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Wow, Brian has learned the meaning of parallel. Brian's a big boy now. Contrary to starboys belief, one parallel line does not a solution make.

Cerris,

I will never give you a one syllable answer, it is too much fun allowing you to pick through my postings and see you squirm and mash up my words. You are being rather silly and pompous...., again.



Oh, that. Hey the offer extends to you too. Come on over and I will introduce myself to you, then you will know who I am. Well, was it “something like” or was it what I posted? Surely you would not twist my words or tell an untruth would you? Tell us again how it is that you believe Kidd was on Oak Island, what was your proof again?

The newspaper article speaks for itself. Your inability to get a retraction also speaks volumes. Tough life, but when you lay with dogs.......

Hi Tank, at my age 0f 67 I have no wish to have an explanatory meeting with you, however if I come over I will send a big younger representative along to see you and explain who he is if you wish.

Do you really think I will let you off the hook after you keep comeing back provokeing me, think again. I can keep this up as long as you sir and up the ante if you and your dozy mate persist in trying to attack my credability and bring my integrity into disrepute with your libelous smears.

For the third time I challange you to prove you are a man of integrity who would not willfully smear me by answering my question in public, regarding my statement on the internet that "Paul Hallam was never my partner" are you calling me a liar, YES or NO.

Cerris

Cerris,

More threats. I don't think you can pull it off, in fact, I think you are fast going to the bottom of the barrel looking for shocking things to say.

Keep it up, this is very entertaining, and funny too. I wonder what is next?

Cerris,



That is not what the newspaper say............

Hi Tank, Mr Danny Henningar, again you try to smere me by implying I faulsely twisted your words so I have taken the trouble to plough back through post on the Oak Island Treasure Forum.


Topic: The Spyglass Inn, the pirates haven. (24,157 viewing hits and riseing) Page 26. Post 1149. Your post to Paul Hawkins. 1:59pm. Saturday. June 05. Quote:

"Paul, in my humble opinion and without predjudice, you are a nasty, vindictive, arguementive man, with a perchant for thinly veiled insults for people with no just cause." and "Well you want to know who I am, well you come to Nova Scotia, sooner than later, anytime, and I will DEMONSTRATE precisely and exactly who I am" I told the truth from memory.
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For the FOURTH time I challange you to prove that you are a man of integrity who would not willfully smear me by answering my question in public. it is in regards to my statement on the internet that Paul Hallam was never my partner. Are you calling me a liar, YES or No.

Cerris

Cerris,

Wow, you impress me, you must keep every posting I ever wrote, very good, thanks for the compliment. Just as a reminder, I was defending you at that time, I guess those days are long gone.

I don't have to "smear you" you have done that all on your own, all I had to do is sit back and watch the house of cards tumble by your own hand.

I pity you now. Sitting there in Southampton, crying woe is me, lashing out, smeared by your own publicity machine and you resort to physically threatening people. How pitiful is that?

I will make a prediction that I am comfortable with. You will never get a chance to dig for treasure or exercise your theory on Oak Island. You have ruined all chances with those you needed to impress. Before you twist my words, I do not include myself in that statement, I swear before the almighty ruler that I will give you a tour of Oak Island if you come to visit.

Now why don’t you calm yourself down before you have a heart attack. Life is too short to carry this much anger all the time.

PS: Just to keep the record straight, that was no theat, that was a promise.

Hi Tank, Mr Danny Henningar, because you implied that YOU would never theaten someone, it was necessary the seek proof of your own guilt. What part of my sentence "so I had to plough back through old post" didn't you understand, I checked several peoples post on my OIT topics to find yours, it was admittedly a trivial pursuit but necessary in order to prove which of us has integrity.

You replied to Hawkin's angry question on your own account not mine as can be clearly accertained by your agressive answer, quote " You come to Nova Scotia and I will demonstrate precisely and exactly who I am".

Remember Danny I don't don't start trouble, I retaliate. It's not a case of tit for tat now so don't delude yourself, you and your buddies essentually took over the Oak Island Treasure Forum and systematically drove me off, I won't forget that. To add insult to injury you have without provacation both smeared me over this Hallam business and your buddy has made trouble for me in other ways. You have both made an enemy for life in me, I never used to be vindictive but no more mister nice guy now.

You should forget about giving me a tour of the island because if I get my shot you and you buddy will be completely frozen out and I will endeavour to ensure you never again set foot on Oak Island, get the idea.

All your predictions are worthless because at the end of the day money talks. If someone were offered a percentage providing they dropped you two gentlemen do you seriously suggest they would decline to make millions out of friendship for you two wonderful people, yeah of course they would.

Whilst you sit over there running your own little show smug in your deluded belief that I will never make back over there you'd be wise to also consider the possibilty that I will return and I could even gets the treasure up. Well I'm sure you can predict the outcome, you are obviously good at that. A wealthy man has great power and I will help many good people but I will also punish the bad ones don't worry about MY health, that's not a threat old son it's MY prediction.


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For the fifth time I challange you to prove that you are a man of integrity who would not willfully smear me by answering my question in public. It is in regards to my statement on the internet that Paul Hallam was never my partner. Are you calling me a liar YES or NO?

Cerris

Cerris,

I am satisfied with any and all explanations I have offered to you. In fact, I have gone overboard with my reaching out to you, way beyond what a reasonable man would, yet, you slap my hand away repeatedly.

Lets get back to the crux of the matter before people get too bored of this ridiculous parry and thrust.

Your theory, though exciting, has no basis for believing William Kidd is the architect of Oak Island. Your insistence that people simply trust your word is heavily overshadowed by your business contacts like Hallam for example and your lack of credentials as has been observed by David Tobias and Dan Blankenship, smart men.

Fred Nolan no longer has reason to entertain your ideas and in fact has distanced himself from you as have many posters on this forum and the world's premier Oak Island web site, www.oakislandtreasure.co.uk You kicked yourself off OITF with your careless, insulting posts and inability to back up your claims with even a sliver of proof. That is why you languish here, in a netherworld.

You are in fact, quite alone in a scary world with few OI friends left to assist you in your “Don Quixote” like quest. I have tried to open your eyes, but they remain firmly shut and you figuratively have your fingers jammed in your ears saying "nananananana, I can't hear you!"

Your baseless threats are a sad commentary to your questionable legacy and your idle comments are boring beyond boring. Backed into a corner, I will lash out too as Paul Hawkins found out, and guess what, he never did come to Nova Scotia to have me "demonstrate precisely and exactly who I am." Should you ever be able to “send a big younger representative along to see you and explain who he is if you wish”, then all I can say is I have met this type of challenge before with a yawn and I await your first move, go ahead, lets see how that works out for you.

I think what I am going to do is simply respond to you in PPMs from now on as this is really too much for anyone who wants serious progressive Oak Island dialogue. At least you can say you still correspond with a genuine Oak Island tour guide. That may very well be your last clambering toe hold with Oak Island, how pitiful is that?

I have to wonder why Cerris needs half a million to find out if his theory is true or not. Why not just rent a well drill and drill a little hole where the treasure is theorized to be? You don't need a TTL to drill a well. Then when the treasure is hit "by chance" while drilling the "well" Cerris will have a throng of investors beating a path to his door. Based on merely his word, as seen on his website, nobody would be crazy enough to invest one dollar in what appears to be yet another crackpot theory with no actual basis in fact. That's the hard reality of the situation.

Danny Hennigar, aka "Tank", that implies such a powerful image, invertibrate would be more approprate. I just bet you want to only talk to me in private messages now, you were not so nervious about entering into a non provoked capaign of me smereing in public. When I asked you to stop your libelous inuendo you showed what kind of man you by only whimpering to me in private messages instead of answering me in public like a man.

Your other pathetic ploy is to name other people so they can come to your aid, that is because as the Americans aptly put it, "You can dish it out but you can't take buddy." Cluck cluck cluck.
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For the sixth time I challenge you to prove that you are a man of integrity who would not willfully smear me by answering my question in public. It is in regards to my statement that Paul Hallam was never my partner.

Are you calling me a liar, YES or NO?

Cerris

Tank:

Your contretremps with Cerris is starting to get boring. Why not simply answer him with a "YES" or "NO" (the answer matters not a whit to me), and then maybe he will go away and commune with the rats in his council flat. (Oops; my bad. I was thinking of a fictional character; not Cerris).

D'Arcy

D'Arcy,

You have got to be joking. why bother, he will never stop his siliness and really, I don't want to continue with it. It would be like asking his buddy Brian to be nice.

A "simple" answer yes or no answer, will give him weeks, perhaps months of new material while real treasure hunters get back to work at Oak Island.

I'll answer Cerris in a PPM as promised.

Hi Tank, as I predicted when you are in an awkward position you always seem to bring in help, this time from your buddy who is now trying to provoke me in order to take the heat off you. There is little you will not stoop to in order to avoid giving me a straight answer, when it comes down to it that's the kind of man you really are.

In respect for Jo I disengaged from the topic but an update arrived you could not resist making jibes, I bet you're regreting it now mate. On the Oak Island Treasure website you had a lot of people (including the moderator) in your pocket and you (and your buddies) could say what you like to me with complete impunity, here you have to be responsible for your remarks.

My post were constantly followed up with off subject topics in a campaign of contrived hyjacking. I don't post there much now because I had one topic locked by a member of your OITS when I had not contravened the guidlines of the forum at all. This was done simply because a bunch of the members of your OITS did not like me saying that I believe the treasure to be under Fred Nolans property, that's because he wont answer your calls, allow tour on his land, or attend any of your meetings.

People must now be wondering why you don't WANT to give me a straight answer in public as your loyal friend advised, it's not rocket science is it, a simple little three letter word and you have the choice of two.
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For the seventh time I challenge you to prove that you are a man of integrity who would not willfully smear me by answering my question IN PUBLIC. It is in regards to my statement on the internet that Paul Hallam was never my partner.

Are you calling me a liar? YES or NO.

Cerris

I must take exception to Tank's implication that I am not a nice person. Fact is, I'm one of the nicest guys around. Anyone who approaches me in a non-offensive and non-idiotic manner is dealt with in a polite and respectful manner. Ask Andrew Gough or Sheila if I have been anything but nice to them.
If I have been other than nice to a person then that person has their first clue that they have a serious intelligence and/or personality problem. Yeah, of course I'm not going to tolerate belligerent fools going around on public forums calling my highly advanced theories stupid, silly or any of the other unwarranted insults they choose to use. When you identify yourself as an offensive jerk in that way then obviously I am going to use my superior intellect to make you look like a flatworm, which you pretty much are if you happen to be Tank or D'arcy, for instance.
If you're dumb enough to make yourself a target for imaginative revenge put downs, you really shouldn't complain when they are forthcoming. Remember, I was on this forum long before Tank and D'arcy decided to show up and poke the tiger with a stick. Doesn't seem like it was such a great idea now, does it fellas, after being the butt of several of my more inventive and highly appropriate dumb guy jokes. Maybe you would have done better to stay on that forum where you are protected from people like me, you know, intelligent people who don't suffer fools gladly.

I should also mention that Tank is cruel not to say yes or no to Cerris. All he asked for was one itty bitty little yes or no and Tank wouldn't give him one. Now that is just being mean. I bet Tank wouldn't even give the guys he dragged into the station for questioning a can of pop. Tank is just not a nice person. I think he should be known as Cantankerous Tank, because of his mean spirited disposition.

I'm unsure how this imbroglio between Cerris and Tank04 spilled over from another forum to this one. It did, however, cause me to read the article in dispute. A bit from that article :

He [Mr.Hallam] says he saw no conflict of interest between the court action and his becoming the business brains behind the expedition to find treasure, which is hidden on an island off the coast of Canada. Along with Mr Frances, Hallam had appealed for public help in raising the £300,000 needed to finance the mission....
The man [Mr. Francis] who has dedicated much of his life to researching the legends of notorious British pirates and their ill-gotten gains says he has already cut all ties with Hallam.(From Southern Daily Echo)

It seems to me that some sort of partnership existed. Mr. Francis' claim that "It is in regards to my statement on the internet that Paul Hallam was never my partner. " seems to be attempting to shut the gate after the horse got out.

Hi Roger, may I take this opportunity just to clarify my theory please because I am often misquoted.

I have never claimed that I believe that Captain William Kidd was the mastermind behind the great subterranean system of Oak Island, on the contrary I feel he may have only taken one fast return detour voyage there. After he left the Delaware Capes he had a window of had six days to do so before arriving at Gardeners Island.

The usual objections to any Privateer/Pirate like Kidd being connected with Oak Island are as follows:

Kidd would not have had the time required.
Thats true, however he would not have had to even be there if a mineing engineer were paid to design and oversee the work in his absense.

Kidd was never known to have sailed to Nova Scotia.
Not officially, but I have confidential information to the contrary.

Kidd would not have had the required mining skills.
Quite true but he certainly had the money (along with others in a covert syndicate) to pay a corrupt mining engineer who did.

Kidd would not have needed the O I system just to hold his treasure that he could have simply buried. True but it's my theory the system was designed to protect a below sea level vault that would store the plunder of several privateers. In my view the illegal facility was not available to common pirates who did not like to bury their treasure anyway, contrary to common belief as soon as they got their il gotten plunder they spent it fast.

If you would like to take a look at my website you may be interested but it is necessary to scroll down the tiny anchors to read the script.

Cerris

www.oakislandrevelations.com

Hi Macteague, this is not just about the reporter or the features editor assuming Hallam was my partner in error, I don't have a problem with that missunderstand because it was an honest mistake and the news staff are still supportive of me/us. It is my intention at a klater date to do another interview and I will personally make it quite clear as to the extent of my/our aqauntance with Hallam.


The issue is now that I made a public statement on the internet clarifying that Hallam was never my partner in any sense irrespective of how it appears, he was an intrusive wanna be and that's a fact.

At that one interview this persistant guy just helped me to hold a O I a picture for a photographer, and kept butting in with stuff he had down loaded on O I. later when I went to get a tray of coffies he might well have deliberately given the impression he was one of my team. The others actually shunned him as a pest where we meet at the local golf course clubhouse. I felt the guy was a lonely man on the edge after a messy divorce and I didn't want to be harsh and tell him to take a hike, in hindsight perhaps I was too soft, such is life.

Most people couldn't care less but I take exception when Hennigar continued to besmirch my integrity after my public statement, he still cast aspertions here so I replied here. I have taken advise and I am assured that AFTER making my public statement the onus is on that man to produce evidence to support his remarks that still bring my integrity into disrepute. I have cut to the chase and repeatedly asked him to give me a straight answer, YES or NO, his clear reluctance to do so speaks volumes.

Cerris

I think Tank is a very indecisive person. I don't think he knows himself if the answer is yes or no.
In regard to pirate theories, though it is possible that pirates buried a treasure on Oak Island at some point in time, I don't believe it would have been connected with the protected treasure pit or the OI Cross. Those are clearly the work of an esoteric religious group with an affinity for geometry and astronomy. Take, for instance, the depth of the second vault, 153 feet. That number is associated with the Vesica Piscis figure, whose central oval shape has a height to width ratio of 265/153. Also, the 153 fish in the gospel story. Here's a page about the Vesica which some may find interesting; http://www.bibleonly.org/exp/24q.html , you have to go about halfway down the page.

I don't know how things work on this forum, but is there any way this thread could be locked? If that is too harsh, could a moderator or adminstrator at least step in and control things a little bit?

Now I'll just step back into the shadows.

Indy

It is a rather odd thread to be used so much, being on the topic of "Newbie". How about this for a thread; "Tank, yes or no, the vigil continues".

Hi Roger, if you have viewed my website you have a good idea of what I theorize happened, I have some good confidential evidence that Kidd WAS on Oak Island at some point on his return from the Indian Ocean and that two vessels were used by him after leaving the Mona Passage.

I believe he had brought back Every's treasure along with his own from the Indian Ocean so even if the plunder were sent to Oak Island in two vessels Kidd would be very generous to his friends as he dropped his wealthy crewmen ashore in different places. At a time when a governors annual salary was about £20.00 Every paid each of his crewmen a £1,000, those people could buy anything or anyone including a corrupt mining engineer to design and oversee the construction of the great subterranean system of Oak Island.

After their first meeting possibly somewhere in the Bahamas Kidd and Every did not have to meet up or even be on Oak Island more than once where they would eventually join up again. What skills, labour or supplies or even sloops they needed they bought, money talked back then as well.

A resident guard force would have been perminantly stationed on the island but the vessels arriving would need to be fast shallow drafted sloops such as Every and Kidd both purchased in the Carribbean Sea.

There was nothing to stop a privateer transfering some of his plunder unto his own fast shallow drafted sloop (essentual for Oak Island) in the same manner at some prearranged rendezvous, one more sloop among dozens in deep sea fishing fleets would pass by unnoticed.

I believe the great subterranean system of Oak Island stretches half a mile from Smiths Cove to the swampy mid section of the island and consist of several deep shafts and linked tunnels that protect a below sea level storage vault. This involved shifting hundreds of tons of earth and useing hundreds of logs and about two miles of criss cross tunneling. This was too much work to hold one box of treasure which Kidd could have simply buried as he did on Gardiners Island, to justify the massive ammount of work and the cost the contents had to be really immense, like accumilated treasures belonging to several privateers.

Cerris

www.oakislandrevelations.com

Hi Roger, can you elaberate on "Tom's river" details please.

Cerris

The Delaware Capes are approx. 585 nautical miles south of Oak Island. At an average speed of 5 knots (which would have been fast for a small sloop at that time) and perfect sailing conditions, it would have taken almost 5 days north, then 4 days south.
A 6 day trip from the Delaware Capes to Gardener Island via Oak Island would not have been possible.