames · **Joined:** 02 Jan 2010 10:51 am **Posts:** 5

thanks and hello Sheila!

rain · **Posted:** 03 Jan 2010 12:48 am

Crimson Dove:

Quote:

I am seriously thinking of learning 'the dead language' of Latin. Any info on this too is so appreciated.

http://au.search.yahoo.com/search?p=pro ... 8&ei=UTF-8

some links. I downloaded the latin for beginners awhile ago the pdf should be 313 pages.

If you look down the bottom of the links page their is a link to http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~tdavid/courses/hist482.htm

Quote:

Bilkent University

HIST 482

Latin for Medieval and Early Modern History II

Some Useful Online Resources:

Beginners’ Latin 1086-1733 (The National Archives)
Allen and Greenough’s New Latin Grammar (1903) (Textkit)
Charles E. Bennett’s A New Latin Grammer (1918) (Project Gutenberg) or here (Textkit)
Benjamin Leonard D'Ooge’s Latin for Beginners (1911) (Project Gutenberg)
Kirtland John Copeland’s An Introduction To Latin (1940)
Lynn H. Nelson’s LATGRAMM.AID
Latin Dictionary and Grammar Aid (University of Notre Dame)
Medieval Latin Online (University of Oklahoma)
Search for Dictionary Headwords (Perseus-Tufts)
Morphological Analyses for Inflected Latin Words (Perseus-Tufts)
Textkit: Greek and Latin Learning Tools

tingra · **Posted:** 03 Jan 2010 2:37 pm

guyjames wrote:

Firstly hi to all

- I live near Girona and speak Spanish and for my first post on this site I'd like to confirm that the 'Francesa' would definitely be a French woman. In Spanish one would usually say 'La Francesa' meaning 'The French Woman' - you could say 'La mujer Francesa' but the 'mujer' (woman) would be unnecessary as the sex of the person is implicit in the 'a' at the end of the word - for 'the French man' it would just be 'el Frances'.

Hope that clears that up, even in the midst of this (fascinating) Girona mystery...

welcome guyjames

you are very lucky to live beside such a gorgeous place. have you visited the garden?? its very atmospheric, especially on a dull cloudy day

Sheila · **Posted:** 03 Jan 2010 5:43 pm

Tingra has some gorgeous photos she took while in Girona....somewhere here.

richard.webster · **Posted:** 03 Jan 2010 7:53 pm

Sheila wrote:

Tingra has some gorgeous photos she took while in Girona....somewhere here.

They're here. Great photos, especially the ones of the garden.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2299

guyjames · **Joined:** 02 Jan 2010 10:51 am **Posts:** 5

thanks for the warm welcome

I've been in the garden many times although I didn't know its history until recently. It's weird but a series of coincidences/synchronicities surrounding Dalí and Grail mythology led me to 'City of Secrets' and conveniently enough it happens to be close to where I live!

Very nice photos there Tingra.

Can't wait for Patrice's next book about portals and Dalí etc... :?:

Sheila · **Posted:** 03 Jan 2010 8:15 pm

guyjames · **Joined:** 02 Jan 2010 10:51 am **Posts:** 5

Yes I was just reading about that Dalí /René Thom connection today; unfortunately I'm not very good at maths so I don't know if I could really understand catastrophe theory:

http://daliplanet.blogsome.com/2008/07/02/the-railway-station-at-perpignan/

But it seems at the very least the village of Périllos had some kind of catastrophe which SD was perhaps alluding to.

Most biographers just write off Dalí as a pervert or a moneygrabbing 'Dalí Dollars' - he was those things of course but a lot more besides and probably a lot more intelligent than most of his critics have given him credit for.

Seeker1 · **Posted:** 03 Jan 2010 11:47 pm

guyjames wrote:

Most biographers just write off Dalí as a pervert or a moneygrabbing 'Dalí Dollars' - he was those things of course but a lot more besides and probably a lot more intelligent than most of his critics have given him credit for.

His paintings show a interest in hyperdimensional geometry (hypercubes, etc.) and there is some evidence that he really understood the concepts of it.

Eginolf · **Posted:** 04 Jan 2010 7:54 am

AFAIK Dali and Lennon only met ONCE for dinner. This is what the press writes. Of course I got no personal information from rock stars.

BTW.
it was me who gave Coppens that hint about Dali's Perpignan train station painting, in 2003. When it showed up on his page I was a little surprised that he couldn't say thank you. But ... that's the way it goes.

This very painting by Dali impresses me since 1972, and in the original painting you notice a lot of gold nuggets that you don't see in a print. Funny thing.

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