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Ya know folks I can take a joke with the best of them. Seeker wondered why 2 practical jokers straight out of Lamy's description of Verne used Jewish pseudo's to write a French based book.

The missing ingredient is to be able to substitute Yiddish expressions in suitable places, so it comes off like a Seinfeld monolog. The usual 'oy veh' stuff, nuthin' more dramatic than that. I have a partial list of some commonly used Yiddish expressions that would be useful in describing persons, or situations Ike is awkwardly depicting in a ham-handed manner. Had he resorted to a straightforward sprinkling of these Yiddish terms his monolg would come across considerably smoother.

Ya see, Ike never depicts the upbringing of any of his characters. Ya never get the sensation they had any vestige of a home life. He never inserts a homey, in touch with reality description in his text. Schlock haus comedians who developed their act in the Borscht Belt practiced on live audiences to discover what it takes to make an audience follow their schtick. A good example is to watch some current Sarah Silverman routines.

Ike really piqued my interest in this missing element when he attempts to steal all the Jewish thunder he can and attribute it to wandering Chaldean Manicheans, 3,000 years before Mani showed up. He made that mistake with his take on angels. It seems he did his own version of aha, and took it for granted since Abram came from Ur of Chaldea, everything we consider Jewish is really a Chaldean Manichean makeover 'cuz of Abe's inputs.

Joseph + Moses refined their act in not-so kosher Egypt, another 'link' to keep things out of a Jewish sphere of thinking.

The woman who compiled [a glossary] and an ven more extensive list included many terms which depict the kind of guys a Jewish mom don't want her son, depending on if he is 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th born, 'cuz they have their life's occupation picked out before they even get a name, to end up being like. The list is quite long in ref to a guy who is an inept schlepp slob of a klutz, among others. The gals don't fare any better, the authoress has her description of the women she don't want her sons draggin' in to the family. To make it concise, a sterotypical Jewish momma.

Now how come a guy with a Jewish name Issac ben Joseph isn't interspersing his folksy based text with equally folksy Yiddish terms is an enigma in itself, I'm telling you already.

In the previous post I intro'd part of what Ike's supposed Jewish pedigree is severely lacking so as to make him come across as if he was bonafide Yiddish. In this post I wanna illustrate how I think Ike's free floating anxiety function kicks in when it comes to makin' assumptions based on links he creates due to a word here, a phrase there.

In the world of antiquity, especially when he started dabbling with angels, Babylon and its fabled hanging gardens. Here is how a modern troubador, singer-song writer type, with a message of sorts would deal with his take on an angel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNhnThb8gEw
I'm gonna pass on the really maudlin' genre triggered off by Teen Angel.

This is part of that general area Abraham of Ur strolled thru...Ike ignored it so far, how come?
http://www.prophecywatch.com/news/assyrian_connection

This is sort of what ike is attempting to do but hasn't managed to pull it off...
http://spiritrestoration.org/Church/Res ... _cults.htm
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/1 ... to-sanity/
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/1 ... -his-mind/

Now back to spin + things. In many cultures, flower symbols cary a multitude of meanings. When Adam + Eve discovered they were naked, if ya go by artistic interps, they are depicted with a paste-on fig leaf. In other cultures of the world really far removed from Ur of Chaldea, a group of sea-daring folk paddled their way around the Pacific and brought their flower-based culture with them.
http://www.hawaiiflowerlei.com/leitradition.aspx

So, in this context its perfectly proper to say, ya know I went to Hawaii and a wahine gave me a free lei as soon as I got off the plane. I sms'd my homey's and said man ya gotta come here, yer guaranteed to get lei'd. Ya see Ike does this sort of sleight of hand as well when he hits upon a word or phrase that fits his agenda, and spins it for all its worth, just like I did with the Hawaii bit.

But, conversely, can a tourist say in return as a sign of gratitude for his free lei, yeah baby, lemme plant a kiss on yer (2-lips )tulips down there. This again is consonant with how Ike presents his material, yes?

Chants
Hawaiian history was oral history. It was codified in genealogies and chants, which were memorized strictly as passed down. In the absence of a written language, this was the only available method of ensuring accuracy. Chants told the stories of creation, mythology, royalty, and other significant events and people.
Instruments and implements
▪ Ipu—single gourd drum
▪ Ipu heke—double gourd drum
▪ Pahu—sharkskin covered drum; considered sacred
▪ Pūniu—small knee drum made of a coconut shell with fish skin (kala) cover
▪ ʻIliʻili—water-worn lava stone used as castanets
▪ ʻUlīʻulī—feathered gourd rattles
▪ Pūʻili—split bamboo sticks
▪ Kālaʻau—rhythm sticks
The dog's-tooth anklets sometimes worn by male dancers can be considered instruments, as they underlined the sounds of stamping feet.

Costumes
Traditional female dancers wore the everyday pāʻū, or wrapped skirt, but were topless. Today this form of dress has been altered. As a sign of lavish display, the pāʻū might be much longer than the usual length of tapa, or barkcloth, which was just long enough to go around the waist. Visitors report seeing dancers swathed in many yards of tapa, enough to increase their circumference substantially. Dancers might also wear decorations such as necklaces, bracelets, and anklets, as well as many lei (in the form of headpieces, necklaces, bracelets, and anklets).
Traditional male dancers wore the everyday malo, or loincloth. Again, they might wear bulky malo made of many yards of tapa. They also wore necklaces, bracelets, anklets, and lei.
The materials for the lei worn in performance were gathered in the forest, after prayers to Laka and the forest gods had been chanted.
The lei and tapa worn for sacred hula were considered imbued with the sacredness of the dance, and were not to be worn after the performance. Lei were typically left on the small altar to Laka found in every hālau, as offerings

Legendary origins
There are various legends surrounding the origins of hula.
According to one Hawaiian legend Laka, goddess of the hula, gave birth to the dance on the island of Molokaʻi, at a sacred place in Kaʻana. After Laka died, her remains were hidden beneath the hill Puʻu Nana.
Another story tells of Hiʻiaka, who danced to appease her fiery sister, the volcano goddess Pele. This story locates the source of the hula on Hawaiʻi, in the Puna district at the Hāʻena shoreline. The ancient hula Ke Haʻa Ala Puna describes this event.
Another story is when Pele, the goddess of fire was trying to find a home for herself running away from her sister Namakaokaha'i (the goddess of the oceans) when she finally found an island where she couldn't be touched by the waves. There at chain of craters on the island of Hawai'i she danced the first dance of hula signifying that she finally won.

I am sure this last part is really gonna make Renne's day. hehehe

This gal is known for sayin' it in her inimitable style....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4rPIjWqMRc
along with that comes additional refrains that have been ad libbed in, like, give it all ya got, don't stop 'til ya drop, etc.

It seems once a particular mojo has been set in motion, its a situation which allows for all sorts of grafting in, just like the New Age 'thang'. For example, how did Ike miss this, with all of his thoro' research he claims.
http://www.bubbygram.com/churchsigns.htm

This is right up Roger's ally, but Ike see's errant clerics doing what they can to capitalize on doing 'God's Work' and yet have absolutley nuthin' top do with the org Opus Dei, yet by Ike's way of spin, even a cult like La Sanch, if it claims to be doin' God's Work, is tarnished as well, yes?...
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1258049769.php

Then ya get this situation which cropped up in the Medieval Period, is it the fault of La Sanch by default, due to the costumes?...they are obviously linked, yes?...
http://www.henrymakow.com/marranos_--_t ... crypt.html

Since I haven't finished reading The Rise, I wonder how Ike will describe this person, if he does at all...
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2009/ ... -favorite-“anti-semite”/

This Medieval dude was quite influential, so where does he factor in?...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guide_for_the_Perplexed

As ya can see, when I read thru The Rise, page by page, trying to see events happening in their actual time line setting, the conclusions Ike draws are strictly his IMHO, and in no way shape or form rep the actual status quo. From what I have read so far, Ike has assembled a narrative that coulsd easily have been entitled...Shit Happens...

BTW, Renne, when ya asked me how to develop a theory. its this easy, just link as ya go, and stay focused. But make sure, what ya link to is relevant to the overall theme.

Jake & Renne...now there's a match needin' to be made!

Sorry Sheila, I am already take. I assume Renne is as well. I know ya most likely mean well, but thanx for the sentiments. I was paying a compliment to Renne's self-proclaimed dancing talents.

If she sez she can get things shakin' + a 'quakin', who am I to say, no she didn't?

BTW, how does that fit in to being tuned into things Yiddish or things La Sanch?

"Mountain Fire like Lava - Tucson" by MJA/Renne.

Thanks for the lessons on being concise Jake, I do tend to ramble on (?).

So how about it Sheila, the nature of the crista - it had power in itself.

It has power that you don't want to mess with Renne.

I hope you mean the "Crista" and not Jake
Regards
Nic

i wouldn't want to tangle with either on a dark night.

Hey Sheila, I re-zemble that remark, hehehe. BTW I'll have ya know I am the consummate Continental gent, yep, I sho' am, I got Russian hands, I got Roman fingers, shall I continue, hehehe

Thank you Sheila, no, I don`t intend to.

It is a Power Object.

Do you think that the "suits" spirited away
any other property of Sauniere`s?

Since I haven't gotten thru readin' The Rise yet, it won't disturb me if ya discuss the entire book's contents. In fact ye'll be doin' me a favor if ya can discuss any positive finds in that ´book. All I get, page after page is IMHOs. It wuld be nice to encounter a fact ya can take to the bank.

So far, since I am now on page 69, Ike has come up with a novel spin of a spin, he sez Sauniere managed to do a hocous-pocus filiocus rite-ritual and voila, he snatched a body out of hell away from satan, by some some unk process that literally made it purified, good as gold. The NO Brainer here is, a soul departs a body at death and only at the 2nd Coming do body + soul re-unite to spend eternity in their designated location.

Sauniere sure as hell can't get a soil out of hell unless he is more powerful than God is. When Ike wrote that I thought, OK, the game's over, how can Sauniere top a blasphemous sacrilege to out class that one. So far not a single mention that all of this mystical death dabblin' is in contravention to the 1st Commandment. By sayin' Sauniere can pull off a stunt only reserved to God now puts Sauniere in a power class with God, that's why I make the ref to the 1st Commandment.

The more I read of the The Rise, the less knowledgeable Ike comes across. I wonder if by the end of the book he will come across like a partially literate 3rd Grader?

jabberwock wrote:

The more I read of the The Rise, the less knowledgeable Ike comes across. I wonder if by the end of the book he will come across like a partially literate 3rd Grader?

Jake,
With the speed you are reading at it would seem that you've only just attained the dizzy heights of the third grade yourself. Are you stopping to colour all the pictures in, too?
TD

Tom, ya see I have a life, a rather busy one at that. I need to steel myself to read that regurgitance alongside of attempting to plow thru harkey-smith's 2nd book and Dan Beige's Templar screed.

I value the stress these books put on my slowly weakening eye balls, I usually fall asleep after attempting 3-4 pages of any of them. They are that appallingly bad to plow thru. I have to limit my exposure to a computer monitor for the same reasons.

This means I apportion my time accordingly. As ya can see the books I mentioned above are my lowest priority. I never watch the boob-tub, 'cuz Swedish telly is so insipid.

BTW, how is my slow paced readin' of The Rise part of what its missin'? This is a typical observation Tom makes, totally irrelevant and way out in the aether zone. Maybe some day Tom will make an observation that mentions the topic under discussion, there is always hope his free floating anxious synapse will meet in his grey jelly and make the appropriate connection.

Ya see Tom that's why I pray for ya, hehehe

But Roger, I don't imbibe, I don't indulge in the hi-octane water of life, When I go to a local pub that has an Irish music session I play the spoons + bones. I doubt there is a judge on the planet more sober than me.

If ya consider me bein' incarcerated in Scandinavia as quailfyin' for the Special Olympics, I agree with ya. The longer ya stay here the more handicapped ya become, hehehe

BTW Roger, are ya hintin' that The Rise lacks a bit of the Irish sense of probity,hehehe

The missus bought me a German medicinal that Germans swear by when they get an upset stomach from eating items that don't settle well in the stomach. I dig leberkase big time, but my stomach knows its limits better than I do.

She got a krauter liqeur made in a cloister on the way to Garmish similar to Chartreuse, but the medicinal is kummel, carroway seed based. She got a pint size bottle 25 years ago. I still have half of it waiting for the next gastric attack, another teaspoonful will go down the hatch.

How many teaspoon fulls are there in a 1/4 pint, Roger?

Speaking of new books, my name finally came up on the library list for Dan Brown`s new book.
You all forgot to mention how typically grisly it is. I think I`m more of a kids` mystery fan.
Anyway, I`ll finish it - I have 3 weeks to read it. Now he has me curious.

jabberwock wrote:

If ya consider me bein' incarcerated in Scandinavia as quailfyin' for the Special Olympics, I agree with ya. The longer ya stay here the more handicapped ya become, hehehe

Jeez Jake,
You must have been there a long time!
I suppose its a state of mind. Whats the line from TCP's favourite song?

" YOU CAN CHECK OUT ANY TIME YOU LIKE BUT YOU CAN NEVER LEAVE"

TD

Must be JÄGERMEISTER.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A4germeister

It only helps the brain. I doubt it helps the stomach.

No Eginolf, it definitely wasn't jagermeister, what I equate with - liquid plunger, if ya over-stuffer yer gut. amareekins know whatliquid plunger is, Italian restaurants give folk sambuca to fulfill this plunger function. I have been to Yugoslavian trestaurants where they offer slivowicz to plunge yer gut.

BTW, Tom, I am convinced Don Henley has been to Scandinavia and had to experience it 1st hand to be able to pen those immortal words. Its one thing imagining how events may turn out, the proof is in the pudding, as the saying goes. Don got a taste of the down side of Scandinavia, just like Micheal Moore did in his Sicko take.

Here in Sweden they go thru an annual routine of not only indulging in their favorite political passion, namely doing their bureaucratic switch, with their thumbs a flying, they rearrange the chairs of the Titanic when they tinker with the health care system to see how many more folks they can triage out of the waiting queue and switch them over to a mortician's expectancy list.

This fine tune tinkering is known as playing God with people's lives, which violates the 1st Commandment,yes?