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Catholic Church asks Garda to examine if clerical child sex ring existed
Monday, 30 November 2009

The archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin has asked the Garda to investigate whether a clerical paedophile ring was operating in the archdiocese.

Dr Diarmuid Martin made the request to the National Bureau of Criminal Investigations after he examined files on paedophile priests in recent years. He was disturbed by close connections between a number of clerics who were later convicted of child abuse, according to sources, and asked gardai to investigate.

The priests included Fr Bill |Carney and Fr Francis McCarthy, neither of whom are any longer in the priesthood, and Fr Patrick Maguire, a Columban priest who is living under the strict supervision of his order. The three are among 46 priests named in the damning report by Judge Yvonne Murphy which found “no direct evidence” of a paedophile ring, but found “worrying connections” between a number of priests.

Fr Carney and Fr McCarthy worked together to prey on vulnerable children, visiting them in children's homes and, in at least one instance, abused the same child. Fr Carney and Fr Maguire brought children on swimming excursions together. Fr Carney also claimed that Fr Maguire could vouch for him when he was under investigation for abusing some of those children.

Fr Dominic Savio Boland, whose real name is John Boland, called to the home of a child who had been abused by another priest, Fr Ioannes, and proceeded to abuse the child himself.

“There is nothing in the evidence available to the commission to show how Fr Boland became aware of this young boy,” the report said.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/catholic-church-asks-garda-to-examine-if-clerical-child-sex-ring-existed-14580672.html

heheh, well that's what I get for using a hewlett packard computer with windoze vista at the local library. I saw the problem after the post was sent, I came back and saw what ended up on the forum. Well, if that's what ya can expect from usin' a shoddy PC with an equally shoddy OS, well guess what, I ain't gonna edit it. It will let it stand as a monument to the failed genius of Bill Gates' initiative to unload millions of free computers in libraries around the world who then pay a license fee to use his shoddy OS. WYSIWYG has never been the forte of a windoze run computer. That acronym was coined by Apple Mac users and it still applies.

This cite of Merry D sez it all yes?...It took Irish police 20 years to decide on a prosecution of one priest. Since the Irish police force is top to bottom controlled by freemasons, just like every police force in the west, this tells me they want this state of affairs and will do nuthin' to remedy it. It sez more 'boot the freemason agenda than anything else, IMHO.

Tom ya missed the banana boat dude with this one...The sad thing is that if, all those pages ago you had said, 'Yes, its an outrage, those poor children, I'll pray for them' we wouldnt be having this conversation now. I certainly did mention the plight of those kids and said the perp's should have benn dealt with immediately. Ya gotta do somethin' 'boot yer amblyopic myopia. Some folk ref to it as havin' a wonky eye.

The abusage of the term Catholic Church is the problem Tom as ya well know. Those priests are not the Church, neither is the Curia, nor the Pope. They show up, do their term of service, die and are replaced. the Catholic Church don't die and get re-born every time a Bishop or Pope dies or a new one is selected. The Church is the collective 1 billion faithful souls. The clerics are just the shepherds of the flock, that's why a Bishop struts around with a shepherds staff. When folk shag a sheep, its called buggery, yes? Did any of those clerics actually get charged + convicted for buggery?

The blatant hysteria you and Merry D post is proof positive that the era called the Great Apostasy is here. It means the era of AntC ain't that far down the road. The entire Tribulation period lasts 7 years. In that time will the Apocalyptic 7 bowl judgments and the 7 trumpet judgements will afflict the planet. This temporary blip of deleterious behavior perp'd by a small handful of clerics pales in significance as to what's to come.

So, Tom if ya get yer jollies off by gettin' a cathartic release from yer post's, why just knock yerself out dude, it will do ya some good. I will keep holdin' a mirror up for ya so that ya can keep preenin' yerself in the limelight, hehehehe

It's not a problem within the RCC alone, and any of the Protestant church's here has had plenty of the same troubles. When a leader holds so much sway over a congregation all sorts abuses are possible especially financial.

In a previous town for me the large and respected non-denominational church-school was scandalized when enough of the boys came forth complaining of the Pastors constant laying on of hands.

Recall the ex-Preacher in "The Grapes of Wrath" when he said he was so full of love he just couldn't help himself in loving all the young women in his congregation.

Abuse of power...

Let`s not classify P.S. with the above mentioned offenders.
I only mention him on here because you are all here reading
this thread. Get ready to vote your opinion on whether to reinstate.

My mother-in-law was the therapist at Leavenworth State Penitentiary. I`d like to think that
the work that she and her husband did changed some people for the better.
It is possible to change after all.
The Catholic question is another matter altogether.

Renne wrote:

It is possible to change after all.
The Catholic question is another matter altogether.

Renne,
I admire your outlook, rather like 'singing hopeful songs on dismal days' though I suspect in Jabbers case its kinda unlikely.

I'm flabbergasted that merely challenging his intransigent and morally compromised world view has me elevated to the office of Harbinger for the Anti C!
I hope it comes with decent ceremonial robes and Valet parking.
Then TCP and I can compare hats !
As with all jobs for Catholic Clergy there ought to be a stipend. Maybe I should get my people to call his people to do the details. We all know who's in there!
BTW If the clergy are not members of the Catholic Church then why does the 'Church' fund their existence ?
To be honest there's very little one can do to lampoon his fundamentalism more effectively than he does himself. I do hope Feliks lets it stand as a warning to shipping.
We could put a light on it and a fog horn to warn off the unwary traveller.

This morning some one did point out to me that I've made a major assumption here, namely that Jabber is actually a member of that fine body of 1 million faithful.
Mea culpa, as they say, mea maxima culpa.
In this respect his Apocalyptic ramblings do sound rather 'Waco' ( as in Texas) like.
Given the threat of imminent disaster it makes one wonder if you can buy Cool Aid in Sweden.
As Mary Poppins said, 'Just a spoon full of sugar helps the medecine go down'!

All eyes on the rolling news channels!
TD

Merry Devil
The church is crumbling
especially here in America
I have gone into huge beautiful churches only to see seven people over 70 sitting there waiting for mass.
The church is closing down many of the parishes and selling the land
thing is land prices has collapsed here. It is very sad

It all has to do with the celibacy rule and their not accepting women as equals
and now the abuse of children

In Saint Louis they tried to take the land of a parish St Stanislaus but the parish fought them
The battle still continues but the church excommunicated their board only to find another group to replace them
of which the church excommunicated them but only to be replaced by another group. The church wants the land.
Why for the money that needs to be paid for legal expenses. I'm waiting for the Church here to go bankrupt.


The crimes of pedophilia is quite damning ...this isn't going away

YO Roger, this is what its all 'boot. laddie- as louvian succinctly points out...In Saint Louis they tried to take the land of a parish St Stanislaus but the parish fought them
The battle still continues but the church excommunicated their board only to find another group to replace them of which the church excommunicated them but only to be replaced by another group. The church wants the land.
Why for the money that needs to be paid for legal expenses. I'm waiting for the Church here to go bankrupt.

I already pointed out the masonic controlled police dithering for 20 years, how come Roger?

Then louvian points out what I have been maintaining all along, the real owners of a parish + its property are the parishioners and not the pastor or his Bishop. The tax laws are skewed so that it appears on paper for tax status purposes the Diocese is the property holder, a flim-flam the Bishops concocted with connivance of IRS to wrest control away from the real Church body- the 1 billion believing faithful. I witnessed this Bishop flim flammery in South Florida when the Florida was subdivided into 2 Bishoprics.

The parishioners in the parish I belonged to were told carte blanche they had to join newly created parishes decided on by use of city zoning maps. These new parishes only had land bought by the Diocese and the parishioners were not consulted as to if they wanted a Church in high rent areas. The Church building-less shifted parishioners had to build a Church from scratch without a dime of help from the Bishop, who was using Diocesan funds to buy land for future Church building purposes.

It was expected that a parochial school would also be built once the underlying number of children could be created to fill those schools. Seeker ought to know the history of Hollywood, which is just a short ride from where he lives. It grew from 10,000 folks in 1950's to over 100,000 by 2000. It went from 1 parish to at least 4 maybe 5, I lost track 'cuz I have not had any contact with tha area n at least 20 years.

Once the Catholic Church gets out of the parochial school biz, every municipality will have to either build new schools, rent existing buildings from the Bishop or go the legal route, find a means to create a pedophile scandal and force the sale of all of these properties. What lame brain Roger fails to grasp 'cuz of a penchant for thinking like a socialist, he is fostering the climate of stealing these properties away from their rightful owners, the parishioners by making them legally responsible for debts + damages incurred by the actions of errant priests, who have zero equity investment in any parishioner owned property.

This is part + parcel of the Great Apostasy I have been mentioning for quite a while. I wonder if Roger sees his part in foisting this agenda on the 1 billion faithful who make up the Catholic Church.

Its a lame NO-Brainer to call the Curia and its agent Bishops + priests the Church. It just goes to show how completely brain washed folk are if they can't fathom the significant difference 'tween them. Its like sayin' all folk livin' in the UK are Labour party commies 'cuz they rule UK at present. I say commies, 'cuz explain to me why they sing the Commie Internationale to keep the red flag flyin' here? The real Labour party consists of the common folk who espouse the ideals of the Labour Party, yes? Since phony Tony lied thru his teeth to get the UK embroiled in wars in the Balkans + Mid East means everybody in the UK is equally guilty, due to the ergo factor, the Labour Party is in power. and reps everybody in the UK.

This is to enlighten amblyoptic myopia suffferin' Tom D... who said...BTW If the clergy are not members of the Catholic Church then why does the 'Church' fund their existence ?

The clergy are members of the body of the faithful, yes?, the distinction drawn here is that the priests are paid a monthly subsistence stipend in the form of a job for life, a house rent-free, medical + dental expenses paid for, an auto, owned by the 'parish' cost free to said priest, all 'donated' to said priest by the parishioners for services rendered to his flock.

If ya add up all of the perks, a priest on no fixed income lives a very comfortable middle class existence, yes? So along comes dimwit, or better yet, no wit Tom D who makes these incredibly naive statements as if they were on the level of a Papal Bull, how come Tom? I asked ya to go thru their requisite training, live their existence for a min of 20 years so that ya may slowly figure, I use this time factor, 'cuz its evident ya haven't learned that much in yer life so far, out what is goin' on.

To accuse all priests of complicity will find ya burnin' in the hottest part of hell, but that's yer free will in action, yes? Always keep in mind Tom D ya don't pay for yer sins now, that time comes later, and there ain't no Sauniere 'magic' rite-ritual to et ya out of hell. It don't help to apply sun-factor 1,000 lavishly on yer carcass now, 'cuz it ain't yer body that gets a taste of hell 1st when ya die, its yer soul dude, after the 2nd Coming its a different situation when both are conjoined + both suffer conjointly.

Now that's zakly what yer lookin' forward to, ain't ya Tom D? The unrepentent priests who perp'd their atrocities on those kids will be joinin' ya, don't that make ya feel even better Tom?

Dublin archbishop apologises to clerics' sex abuse victims
Wednesday, 2 Dec 2009

By Ray McMenamin

The Roman Catholic archbishop of Dublin has said that a cover up by the church of allegations of sexual abuse of children by clerics compounded the suffering of victims and resulted in more such cases.

Archbishop Diarmuid Martin apologised for the way the church dealt with the allegations after an Irish government-commissioned report said church authorities had covered up abuse.

"The damage done to children abused by priests can never be undone," Martin told a media conference in the Irish capital after the 26 November publication of the report into how the church handled allegations of abuse by its clerics.

"As archbishop of Dublin and as Diarmuid Martin, a person, I offer to each and every survivor, my apology, my sorrow and my shame for what happened," he said.

The report of the Commission of Investigation into the Catholic Archdiocese of Dublin criticised archbishops and auxiliary bishops in Dublin as well as the Holy See's ambassador, the papal nuncio to Ireland, and the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

It concluded that bishops in the archdiocese were more concerned with the reputation of the church than the welfare of children.
The report stated, "The commission has no doubt that clerical child sexual abuse was covered up by the Archdiocese of Dublin and other church authorities over much of the period covered by the commission's remit. The structures and rules of the Catholic Church facilitated that cover-up."

Four archbishops, John Charles McQuaid (who served from 1940 to 1972), Dermot Ryan (1972-84), Kevin McNamara (1984-87) and Desmond Connell (1988-2004), were, according to the almost 650-page report, aware of complaints of sexual abuse of children by priests of the diocese.

"No words of apology will ever be sufficient," Archbishop Martin said. "The damage done to children abused by priests can never be undone."

Martin's predecessor as archbishop of Dublin, Cardinal Connell, himself criticised in the report, expressed regret at his failures.

"I have experienced distress and bewilderment that those placed in a position of sacred trust could be guilty of such heinous offences and cause such appalling harm to vulnerable young people," he stated. "I wish to express without reservation my bitter regret that failures on my part contributed to the suffering of victims in any form."

The commission of investigation was appointed in March 2006. It selected a representative sample of complaints or allegations of child sexual abuse made in the period from 1 January 1975 to 1 May 2004 against Catholic clergy operating under the aegis of the archdiocese of Dublin. The sample consisted of 46 priests and more than of 320 children.

http://www.melbourne.anglican.com.au/main.php?pg=news&news_id=22952&s=157

T.D. - You are to be commended for reading all of these posts! I don`t know anyone else who is up to the job. Yes, I think that Jake is a member of the Irisih Catholic Church, but even the Catholics on here are objecting to his line of defense of them.

I would like to see you in a fancy hat like TCP`s, I miss seeing pictures of his hat on his kitchen table and hearing about his life in Hollywood. Where did he go? Is IBJ still down?

I`ve been told to go ahead and start a poll about the return of P.S. to the Forum. We`ll see how this democratic experiment goes.

The topic of this thread is too disturbing for me, but down here near the border the situation is worse with even younger victims in the mafia trade.

Errant priests were sent down here as a cover-up and as a result, the churches are crumbling because all of the money is going to settle law-suits.

Renne I'm somewhat aware of that and it's very sad.

Very recently I visited a cousin in Phoenix and her physician husband and I were discussing this same trouble.
He travels back and forth to San Diego for work and spoke of how the Gringos don't have to go to Tijuana anymore for their illicit business and that the gangs now import the kids right into the Phoenix area also, or much more so than before...the money is huge in human trafficking and "safer" than drug running.
I'ts very prevalent now he said.

This link is explicit but truthful...warnings...

http://www.usborderpatrol.com/Border_Patrol880.htm

Jabber,
Thank you for your latest outburst.
I can understand the feelings of rage and deep humiliation that drive you to lash out in this offensive way.

Its okay.

Rather than being the cause of another intemperate episode all I can add is to refer you to the answer I gave above and hope that your pain will soon be eased.

Kind regards,
TD

Second priest in sex claim tip-off
Thursday, December 03 2009 @ 08:35 AM EST

THE Catholic Church's chief sexual abuse investigator in Melbourne has for the second time tipped off a priest that he is the target of a covert police inquiry.

The action by Peter O'Callaghan, QC, has infuriated police and drawn a strong rebuke from Victoria's top sexual crime detective.
In the two separate cases, the priests were told by Mr O'Callaghan that they were under investigation without the consent of detectives, before police had interviewed them and while the inquiries were at a covert stage, leaving them open to potential compromise.

Mr O'Callaghan is appointed and paid by the Melbourne Archdiocese to privately investigate sexual abuse allegations made about priests and refer victims to a compensation panel.

The most recent tip-off occurred this year. It involved Mr O'Callaghan telling a Victorian priest, via his lawyers, that police were investigating him over sexual assault allegations first made to Mr O'Callaghan by a parishioner.

Mr O'Callaghan learnt of the secret police inquiry after a detective asked him to provide documents about the priest.

In 2007, Mr O'Callaghan tipped off now-convicted priest Paul Pavlou, telling him via his lawyers that allegations about Pavlou's relationship with a 15-year-old boy had ''been reported to the police and apparently police are considering the matter''.

At the time, police were investigating allegations - initially relayed to Mr O'Callaghan by the victim and his mother - that Pavlou had committed indecent acts with a minor and may have looked at child pornography. Pavlou later pleaded guilty to these offences in court.

Mr O'Callaghan's conduct has angered investigators and the victims' lawyers, with concerns it has cut across the work of detectives and risks compromising inquiries.

The barrister has defended his conduct, saying the priests had a ''natural justice'' right to be informed that he had stopped his church-sponsored investigations because police had begun their own inquiry.

But when asked about Mr O'Callaghan's conduct, the head of Victoria Police's sexual crime squad, Glenn Davies, said it was critical that it was left to police to tell suspects that they were under investigation.

''It would be better for police investigators to notify the suspect of the investigation in their own time,'' Detective Inspector Davies told The Age. ''It is advantageous that the suspect is unaware of the investigation until the police are in a position to interview them. This stops collusion between parties involved and ensures critical evidence is not destroyed.''

Mr O'Callaghan told The Age that even if police asked him to keep secret the existence of their inquiry - which he said they had not - he would refuse. ''I would not consent to such a course because of my duty to keep both parties [the priest and the complainant] in respect of the investigation I had been conducting fully apprised of relevant matters,'' he said.

But Inspector Davies stressed that detectives must be able to launch inquiries without the suspect knowing they were being targeted. ''In many investigations it is not ideal for the suspect to be notified of the investigation prior to police contacting them,'' he said.

Mr O'Callaghan has also stressed he tells all victims of their ongoing right to contact the police.

However, in at least one case, it is believed investigators are concerned at Mr O'Callaghan's advice to a victim that the allegations were unlikely to be held as criminal by a court. Police sources and lawyers have said the allegations, if proven, would constitute a sexual assault.

Inspector Davies said: ''Victoria Police urge anyone who is a victim of sexual assault to contact police and have the matter fully investigated. We are the appropriate authority to deal with these matters as we have the legislative powers.''

Melbourne Archbishop Denis Hart said he ''always believed the police were supportive of [Mr O'Callaghan's] processes'', but said he would act on any police concerns.

In August, the archbishop dismissed calls to review the Melbourne Catholic Church's handling of more than 450 sexual abuse cases over 13 years.

The alleged victim in the more recent case declined to comment but the mother of the victim in the 2007 case remains angry at the church inquiry process.

See Also

Abusive priest was told of police investigation

http://www.theage.com.au/national/investigations/abusive-priest-was-told-of-police-investigation-20090809-ee9h.html

http://www.theage.com.au/national/sec...-k6b6.html

Renne wrote:

T.D. - You are to be commended for reading all of these posts! I don`t know anyone else who is up to the job. Yes, I think that Jake is a member of the Irisih Catholic Church, but even the Catholics on here are objecting to his line of defense of them.

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Well it may be that not everybody has the same extremist interpretation of being a Catholic.
Judging by the deafening silence it would seem that his minority of one is not a popularly held position.
However, it is his right to express his views in whichever way he chooses regardless of how bigoted they may seem.
Best look the other way out of polite embarassment
TD.

I agree, TD, the problem is not his militant defense of Catholicism (and in particular pedophile priests), it's that combined with his views of non-Catholic Christianity (e.g. Protestantism and Orthodoxy), Judaism (see: loads of nonsense posted about the Talmud and Talmudic-Gnostics, some kind of bizarre creatures that live only in Jake's mind ... the Talmud is anti-Gnostic), and most other world religions that really show him to be a fundamentalist bigot.

You're either with Jake, or part of the Great Apostasy. And the good thing is since all of us are apparently part of the latter, Jake appears to rather enjoy our coming end-times chastisement.

Oh well, I guess that a certain RLC scholar is not that interested in rejoining the Forum as we thought.

TCJ - it is not easy living so near the border and close to so much hard-heartedness. There are open slave-markets in Mexico City and kidnapping is a business of theirs. Sometimes I see some of those types at the market, their eyes have no soul.
As for the subject of this thread, they will all be judged on the other side. It is important to believe in the Judgement.

Well Seeker, when a credentialed rabbi sez the whole gnostic shebang is a talmudic inspired enterprise, accordin' to the link I posted to it, its all his work and not mine, yes? I do as all academics do, I cite my source. Now, if you and that rabbi don' see eye to eye, that's a whole
'nother smoke yes?

Talkin' 'boot smoke, how's this gonna grab the pot heads on the forum, hehehe...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... sease.html

Ganja does the same thing, especially when folk are blendin' in other substances to enhance the kick. The point I make here is, an addicted personality disorder is just that, a personality disorder on the fringe of being a borderline psychotic if the addiction triggers are present. Now that's what I call playin' god with yer own demons, hehehe, may the most cunning devil take possession of yer soul, hehehe. Where that exorcist Sean when ya need him, every U.S ghetto is filled with these addicts.

In case folk are totally illiterate, I never defended a single pedophile priest, I expect them to face justice ASAP, and not let the police play god for 20 years and dither around with these cases. My take still is only the guilty should be punished and not 1 billion faithful be plundered of their assets. A court has no biz stealing what isn't theirs to steal. A priest is not an owner of the faithful parishioners property.

Rabbi's have been caught + tried for the same crime, but their Temples have never been confiscated, so how do ya account for that Seeker?, accordin' to yer logic, every Jew who ever stepped 1 foot in a Temple run by a pedophile rabbi is automagically guilty, just the way the courts treat the parishioners in a parish where a pedophile priest is caught, there ain't no difference, yes?

What does the Talmud have to say 'boot pedophilia? Seeker, its expected behavior from a rabbi, yes? Benjamin Friedman has lots of cites from the Soncino edition he quotes from, shall I post all of them? In his open letter to a Catholic convert Dr Goldstein who published a Catholic newsletter is where I got my info.

BTW, seeker, I didn't create the mention of the Great Apostasy, a very famous Jewish convert did, ever hear of St Paul? Another very famous jew, St John who wrote the Apocalypse describes what happens as a result of this Apostasy. So, ya should be glad some very dedicated Jews are lookin' out for yer best interests, yes?

Happy Holidays.

There are several different topics of discussion here. It is a shame that some parishes
are losing their chapels in order to pay for lawsuits, I`ve seen those cases on the news.

In the Alexandrian Gnosticism of the Nag Hammadi Codices, there are no positive
references to their neighbors up north in Israel. I don`t know how one would compare
the Talmud and Gnosticism, their tenents are so different.

So Jake, what is your take on the Anti-Christ? To me, he`s an Al Qaeda type and
a hater of women.

What a magnificent rack!

The worshiped Dale Earnhardt "3" on a newborn goat can't hold a candle to that.

It's idiotic nonsense like this that keeps you on ignore.

It's not even worth refuting.

are you being serious??

Sheila wrote:

Quote:

...an Al Qaeda type

are you being serious??

Sheila, are you being serious?
Rhetoric, my favourite of the seven liberal arts!
TD

I agree with you lovuian on the celibacy rule, it’s certainly a part of the problem.

And with “The crimes of pedophilia is quite damning ...this isn't going away”

I only hope that when they do go bankrupt; the new owners don’t turn those beautiful buildings into parking lots.

Best!