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Hi viewers, did you know that both Dan Blankenship and Fred Nolan believe the pond/swamp in the mid section of oak Island to be man made, it's true.

Dan Blankenship told me and a witness in an interview on the island that the then Triton Alliance president David Tobias had some experts check out the 300ft long 9ft high bank of earth, holding back the pond. That ridge separates the pond from the Detour road and the investigators reported that it was artificially constructed.

Dan also told me that when Fred Nolan drained the pond some years back he saw a old rooted tree stump next to the bank where it would normally be under about ten feet of water, fir trees don't grow under water. and dumped ones don't take root.

Fred Nolan published his discovery of original three hundred year old pickmarks still visable around the edges of the swamp, similar to those said to have been seen in walls of the money pit. In my view those three discoveries constitute clear evidence that the huge pond and swamp over the hill to the north were deliberately excavated by the original people who dug the Money Pit. The excavation and removal of hundreds of tons of earth can only be justified if a huge treasure lies somewhere beneath the artificial pond/swamp.

These people believe the pond/swamp of Oak Island is man made.
Fred Nolan, Dan blankenship, Robert Young, David Johnston, Cerris Francis, Lionel Fanthorpe, the same people do not believe that there ever was treasure in the Money Pit. And Blankenship signed a project agreement with me/us that would give him a share of treasure we might have found found on - FRED NOLANS property, all true.

There may be howls of protest from Tank and D'Arcy who may wish to conceal things from you to futher their own business interest, if there are protest ask them both to seek verification themselves from the owners NOW and watch them both evade the challenge and do everything but personally seek clarification from the two owners.

Cerris

www.oakislandrevelations.com

You find the truth about Oak Island here.

Hiya,

this sounds very interesting I must say.
Is it definately a fir tree root?
Was it a salt water, or Fresh water pond?
How did the pond re-fill? ( if it is re-filled) Is it Spring fed?
Can you post a photo?

in anticipation, S.

Discussion of the swamp poosibly being man-made has been around for years. Why treat it as some new revelation?
300 year old pick marks still present at the edge of a body of water?
As Sheila mentioned, a photo would be interesting.

Macteague,



I would like to see that too.

Cerris,

I have no problem with believing that there are pickmarks around the edges of the swamp, however you can't really compare them to ones supposedly seen on the walls of the Money Pit, as we can't be sure what they looked like. Unless there are pictures of these pickmarks from the Money Pit, then I don't see how you can even use them to support an argument.

Just my .02 cents.

Indy

Hi Indy, you make a good point but we sometimes have to except the words of others as true or none of us could learn anything from books, how do we really know if there was a message stone discovered in the Money Pit for instance.

Dan blankenship told me personally the bank of earth that runs alongside the Detour Road on Oak Island was declared by experts to be artificial, he also said he saw a rooted tree in the deep end of the pumped out pond, I personally believe him because he had nothing to gain from lieing to me. He actually later signed an agreement with me/us to financially benifit from treasure recovered from Nolans propert, he also feels the pond/swamp is artifcial and there was no treasure in the Money Pit.

Fred Nolan was publicly quoted as seeing those pick marks around the edges of the swamp and they are still there, again why would he lie about that, I believe him. Everyone knows Fred will not let anyone go on his land so you either believe him or not as you will. We do not know if the pick marks around the swamp are the same as those allegedly discovered the Money pit because we don't have pictures of either place to compare them anyway do we.

You should take the comments of Tank and his buddy D'Arcy with a pinch of salt, they are not my friends at all and any suggestion that there is no treasure in the Money Pit or Borehole 10X is bad for business.

Cerris

www.oakislandrevelations.com

Hi Sheila, to be honest with you Dan forgot say what kind of tree it was so I assumed it to be one of the predominant fir tree growth that's spread across the island, however it could well be another species, either way they don't grow to maturity underwater.

I'm sorry but I don't how to put a picture on the forum but there are many satellite shots available on various websites, the artificial pond is the dark triangular area in the mid section of Oak Island.

The artificial pond contains fresh water and spring fed, in my view it was construsted to overflow at the apex or top of the pyramid shaped construction and northwards through a swamp to the beach at Joudary Cove.

Cerris

www.oakislandrevelations.com

Hi Macteague, true the discussions have been going on about the swamp for years, however, the bank of earth, rooted tree stump and pickmarks have to my knowledge not been mentioned before I disclosed them as three of my O I revelations. Yes Fred Nolan claims the pick marks were cut into the hard clay and he is adamant that they are still visable to this day.

Oh course I would also like to see the pictures of the swamp pick marks, Money Pit pick mark, and the alleged Message Stone but it ain't going to happen.

Cerris

Hi Tank, you and D'Arcy are in a position to ask the owners for the facts personally but strangely you both refuse to do so, if you guys have any doubts why not just ask them and I sure we would all value the new information that you bring back to us.

Cerris

www.oakislandrevelations.com

Actually, these topics have been in the public domain much longer than your "OI revelations".
As to the alleged pickmarks. At one time there was a smithy at the edge of the swamp. The marks could easily have been hoof prints left from horses drinking at the site.

Hi Macteague, if you wish to claim that there was any topic discussed on any forum or in any book about specifically,

1) Blankenship disclosing to me (and a witness) on Oak Island that the bank of earth was declared by experts to be artificial.

2) The rooted tree stump he saw in the drained swamp. (witnessed)

3) Fred Nolan's discovery of pick mark around the swamp.

then please give me/us the source of your evidence please otherwise they are MY O I Revelations that were given to me by those two men personally.

Cerris

Cerris,
I think you misunderstood my point. I was referring to the larger question of the swamp being artificial. I was not questioning your account of conversations you may have had with others.
A revelation implies a dramatic disclosure that was previously unknown. That is the reason I put "OI revelations" in quotes. It is a simple matter of semantics. In this case, I think "OI discussions" is a more appropriate term.
For example, item 3 of your post is " Fred Nolan's discovery of pick mark around the swamp." In two previous posts you state the Fred Nolan published his discovery of the pick marks. You see what I mean?

Macteague,



Great question, I can't wait to read the answer.

Hi Macteauge, Fred told me he was interviewed for a magazine in the sixties in which he mentioned the pick marks so I can't really say that is a something new, the stuff Blankenship told me certainly was a revelation because even Tank and D'Arcy didn't know about it and they have inside tracks with the owners.

Why don't you simply ask Tank to phone up ask his friend Dan Blankenship for you, and then ask D'Arcy to phone up and ask his friend Fred Nolan for you, I'm sure they would both be happy to inquire for you.

Cerris

www.oakislandrevelations.com

Cerris,
Perhaps you did not read my post in full. Allow me to repeat myself. I was referring to the larger question of the swamp being artificial. I was not questioning your account of conversations you may have had with others.
I also don't understand why you keep bringing up D'Arcy and Tank04 as sources to go to for information. Have you not supplied this information yourself in your first post?
You started this topic with the heading "The Artificial pond/swamp on Oak Island". You stated your opinion, others stated their own. One assumes that is what the conversation will be about. So, let's get back to it.

D Blankenship has also said the trees on the beach side were planted to hold up the bank there. Could this be what he was referring to? Would this be evidence that the swamp is artificial, or just a manipulation to keep a natural water source intact? I am inclined to believe the latter.

Cerris:

I understand your reluctance to pay long-distance charges, but wouldn't your argument be far more persuasive if you made the inquiries directly to Dan and to Fred yourself, and then relay to Macteague their first-hand replies? That would surely clear everything up.

D'Arcy

Hey Tank, check this out, Ranville posted a very complimentary "letter" from you on this other forum, complete with your photo.
I didn't know you were such a big supporter. It's about halfway down the page, among the other, presumably falsified, correspondences; http://farshorestwo.proboards102.com/in ... 1187090194

I think you should start a Keith Ranville fan club if you actually wrote that. BTW, can I have a letter of support too? Apparently, you'll give one to anybody who asks.

Since this thread is about the swamp, it looks like there would have been a swamp in that area naturally, being between the two drumlins. Maybe they modified it to make it deeper in the southern area. Why? Because it would make a good water source for the second flood tunnel. Using the ocean makes for a very complicated construction scheme, requiring a large coffer dam. Smith's Cove was fairly easy to dam off but South Cove would have been considerably more difficult, I would think.
Note that the distance between Smith's Cove and the Pit is about the same as the distance between the swamp and the Pit.
Why did dye show up in the South Cove seawater when put down the Pit? Probably other fissures were opened up by all the pumping of water through the Pit over the years. Dunfield found no tunnels from South Cove when he dug a big trench there. Therefore, it is very unlikely that a flood tunnel was actually constructed there. That's because the tunnel actually comes from the swamp, the southern part which Nolan was unable to investigate and which remains uninvestigated to this day. Blankenship is slipping, just like he has been for decades. Blankenship should try looking in the swamp, instead of that stupid borehole!

Hello stranger, welcome back.

Hi Sheila. I still read the forum but most of the time it isn't worth joining in. I couldn't resist telling Tank about Ranville's latest forum antics though. He has the same stuff on his blog that he linked, though he seems to have deleted the defamatory stuff he had on it before. I only looked at the first page, maybe the slander is later on.
I guess those things he posted must be true because here are the forum rules;

You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of ANY law. This is not only humorous, but legal actions can be taken against you. You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or you have consent from the owner of the copyrighted material. Spam, flooding, advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are also inappropriate to this forum.

I'm sure Keith wouldn't post anything false, other than his theories I mean. He seemed to be soliciting for funding, though, which is also against the rules. Rather odd that both Tank and the Sault Saint Marie Museum would use the same phrase "support in principle" though.
Tank didn't seem to have a problem with Keith's lame-brain theories in Jan. 2006. I, on the other hand, told him exactly how silly his stuff was after the first few e-mails. I let him go for a while out of pity but eventually I thought he should hear the truth. Needless to say, he didn't like it much, though he did stop the e-mails. I consider that a positive result.
Something I should clarify from my last post is why the dye didn't come out in the swamp. This would have been because the fissures were above the actual second flood tunnel, which may never have been dug down to. As for why Dunfield didn't hit either flood tunnel when he dug his "glory hole", as I said in a previous post, he dug in the wrong place. Quite obviously so because the Hedden shaft was left undisturbed and that was the only shaft that was actually in the real treasure pit location. All Dunfield hit were a bunch of the shafts dug by other treasure hunters somewhere in the vicinity of the treasure pit. He also didn't go deep enough to hit the second vault anyway because he only went 140 feet down rather than 153.

I just listened to Ranville's CKBW radio interview, linked from his forum post. It was brutal. Here's his new motto;

Keith Ranville Say's "If you haven't heard it from me, then it is probly not true" (his spelling).

Hi Macteague, I actually didn't know about Dan's comments regarding the trees along the bank were planted possibly to strengthen it, his opinion again makes sense to me. All I know is what he told my friend and I personally about the bank of earth being declared artificial by experts paid by Tobias. Dan suddenly offered the information to us and like everyone else I knew nothing about it. He was adamant that he had also seen a rooted tree stump not on the bank itself but in the bottom of the deepest part of the swamp, he was quite in agreeance with me that the pond was man made. I asked him if he thought that there might be treasure down it somewhere and he said, "Could be, there might be more than one treasure site on the island."

What if Dan later signed the confidential agreement with me/us because he knew that the swamp had to have been constructed for a very important reason. To excavate the site for the pond alone would required the removal of hundreds of tons of earth with a huge crater and a (tree reinforced) bank of earth 300ft long by about nine feet high. That's a lot of work to get hundreds of tons of drinking water. If that were the reason for constructing a fresh water catchment why not initially pick an island that already had a fresh water pond and save all that work, why would anyone need so much.

In my view the purely a fresh water source theory is illogial given the massive ammount of work done to create the pond and swamp, however that's not to say it didn't also have the more important use of providing insurance against someone just digging several random search shafts to locate the treasure vault deep below. If you have seen my website below will know that I believe an air bubble effect protects the treasure, once pierced the sea will flood the vault

Let's for the moment say I'm right, that pond alone is huge, hundreds of feet across, even if you drained it the chances of hitting the vault with a vertiacal shaft are slim because it could be a ten foot square room fifty feet down.

On the other hand the actuall location could be deep under the swamp over the hill to the north that is kept wet by the overflowing source of water trickling down from the artificial pond.

What you have to remember is that Danny Henngar (Tank) is the tour guide/director of the amateur OITS and he apparently pays the writer D'Arcy O'Connor (at least expenses) to give lectures at the EOID meetings, nothing wrong with all that but there is a little more to this.

I am not accusing anyone of shady practice but the OITS show essentually centers on the Money Pit and Borehjole 10X, with annual displays and tours raising money now along I come with these new statements of direct quotes from Blankenship and Nolan and it created a crises for them. Now unless they could shmear me, undermine my credability on the Oak Island Treasure forum or stop me even on this website forum the public might not want to continue pay to see the Money Pit and Borehole 10X.

On the Oak Island Treasure forum my popular topic "Oak Island Revelations" was damaging to their interest and this latest artificial pond/swamp subject was attacked by both Tank and D'Arcy as unproven. I asked THEM BOTH TO SEEK VERIFICATION from Nolan and Blankenship as I was only quoting what the two old treasure hunters had told me, they strangely declined and still do, I wonder why?.

Ask Dan and Fred, that was the last thing those two gentlemen wanted to do and instead Tank publicly asked the website owner Joanna Atherton (OITS member) to close my thread, she locked my thread which had just under 25,000 viewing hits. She had done the same thing and locked two other of my threads deemed to have been a threat to the OITS interest.

Oak Island is surrounded not only by water but a sea of mendacity, for years I have been fighting single handed to make people challenge illogicaly theories still presented as facts - for profit. I have put what I call revelations in the public domain for free, to counteract the constant deceptions of mercenary people devoid of integrity.

You may not be aware of this but I am a researcher on Oak Island who can locate and retrieve the artifacts, a big boast I know but true never the less. If we succeed it getting sufficient funding we will make our move.

Just as an experiment why not you (or any other viewer) now ask Tank and/or D'Arcy to seek verification direct from Blankenship and Nolan about the statement I claimed they made. Watch Tank and D'Arcy deviate and squirm, ignor all nasty little remarks about me and insist on a them seeking clear verification.

Cerris

www.oakislandrevelations

Huh? That's certainly news to me! As it would be to any of us other speakers at EOID conferences. We all donate our expertise, time, travel and accommodation expenses for the good of the OITS community as a whole. Hell, we even buy our own beer.

The ignorance of your statement, Cerris, is not the least bit surprising, considering that your knowledge about all things to do with OI and to Kidd/Avery is frought with speculation and shoddy research.

D'Arcy

D'Arcy,



I am shocked. Did they get you to do this for free?!!! ...the bastards.

So now we know that the Tank letter of support to Ranville is genuine. He actually had no objections to Ranville's completely ridiculous theories and saw nothing wrong with his asking people to fund his wild goose chase. At the same time, he thinks the most advanced OI theory in the world, ie; mine, is silly. Pretty much sums up the mentality of Danny Hennigar, I would say. And O'Connor apparently sees nothing wrong with any of that. Frick and Frack. How will Tank ever live down supporting the biggest kook on the Internet, especially when that kook is posting the letter all over the place?

In viewing aerial photos of the swamp, I do not see how it would be immensely difficult to manipulate an existing water source. Let us say a fresh water spring is running to the shore area. There are natural declivities in spots. If one had livestock on one's property, a pond would be desirable. It would not be difficult to create berms across existing declivities. Adding to the berms could be done over time, as the water level rises.
If you look at the aerial photos, you can see a land mass in the center of the swamp. Slopes along either side of it could have been the origins of what is there now.
This seems more logical to me than constructing a secret tunnel, then hiding it under a body of water. The chances of accidental flooding would seem to be higher than that of inadvertent discovery.