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 Post subject: a problem of evil...
PostPosted: 21 Nov 2009 7:53 pm 
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The notion of evil is a very nebulous topic on the forum. It takes many forms, it has 1,000s of ways of being spun. Here are just a few from a casual look at what happens on any given day...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/dpgo-11 ... 8677855869

http://www.cichw.net/ghel1.html
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2690
http://www.henrymakow.com/001878.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 15479.html
http://www.henrymakow.com/jewish_comic_ ... lions.html
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=11495
http://www.infowars.net/articles/octobe ... 9Salon.htm
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-lRPmkf ... ist_pt1_7/
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/wo ... 5764189.jp
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... edges.html

Politics as biz as usual...
http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.g ... tID=153583
http://masonfitup.blogspot.com/2009/11/ ... sonic.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091115/ap_ ... le_de_jour
http://americanbuilt.us/videos/martial-law.shtml
http://www.rense.com/general88/dissi.htm
http://uruknet.info/index.php?p=m60117&hd=&size=1&l=e
http://www.rense.com/general88/mandi.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009 ... ibery-bill
http://www.rense.com/general88/cap.htm

and of course , I save the best for last, hehehe...
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/11/19 ... in-the-uk/

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 Post subject: Re: a problem of evil...
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Tell me... is what you seem to think of as a "sense of humour" proving wildly popular among your scandinavian acquaintances? :roll:[/quote]

No doubt with that 'wannabe Oirishness', the verbosity and that wild eyed judgement day glint in his eye he will be what passes for exotic colour at most swedish Soirées.
At the average suburban Stockholm Fondue party he will be impossibly cosmopolitan! :roll:
I bet they melt away when the fire and Brimstone bible thumping starts. Even at 'Paddy O'Reillys Bar and Grill' no one will mention the Apocalypse for fear of being button holed for hours. :lol:
Can you imagine the unalloyed joy that runs through that earnest young librarian when he sees Jake heading purposely towards the enquiries desk? :oops:
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 Post subject: Re: a problem of evil...
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I would say the main cause of evil is a lack of empathy, a lack of concern for the feeling and suffering of others, a lack of the ability to realize the human dignity and decency in all people.

I don't know if I believe in evil as a metaphysical force independent of human beings. I think most human evil, though, comes about when we fail to see the humanity in others who are different from us.

I'm jocular about many things, but unlike our jabberwock, I don't think suffering is something to joke about. Nor the monstrosities that human beings are capable of visiting on other human beings.

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I would say the main cause of evil is a lack of empathy, a lack of concern for the feeling and suffering of others, a lack of the ability to realize the human dignity and decency in all people.

I don't know if I believe in evil as a metaphysical force independent of human beings. I think most human evil, though, comes about when we fail to see the humanity in others who are different from us.

I'm jocular about many things, but unlike our jabberwock, I don't think suffering is something to joke about. Nor the monstrosities that human beings are capable of visiting on other human beings.


Who was it that said that;
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" ?

However if I understood Jakes meandering thoughts earlier, No one is responsible and over worked underpaid priests should be cut a little slack.
Evil committed by those in authority is relative.
Apparently evil is no match for the effcacious nature of few mumbled 'Hail Marys' :roll:

"For a pocket full of mumbles such are promises
All lies and jests still a man hears what he wants to hear
and disregards the rest."

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 Post subject: Re: a problem of evil...
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Carl Jung, in his book Answer to Job and elsewhere, depicted evil as the "dark side of God". People tend to believe evil is something external to them, because they project their shadow onto others. But from a psychological point of view to be evil is to refuse to acknowledge the weaknesses in one's own personality.[citation needed] Jung interpreted the story of Jesus as an account of God facing his own shadow.[3]

I love how Job teaches God something complete Trust and Faith
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 Post subject: Re: a problem of evil...
PostPosted: 22 Nov 2009 3:12 am 
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Youz guyz are getting close, but alas, no cigar. I tell ya why. In any situation that ya gotta make a choice, as ye olde sayin' goes, ya got a devil whisperín' in 1 ear temptin' the hell out of ya, in the other is an angel prayin' for the fate of yer soul in the event ya join forces with the devil.

If the situation involves malice aforethought, the angel's job is doubly much harder than the devil's, yes? In these dichotomous situations, the amount or lack of morals + ethics yer inculcated with makes all the difference in the world yes? What's the common defense refrain?-- the devil MADE me do it, yeah sure--- he jabbed ya incessantly with his red hot pitch fork.

Since Tom D is in the midst of that fantabulous, if if feels good - do it, ley it all hang out kultcha of yobs + sods, louts + ladettes he encounters on a weekend in anytown, UK, what are the chances he is gonna encounter punctilious admirable Boy Scout behavior from them CHAV's? Who is gonna inculcate this admirable, punctilious Boy Scout behavior if there are no role models?

For non-evil behavior to occur, these 'worthless eaters', as Felix D( any relation to Tom D?) ref'd to the socialist proles of Russia, there has to be an intact functioning source of education that re-inforced these concepts. The morass of UK politics sure as hell ain't a paragon of moral-ethical virtue, when the MPs are caught stuffin' their pockets with fraudulent expense claims.

So in the case of the UK, since the State Church has been marginalized, by default evil reigns supreme, and non evil only exists in isolated groups of rebellious folk who don't wanna go with the flow. Most likely, 'mongst followers of Islam ya have more instances of non-evil than evil, as a way of life.

Good occurs only in the absence of evil as the Thomaic concept goes, yes? 'cuz the reverse is, evil only occurs in the absence of good. The 2 Commandments Jesus said that replaces the original 10, are that ya love Jesus with al yer might, AND love yer neighbor as yerself. If yer concerned with yer neighbor's well being, how can ya be plannin' to do him in on a Friday night at the local pub in a drunken melee as a result of yer footies team losin' and his wins?

I am surprised loyal Irish soccer fans didn't go over to france and level the place due to typical gallic sportsmanship. That shows ya how civilized the Irish are. When a large group of UK football hooligans came here to Sweden to watch a crucial playoff match and the UK lot lost, these worthless parasites, (strange, in that they ain't French) decided to go berserk, well they forgot 1 thing, there were an equal number of Swedish welfare ho's abusin' the system like the UK hooligans on the dole, and what a brawl it was, it actually followed the main road leadin' from the soccer stadium to the harbor where the UK'ies were herded on to ferries, then escorted across Danmark to catch the UK ferry.

The UK'ies were so drunk, as a local reporter noticed they didn't know how badly they were mauled 'til they finally sobered up in the UK and flooded the NHS, which is what Swedish + Danish police were countin' on. This lil' digression is to illustrate that when evil erupts, quite an equally evil reaction sets in, as in the case of this brawl. neither side were 'good' in their behavior, yes?

So, if ya think I am being irreverent with my gallows humor take on the foibles of human nature, what else can ya expect? People wouldn't be people if they didn't behave like humans, yes? After the Fall of Adam, we all fell with him into the lap of a waiting devil. So as ya can see, its an up hill battle to not succumb to evil, which, for some folks is the only way they react, 'cuz a non-evil way of reacting was never part of their food chain, that goes all the way to the top.

BTW, Tom D, is amazing how ya can't comprehend 2 + 2, and come up with the same answer 3 times in a row, Ya remind me of every politician I ever encountered in life. Ya said something incredibly stupid again, and it goes like this...However if I understood Jakes meandering thoughts earlier, No one is responsible and over worked underpaid priests should be cut a little slack.
Evil committed by those in authority is relative.
Apparently evil is no match for the effcacious nature of few mumbled 'Hail Mary.

Since when should a priest who is un-worthy of holding that office be cut slack?. If he did something that can be prosecuted in a civil court of law so be it. It seems Tom D ya forgot the expression, let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone... do ya think yer exempt 'cuz yer an atheist?

I already mentioned the multitude of evils being perp'd by the powers that be, and the sheeple of the world allow it to happen, yes? I also said, they will get judged, they don't escape that fate.

The supercilious statement of calling a few mumbled Hail Mary's a wasted futile exercise 'cuz it don't eliminate evil in the world only proves how much of a dim wit ya really are. The purpose of prayer is to petition Jesus + Mary to mitigate the inevitable damnation evil in the world causes. Without the presence of prayer to act as a State of Grace shield for mankind, there'd be an overcrowding situation in hell.

My stance has been is to mirror the foibles of mankind and let folk know they ain't gettin' away with anything when they act in a evil manner, which is what sin is, since it is a transgression against God's laws. Folk who laugh off these moral guidelines do so willingly knowing they are headed straight for hell, and the prayerful folk on the planet can only pray for mitigation of the punishment those souls will endure.

So, what's wrong with that take, Tom D?

BTW louvian ya force me to pray extra hard for ya, but I think in the long run yer worth the effort, even tho' yer last response tells me otherwise. May God, truly have pity + mercy on yer soul.

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 Post subject: Re: a problem of evil...
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BTW louvian ya force me to pray extra hard for ya, but I think in the long run yer worth the effort, even tho' yer last response tells me otherwise. May God, truly have pity + mercy on yer soul.


That's the same thing the Inquisition told Joan of Arc when they burned her at the stake
Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

I'll pray for you too :mrgreen:

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Can anyone help me with a biblical reference?

I think it was part of a parable and went something like:

"Beware of practising your piety before men that you may be seen by them".........

Or something like that.
Anyone remember where this most apposite piece of advice comes from ?
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PostPosted: 22 Nov 2009 6:28 pm 
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MATTHEW 5 - 7
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled by the Holy Spirit.

Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you.

You are the salt of the earth; but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trodden under foot by men.

You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hid. Nor do men light a lamp and put it under a bushel, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

You have heard that it was said to the men of old, 'You shall not kill; and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment.' But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire. So if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.

Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison; truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny.

You have heard that it was said 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

It was also said, 'Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.' But I say to you that every one who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity, makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Again you have heard that it was said to the men of old, 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the LORD what you have sworn.' But I say to you, Do not swear at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. Let what you say be simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything more than this comes from evil.

You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you.

You have heard that it was said 'You shall love your neighbour and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you salute only your brethren, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Beware of practising your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.

Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have their reward. But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; they they think that they will be heard for their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

Pray then like this:

Our Father who are in heaven, Hallowed by they name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread; And forgive us our debts, As we also have forgiven our debtors; And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil.

For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

And when you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have their reward. But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, that your fasting may not be seen by men but by your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is single (= single for the glory of GOD), your whole body will be full of light; but if your eye is evil, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!

No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you shall eat or what you shall drink, nor about your body, what you shall put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air; they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And which of you by being anxious can add one cubit to his span of life? And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they neither toil nor spin; yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O men of little faith? Therefore do not be anxious, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' For the Gentiles seek all these things; and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all.

But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things shall be yours as well.

Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day.

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for a loaf, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him?

So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.

Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits.

Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.'

Every one then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house upon the rock; and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat upon that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And every one who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell; and great was the fall of it.


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Don't have much time to post at the moment because lambing is in full swing but to my mind evil is something as simple as people (who i tend to dislike anyway)...people who run over these little guys and think it's funny....

....and people who let animals like this go up for slaughter in the hellish slaughter houses in italy...this is Castagne before & after .......i paid 800 euros meat price to save him & rehomed him a year later to this wonderful young woman for half the amount....it's not profit that's imprtant, it's saving lives.

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This is Pablo Honey our Spanish boy the day he was rescued from the dreaded meat lorry, he's still with us..he's not for sale, here is how he was, how he is now and this summer beside our lake.

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Sheila they are lovely pictures and i agree with you whole heartedly x x


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Thank you Sandy ! :)

bergeredearcadie wrote:
MATTHEW 5 - 7

[b]Beware of practising your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.


And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

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'Nuff said, I think.
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BTW Sheila,
Thanks for that, I'm now trying to explain to two young ladies why I cannot wrap up warm and go out with my torch to find baby hedgehogs! :lol:
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that hedgehog is so cute Sheila
and beautiful pictures
Thanks

I agree Sheila
CRUELTY to ALL living creatures
is very evil
Enjoying being mean and cruel to all living creatures is a terrible evil

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I think evil, is doing wrong... knowing you are doing wrong....and deliberately doing wrong and revelling in it..... wrong meaning against the law of nature not man-made laws btw.


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Sheila, ya just insulted every Jew on th planet, 'cuz the Talmud + the Oral Tradition they abide by is 100% man-made law. If ya break any legal man made statute called civil law, ya go to jail for breakin' them, yes?

Natural law has its place in the ecological scheme of things. Unfortunately mankind is also part + parcel of this 'nature', and since mankind can do all sorts of nasties on Ma Mature. Gaia, etc, with things like nukes based on so-called natural phenomenon, but rather well enhanced, but then again, that's why the world's ecology is so fucked-up, yes?

I can read yer take to mean, its better there were no mankind species on earth to despoil nature, yes? Who knows if apes will do a huge leap forward and, hehehe, 'ape' the mankind species it replaced. The planet of the apes will become this world ya just envisioned, yes?

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Sheila, ya just insulted every Jew on th planet, 'cuz the Talmud + the Oral Tradition they abide by is 100% man-made law.


Tough...get over yourselves!


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Sheila, ya just insulted every Jew on th planet, 'cuz the Talmud + the Oral Tradition they abide by is 100% man-made law. If ya break any legal man made statute called civil law, ya go to jail for breakin' them, yes?

Natural law has its place in the ecological scheme of things. Unfortunately mankind is also part + parcel of this 'nature', and since mankind can do all sorts of nasties on Ma Mature. Gaia, etc, with things like nukes based on so-called natural phenomenon, but rather well enhanced, but then again, that's why the world's ecology is so fucked-up, yes?

I can read yer take to mean, its better there were no mankind species on earth to despoil nature, yes? Who knows if apes will do a huge leap forward and, hehehe, 'ape' the mankind species it replaced. The planet of the apes will become this world ya just envisioned, yes?


Or as Nietszche put it: "Human, all too Human".


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Enjoying being mean and cruel to all living creatures is a terrible evil


And the culprits need their heads examined...and a hefty boot in the wotsits !


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Sheila, ya just insulted every Jew on th planet, 'cuz the Talmud + the Oral Tradition they abide by is 100% man-made law.


*sigh*.

All laws are manmade jake, even the ones people put in the lips of their gods.

EDIT to add: in a secular society, humans should make laws for all human beings, of all faiths, or none, to live by. I do believe respect for nature must be part of that. But in the end, nature cannot make its own laws (I mean, besides gravity and those of physics), we have to make ones to make other human beings abide by.

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Don't have much time to post at the moment because lambing is in full swing but to my mind evil is something as simple as people (who i tend to dislike anyway)...people who run over these little guys and think it's funny....

....and people who let animals like this go up for slaughter in the hellish slaughter houses in italy...this is Castagne before & after .......i paid 800 euros meat price to save him & rehomed him a year later to this wonderful young woman for half the amount....it's not profit that's imprtant, it's saving lives.
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This is Pablo Honey our Spanish boy the day he was rescued from the dreaded meat lorry, he's still with us..he's not for sale, here is how he was, how he is now and this summer beside our lake.
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My faith in humankind was restored a bit in reading this - I am going to show my girls tomorrow so they can hear about a kind and selfless heart :D
Thank you!


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Thank you everyone, my apologies for diverting the thread a bit off course....i tend to get a bit emotionally drained at lambing time....and my hormones start kicking in. :D


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I know what you mean, Sheila. I felt something like that when my hungarian "Zackel" sheep were lambing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racka
... and when the males get on my nerves I take them by the horns and put it into the soil. :lol:


Back to thread: evil is only men.
There exists no personified devil as Socrates stated. And I'm very happy about this.


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I think we reached an interesting concensus here regarding the culpability of mankind, that includes fems also Sheila. However there is 1 glaring exception to this rule and HE stands in the middle of the RLC enigma, and even The Rise.

Jesus is God transformed into man for our benefit, yes? HE was promised as the meek+ humble savior to the Hebrews, who got demised 'cuz HE didn't come as the Conquering King as the Pharisees demanded.

It seems Jesus has HIS own time table and is patiently waiting for mankind to gets its evil act together. HE surrendered HIS human form for mankind and only Christians have taken HIS message to heart. IMHO, all that Jesus imparted as the basis of the Laws, customs, traditions of Christianity have been manipulated by evil minded folk who managed to penetrate the Curia in the Vatican. Talmudic gnostics managed 20 times over 2,000 years to become Popes.

They were not able to corrupt the entire 'Church', but definitely have sown seeds for pockets of corruption to exist, ya know the deal, the occasional pedophile scandal, Bishops like Marcinkus cookin' the books, etc. This don't change the edifice Jesus said will survive 'til the end of time. regardless of how relentless the forces of evil attack it.

Jews are fortunate in that they have been given God granted assurances they too will come around to accept Jesus as their Messiah as a Conquering King, but the timing of HIS coming is not of the Jews demands but of HIS divine plan laid out in the Apocalypse. This means a small Jewish remnant will be available to re-populate the Millenium Period on earth, then its all over in a reverse big bang.

Evil will be conquered at that moment, 'cuz jesus will also reign earth in the midst of these remnant Jews. Seeker could possibly be 1 of these remnant if he does a converso in Israel at Armageddon time. Jews outside of Israel will be demised like Christians who refuse to take the mark of AntiC.

Islamics who see the error of their ways when they relegated Jesus to a lesser prophet status than Mohammed and also become conversos, 1 billion of them will perish once they take the mark of the beast.

BTW as seen coming from Israel...
http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerr ... .asp?a=817

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The evils of intolerance have been the cause of much of the world's suffering and continue to be so.

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Interesting what ya say Nicole AND then? ...ya must have had some cogent point in mind to share, yes?

BTW, is this, perhaps what ya had in mind?...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7xPKdmW ... tube_gdata

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